| lalaalalaa 07.12.2010 16:43 |
link I'm tired of this crap. These people call themselves Christians, yet they contradict the very book they worship. Matthew 24:36 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels, nor the Son, but only the Father." |
| Dan C. 07.12.2010 20:58 |
I'm so tired of this kind of stuff. Jesus... |
| lifetimefanofqueen 08.12.2010 09:59 |
OH MY GOD THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR! WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME THIS?!?!? thank god its after i go see brian may and kerry ellis at the royal albert hall, god was being kind there :) |
| lalaalalaa 08.12.2010 14:45 |
^ I seriously hope you are joking |
| YannickJoker 08.12.2010 19:52 |
I'm afraid she's not joking, but it would make sense, Christians are idiots. |
| lalaalalaa 08.12.2010 21:17 |
Not true. Quit stereotyping. I'm a Christian. |
| YannickJoker 08.12.2010 21:59 |
Well there you are then. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 09.12.2010 11:01 |
B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. |
| Jennie 09.12.2010 13:14 |
If the world went under every time someone said it would. We'd all be dead several times by now ;) |
| Bo Rhap 09.12.2010 16:20 |
"We got five years,Stuck on my eyes.Five years,What a surprise We got five years my brain hurts a lot. Five years.Thats all we got" |
| catqueen 13.12.2010 13:17 |
lalaalalaa wrote: Not true. Quit stereotyping. I'm a Christian. me too. and im relatively not stupid, except in exam week, when i am stupid, like rite now. and i wont even watch the video, its embarrassing :( |
| lifetimefanofqueen 13.12.2010 16:46 |
catqueen wrote: lalaalalaa wrote: Not true. Quit stereotyping. I'm a Christian. me too. and im relatively not stupid, except in exam week, when i am stupid, like rite now. and i wont even watch the video, its embarrassing :( ======================================================= i hope he ment "not all christinas" only the ones who dedicate their lives to religion and do nothing but think about god, paint pictures of jesus, obsess with religious pics all over their house and turn un human when it comes to gays/lesbians. thats stupid, and so is thinkin the world is going to end, but i think we all have a freedom of speach and with that and our different oppinions there will be confict, and depending on how people react on it, it will affect the way people see eachover, we humans are a strange lot arent we? |
| lalaalalaa 14.12.2010 15:06 |
1. The world IS going to end. We just don't know the date 2. I'm sick of having to tolerate homosexuality everywhere. I don't believe it's right, so sue me 3. You should work on your English (or stop drinking) |
| lalaalalaa 14.12.2010 15:07 |
"only the ones who dedicate their lives to religion and do nothing but think about god" Praising the one who created us all is pretty worthwhile. Why have a religion if you don't dedicate your life to it? |
| GratefulFan 14.12.2010 16:36 |
lalaalalaa wrote: 2. I'm sick of having to tolerate homosexuality everywhere. I don't believe it's right, so sue me ========================================== Do you think you could you articulate why? I am genuinely curious. If you had to articulate why without referring to the bible or religious beliefs could you do that? Again, just interested in your thoughts, not suing you. |
| Sergei. 14.12.2010 22:23 |
lalaalalaa wrote: 2. I'm sick of having to tolerate homosexuality everywhere. I don't believe it's right, so sue me Why would you need to tolerate it at all? If it's between two consenting adults and it's not disrupting the (very likely) stale, banal sequence of repetitive events that you refer to as your daily life, how does the existence of homosexuality affect you in any way? You can't just go stating that you don't "agree with" or "believe in" something that a person is born with and can't control without giving a reasonable explanation of your viewpoint - an explanation that doesn't involve religious claims of any sort (I'm sure that criteria would just blow your whole argument to smithereens). Would you say you're sick of tolerating black people, or ethnic Jews, or people with autism? A person can't control their sexual orientation any more than they can control these things. "So sue them." And I know the whole "nature vs. nurture" thing is what a lot of dumb ass Christians try to use as an argument - "Homosexuality is a choice." Yeah, because all gay people make the decision to lead lives that can be wrought with anguish, prejudice, self-hatred, and bigotry at the hands of people like you. It's just as much of a choice as deciding to be a narrow-minded idiot, I reckon. I also get the feeling that you're like thirteen years old, which would lead me to believe that these ideas were instilled in you by your dumb parents, or some overweight senior-citizen sunday school teacher who claims that getting a certificate from a bible college counts as having a degree. |
| lalaalalaa 15.12.2010 20:45 |
^ What I mean by "tolerate" is that most places we go, we can't say anything that might "offend" them, even though there's nothing to get offended about. People won't all agree on these lifestyle choices. I got banned on Gamefaqs because I didn't support homosexuality. Apparently, I was being "offensive" and I was "flaming". I just don't think it's natural. I beleive there's a reason that only a man and a woman can reproduce (not two men or two women)- because it's how we were created. I'm not much of a deep thinker or anything, so that's about the best explanation you are going to get about why I don't support it. Well, that and I'm a full-out Christian. |
| lalaalalaa 15.12.2010 20:48 |
and no, I'm not 13. I'm 17. Homosexuality is a choice. You can choose to say no. I'm not saying it's easy or anything, but there are plenty of people who change from homosexual to straight. I don't want to get into any more arguements about this. |
| Sergei. 15.12.2010 22:39 |
lalaalalaa wrote: "and no, I'm not 13. I'm 17. " I'd never have guessed. "Homosexuality is a choice. " There are limitless reliable sources that say you're wrong and hardly any that say you're right. "You can choose to say no. " You can also choose to mind your own damn business. " I'm not saying it's easy or anything, but there are plenty of people who change from homosexual to straight." Then they either weren't fully homosexual in the first place (bisexual, maybe) or they're in denial and are completely miserable. Many people in the second situation lead very unsatisfactory, unhappy lives, which in some cases can lead to suicide. "I don't want to get into any more arguements about this." Then don't say incendiary shit like that on a public forum. |
| Crazy LittleThing 15.12.2010 23:09 |
Sergei. wrote: lalaalalaa wrote: "and no, I'm not 13. I'm 17. " I'd never have guessed. "Homosexuality is a choice. " There are limitless reliable sources that say you're wrong and hardly any that say you're right. "You can choose to say no. " You can also choose to mind your own damn business. " I'm not saying it's easy or anything, but there are plenty of people who change from homosexual to straight." Then they either weren't fully homosexual in the first place (bisexual, maybe) or they're in denial and are completely miserable. Many people in the second situation lead very unsatisfactory, unhappy lives, which in some cases can lead to suicide. "I don't want to get into any more arguements about this." Then don't say incendiary shit like that on a public forum. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You go, Sergei! |
| YannickJoker 18.12.2010 02:36 |
lalaalalaa wrote: 2. I'm sick of having to tolerate homosexuality everywhere. I don't believe it's right, so sue me ================ But why are you listening to Queen then? Freddie was as gay as gay could ever be. Some of the people in your sect would call listening to music made by a gay man highly sinful. You're going to hell, mate. |
| tcc 18.12.2010 06:40 |
YannickJoker wrote: lalaalalaa wrote: 2. I'm sick of having to tolerate homosexuality everywhere. I don't believe it's right, so sue me ================ But why are you listening to Queen then? Freddie was as gay as gay could ever be. Some of the people in your sect would call listening to music made by a gay man highly sinful. You're going to hell, mate. Shh! Don't tell them that Freddie was gay. |
| lalaalalaa 18.12.2010 16:40 |
Just because I listen to Queen, doesn't mean I support Freddie's lifestyle choices. |
| john bodega 19.12.2010 04:34 |
"I'm not much of a deep thinker or anything" Fucking classic!!!! "I'm not saying it's easy or anything, but there are plenty of people who change from homosexual to straight." I call bullshit. If it were that easy, you could make the choice to not be a stupid cunt. It wouldn't be easy, but you could do it. That's what kills me about your kind; you literally have no reasons for any of your backwards beliefs. "It's just not natural". What a racket. Electron microscopy isn't natural and neither are artificial hearts. Take your Amish nonsense and stick it. |
| lalaalalaa 19.12.2010 18:55 |
All I'm saying is that I don't approve of the lifestyle choice. If I said something like "Homosexuals are abominations" someone would probably send an assassin after me. |
| lifetimefanofqueen 19.12.2010 19:39 |
i guess we all have our own oppinions on eachover and eachovers ways of life. were all different and thats what makes us all unique |
| john bodega 20.12.2010 03:46 |
"All I'm saying is that I don't approve of the lifestyle choice." What does your approval count for, exactly? It's based on the scribbles of a bunch of dead guys that were probably chomping on shrooms when they wrote the stuff. It certainly has nothing to do with God, and speaking as someone who has a pretty serious set of non-denominational beliefs and understandings about the universe, I get really, really fucking crabby when people try to put words in "His" mouth. Stop blaming "Him" for your stupid fucking prejudices. It's you; you're the one with the problem. |
| john bodega 20.12.2010 03:47 |
"were all different and thats what makes us all unique " I've heard that before. |
| Holly2003 20.12.2010 05:31 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Stop blaming "Him" for your stupid fucking prejudices. It's you; you're the one with the problem. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bravo sir, 100% correct. |
| lalaalalaa 20.12.2010 09:54 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "All I'm saying is that I don't approve of the lifestyle choice." What does your approval count for, exactly? It's based on the scribbles of a bunch of dead guys that were probably chomping on shrooms when they wrote the stuff. It certainly has nothing to do with God, and speaking as someone who has a pretty serious set of non-denominational beliefs and understandings about the universe, I get really, really fucking crabby when people try to put words in "His" mouth. Stop blaming "Him" for your stupid fucking prejudices. It's you; you're the one with the problem. If you don't believe in God, that's your choice. It doesn't give you the right to bash every Christian you meet. How is what we believe hurting you? |
| YannickJoker 20.12.2010 10:12 |
lalaalalaa wrote: Zebonka12 wrote: "All I'm saying is that I don't approve of the lifestyle choice." What does your approval count for, exactly? It's based on the scribbles of a bunch of dead guys that were probably chomping on shrooms when they wrote the stuff. It certainly has nothing to do with God, and speaking as someone who has a pretty serious set of non-denominational beliefs and understandings about the universe, I get really, really fucking crabby when people try to put words in "His" mouth. Stop blaming "Him" for your stupid fucking prejudices. It's you; you're the one with the problem. If you don't believe in God, that's your choice. It doesn't give you the right to bash every Christian you meet. How is what we believe hurting you? ====== You do know Zebonka is a flaming homosexual don't you? You've hurt him real bad. |
| john bodega 20.12.2010 11:01 |
"It doesn't give you the right to bash every Christian you meet. How is what we believe hurting you?" It doesn't hurt me but I'm a decent human being and I know about a little thing called empathy. I've seen what your nonsense can do to people who don't ask for it, and lemme tell you - it's not nice. You're making this about Christianity again when it's got nothing to do with it. Quit using religion as a vehicle for your freaking bigotry. You people are classic excuse makers - when you want to forward a personal opinion, you feel the need to back it up by saying "God agrees with me". Take some personal fucking responsibility ... "You do know Zebonka is a flaming homosexual don't you?" I had to take a screenshot of that for the hilarity. |
| YannickJoker 20.12.2010 11:03 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "You do know Zebonka is a flaming homosexual don't you?" I had to take a screenshot of that for the hilarity. Thank you. You know I'm on your side, don't you? |
| lalaalalaa 20.12.2010 11:17 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "It doesn't give you the right to bash every Christian you meet. How is what we believe hurting you?" It doesn't hurt me but I'm a decent human being and I know about a little thing called empathy. I've seen what your nonsense can do to people who don't ask for it, and lemme tell you - it's not nice. You're making this about Christianity again when it's got nothing to do with it. Quit using religion as a vehicle for your freaking bigotry. You people are classic excuse makers - when you want to forward a personal opinion, you feel the need to back it up by saying "God agrees with me". Take some personal fucking responsibility ... "You do know Zebonka is a flaming homosexual don't you?" I had to take a screenshot of that for the hilarity. I'm not doing any of this. I just said that I don't believe in it. I don't think it's right. I believe in Christianity because I feel I have a connection with God through prayer and praise. Even if I wasn't a Christian, I still wouldn't approve of homosexuality. Maybe you should stop lumping me in with all the other "Christians" you meet. I'm not going to start flaming anyone who is homosexual, I'm just saying I personally don't believe in it. You can call me a bigot, an idiot, illogical, whatever. I don't care. Let's just stop this fighting. |
| john bodega 20.12.2010 12:36 |
"Thank you. You know I'm on your side, don't you? " Hence the laughter! "Even if I wasn't a Christian, I still wouldn't approve of homosexuality." I wouldn't be 100% sure on that one. Ideas don't come from a vacuum. |
| user name 20.12.2010 13:52 |
lalaalalaa wrote: >I'm not doing any of this. I just said that I don't believe in it. I don't think it's right. Pray tell, why is it wrong? For instance, murder and rape are wrong because they deprive others of their rights. What specific harm does homosexuality perpetrate? One may have beliefs, but those beliefs must be justified. You cannot simply say, "It's wrong because I believe it so," and go on your way. That's begging the question and therefore incorrect. |
| YannickJoker 20.12.2010 13:59 |
It's because the bible says it, that's enough for lalaalalaa. But after all is said and done, you can't deny the fact that having a form of torture symbolize Christianity is way more sick than your ol' little gay-sex. |
| user name 20.12.2010 14:27 |
What the Bible says is irrelevant, unless one should adopt each of his positions consistently with every word of the Bible, which would result in a remarkably unethical worldview by any standard. |
| *goodco* 20.12.2010 15:41 |
The United States finally joined the rest of the civilized world by repealing 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' over the weekend. The initial repurcussion: Vlink Even though McCain said years ago he'd be in favor of repealing the law if the Armed Forces were in agreement on getting rid of it. Well, they are, and now he's not. The United States 'may' have been able to have stopped the 9/11 attacks. We had tons of information on tape. It just had to be translated. Sadly, we were short-handed, because many had been released because they were gay. Of course, until Harry Truman, our troops were segregated. The majority were against him changing the law. Many used the bible as their basis for opposing desegregation. There are no atheists in foxholes. There are no heterosexuals in foxholes. There are no homosexuals in foxholes. Just scared sh*tless soldiers. |
| GratefulFan 20.12.2010 15:47 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I wouldn't be 100% sure on that one. Ideas don't come from a vacuum. ================================ Homosexuals do. |
| lalaalalaa 20.12.2010 18:08 |
I personally don't mind if homosexuals want to fight in the war. In fact, they should be able to do anything they want (within the law, of couse). I just disagree with homosexuality. To me it just seems very unnatural (like inter-racial marriage). I'm not going to go around telling people they are going to Hell or anything. I'm not here to pass judgement. I'm just stating my own beliefs (which I do have a right to have) |
| Sergei. 20.12.2010 21:24 |
Crazy LittleThing wrote: Sergei. wrote: lalaalalaa wrote: "and no, I'm not 13. I'm 17. " I'd never have guessed. "Homosexuality is a choice. " There are limitless reliable sources that say you're wrong and hardly any that say you're right. "You can choose to say no. " You can also choose to mind your own damn business. " I'm not saying it's easy or anything, but there are plenty of people who change from homosexual to straight." Then they either weren't fully homosexual in the first place (bisexual, maybe) or they're in denial and are completely miserable. Many people in the second situation lead very unsatisfactory, unhappy lives, which in some cases can lead to suicide. "I don't want to get into any more arguements about this." Then don't say incendiary shit like that on a public forum. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You go, Sergei! Thank you <3 Someone needs to put the morons in their place! Zebonka isn't doing a bad job of it either, I do declare. |
| lalaalalaa 20.12.2010 22:25 |
I like how I'm being insulted for not even throwing out an insult. You call Christians ignorant when you are no better. Try not to contradict yourself. |
| john bodega 21.12.2010 04:54 |
"I like how I'm being insulted for not even throwing out an insult" Yeah, you're quite right. Why would anyone ever be insulted when some nutjob declares whole minorities to be 'unnatural'? For your information, insults aren't only insults when we choose to make them so. I haven't insulted you once in this thread; I've just pointed out that you're a backwards, inept, fool. From where I'm sitting, that's not an insult at all, but you seem to think it is. Well, it goes both ways. I know homosexuals and I know people in "mixed race" relationships (What the fuck? Did your time machine break down and you got stuck in 2010 or something?), and funny enough - they tend to get upset when they are called 'unnatural'. Well some of them do - some of them find it hilarious and I frankly don't blame them. It's times like this that I'm glad I'm just an average, stupid white guy that likes average, stupid white chicks. I'll never have to worry about people looking at me funny for being with a guy or something. Of course there's the off chance that I'll wind up with a black girl or an asian - maybe even a ginger girl if I'm really lucky - but for the most part I'm lucky that I don't have to worry about dumbasses like you calling my lifestyle 'unnatural'. I wouldn't mind so much if it really was just your private belief, but for people like you it does not stay that way. Seek help. |
| beautifulsoup 21.12.2010 08:49 |
Whoops...edited out. Duplicate post. D'oh! |
| beautifulsoup 21.12.2010 08:52 |
There's a guy who lives quite nearby me who has signs in his yard about this, and advertises the "family radio" station. There is a mini-van parked prominently in his driveway. It's entirely painted over with images of destruction and mayhem, bible quotes, the said date for the End of the World, "God Will Bring His Holy Judgement on" that date....the date displayed on the sides and hood of the van.... Also, the guy who is behind this whole movement and determination of the date also determined some other "end of the world" date years ago. As far as I can tell, it didn't happen. |
| lalaalalaa 21.12.2010 09:42 |
"I wouldn't mind so much if it really was just your private belief, but for people like you it does not stay that way." People like me? Don't blame me for all the other Christians you come in contact with. I have friends (not really friends, but we get along) who are gay. I'm keeping this belief with me (though I'm not going around public saying "Gays are wrong" and junk) and if you don't like it, then that's just too bad. |
| catqueen 21.12.2010 11:17 |
*nervously looks around before entering the warzone im not getting involved.... but as a conservative christian :P can i point out that the Bible teaches that many things are wrong -- gossip, disobedience to parents, anger without cause, judgment of others, divorce and remarriage and unmarried (some feel uncommitted) STRAIGHT sex. If someone believes that certain sexual acts are wrong, i personally think they should have the freedom to believe as they wish AS LONG AS that belief is not shoved down everyones throat. I was raised to believe that homosexuality was wrong, but also raised to believe that acceptance of others as PEOPLE was more important then anything else, as what a person does is between them and God, God created people, and therefore, u accept, respect and love people as a reflection of God. And as i recently told a 'friend' of mine who posted something anti-gay onhis facebook, 'as Jake Shears (singer of Scissor Sisters) says, 'God loves the gays!''. Again, i may have my own personal beliefs, but if i had the chance, id vote for gay rights, id vote for gay marriage... i celebrated when the first irish gay couple were able to marry (called civil patnership here). Every year i think i should go to the pride march in my city, but something usually ends up coming up that weekend so i dont actually end up going. And what is with all thhis changing to become straight? lol, lalalalaa do u think u could undergo therapy that would make u lesbian? And Lalalalalaa what is wrong with 'inter-racial' marriage?! (personally i believe that there is only one 'race,' the human race). Do u believe that there is an essential difference between ppl because of ethnicity? Would that apply to two white ppl from different cultures? Or only to black/asian/white/oriental/latino? But what if its say... a white american and a white south african? Or a black american and a nigerian? Do they count as 'unnatural'? Im kind of (well, very lol) interested in an Indian guy i know, does that make me a freak? If God created all people, and all people came from TWO original people, then how is marriage between ANY two people unnatural? ok. i did get involved. lol |
| john bodega 21.12.2010 11:18 |
"Don't blame me for all the other Christians you come in contact with." Why do you keep saying that? You're absolutely nothing like the other Christians I've met. |
| lalaalalaa 21.12.2010 12:34 |
catqueen wrote: *nervously looks around before entering the warzone im not getting involved.... but as a conservative christian :P can i point out that the Bible teaches that many things are wrong -- gossip, disobedience to parents, anger without cause, judgment of others, divorce and remarriage and unmarried (some feel uncommitted) STRAIGHT sex. If someone believes that certain sexual acts are wrong, i personally think they should have the freedom to believe as they wish AS LONG AS that belief is not shoved down everyones throat. I was raised to believe that homosexuality was wrong, but also raised to believe that acceptance of others as PEOPLE was more important then anything else, as what a person does is between them and God, God created people, and therefore, u accept, respect and love people as a reflection of God. And as i recently told a 'friend' of mine who posted something anti-gay onhis facebook, 'as Jake Shears (singer of Scissor Sisters) says, 'God loves the gays!''. Again, i may have my own personal beliefs, but if i had the chance, id vote for gay rights, id vote for gay marriage... i celebrated when the first irish gay couple were able to marry (called civil patnership here). Every year i think i should go to the pride march in my city, but something usually ends up coming up that weekend so i dont actually end up going. And what is with all thhis changing to become straight? lol, lalalalaa do u think u could undergo therapy that would make u lesbian? And Lalalalalaa what is wrong with 'inter-racial' marriage?! (personally i believe that there is only one 'race,' the human race). Do u believe that there is an essential difference between ppl because of ethnicity? Would that apply to two white ppl from different cultures? Or only to black/asian/white/oriental/latino? But what if its say... a white american and a white south african? Or a black american and a nigerian? Do they count as 'unnatural'? Im kind of (well, very lol) interested in an Indian guy i know, does that make me a freak? If God created all people, and all people came from TWO original people, then how is marriage between ANY two people unnatural? ok. i did get involved. lol Nothing really. It just kind of seems weird. People can do what they want. Also, I will never be a lesbian. Mainly because I'm a guy. I figure gays can do what they want, but I don't have to support the decision of homosexuality. Is it not fair for me to believe something different than someone else? |
| lalaalalaa 21.12.2010 12:36 |
Also, I'm fine with coexisting with gays and such. They are people, too (with feelings and such). All I am saying is that personally I think it's wrong. |
| YannickJoker 21.12.2010 14:59 |
lalaalalaa wrote: Also, I'm fine with coexisting with gays and such. They are people, too (with feelings and such). All I am saying is that personally I think it's wrong. ==== Yes you already made it perfectly clear you think people doing something else than you are wrong. But if the bible had said it was sinful to have sex with the opposite sex and perfectly alright to have gay-sex, you would have loved the gays. |
| Sergei. 21.12.2010 15:01 |
lalaalalaa wrote: Also, I'm fine with coexisting with gays and such. They are people, too (with feelings and such). All I am saying is that personally I think it's wrong. And, as someone who identifies with no religion, I'm fine coexisting with Christians "and such." They are people, too (with feelings "and such"). All I am saying is that personally, I think it's fucking stupid to place judgment on the way another person lives their life if it doesn't affect you in any way (it doesn't). Oh, and "I think it's wrong," too. Which isn't something all Christians do ( there are - GASP - homosexual, and - SCREAM - transsexual people who consider themselves Christians), but the ones who do the anti-LGBT bible thumpin' are the ones who piss everyone else off because they're applying their own beliefs (which may or may not even be true) to the behavior of people whom they have nothing to do with. Also, I don't know how relevant this is, but... If I recall correctly, one of the books that "condemns" homosexuality is Leviticus, a book of the Old Testament, with the frequently cited line about "If a man lie with a man as he would with a woman, they have both sinned, they must both be put to death, their blood will be upon themselves, blah blah." The Old Testament, right? So you're also aware that in another book of the Old Testament (Deuteronomy, was it?) it's considered an abomination to wear clothing of mixed fibers. By Biblical law, you're also required to build a railing on your roof so that if, perchance, some dumbass happens to fall off your roof and die, you won't be held accountable. Do you abide by these rules too? Do you consider it an abomination when you wear an ugly turtleneck with a cotton/poly blend? Does it burden your conscience that you don't have a railing on your roof in the event that someone should climb up there and accidentally fall off and die? I should hope so, since if you're going to act like your Christian beliefs are what make you believe homosexuality is wrong, you should very well be following all the rules of the scripture, right?! The Bible isn't a buffet with different dishes that you can pick and choose depending on what YOU want to live your life by. |
| lalaalalaa 21.12.2010 16:41 |
Alright, people. Just forget it. You can keep talking if you want, but I'm done with this. Just let this topic die (which reminds me, we need an option to delete topics) |
| Sergei. 21.12.2010 17:10 |
lalaalalaa wrote: Alright, people. Just forget it. You can keep talking if you want, but I'm done with this. Just let this topic die (which reminds me, we need an option to delete topics) That's a good defense tactic. When you realize your point of view is a pile of shit, just make a pathetic attempt at ending the discussion you started when you made an insensitive, ignorant statement. |
| lalaalalaa 21.12.2010 17:53 |
No, I'm just tired of this crap. I'm getting a migrane. I believe in the Bible and there's nothing you can do to change my mind so just back off. |
| YannickJoker 21.12.2010 18:13 |
lalaalalaa wrote: No, I'm just tired of this crap. I'm getting a migrane. I believe in the Bible and there's nothing you can do to change my mind so just back off. Don't worry, we'll keep bumping this topic every once in a while just to remind people of how narrow minded you are. You're welcome. |
| Sergei. 21.12.2010 18:17 |
lalaalalaa wrote: No, I'm just tired of this crap. I'm getting a migrane. I believe in the Bible and there's nothing you can do to change my mind so just back off. Migraine* Nobody's trying to change your beliefs. We're just presenting you with a logical argument that, were you an open-minded and intellectual person (which clearly isn't the case), would benefit you and prevent you from looking like a bigoted idiot in the long run. Whether or not you're receptive to the argument is your own problem (and also reflects on your intelligence), but, as I've said before –– don't expect to make a remark like the one you made (which, by the way, was completely uncalled for as nobody was even discussing homosexuality till you brought it up) and not be confronted about it. This is the internet, not a middle school debate club. If you don't like what's being said to you then get off. PLENTY of people who "believe in the Bible" don't have the narrow-minded views you have on sexuality. Are you going to try and say they're less Christian than you are? Because I'm sure they'd beg to differ. |
| lalaalalaa 21.12.2010 18:27 |
Sergei. wrote: lalaalalaa wrote: No, I'm just tired of this crap. I'm getting a migrane. I believe in the Bible and there's nothing you can do to change my mind so just back off. Migraine* Nobody's trying to change your beliefs. We're just presenting you with a logical argument that, were you an open-minded and intellectual person (which clearly isn't the case), would benefit you and prevent you from looking like a bigoted idiot in the long run. Whether or not you're receptive to the argument is your own problem (and also reflects on your intelligence), but, as I've said before –– don't expect to make a remark like the one you made (which, by the way, was completely uncalled for as nobody was even discussing homosexuality till you brought it up) and not be confronted about it. This is the internet, not a middle school debate club. If you don't like what's being said to you then get off. PLENTY of people who "believe in the Bible" don't have the narrow-minded views you have on sexuality. Are you going to try and say they're less Christian than you are? Because I'm sure they'd beg to differ. 1. lifetimefanofqueen brought it up. I just responded to it. Either way, we are all responsible for keeping this conversation going 2. What's narrow-minded about my views on homosexuality? I simply don't believe that it is right. I'm not trying to insult anybody or anything like that. I'm just sharing my views 3. thanks for pointing out my typo. 4. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong and I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God. 5. Keep talking if you wish. I'm going to go now. Bye. |
| Sergei. 21.12.2010 18:53 |
lalaalalaa wrote: 1. lifetimefanofqueen brought it up. I just responded to it. Either way, we are all responsible for keeping this conversation going 2. What's narrow-minded about my views on homosexuality? I simply don't believe that it is right. I'm not trying to insult anybody or anything like that. I'm just sharing my views 3. thanks for pointing out my typo. 4. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong and I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God. 5. Keep talking if you wish. I'm going to go now. Bye. I'll answer in cute numbered bullets just like you did! 1.) The only one who's adamant on making this "conversation" go away is you, for obvious reasons. 2.) Because Christians like you who say things like "I simply don't believe that it is right" and try to use the Bible to deem homosexuality to be an "alternative lifestyle choice" (and a bad one at that) are the ones who keep gay and lesbian Christians from feeling comfortable with who they are –– homosexual AND Christian –– even though they KNOW their sexuality isn't a choice. Yet they feel torn between their religion and their sexuality because they're afraid being openly gay will somehow make them a BAD Christian, which leads to alienation of friends and family who have these views, resulting in low self esteem, misery, depression, and altogether leading an unsatisfactory, unfulfilled life. These people should NOT have to feel this way simply because they get the impression from people like yourself that it's wrong to be homosexual, and that, therefore, being homosexual and Christian is just unheard of. What gives you the right to try to take away someone else's happiness or self-esteem? 3.) Spell-check should have pointed it before me –– you should pay attention to the red dotted line next time, or maybe you're colourblind? 4.) You still didn't address my point about following ALL of the Bible, now, did you? 5.) You said that on page 2 of this topic, yet you continue to respond to my and other people's posts. But you can go ahead and stop talking if you want. You've already made a pretty big doofus of yourself. "Bye." |
| lalaalalaa 21.12.2010 19:02 |
Sergei. wrote: lalaalalaa wrote: 1. lifetimefanofqueen brought it up. I just responded to it. Either way, we are all responsible for keeping this conversation going 2. What's narrow-minded about my views on homosexuality? I simply don't believe that it is right. I'm not trying to insult anybody or anything like that. I'm just sharing my views 3. thanks for pointing out my typo. 4. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong and I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God. 5. Keep talking if you wish. I'm going to go now. Bye. I'll answer in cute numbered bullets just like you did! 1.) The only one who's adamant on making this "conversation" go away is you, for obvious reasons. 2.) Because Christians like you who say things like "I simply don't believe that it is right" and try to use the Bible to deem homosexuality to be an "alternative lifestyle choice" (and a bad one at that) are the ones who keep gay and lesbian Christians from feeling comfortable with who they are –– homosexual AND Christian –– even though they KNOW their sexuality isn't a choice. Yet they feel torn between their religion and their sexuality because they're afraid being openly gay will somehow make them a BAD Christian, which leads to alienation of friends and family who have these views, resulting in low self esteem, misery, depression, and altogether leading an unsatisfactory, unfulfilled life. These people should NOT have to feel this way simply because they get the impression from people like yourself that it's wrong to be homosexual, and that, therefore, being homosexual and Christian is just unheard of. What gives you the right to try to take away someone else's happiness or self-esteem? 3.) Spell-check should have pointed it before me –– you should pay attention to the red dotted line next time, or maybe you're colourblind? 4.) You still didn't address my point about following ALL of the Bible, now, did you? 5.) You said that on page 2 of this topic, yet you continue to respond to my and other people's posts. But you can go ahead and stop talking if you want. You've already made a pretty big doofus of yourself. "Bye." I'm not making any homosexual Christian uncomfortable. I'm not going around torching homosexuality, I'm just saying I simply don't think it's right. I just want everyone to get along. But it's hard to do that when everybody is (in my eyes) overly sensitive. P.S. I don't usually use Spell Check. |
| Sergei. 21.12.2010 19:08 |
The spell check is automatic. + You said you were going to stop talking and you didn't. That makes you a liar. Lying is a sin. You know what happens to sinners. |
| lalaalalaa 21.12.2010 19:11 |
The spell check isn't automatic on my computer. I didn't lie as much as I did change my mind. Don't worry, though. I can guarantee you that I will sin again before the night is over. Speaking of which, if homosexuals choose to ask forgiveness then I see nothing wrong. But if they deliberately go against God that makes them disobediant children. |
| Sergei. 21.12.2010 19:17 |
In other words, you expect that homosexuals must fight their (natural) sexual urges and refuse to allow their sexual leanings to physically manifest themselves in spite of their feelings. In the same way that you could have stopped talking in spite of your urge to respond. |
| lalaalalaa 21.12.2010 19:44 |
In all honesty, I don't know what God wants of us. I'm only human (and I'm surely no prophet) |
| user name 21.12.2010 21:29 |
>lalaalalaa wrote: >In all honesty, I don't know what God wants of us. I'm only human (and I'm surely no prophet) Then stop judging others on that basis. For all you know, God could so much as prefer homosexuals, and there isn't an iota of evidence that suggests either way. Er...that is, if we make the simply ludicrous assumption that there exists such a "god." Bonus Protip: Never make an appeal to nature - it just proves you to be an idiot, and we certainly wouldn't want that. link |
| lalaalalaa 21.12.2010 21:38 |
user name wrote: >lalaalalaa wrote: >In all honesty, I don't know what God wants of us. I'm only human (and I'm surely no prophet) Then stop judging others on that basis. For all you know, God could so much as prefer homosexuals, and there isn't an iota of evidence that suggests either way. Er...that is, if we make the simply ludicrous assumption that there exists such a "god." Bonus Protip: Never make an appeal to nature - it just proves you to be an idiot, and we certainly wouldn't want that. link Have you ever even read the Bible? |
| user name 22.12.2010 01:48 |
lalaalalaa wrote: >Have you ever even read the Bible? Yes. Have you? link |
| catqueen 22.12.2010 04:31 |
Wow... lalalalalaa, i think maybe what u meant when u said initially about 'tolerating' homosexuality everywhere, was maybe that u dislike having ppls sexuality shoved in your face? It SOUNDED like u were saying u want homosexuality banned or something, but based on what ur saying in the last few posts, i think maybe ur first post just came out sounding a lot stronger then u meant it. If u have no problem with gay ppl, but simply believe that it is sin, then i dont see how that is intolerant, really. I assume that u also believe that uncommitted straight sex is wrong, and nobody is going to torch u for that, as long as u arent going around abusing ppl because of it. To me, disagreeiing with something is not 'intolerant' as such, but impingiing on ppls rights IS. So believe what u want, but dont deny ppl their rights while u believe it. I have friends who do things that i believe are wrong or even evil. It doesnt affect our friendship. They can believe what they want, i can believe what i want, and we choose to respect each others beliefs. I feel that tolerance does not mean that i have to believe that they are right, just that i will respect their choices and value them as people equal to me, with the same rights as me. There are ppl who feel that my lifestyle has some parts to it that are wrong, and if they are respectful, it doesnt bother me that they disagree with me, as long as they dont go around condemning me and pressuring me to be like them. And if they do, then yes, it does bother me, obviously. So i think its equally intolerant to be torching lalalalaa when he is now trying to back down a bit. I know the first post was very strong, and i reacted to that also. BUT if he didnt actually mean it to be as strong as it sounded, then maybe its time to give him a break. We all say things more strongly then we intend to sometimes, and he's young. And i believe that he has the right to believe what he wants to, as long as it isnt hurting anyone. And i knwo u can argue that negative attitudes to homosexuality contribute to a culture of repression and pain for (perticularly) young gays trying to make sense of whats happening and trying to come out, and facing huge societal pressure to conform. But frankly, like i said, i have friends who i totally disagree with some of their lifestyle choices and it DOES NOT interfere in our friendship. And i mean that, and ppl could back me up on it too, its not like the conservative 'i dont judge u, God does, and i love u but ur wrong' attitude. Equally, i have friends who totally disagree with some stuff in my life and again it DOES NOT interfere with our friendship. You dont have to agree with everything to be supportive. And now IM going to get torched. :( |
| lalaalalaa 22.12.2010 09:15 |
Thanks, catqueen. Someone finally gets it. My friends saw a billboard that showed the nativity scene and it said "You know it's a myth". Has nothing to do with gays or anything, but still. It'd be nice if everyone just left everyone else alone. |
| user name 22.12.2010 11:54 |
That's nonsense. To say "to each his own," so long as one does not infringe upon the rights of others - well, that's a great legal standard, but a poor ethical standard. Contrary to popular belief, opinions are subject to the rigors of logic and reason. If an opinion is not internally consistent, or if it is based upon incorrect assumptions, it is wrong, plain and simple. Likewise, one must apply the rigors of logic and reason to his own personal morality. Therefore, one cannot simply say, "X is wrong because the Bible says so," unless one is willing to also say, "Every wrong stipulated in the Bible is held to be wrong by me as well." Read that letter to Dr. Laura - do you agree with every line therein? If not, you cannot use this as a moral justification. What about, "X is wrong because it is unnatural?" Well, do you eschew all that is unnatural? Of course not. That's impossible. However, notwithstanding that, you have absolutely no justification to establish that natural = good and unnatural = bad. That conclusion is completely nonsensical. So what, may I ask, arguments could possibly be left to condemn homosexuality as immoral, as a sin, or as just plain wrong? You CANNOT simply say it's wrong because it's wrong, because that is incontrovertible proof that you yourself are wrong. That's called begging the question, or circular reasoning. Don't be stupid. If you cannot comprehensively rebut this argument, on this forum or even in your mind, just realize that you are wrong, and it's as simple as that. |
| lalaalalaa 22.12.2010 15:54 |
Opinions aren't wrong. You either agree with them or you don't. There's a big difference. |
| Holly2003 22.12.2010 17:29 |
link This ancient example of racial interbreeding is unnatural and disgusting. How dare those phucking Denisovans get it on with our Homo-sapien chicks. It's wrong I tells ya! Clearly these so-called scientists are wrong about why the other 3 races of humanoids died out. Obviously they, along with the dinosaurs, just weren't fast enough to make it onto Noah's Ark. Although why Velociraptors didn't make it is beyond me. They were fast little buggers. |
| Sergei. 22.12.2010 17:40 |
lalaalalaa wrote: Opinions aren't wrong. You either agree with them or you don't. There's a big difference. I just find it extremely strange that the only people who really try their damnedest to assert that homosexuality is a choice are always heterosexual. I mean, how in the hell would you know for sure whether or not homosexuality is a choice if you're not a homosexual yourself? There are, I'm sure, plenty of homosexual people out there who, if asked, would say that if they could change their sexuality completely so that they could be "straight," they'd do it in a heartbeat. Also, I'm sure you've heard this before, but: Did you choose to be straight? I'm sure your answer will be something along the lines of "No, but that's because it's natural for people to be heterosexual, they don't have to make the decision to be that way." In which case you'd be going right down the road of the "appeal to nature" argument –– that's a pretty lame ass excuse for an argument. You don't know what the fuck is natural and what isn't. If homosexuality isn't natural, why is there scientific proof that penguins and dolphins (and a myriad of other animals) display homosexual behavior in their natural habitats, evident from birth? Do you think homosexual tendencies are a choice among wild animals too? Or do you just deny the fact that evidence like that even exists (in the same way that some Christians love acting like the dinosaurs didn't exist in spite of fossils, bones, teeth, etc. that suggest otherwise)? |
| lalaalalaa 22.12.2010 19:08 |
I've had many homosexual tendencies, but I try my best to stay straight and I still have as happy of a life as possible. I was never normal to begin with though. I have Asperger's Syndrome and on top of that I have depression (runs in the family). I'm currently trying to break a bad habit that I'm having trouble with now. From where I see things, Christianity isn't a bad thing, just a religion with bad people. Christianity teaches lots of good things (Love your neighbor, don't steal, don't kill, and you know the rest). |
| lalaalalaa 22.12.2010 19:13 |
And about the dinosaur part, I really don't have any idea if they truely did exist. I'm sure it's quite possible. Just because we have bones, doesn't mean we had actual dinosaurs. They could possibly be remains of creatures going through strange evolution, mutation, or just had birth defects. As far as animals go, man is created in God's image, not animals. God created man to rule over the animals (that doesn't mean I support animal abuse or anything like that). Simple enough, yes? |
| Sergei. 22.12.2010 20:00 |
"God created man to rule over the animals (that doesn't mean I support animal abuse or anything like that). Simple enough, yes? " No, because I don't believe in that shit. + "MAN" is an animal. We are warm blooded creatures and female members of the human species produce milk to nourish their young. That makes us mammals. We are filed under the animalia kingdom, and we're members of the "great ape family," or Hominidae. That qualifies us as animals, therefore we don't rule over anybody. Granted, we might be more sophisticated than naked mole rats, and we might possess higher order thinking skills (not everyone, of course), but we're still animals. There's no way around that. |
| lalaalalaa 22.12.2010 20:10 |
Categorized by humans............it must be true! (sarcasm). Reptiles lay eggs, so does that mean they are types of birds? |
| Sergei. 22.12.2010 20:16 |
lalaalalaa wrote: Categorized by humans............it must be true! (sarcasm). Reptiles lay eggs, so does that mean they are types of birds? Bugs also lay eggs. So do fish. Did your sunday school teacher tell you that only birds were able to lay eggs? |
| lalaalalaa 22.12.2010 20:18 |
"We are warm blooded creatures and female members of the human species produce milk to nourish their young. That makes us mammals. We are filed under the animalia kingdom, and we're members of the "great ape family," or Hominidae. That qualifies us as animals, therefore we don't rule over anybody." I was referring to this^^^^^^^^^ |
| Sergei. 22.12.2010 20:24 |
That still didn't answer my question. But why do you continue to argue with me (and others) when you repeatedly say you don't feel like arguing anymore? You're doing a very poor job of making your points so I suggest you just, you know, give up. |
| lalaalalaa 22.12.2010 20:31 |
It's another day. :D What question? The Sunday school question? If that, then no. |
| john bodega 22.12.2010 20:43 |
"God created man to rule over the animals (that doesn't mean I support animal abuse or anything like that). Simple enough, yes?" Very simple. it's also bullshit. |
| lalaalalaa 22.12.2010 20:59 |
Well nobody was asking you to believe it. I don't see why you have to be so rude about it. |
| Donna13 22.12.2010 22:01 |
I think that people who study the Bible realize that you can't be sure of anything due to the various stories and messages being handed down from generation to generation, then written down eventually, then translated more than once from one language to another, maybe influenced by the rulers in the church at the time, etc. etc. So, for example, instead of "God created man to rule over the animals," the original idea might have been, "God gave humans the ability to care for the animals or raise animals," or something similar and it might have been referring to sheep or chickens or dogs and it might have been useful as a way to explain to children why certain things were the custom of the time. I'm just making this up as an example. And I believe there are ongoing disputes as to what Jesus did and did not say, what was added later, what was made up, etc. At the most, I think we can view the Bible as a great resource of the thinking and the customs back in those days. But we can't be 100 percent sure of the literal translation of any of the ideas or stories because so much time has passed, and much might have been lost or changed from the original meanings or sayings or stories. |
| Holly2003 23.12.2010 02:56 |
lalaalalaa wrote: And about the dinosaur part, I really don't have any idea if they truely did exist. I'm sure it's quite possible. Just because we have bones, doesn't mean we had actual dinosaurs. They could possibly be remains of creatures going through strange evolution, mutation, or just had birth defects. As far as animals go, man is created in God's image, not animals. God created man to rule over the animals (that doesn't mean I support animal abuse or anything like that). Simple enough, yes? ======================================================================================== Yes, "a bit simple" is what I was thinking too... |
| john bodega 23.12.2010 06:57 |
"Well nobody was asking you to believe it. I don't see why you have to be so rude about it." Was I being rude again? Sorry. Put it this way - I'm just baffled that this sort of thing is still going on. It's like those people who still think the Apollo landing was faked, even though *every* single conspiracy theory that has been posited has also been solidly debunked. Something I have a hard time explaining to people is that just because the Bible is a load of goat turd doesn't mean that there cannot be (or is not) something going on in the universe that there isn't a scientific explanation for. I have absolutely no doubt that some lucky folk are in touch with this facet of existence, or consciousness, or whatever. I think humanity is a bit old to be falsely attributing it to religious texts that would have (at best) only a peripheral relevance to whatever it is that goes on out there. I'll agree to stop giving the Bible a hard time when the folks in charge of it do some heavy duty editing. |
| *goodco* 23.12.2010 14:53 |
to lalaa x2: I give you credit for understanding some aspects (and would criticize other aspects) of your beliefs at such a young age. It was not until I got out of Catholic School and listened to 'Jesus Christ Superstar' before I rejected 95% of the semi-brainwashing (Methusalah lived until he was almost 1000 years old.....puhleeze). But it was pushed on me day after day for years .............. It still was a good way to view certain aspects of what has gone on in this planet: 'thou shalt not kill, rob, et al' And.....it took me until my mid 20's to accept a certain relative's homosexuality. Didn't hate him, just didn't really understand it then..........that was my naivety and the times. He served in Vietnam. Bless him this moves me back to the 'don't ask don't tell' repeal in the USA. From 5:50 to 9:20.....and from 19:15 until the ending seven minutes later. 22:05-22:50 are the best link btw......dinosaurs did exist. Noah just didn't have room for them;-)) And..........Freddie would be proud. Happy Winter Solstice. |
| lalaalalaa 23.12.2010 15:53 |
That doesn't make sense though. God told Noah 2 of every animal (then there was something about 7 animals and such). Did Noah upset God when he didn't bring the dinos? |
| *goodco* 23.12.2010 17:01 |
OK.........I tried. I give up. The world is not flat, the sun does not revolve around the earth, and please avoid shellfish at all costs.... |
| lalaalalaa 23.12.2010 18:01 |
What do you mean? I was just joking about the dino part. The world is certainly round, I like shrimp, and I don't remember the other one. |
| catqueen 24.12.2010 08:18 |
hm... ok im trying to keep up with all this and cant remember who said what.... but whoever asked lalalaala to explain his views abt homosexuality without refering to the Bible... ok, it probably couldnt be done... on the other hand, i doubt htat u could come up with a good argument for no straight sex without being married either without refering to the Bible (or other religious text). So again, i dont believe that it is particularly anti-gay if a person believes that ALL non-marital sex is wrong. Just that the gay part gets more attention, plus it is unfair in that gay ppl cant get married in most places, so thats out then. But if u expect a straight OR gay single person to be celibate, it is not particularly anti-gay, imo. and come on, its christmas... can we have some peace and goodwill? |
| lalaalalaa 24.12.2010 09:40 |
Well I also believe in no sex before marriage. Peace and goodwill is fine, but you were the only one still posting (as well as me) XD |
| Sergei. 24.12.2010 10:01 |
That's probably because everyone else got tired of talking to you. |