| rhyeking 17.03.2011 16:24 |
So, with the Deluxe Editions adding some, but not all, of the BBC recordings to the bonus discs, we're still left with a few officially unreleased tracks from those six sessions. Released: 1st BBC Session (Feb 5th, 1973) My Fairy King Keep Yourself Alive Doing Alright Liar On "Queen At The Beeb" (UK) & "Queen At The BBC" (US) Also, "Keep Yourself Alive" on the "Crown Jewels" promo CD single Also, "My Fairy King," "Doing Alright" and "Liar" on the "Let Me Live" CD single 2nd BBC Session (July 25th, 1973) See What A Fool I've Been On "Queen II" Deluxe Edition bonus disc 3rd BBC Session (Dec. 3rd, 1973) Ogre Battle (Edit) Great King Rat Modern Times Rock And Roll Son And Daughter On "Queen At The Beeb" (UK) & "Queen At The BBC" (US) 4th BBC Session (April 3rd, 1973) Nevermore On "Queen II" Deluxe Edition bonus disc 5th BBC Session Flick Of the Wrist Tenement Funster On "Sheer Heart Attack" Deluxe Edition bonus disc 6th BBC Session We Will Rock You (Fast Version) On The Sun promo CD single Which leaves the following still sitting in the vault, listed by song and session: Liar (BBC #2) Keep Yourself Alive (BBC #2) Son And Daughter (BBC #2) Ogre Battle (BBC #3) (Complete Version - Presumed damaged?) Modern Times Rock And Roll (BBC #4) The March Of The Black Queen (BBC #4) (has it been confirmed that they used the album version here?) White Queen (As It Began) (BBC #4) (**Post Edited, thanks SirGH**) Stone Cold Crazy (BBC #5) Now I'm Here (BBC #5) And it's still possible some or all of the 6th Session, with the NOTW tracks, will appear on the Deluxe Ed. of that album. Thoughts? |
| Pim Derks 17.03.2011 16:39 |
I think it's a disgrace that these recordings still have not been compiled in a 2-disc package. |
| Dr Zoidberg 17.03.2011 17:23 |
I dunno that I'd go so far as to use the word "disgrace" but I definitely agree that no complete Queen BBC sessions before now is pretty baffling. |
| The Real Wizard 17.03.2011 17:48 |
You should add White Queen from session 4 to the list of BBC songs not yet released. If they put out even two of the four 1977 tracks, one of which is Spread Your Wings, then I'd say they will have done good. Has any band released their complete BBC sessions? Zeppelin and The Beatles certainly haven't. So I'm not sure why anyone should feel entitled to have them all .. especially since all of the tracks are already available unofficially. We're really quite lucky to have them. |
| rhyeking 17.03.2011 18:14 |
Oops, missed that track. Thanks, Sir GH. I fixed the post just now. I think what bugs fans about Queen not yet issuing all their BBC tracks is that compared to, say, The Beatles, who had a crapload and a lot of the same songs over and over, Queen had exactly 24 (or 23, if you exclude "Black Queen," assuming it's the Album Version edited). That's not really a lot and would easily fill up 2 discs. I'm happy a single disc was released, but the completist in me will always want, well, the complete set. Yes, I have good quality bootlegs, but I've always been willing to pay for official material, particularly if its an improvement over the 2nd or 3rd generation fileshares. And to keep this in perspective, I'm not one those fans driven to frustration by what QPL hasn't released. These things don't keep me up nights. I regard most unreleased material as "It would be nice if they released it. Maybe someday..." :-) |
| Ray D O'Gaga 17.03.2011 20:19 |
I certainly don't feel "entitled" to anything but as the previous poster remarked, with a third of them already released and with only a couple of dozen tracks extant, slapping them all on a couple of CDs and releasing them seems like a no-brainer. Its not like the interest isn't there. But I don't think that shows an entitlement mentality toward the band's material, and its nowhere near the people who seem to have actually become embittered toward the band and its corporate identity because they haven't released a slew of rare and previously unreleased material. I have a life and I certainly don't stew in my own juices, dwelling on how awful it is that something or other hasn't be released. I don't get wound up over things I have no control over. |
| pittrek 18.03.2011 01:59 |
Did anybody of you ever compare all the existing releases of the official tracks ? I am trying to compile a new BBC compilation from the best available sources |
| cmi 18.03.2011 05:19 |
pittrek wrote: Did anybody of you ever compare all the existing releases of the official tracks ? I am trying to compile a new BBC compilation from the best available sources Pittrek, can you share the original 'bad quality' full-lenght (with guitar intro) version of Ogre Battle from Session 3 that you used to create your own mix of this track? Thank you. |
| pittrek 18.03.2011 05:24 |
I'm sorry, I don't think I have it anymore :-( I can try to find it but I can't guarantee it |
| GinjaNinja 18.03.2011 10:52 |
The session 5 tracks certainly sounded better, and some of the vocal lines are now more clearly audible in Nevermore. On the original share some of them sounded like the vocal had been lowered at that point. There is still quite a lot of hiss on Nevermore though. The BBC Version of SWAFIB sounds FANTASTIC, but it uses different vocals at some points so both should be included. |
| rhyeking 18.03.2011 11:15 |
So, there are now two different mixes of the BBC Version of "See What A Fool I've Been"? I agree that if the differences are significant, it's worth distinguishing between the two. "See What A Fool I've Been (Original BBC Version)" & "See What A Fool I've Been (BBC Version - 2011 Mix)" Or something to that effect. Man, I can't wait to get these discs! |
| Soundfreak 18.03.2011 11:21 |
It seems that "See what a Fool I've been" is also one of those studio recordings turned into a so called "BBC Session". Cause from real BBC-sessions there are usually no multi-tracks existing that allow a remix. |
| rhyeking 18.03.2011 11:35 |
There would have to be multi-tracks, as the recording sessions weren't as straightforward as "go in, play the song, record it, finished." There are multiple guitar tracks and multiple vocals, which must have been put down on a 24 track tape. They wouldn't do the harmony overdubs straight onto the master, for example. I think, back when The Beatles did their BBC sessions, it probably was a case of play a few takes, then call it done, but doubt that happened with Queen. The songs are still a bit more complicated than that. And in the early days, they were still trying to put their best foot forward to the public, as this was publicity for them, so they'd take care to make the finished product as good as they could achieve, having one day to record a few songs each time. Not having heard the Deluxe Edition tracks, I can't comment on what they sound like, so I can't really comment beyond that. This is just my educated guess. |
| Wilki Amieva 18.03.2011 14:39 |
Exactly. That's why it's NOT called LIVE at the BBC. The new remix of See What A Fool I've Been uses some of the 2nd. vocal take unveiled by Brian in his site some years ago. By the way, the full We Will Rock You is released in THE BEST OF... THE KING BISCUIT FLOWER HOUR CD. |
| pittrek 18.03.2011 14:52 |
So there ARE new vocals on SWAFIB ? I didn't notice anything strange. I guess I'm getting deaf :-) |
| The Real Wizard 18.03.2011 16:27 |
Wilki Amieva wrote: The new remix of See What A Fool I've Been uses some of the 2nd. vocal take unveiled by Brian in his site some years ago. ======================= He actually posted the song, or just mentioned it? What exactly did he say? |
| Penetration_Guru 18.03.2011 17:46 |
I'd like to propose two additions to this list. 1. Now I'm Here (Top Of The Pops version) 2. Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy (Top Of The Pops version) Both were re-recorded for the BBC, ergo they are "BBC tracks" |
| GinjaNinja 18.03.2011 18:05 |
Wasn't Seven Seas Of Rhye also re-recorded? Or at least remixed? Also, would the original TOTP video version of We Are The Champions qualify? I seem to remember it included an alternate guitar part at the end. Here's what Brian said about the SWAFIB multitrack: "Well, the good hot news is we DID find the original BBC one-inch 8 track of the song. I thought I remembered carrying it out of the door one night !!! It's exciting because it HAD got neglected because it didn't have a BBC label on it ... it must have been a tape we brought in ... or someone else did ...So soon we can get to grips with this little piece of history. It will be a nice opportunity for me to give credit to the guys who did the song which inspired mine ... Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee. It was only recently that a friend (made on this website) helped me to find this original track ... We'll convert it into a nice Protools file and get to work!! It's interesting that we also found a BBC stereo mix of the track from the original session and it DOES have a "straight" vocal on it .... curiouser and curiouser ... Of course all versions will have some interest. ..more later.Love bri" |
| rhyeking 18.03.2011 18:18 |
I see your point, but I have those classified in my collection as Top Of The Pops versions. Feel free to add them to your list. Maybe I'm compartmentalizing a bit too much, but when I think BBC recordings, in this context, I'm thinking of those recorded for radio broadcast on shows like John Peel or Janice Long. Other artists who's BBC recordings I own tend to record 3 or 4 song per session, maybe some interview snippets and I tended to organize them by session, which generally a single date. The TOTP recordings, for me, are slightly different. They're a single song performances done for television, to promote the current single (like a music video) not to showcase the band in a wider context. The radio sessions are more involved, with 15 or 20 minutes of music, designed to give a rounded view of the artists' work, where a single TV appearance, whether on the BBC or Saturday Night Live or the Tonight Show, as I perceive it, is somewhat more flash in the pan publicity, mainly because TV is a visual medium. On the radio, the listen has to think about the music alone. Yes, they're worth cataloging too, but I plan to keep them separate. |
| rhyeking 18.03.2011 21:19 |
I just compared the BBC Versions against the album versions again and I don't believe certain BBC Versions, in fact, use the album masters. Listening carefully, their are significant differences in the actual performances, though some are very, very close in performance to the album recordings, particular Session 1. Here's what I believe, based on what I hear, is present in the BBC Recordings: Session #1 My Fairy King - new recording Keep Yourself Alive - new recording Doing Alright - new recording Liar - new recording Session #2 See What A Fool I've Been - new recording Liar - Session 1 backing with new vocals, possibly some new instrumentation in places Son And Daughter - new recording Keep Yourself Alive - Session 1 backing with new vocals Session #3 Ogre Battle - new recording Great King Rat - new recording Modern Times Rock And Roll - new recording Son And Daughter - new recording Session 4 Modern Times Rock And Roll - new recording The March Of The Black Queen - Album Edit, no new material Nevermore - new recording White Queen (As It Began) - new recording Session 5 Now I'm Here - album backing with new vocals and guitar Stone Cold Crazy - album backing with new vocals and guitar Flick Of The Wrist - album backing with new vocals and guitar Tenement Funster - album backing with new vocals and guitar Session 6 Spread Your Wings - new recording It's Late - new recording My Melancholy Blues - new recording We Will Rock You - "Stomp, Stomp, Clap" album backing, otherwise new recording I'm sure someone with, perhaps, a better ear might correct me, but I gave it a fair amount of attention for each and this is honestly what I'm hearing. I'm interested, as always, in the truth, so if the album tracks were being used, I'd be among the first to want to know. |
| Soundfreak 19.03.2011 05:42 |
Don't be fooled by the fact, that some of those BBC versions play on bootlegs etc. with slightly different speed. You can easily sync most of the early session songs with the regular versions. Then you can easily hear what they have in common and what is different. "Keep yourself alive" for example is always the same backing. Same with "Liar". You could never do that with the "true" sessions that brought tracks like "Ogre Battle" and "White Queen" which also have the typical dry BBC-sound. And very little overdubbing. It was common practice in the late 60s/ early 70s that bands would send alternate mixes of their studio recordings to the BBC instead of really recording there. There are dozens of examples and there are even shows existing, when the radio host announces a "BBC live version" of a well known track and then you hear a slight remix with just removed strings or a different lead vocal. Never forget that the reason behind these recordings had no artistic background, it was a union issue. Radio stations in those days were only allowed to play a certain amount of records, the so called "needle time". If they wanted to play more of the new artists they had to invite them to the station to play live or record there. The unions idea was to keep musicians employed instead of being replaced by records. But those bands who had little time sent tapes with remixes instead and everyone pretended that it was a BBC Session..... I have a nice collection of BBC sessions from the 60s and 70s and believe me, you can really and quite easily identify what has been recorded there. |
| pittrek 19.03.2011 07:28 |
Soundfreak - a little off-topic question - can you write which 70's BBC sessions you have ? |
| Soundfreak 19.03.2011 09:06 |
@ pittrek I'm not good in doing lists. In terms of BBC studio recordings from the 70s I have mainly collected T.Rex, Sweet, Slade, Sparks, Bowie, plus lots of "single" tracks from bands like Roxy Music, Jethro Tull, Free and many more. |
| rhyeking 19.03.2011 10:15 |
Hi Soundfreak, I'm not sure if you last post was addressing my list or was speaking generally. If you're were responding to mine, then I assure you I was listening closely to the performance. The instrumentation sounds different in key places. A few quick examples: Keep Yourself Alive, BBC #1, has the percussion tapping, marking time, coming in at 7 seconds. The album version has it come in at 14 seconds. BBC #2 has it come in at 7 seconds. Along with other details of the performance, it sounds like they re-used the BBC #1 backing track for the BBC #2 recording. For Liar, the BBC #1 recording has much softer drums, and it's not just a mix thing. The performance has a lighter, less heavy presence compared to the album version. BBC #2 has the same light feel and to my ear is the same performance as the BBC #1 recording, meaning they used that backing track as well. On Liar, BBC #1, the drum hit at 1:37 is flat and has almost presence. On the album version, at 1:37, the drum hit is louder, heavier and has a difference sonic quality to it. On BBC #2, the hit at 1:38 sounds identical to the BBC #1 recording. The extra second on this recording comes from 1 second of silence at the beginning of my copy, it may differ on other people's copies. Anyway, those are just a couple examples of what I'm hearing and what I think. |
| strangefrontier 19.03.2011 13:21 |
Due to time and facilities available at Langham / Maida Vale studios, the BBC sessions were essentially short cuts, started off with album backing tracks / work in progress and over dubbed with vocals and guitar here and there...a mixture of stuff recorded in Trident and the BBC studio.Typically one or two tracks would be done live, with the compromise being adopted for the others. The NOTW sessions is the exception to this rule. See What A Fool I've Been from session 2 was the most unique recording from the sessions in that it was recorded entirely at Langham studios, and then taken back to trident to be remixed from the 8 track master. Two lead vocals were recorded, the straight BBC session version and the spoof SSOR 'B' side style version. Has anyone mentioned yet that all the sessions were originally planned for release by QPL as indicated on the Let Me Live 'red' CD2 release which states 'taken from the forthcoming album, Queen at the BBC'. Dean |
| rhyeking 20.03.2011 15:04 |
The Queen At The BBC release referred to was the US re-issue of the Queen At The Beeb, issued by Band Of Joy Records in the UK in 1989. Queen At The BBC was released in 1995 in the US by Hollywood Records. The album artwork advertised for Queen At The BBC on the "Let Me Live" single is that of the Hollywood Records release. And judging by my own study of the BBC tracks, more were original recordings than one or two per session. As noted in my list, the only tracks to re-use material were Session 2's KYA and Liar, Session 4's entire "Black Queen," Session 5's entire backing tracks and the "Stomp, Stomp, Clap," of WWRY on Session 6 (and the spoken-word quote between the slow and the fast segments, but that wasn't from Queen). The rest are original recordings, near as I can hear. |
| strangefrontier 20.03.2011 18:47 |
rhyeking you are correct with the US BBC disc...I was completely forgetting it's release date...but it's still strange to promote it's release on a uk cd single! Regarding what I said earlier, this was actually what Brian had said in an article in Record Collector regarding the BBC sessions etc. I know he can get confused with details at times and that we can pick out obvious new recodings / vocal over dubs etc which blow his comments out the water somewhat!! Link to the article form June 2001 from the excellent QUEENCUTTINGS link |
| tero! 48531 20.03.2011 23:04 |
I seriously doubt that Let Me Live would have been advertising the US-only release of the same old BBC album... Sure it's got the same name, but it was hardly a "forthcoming" release when it had appeared more than a year before the single. |
| Soundfreak 21.03.2011 05:44 |
And judging by my own study of the BBC tracks, more were original recordings than one or two per session. As noted in my list, the only tracks to re-use material were Session 2's KYA and Liar, Session 4's entire "Black Queen," Session 5's entire backing tracks and the "Stomp, Stomp, Clap," of WWRY on Session 6 (and the spoken-word quote between the slow and the fast segments, but that wasn't from Queen). The rest are original recordings, near as I can hear. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< You are trying to re-write history, sorry to say, but you are hearing wrong. They used the original backing tracks, which in case of Faiy King even have an edit, but they are the same. Apart from the obvious differences they could never play new backing tracks at the BBC, that were 100% in sync with their studio recordings and even sound the same.... I don't know if you have audio programms like magix or audacity with multitrack possibilites, but if you put the tracks into it and adjust the pitch then it's obvious..audible...visible.....it's a fact. |
| rhyeking 21.03.2011 07:42 |
I'm not trying to re-write history. As I said from the very beginning, it's what I hear *and* I'm open to others' thoughts on the matter. As a matter of fact, I have used Audacity, both here and in other analyses. But I never claimed my opinion was the end all and be all. How do you account for obvious differences in performance in what is, by your analysis, the backing tracks from the album. These differences I'm alluding to aren't a result of simple pitch changes. Instruments and elements are present in one and not the other. The sonic quality of the instrumentation differs, indicating a different recording. Like I said earlier, I'm hearing details which tell me something different from what they may tell others. That's what we're to discuss. Saying I'm wrong is a matter for debate. Saying that my intention is to mislead others is inaccurate and insulting. |
| Soundfreak 21.03.2011 08:04 |
Saying that my intention is to mislead others is inaccurate and insulting. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< No one ever said so and I can't see any insult here at all. I simply told you how to find out about the use of backing tracks. You simply need a digital multitracker. And it's not only me, who has found about that. To me it was also a surprise once I did that many years ago. Especially in the case of "My fairy King". |
| rhyeking 21.03.2011 08:48 |
It was the "rewriting history" statement I took exception to. Anyway, moving on... I used Audacity to adjust the speed to try to match it to album version of MFK and and I still find it a difference performance, even with timing similarities now accounted for. I've used your methods and am still coming to a different conclusion. And it's not stubbornness on my part, I know that. If it were the album backing track, I'd want to know! I was startled when I finally got the Session 5 tracks and noticed they used the SHA backings. I'm open to the possibility that I may be wrong or there may be another explanation, but spending the last few days going over these tracks still finds me with the same result. I'll revisit them with a fresh perspective in the future and we'll see. I may pick up something I didn't notice before. I would like say that I think I'm pretty good at noticing these details. Song versions and variations tend to be my focus in Queen collecting. A lot of my posts on these forums revolve around alternate versions, remixes, edits, etc. Last night was spent comparing the original mix and the 2011 mix of "See What A Fool I've Been" and I found there is indeed a single alternate take used in part of the song. I adjusted for speed in Audacity, matched the backing track and found that the "Caught a train...A train to Georgia" lyric was changed to "I caught a traaaaaain...A train to Geogia". The first part of that lyric, with the drawn out "train" and "I caught" (instead of just "caught") appears to be an alternate vocal take. The complete "I caught a traaaaaiin..." is new. The "Georgia" part is the same. So now we have two distinct versions of that BBC recording. |
| Makka 21.03.2011 09:07 |
GinjaNinja wrote: Wasn't Seven Seas Of Rhye also re-recorded? Or at least remixed? Also, would the original TOTP video version of We Are The Champions qualify? I seem to remember it included an alternate guitar part at the end. Here's what Brian said about the SWAFIB multitrack: "Well, the good hot news is we DID find the original BBC one-inch 8 track of the song. I thought I remembered carrying it out of the door one night !!! It's exciting because it HAD got neglected because it didn't have a BBC label on it ... it must have been a tape we brought in ... or someone else did ...So soon we can get to grips with this little piece of history. It will be a nice opportunity for me to give credit to the guys who did the song which inspired mine ... Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee. It was only recently that a friend (made on this website) helped me to find this original track ... We'll convert it into a nice Protools file and get to work!! It's interesting that we also found a BBC stereo mix of the track from the original session and it DOES have a "straight" vocal on it .... curiouser and curiouser ... Of course all versions will have some interest. ..more later.Love bri" Haha...that's because the b-side version just sounds so fucken gay! What the fuck was Fred thinking? You could just see him flicking his wrist when he says 'now hit it.....like that!'. The BBC version is way way so much better! |
| rhyeking 21.03.2011 09:17 |
I love the B-side version. It's so burlesque and over the top, you just know Freddie was taking the piss out everyone with his reportedly wicked sense of humour. |
| Planetgurl 21.03.2011 09:32 |
rhyeking wrote: I love the B-side version. It's so burlesque and over the top, you just know Freddie was taking the piss out everyone with his reportedly wicked sense of humour. So do I and the guitar work is sublime on this version. |
| Dr Zoidberg 21.03.2011 09:55 |
I love the camp b-side version of See What a Fool I've Been. |
| Soundfreak 21.03.2011 10:39 |
I used Audacity to adjust the speed to try to match it to album version of MFK and and I still find it a difference performance, even with timing similarities now accounted for. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Sorry I am speechless, obviously we are living on different planets or have completely different eyes and ears. When I put the BBC MFK into the multitracker and stretch it for the resample-factor 1.004 it is in sync with the regular version. The piano and guitar and drums and most of the backing vocals are identic.The main difference is a slightly different lead vocal of Freddie and a different mix of the guitar tracks. Although they are the same including the backwards stuff at 3:00. They couldn't have done that at the BBC. Even the wave of both tracks looks nearly the same. There is a slight tape speed difference in the BBC tape somewhere in the middle so you have to adjust the second half again. But it remains still the same recording. |
| rhyeking 21.03.2011 12:33 |
I redid the test, Soundfreak, now that I had some free time and you might well be correct in MFK. There are differences, but the piano and some of the guitar tracks do sound like the album recording. Other parts are certainly different and what might be from the album recording has most definitely been stripped of the effects applied to them on the album mix, such as echoes and double-tracking. Also, the stripped down recording is itself mixed differently, with guitar and vocal tracks given different amounts of presence compared to the album. |
| strangefrontier 21.03.2011 13:44 |
Although not a BBC recording, I thought that it might be worth while reminding everyone of the rarest verson of SSOR that is rumoured to exist...the alternative mix wrongly pressed on the original demo's that were subsequently recalled. I wonder if we could hear the difference with that one!! |
| strangefrontier 21.03.2011 13:45 |
Good work btw everyone on the analysis of these tracks. |
| The Real Wizard 21.03.2011 21:52 |
rhyeking wrote: Session #1 My Fairy King - new recording Keep Yourself Alive - new recording Doing Alright - new recording Liar - new recording Session 5 Now I'm Here - album backing with new vocals and guitar Stone Cold Crazy - album backing with new vocals and guitar Tenement Funster - album backing with new vocals and guitar ===================== You're right about most. The backing tracks on these above 7 songs are musically 100% identical to the albums except for the lead vocals. The only other difference is mixing, which might account for the differences you're hearing. |
| The Real Wizard 21.03.2011 22:01 |
strangefrontier wrote: See What A Fool I've Been from session 2 was the most unique recording from the sessions in that it was recorded entirely at Langham studios, and then taken back to trident to be remixed from the 8 track master. Two lead vocals were recorded, the straight BBC session version and the spoof SSOR 'B' side style version. ====================== I'm not sure if that's right. Instrumentally, the BBC version and B-side versions are completely different. Judging by the drum sound, the B-side version sounds like it was done later, during the Queen II sessions at Trident in August. What we do know for sure is there are at least three lead vocal tracks - two for the BBC version (the one for the one we've heard for years, and another take is heard on "I caught a train") .. and then the "spoof" take for the B-side. It's unlikely that the spoof track was recorded to the BBC version from the previous month. So as far as I can tell, the vocal tracks are from at least two different sessions. |
| joesilvey 21.03.2011 22:23 |
this is Queen we're talking about... my guess is that perhaps there were multiple vocal takes done for even some/all of the BBC sessions. Since the album backing was often used, they could certainly have laid down a couple of vocal passes, even under the tight time constraints they worked within... just my feeling... the liner notes of the new remasters say that the BBC session version of SWAFIB was July 1973, and it credits the B-side version as February 74 (which is when the SSOR single was released)... but it does't definitively say that the B-side version came from the July 73 session or not. maybe no one remembers! |
| The Real Wizard 21.03.2011 22:28 |
And there we have it. Laying down another vocal track simply took four minutes. No doubt there were extra takes to assemble a final version from. And for the 2011 version, for some reason they preferred the alt take of "I caught a train." |
| spaceboy1972 22.03.2011 14:31 |
Don't know if this helps (apologies if it's mentioned elsewhere) but this Japanese compilation is on ebay - is this official? link |
| strangefrontier 22.03.2011 14:33 |
You are correct Bob...I didn't make myself clear enough. I wasn't trying to say that the track was taken back to trident for remixing and the spoof vocal was added and then released as the 'B' side. Just that it was the only track recorded at the BBC that was mixed at Trident. I suspect that Brian also laid down a guide vocal at Lagham. |
| spaceboy1972 22.03.2011 14:34 |
Also link |
| cmi 22.03.2011 15:13 |
Both items are Russian fakes/bootlegs. |
| rhyeking 22.03.2011 16:29 |
Sir GH wrote: rhyeking wrote: Session #1 My Fairy King - new recording Keep Yourself Alive - new recording Doing Alright - new recording Liar - new recording Session 5 Now I'm Here - album backing with new vocals and guitar Stone Cold Crazy - album backing with new vocals and guitar Tenement Funster - album backing with new vocals and guitar ===================== You're right about most. The backing tracks on these above 7 songs are musically 100% identical to the albums except for the lead vocals. The only other difference is mixing, which might account for the differences you're hearing. ****************************** That still doesn't explain a few things, like why the percussion comes in at an entirely different point at the beginning of KYA and the noticeable difference in drum quality between and other elements between the versions of "Liar." I'm not near my collection right now to pull them up and listen, but these examples do come to mind, and I mentioned them earlier in the thread. |
| spaceboy1972 23.03.2011 13:41 |
CMI wrote: Both items are Russian fakes/bootlegs. Thanks :-) |