| teddi2002 13.01.2011 14:37 |
1973-09-13 Golders Green Hippodrome London, UK Lineage: 3-source merge "Royalties at the Hippodrome" FLAC > WAV 32-bit > Adobe Audition 3.0 (with slightly modified SQ-script originally from link > WAV 16-bit > FLAC level 8 This is a quadraphonic version of this concert, SQ decoded using Pittrek's 3-source merge called "Royalties at the Hippodrome". The files in this share is divided into two folders; "front" and "rear". In the folder called "front" you'll find 14 stereo flac files which contains the front channels, and in the folder called "rear", the files are stereo flac files containing the rear channels. Convert this to your preferred surround format. I hope you'll enjoy this share, and all thanks to the persons involved in making the original files available, including pittrek. regards teddi2002 link |
| Farrokh The Great 13.01.2011 15:15 |
Wow !!!! I'm very curious to hear this especial quadraphonic version, THANK YOU A LOT !!! |
| GinjaNinja 13.01.2011 16:01 |
Thanks very much! Shall have a go at doing a clearer vocal mix with these :) |
| Wilki Amieva 14.01.2011 07:32 |
Sorry, but it seems to me that this is not properly decoded surround. To be honest, I haven't had much time to go into detail while hearing your share, but It shouldn't sound like this at all! (believe me, I have owned an ol' quad system for most of my youth). Maybe the decoding matrix is not right or the SQ-encoded information was damaged during the remastering process by Stark (I got the name right this time, Pittrek!) - or not even present in the source he worked on. Definetely, something is wrong with that one. Please, check the rear channels of Father To Son at 3:24, when the edit in the traditional source begins, and you will hear a quite an abrupt sound field change. |
| The Real Wizard 14.01.2011 11:18 |
If that's the case, then maybe someone could start with this version - link |
| pittrek 14.01.2011 11:50 |
Thanks teddi |
| Nordico 14.01.2011 12:12 |
First of all many thanks to everybody involved in this project! Hopefully somebody, sometimes will share a proper version of this concert. By the way: Has somebody listened to the "Hernansnow" vocal reconstruction? Two songs (Ogre Battle & Son And Daughter snippet) can be downloaded in mp3 format from is site (links below) link link I won't say that this sounds great, and to be honest I don't like the sound, but at least he has brought the vocal much more in front.... |
| The Real Wizard 14.01.2011 14:35 |
No offence, but I don't even want to listen to anything Hernan Snow does. All he does is leak out lossy copies of his work and adds a pretty cover. Until he actually converses with the community to do things for the greater good, I refuse to take him seriously. |
| therhyeman 14.01.2011 19:20 |
Wow, Freddie is VERY loud on that version of Ogre Battle!! As is John. And Brian is very quiet! I suggest a matrix using both versions :) |
| Erik Viking 15.01.2011 03:01 |
I would love to hear a final result but: "Convert this to your preferred surround format." stops me. Could you please help me? |
| Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon 26.01.2011 09:36 |
Thank you very much, very interesting! Is required a particular software to listen? |
| TimBHM 30.04.2011 03:37 |
Thanks - it'll be interesting to give this a listen. |
| Benn 27.12.2011 01:06 |
OK - anyone know how to convert this to a regular CD format? I have Audaciity. Will that be any use? |
| Dodger Taylor 27.12.2011 04:50 |
Iv heard the Quadraphonic version of dark side of the moon converted to 4.1 surround sound and its amazing,anyone able to do similar with these files? |
| bokkepoot 20.01.2012 09:11 |
Megaupload is down :( So.....time to repair some links here and there, starting with the ones from 1973 !!! :) Royalties at the Hippodrome Quadraphonic.rar (460,7 MB) link edit 28-01-2012 New Link: link |
| OwenSmith 29.03.2012 15:38 |
Did anyone turn this decode into anything playable? Seperate front and rear stereo FLACs aren't much use. There are only really two things I can think of which are playable: i) a 4.0 FLAC (my Oppo 95 BD player plays 5.1 flacs OK) or ii) a DVD-Audio 4.0 encode. Unless either of these is produced I can't see the point. |
| OwenSmith 29.03.2012 15:39 |
The Real Wizard wrote: If that's the case, then maybe someone could start with this version - linkDid anyone ever do this ie. SQ decode before Stark's remastering? |
| The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 11:37 |
Nope. He used an inferior source as well, as it was many years ago before better copies came out. |
| OwenSmith 31.03.2012 07:29 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Nope. He used an inferior source as well, as it was many years ago before better copies came out.Who used an inferior source? Pittrek for the 3 source compilation? Everywhere I can find on QZ it is the Pittrek 3 source compilation using the Stark remaster that is referred to, and that is the one in the Pittrek Best of the Best collection. It is also the one the first post claimed to use for the SQ decode. The reason I opened this can of worms again is I'm quite keen on surround music. As a newcomer I'm finding it very difficult to know which is the preferred copy of things. All sorts of new versions pop up all the time and it is difficult to keep track when wading through years of history on QZ. And the various file sharing site download links are broken so often I rarely bother to try using them, persevering with the torrents seems to work better. |
| The Real Wizard 31.03.2012 12:04 |
I meant that about Stark's remaster. It was done many years ago, and better versions have emerged since. Indeed, sometimes it's hard to figure out which is the best version, as it can come down to taste in the end. It's best to give them all a spin and make your choice. Plenty to pick from: link |
| OwenSmith 31.03.2012 12:11 |
I've found some free quad decoding software that doesn't need Adobe Audition (which costs real money): link and also (will do SQ and QS and others): link I may have a go at another decode. Then there's the question of what to encode to. 4.0 FLAC is problematic as few people can play it. DTS-CD would be an option and I think I can find free encode software, but it's not lossles. DVD-A is probably best, but the only software encoder I've find costs money. |
| The Real Wizard 31.03.2012 14:43 |
Most people on this forum use FLAC now. You mean FLAC level 4? 8 is the standard. The files are smaller at level 8, but they just take a bit longer to encode. So when you decode these files, are they 4-channel WAV files now? Those can't encode to FLAC, since that's only 2 channels. |
| OwenSmith 31.03.2012 15:04 |
Actually both FLAC and WAV can contain plenty more that 2 channels. Linn Records have some 5.1 channel surround test FLACs on this page: link I have downloaded both of the 5.1 test FLACs on the above page, and they play correctly on my Oppo BDP-95EU blu ray player ie. when the voice says "right rear" it comes out of the right rear speaker etc. But I think support for multi channel (ie. more that two) FLACs is rare so it's not a format I'm keen to use. I've got SQDecode working and it can either produce a single WAV file with all 4 tracks in, or it can produce 4 seperate WAV files. Fiddling around with Audacity playing the front and then rear it's easier to use the 4 channel WAV. But all the encoding tools expect 4 seperate WAV files. I've just now produced a DTS file of Son and Daughter and I'm off to play it on my surround system. Sadly DTS is lossy, but 1.2mbps DTS at 44.1KHz (ie. DTS CD format) doesn't lose much. Ideally I'd like to make a DVD Audio with MLP tracks for those with a DVD-A player and then a video zone with DTS tracks for those with only normal DVD Video players, and a Linear PCM track (front plus rear added together) for people without DTS decoders. But I'm taking one step at a time. I need to know if the resulting decoded surround sounds good enough to be worth the effort. |
| OwenSmith 31.03.2012 15:32 |
By the way, what made people believe this is SQ encoded in the first place? I've been unable to find a source for that even on Queenzone. |
| OwenSmith 31.03.2012 15:36 |
The Real Wizard wrote: If that's the case, then maybe someone could start with this version - linkIs this just a direct transfer of the Pop Spectacular CD? If it is I may try it to see if it SQ decodes any better, I'm getting very variable results with the multi source compilation. I'm not even sure I have the "best" multi source, I have the "Pittrek Best of the Best" version. I've seen reference to a newer multi source but it's very unclear from the downloads pages which this is. |
| OwenSmith 31.03.2012 20:41 |
OwenSmith wrote:I have the Pop Spectacular download now. "Father to Son" (my randomly chosen test track) produces much more consistent results through SQ decode. I keep having to remind myself that the raw SQ matrix only provides 3db front to rear seperation, so it's never going to sound like modern multi channel music.The Real Wizard wrote: If that's the case, then maybe someone could start with this version - linkIs this just a direct transfer of the Pop Spectacular CD? If it is I may try it to see if it SQ decodes any better, I'm getting very variable results with the multi source compilation. I'd still like to know if the Pop Spectacular above is a raw rip of the CD or whether anything has been done to it. |
| OwenSmith 13.04.2012 15:46 |
If you look towards the end of this thread on the Quadraphonic Quad forums: link it seems it is unlikely this concert is SQ encoded. I found the original entry on the list of quad radio shows but there are lots of inaccurate lists. The transcription disc label is definitely stereo. Also the guy that wrote the Adobe Audition scripts did a decode and says that the result doesn't sound intentional, just stuff naturally out of phase (it happens all the time, otherwise Pro Logic II Music wouldn't ever work). |
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