Gregsynth 09.01.2011 14:58 |
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The Real Wizard 09.01.2011 18:17 |
No.. it's the crowd hitting the note, not him |
Gregsynth 09.01.2011 18:20 |
How can you even tell? I mean you must either have golden ears, or the best headphones in history, cause all I hear is a CHORUS of C5s (I can't even tell what note Freddie sings under them)! |
Wes90 09.01.2011 18:23 |
He hits it, he would have sang another note instead, but i can just hear the c5, so unless he didn't sing, he hit that note. |
Gregsynth 09.01.2011 18:35 |
I mean, that's the problem: I always thought he did hit the C5, but then I have some people saying he's hitting A4/G4 during that part. It also doesn't help that the quality is rough! Hey, whoever has the dang alternative source (that's A- quality), does Freddie hit the C5? LOL We need help! |
Wes90 09.01.2011 18:49 |
I think it's possible, he hit it in Live Aid and i think in other concerts, and he sounds in pretty good shape in this recording. |
Gregsynth 09.01.2011 18:52 |
Well, he did hit the C5 at Live Aid, and he was able to hit B4s and C5s throughout the early Magic Tour, so I know he could've hit that C5 on Brussels. The question is: Did he? |
jamster1111 09.01.2011 18:55 |
He hits it. I could hear him brake on it too like he did at live aid. |
Gregsynth 09.01.2011 18:57 |
jamster1111 wrote: He hits it. I could hear him brake on it too like he did at live aid. === BRAKE! |
tsskiller 09.01.2011 19:42 |
I will say this again, Fred does not hit the C5. After the "C5", you can clearly hear Freddie on a G4, which means that he only hit an A4 since the correct phrasing is to hit the C5, then the A4, which the audience member did. He pulled a similar stunt on 5/9/1985 where the phrasing was a bit more choppy, but it's the same premise. |
Gregsynth 09.01.2011 20:38 |
Do you have Sony MDR V6s? :D |
john bodega 10.01.2011 03:04 |
If you mean at around 0:49, then no. That's the crowd. It's not a matter of hearing the note that is there (clearly a C) but rather paying attention to the sound that isn't there; which would be Freddie in this case. You can hear him doing that, whatcha call it ... when he sings the word 'fighting' with the notes A-G stretched out over the word. He does that on numerous shows so there's a precedent for that. He's not hitting a C here. The C you're hearing is very 'crowd' sounding. Doesn't sound remotely like it's coming out of the PA at all. Different kind of quality to it. Forgive me for not being able to throw technical terms at it. |
Gregsynth 10.01.2011 03:47 |
Zebonka12 wrote: If you mean at around 0:49, then no. That's the crowd. It's not a matter of hearing the note that is there (clearly a C) but rather paying attention to the sound that isn't there; which would be Freddie in this case. You can hear him doing that, whatcha call it ... when he sings the word 'fighting' with the notes A-G stretched out over the word. He does that on numerous shows so there's a precedent for that. He's not hitting a C here. The C you're hearing is very 'crowd' sounding. Doesn't sound remotely like it's coming out of the PA at all. Different kind of quality to it. Forgive me for not being able to throw technical terms at it. ======== The explanation makes enough sense: Freddie's vocals have a more "distant" sound, and the crowd is more "up front." The C5s are "up front" (the crowd), and the "distant" note (Freddie) is the A4/G4 phrase. It's the same exact thing that's on Glasgow 1979 (the Bohemian Rhapsody C5). |
koldweather123 10.01.2011 09:44 |
I do hear the G, thats fairly obvious... However I still don't think you could rule it out him getting that High C JUST because he goes down to G4...who's to say the guy didn't simply miss the A4 and hit a slightly lower note. Here are the facts as I see them at the moment: 1: The A4-G4 progression was common in this era, therefore probably more likely in theory 2: HOWEVER he HAD hit the C5 just a few shows before, plus there is the fact he was more then able to hit it in this era and does so on quite a few occassions on previous shows. 3: The quality is NOT good enough to HEAR the C5/A4...I don't care what people say that note is just too hidden by the crowd. 4: He does clearly go down to G4 which makes point 1 more likely, but its far from being a deal clincher IMO. 5: Whilst not really that relevant, Freddie was confident, he'd just nailed WWRY in a way he hadn't in many years and I'm strong believer Freddie would be more willing to go for high notes if he was confident. IMO having heard this concert millions of times it seems now, the C5 sounds like Freddie's tone but the crowd sound far stronger, but its no where strong enough for me to have any confidence. Zebonka made a good and interesting point which relates to this, people hear the note they want to hear. I can imagine the C5 being hit on the Brussels version, but the progression would make more sense for a A4...yet I actually think I HEAR the C5 from Freddie...but as I said really the quality is probably not good enough to go anything past a hunch. So with all these ramblings, my conclusion is, I've not a clue! I think until we hear a better version, there can be NO definitive answer either way, because we are simply working on too many assumptions and guesses based on what is somewhat loose evidence of the A4-G4 progression. ps, The Japan 85 was no debate by the way...I've always believed that was A4-G4, IMO that one was quite obvious. |
Leonardo Venegas 10.01.2011 16:40 |
No, he doesn't. It's the audience Mystery solved i guess! Cheers! |
Thistle 10.01.2011 16:56 |
Greg, I am in no way trying to be a dick here, but why do these things matter? Seriously, I'm not trying to be funny, I would just like to know why people get so passionate about analysing how a song was sung. I don't have a clue about musical notes, phrasing etc, I just know when I like a song, or the vocals behind a song, but I don't care about one live version being different from another, unless it was intentional and is a variant. As these kinds of topics are becoming more and more frequent here on QZ (and I feel like a dumbass who can't make a contribution) it would be great if someone could please clear this one up for me - what is the fascination of analysing each and every note from each and every show? Cheers! |
Gregsynth 10.01.2011 17:30 |
Because it's fun! lol |
Gregsynth 10.01.2011 17:31 |
Gregsynth wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Greg, I am in no way trying to be a dick here, but why do these things matter? Seriously, I'm not trying to be funny, I would just like to know why people get so passionate about analysing how a song was sung. I don't have a clue about musical notes, phrasing etc, I just know when I like a song, or the vocals behind a song, but I don't care about one live version being different from another, unless it was intentional and is a variant. As these kinds of topics are becoming more and more frequent here on QZ (and I feel like a dumbass who can't make a contribution) it would be great if someone could please clear this one up for me - what is the fascination of analysing each and every note from each and every show? Cheers! ========== You're not a dick! :D The reason for this topic, was because on the Youtube comments, there is a HUGE debate on if Freddie went for the C5 in the first chorus or not. Some people said he did, others didn't. I wasn't sure, so I posted it here (for possible answers)! There ya go! |
Thistle 10.01.2011 18:46 |
I know the reason for the post lol, I'm just confused about the analysis of it all, I just don't get the obsession. I guess I just like to accept it as it was haha! |
plumrach 11.01.2011 02:47 |
@greg At the start of In the lap of the gods at wembley what note(s) does he get? |
FriedChicken 11.01.2011 02:57 |
Does it care if he sings it or not? |
Gregsynth 11.01.2011 08:54 |
plumrach wrote: @greg At the start of In the lap of the gods at wembley what note(s) does he get? ========== He sings B4 to A4 (on "Easy and "Risky"--in falsetto). Then on "Funny" and "Money" it's full-voiced A4 to G4! |
Gregsynth 11.01.2011 08:55 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: I know the reason for the post lol, I'm just confused about the analysis of it all, I just don't get the obsession. I guess I just like to accept it as it was haha! ======= When you run a channel full of Queen bootlegs, run skype debates, and answer hundreds of questions, I analyze alot! lol |
Gregsynth 11.01.2011 08:56 |
FriedChicken wrote: Does it care if he sings it or not? ======= I don't really care--It's just that there was an argument on my channel comments! |
plumrach 11.01.2011 09:16 |
thannks greg |
Gregsynth 11.01.2011 10:42 |
You're welcome! |
mooghead 11.01.2011 15:19 |
As soon as I saw the thread title I thought 'is this to do with some shit quality bootleg that sounds like all the other shit quality bootlegs out there? Or is this to do with the OP showing off because he has loads of shit quality bootlegs?' I was right. |
Gregsynth 11.01.2011 15:21 |
Both are correct! XD |