| lifetimefanofqueen 04.11.2010 17:33 |
what do we all think of jims book about his relationship with Freddie? personaly i think its awesome! its a good way to read about him from one of the closest people to him, its quite funny about how they met to, and its good to read about all freddies friends etc......... im about half way through now, i love it =D |
| PrimeJiveUSA 04.11.2010 19:02 |
Ohhhh...lifetimefan...it's such a good, engrossing read! The thing that sticks with me most about this book is his perceptions of how all of those close to Freddie acted AFTER the funeral..."cruel laughter" etc. Great book... I don't care what anyone says. |
| Crazy LittleThing 04.11.2010 20:26 |
lifetimefanofqueen wrote: what do we all think of jims book about his relationship with Freddie? personaly i think its awesome! its a good way to read about him from one of the closest people to him, its quite funny about how they met to, and its good to read about all freddies friends etc......... im about half way through now, i love it =D Define "awesome". |
| jpf 05.11.2010 01:03 |
I liked Jim Hutton's book and Peter Freestone's book. Interesting to see what a normal day at home was like for Freddie. I wish both books had more photos of Garden Lodge. It was interesting to find out that the band members (particularly John) really didn't go to Garden Lodge often and that they didn't socialize much (which is common in most bands). Both books treated Mary fairly, but I wish they would have really let her have it. I find her treatment of Jim, Peter, and Joe appalling. Freddie wouldn't have approved. Back to Jim's book, it was too bad that Freddie pushed away several of his closest friends towards the end. Freddie was very lucky to have Jim, Peter, and Joe in his life. The three of them were his family. |
| Jazz 78 05.11.2010 05:54 |
A lot of people dismiss this book because they feel that it's disrepectful to Freddie and how much of a private person he could be and exposing such intricate details. I personally enjoyed learning more about Freddie "the man" and not just the rock star. In past interviews, Hutton said it was very theraputic for him to write this as he was still in pain after losing Fred. And he was very respectful of Freddie in my opinion. It never changed my mind about the man. |
| The Real Wizard 05.11.2010 09:39 |
Oh boy, here comes the Mary hating squad again... armed with all their knowledge from the internet and books that must all be true.. |
| plumrach 05.11.2010 10:13 |
Well said Sir Gh |
| paulosham 05.11.2010 11:02 |
Awesome - adjective inspiring awe: an awesome sight I don't read any of these books because they are exploitative of the person they are written about. Fred was a private person and I don't think that he would have liked his private life on show for all to read about. |
| *goodco* 05.11.2010 15:05 |
'We were not amused'. It read very much like a junior highschooler wrote it. At times, informative. At other times, juvenile. And also.....painful. Had Freddie provided a better send off financial package, I feel this narrative would have been done more professionally, with various comments eliminated,....or not at all. |
| mooghead 05.11.2010 17:40 |
Written by someone who knew he would make money by describing the despicable details of Freddie's final moments and knew Freddie for only a small part of his life. |
| jpf 06.11.2010 02:25 |
Sir GH wrote: Oh boy, here comes the Mary hating squad again... armed with all their knowledge from the internet and books that must all be true.. ---- And here you are crying about it. Again. Mary's in her prison doing her time. Joe (for a very short time), Jim, and Peter were able to move on with their lives. It's apparent that you think Freddie would have approved of Mary's behavior towards Joe, Jim, and Peter. |
| jpf 06.11.2010 02:34 |
mooghead wrote: Written by someone who knew he would make money by describing the despicable details of Freddie's final moments and knew Freddie for only a small part of his life. --- You forgot about the part where Jim, along with Joe and Peter, took care of this person 24/7 so that he wouldn't have to be put into a nursing home and die amongst strangers. BTW, six years wasn't "only a small part of his life". |
| Pim Derks 06.11.2010 03:33 |
The book it's not that bad - but details like Freddie pissing in bed, breaking bones and choking on mangos didn't have to be put in there. Though, to be fair, they've been the topics of lots of jokes in the last couple of years - so we should thank Jim for that. Pee pee. |
| mooghead 06.11.2010 15:55 |
jpf wrote: mooghead wrote: Written by someone who knew he would make money by describing the despicable details of Freddie's final moments and knew Freddie for only a small part of his life. --- You forgot about the part where Jim, along with Joe and Peter, took care of this person 24/7 so that he wouldn't have to be put into a nursing home and die amongst strangers. BTW, six years wasn't "only a small part of his life". Yes, because Freddie Mercury would have been put into a nursing home with strangers.... he was skint after all. No 24 hour private nursing care for him. No siree...... |
| jpf 07.11.2010 00:44 |
mooghead wrote: jpf wrote: mooghead wrote: Written by someone who knew he would make money by describing the despicable details of Freddie's final moments and knew Freddie for only a small part of his life. --- You forgot about the part where Jim, along with Joe and Peter, took care of this person 24/7 so that he wouldn't have to be put into a nursing home and die amongst strangers. BTW, six years wasn't "only a small part of his life". Yes, because Freddie Mercury would have been put into a nursing home with strangers.... he was skint after all. No 24 hour private nursing care for him. No siree...... --- Freddie considered Peter, Joe,and Jim his family. Freddie did not want to die alone or amongst strangers. |
| john bodega 07.11.2010 03:16 |
As always, plenty of people around to talk about Freddie's personal life. Number of people in this thread who were there : 0. |
| lifetimefanofqueen 07.11.2010 07:55 |
Zebonka12 wrote: As always, plenty of people around to talk about Freddie's personal life. Number of people in this thread who were there : 0. lol, the number result looks like face! |
| jpf 08.11.2010 02:21 |
Zebonka12 wrote: As always, plenty of people around to talk about Freddie's personal life. Number of people in this thread who were there : 0. --- Jim Hutton was there. So was Peter Freestone. That's what we are discussing. You've brought nothing to the discussion. You can leave now. |
| freddiefan91 08.11.2010 04:10 |
We can argue about this until the end of time but at the end of the day Freddie left Mary with the house, he left no written instruction that Jim should be allowed to stay in the house and we only have Jim's word for this and Freddie left Jim, Peter and Joe very well off with the money he left them If you were going to leave sombeody your house and half your estate would you leave it to somebody you have known and loved for over 20 years or somebody you have known for only 5--6 years? None of us know exactly what went on and we can only speculate |
| john bodega 08.11.2010 05:24 |
"Jim Hutton was there.So was Peter Freestone.That's what we are discussing." You are not Jim Hutton, Peter Freestone, or Mary Austin. YOU bring nothing to the discussion, save your opinion. Which itself is hilariously out of touch anyway. My point stands; in a conversation about Freddie's personal life, considering that nobody in this thread is really qualified to comment (as the books were written by people that are not you), you shouldn't be feeling too authoritative about the subject matter. Say what you think about the book(s). Say what you think about the people involved, but don't talk as though you know everything about them, because you don't. Stick to topics about KISS album sales, dude. |
| jpf 09.11.2010 23:15 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Jim Hutton was there.So was Peter Freestone.That's what we are discussing." You are not Jim Hutton, Peter Freestone, or Mary Austin. YOU bring nothing to the discussion, save your opinion. Which itself is hilariously out of touch anyway. My point stands; in a conversation about Freddie's personal life, considering that nobody in this thread is really qualified to comment (as the books were written by people that are not you), you shouldn't be feeling too authoritative about the subject matter. Say what you think about the book(s). Say what you think about the people involved, but don't talk as though you know everything about them, because you don't. Stick to topics about KISS album sales, dude. ----- I'll post whatever I like. If you don't like it you can go fuck yourself. Mary's in her own private hell. She got what she deserved. BTW, your point doesn't stand. It's only your opinion. You can fuck off now. |
| freddiefan91 10.11.2010 03:58 |
@jpf presumably you know mary personally then to be able to say what you said? otherwise how do you know whether she is happy or not? |
| Bigfish 10.11.2010 07:43 |
RIP Jim Hutton.. |
| john bodega 10.11.2010 09:47 |
"I'll post whatever I like. If you don't like it you can go fuck yourself.Mary's in her own private hell. She got what she deserved.BTW, your point doesn't stand. It's only your opinion.You can fuck off now. " Yeah, my point does stand actually. You (a person that is definitely not Freddie Mercury, Jim Hutton, Peter Freestone, Mary Austin, and is not close personal friends with these people, and was not present during any of the events you are deigning to talk about) have no idea what you are talking about. PS. You forgot to add: "KISS Sonic Boom Tour, rocking all over Europe and your face". |
| jpf 11.11.2010 03:13 |
freddiefan91 wrote: @jpf presumably you know mary personally then to be able to say what you said? otherwise how do you know whether she is happy or not? --- She mentioned that she had anxiety when she was first responsible for Garden Lodge. This was mentioned in the interview that she conducted at Garden Lodge. She has gone on record saying that she didn't want Garden Lodge in the first place and tried to convince Freddie to open the mansion as a museum which he told her not to do. |
| jpf 11.11.2010 03:15 |
Bigfish wrote: RIP Jim Hutton.. ---- And Joe Fanelli. |
| jpf 11.11.2010 03:18 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "I'll post whatever I like. If you don't like it you can go fuck yourself.Mary's in her own private hell. She got what she deserved.BTW, your point doesn't stand. It's only your opinion.You can fuck off now. " Yeah, my point does stand actually. You (a person that is definitely not Freddie Mercury, Jim Hutton, Peter Freestone, Mary Austin, and is not close personal friends with these people, and was not present during any of the events you are deigning to talk about) have no idea what you are talking about. PS. You forgot to add: "KISS Sonic Boom Tour, rocking all over Europe and your face". ---- KISS already rocked Europe. Try to keep up, dumbass. Your point doesn't stand. It's only your opinion. |
| john bodega 11.11.2010 04:28 |
Donny, you're out of your element. |
| Dane 11.11.2010 04:29 |
What the hell is up here?!?! You should never read or not read a book because of the motives it was written for.. Who cares if Jim wanted to make some money.. good for him. If you want to know more about private Freddie, read the book, if you don't... then don't Describing his anguish in such detail only shows the terror of AIDS, and in no way affects the dignity of Freddie. But that might just be the point of view from which you read this book. Words rarely mean what you think they mean. know what i mean? right, enough time spent on this. I'm off to read John Deacons book on Freddies underpants collection |
| freddiefan91 11.11.2010 05:05 |
freddiefan91 wrote: @jpf presumably you know mary personally then to be able to say what you said? otherwise how do you know whether she is happy or not? --- JPF Wrote She mentioned that she had anxiety when she was first responsible for Garden Lodge. This was mentioned in the interview that she conducted at Garden Lodge. She has gone on record saying that she didn't want Garden Lodge in the first place and tried to convince Freddie to open the mansion as a museum which he told her not to do. ______________________________________________________________________________________ yes i know about that but you dont think that in the last 19 years or so she may have started to feel better about things? After all she remarried so she must be happier in some ways, |
| Holly2003 11.11.2010 05:20 |
Why would a married woman with kids want to share her home with a bunch of her old boyfriend's gay lovers? It would be like having a Kiss convention in your home every day. Hell indeed. |
| Sebastian 11.11.2010 05:50 |
> It would be like having a Kiss convention in your home every day. Hell indeed. Best. Comment. Ever. |
| Amazon 11.11.2010 08:49 |
Holly2003 wrote: "It would be like having a Kiss convention in your home every day. Hell indeed." Yeh, this is a great commment! :D BTW, jpf, you probably shouldn't pick a fight with Zebonka. He's so out of your league it's not even funny. |
| john bodega 11.11.2010 11:25 |
The best way to tell if jpf/skip has lost a fight is if his Starchild makeup is runny. Not to worry though, this video ought to help him reapply. link He should probably change to a more resilient brand of facepaint. Preferably something with lead in it. |
| jpf 12.11.2010 01:50 |
freddiefan91 wrote: freddiefan91 wrote: @jpf presumably you know mary personally then to be able to say what you said? otherwise how do you know whether she is happy or not? --- JPF Wrote She mentioned that she had anxiety when she was first responsible for Garden Lodge. This was mentioned in the interview that she conducted at Garden Lodge. She has gone on record saying that she didn't want Garden Lodge in the first place and tried to convince Freddie to open the mansion as a museum which he told her not to do. ______________________________________________________________________________________ yes i know about that but you dont think that in the last 19 years or so she may have started to feel better about things? After all she remarried so she must be happier in some ways, --- She's reminded/haunted of Freddie 24/7 by living in the house that he paid for and refurbished. |
| jpf 12.11.2010 01:54 |
Holly2003 wrote: Why would a married woman with kids want to share her home with a bunch of her old boyfriend's gay lovers? It would be like having a Kiss convention in your home every day. Hell indeed. ---- She shouldn't have been given the house in the first place. It should have been left to Jim, Joe, and Peter. They were the people who were living there when Freddie died. Freddie had already purchased the flat that Mary was living in. |
| jpf 12.11.2010 01:57 |
Sebastian wrote: > It would be like having a Kiss convention in your home every day. Hell indeed. Best. Comment. Ever. ---- Most. Uniformed. Comment. Ever. Then again look who that comment came from. Definitely the most unintelligent person to call themself a Queen fan. |
| jpf 12.11.2010 02:01 |
Amazon wrote: Holly2003 wrote: "It would be like having a Kiss convention in your home every day. Hell indeed." Yeh, this is a great commment! :D BTW, jpf, you probably shouldn't pick a fight with Zebonka. He's so out of your league it's not even funny. ---- The guy's got the intelligence of a steaming pile of shit. Your endorsement of him doesn't speak well for you. |
| jpf 12.11.2010 02:09 |
Zebonka12 wrote: The best way to tell if jpf/skip has lost a fight is if his Starchild makeup is runny. Not to worry though, this video ought to help him reapply. link He should probably change to a more resilient brand of facepaint. Preferably something with lead in it. --- Her message at the end says it all. |
| freddiefan91 12.11.2010 02:32 |
@jpf Of course she is reminded of him, they played a big part in each others lives for many many years and maybe Mary does not want to forget him but she can still be happy in herself in other ways, freddie would not of wanted her to mope for the rest of her life im sure!!! its like how brian whenever he is asked about freddie he always says that he thinks abotu him every day and i believe him because he was and looked devasted for a long time after freddie died You cant forget somebody like Freddie!!!! |
| Amazon 12.11.2010 08:18 |
jpf wrote: "The guy's got the intelligence of a steaming pile of shit. Your endorsement of him doesn't speak well for you." :D To say that I don't care what you think would be the understatement of the century. As I said, you shouldn't pick a fight with Zebonka; he may have 'the intelligence of a steaming pile of shit' but he's still far more intelligent than you. |
| john bodega 12.11.2010 12:44 |
"he may have 'the intelligence of a steaming pile of shit' but he's still far more intelligent than you." Wrong, Right, and in that order. God I love this place. |
| mike hunt 12.11.2010 14:14 |
it's been almost 20 years people, get over it already!........ |
| jpf 12.11.2010 22:13 |
Amazon wrote: jpf wrote: "The guy's got the intelligence of a steaming pile of shit. Your endorsement of him doesn't speak well for you." :D To say that I don't care what you think would be the understatement of the century. As I said, you shouldn't pick a fight with Zebonka; he may have 'the intelligence of a steaming pile of shit' but he's still far more intelligent than you. ----- You share the same characteristics as him: lacking intelligence, boring, humorless, brings nothing to the party. You can get back to your Amazon/Zebonka circle jerk now. |
| john bodega 12.11.2010 22:57 |
Not that I want to interrupt a good thing, here, but whose opinion of me would be more reliable : that of people who know me/work with me, or that of skip/jpf who's had his ass kicked a few too many times on QZ? |
| jpf 13.11.2010 02:17 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Not that I want to interrupt a good thing, here, but whose opinion of me would be more reliable : that of people who know me/work with me, or that of skip/jpf who's had his ass kicked a few too many times on QZ? ---- 10420 posts You must be so proud. LOL You're an idiot. Nothing special about you at all. If you being an asshole on a Queen discussion board is all you've got going on in your life, then that's either pathetic or incredibly funny. 10420 posts LOL Get a fucking life. |
| Bigfish 13.11.2010 04:03 |
Actually that's a post a day for the last 28 and a half years... |
| john bodega 13.11.2010 05:42 |
"10420 postsLOLGet a fucking life. " That's nothing! You're not even counting my alter ego, Sir GH. |
| Amazon 13.11.2010 09:41 |
jpf wrote: "You share the same characteristics as him: lacking intelligence, boring, humorless, brings nothing to the party. You can get back to your Amazon/Zebonka circle jerk now." Right, whatever you say. Coming from you, these are compliments. |
| jpf 13.11.2010 21:21 |
Bigfish wrote: Actually that's a post a day for the last 28 and a half years... --- That's a pathetic way to live a life. |
| john bodega 14.11.2010 00:00 |
I could think of worse things. |
| jpf 14.11.2010 03:01 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I could think of worse things. --- Like living in your dead gay friend's house and having 3 of his gay friends hate your guts. LOL |
| Day dop 08.11.2012 06:24 |
I finally got around to getting that book. And my thoughts regarding Mary - She gave 'em three months to move out. It could've been worse for 'em - like, "Get out by tomorrow". Jim was alright really, though I can see people's issues with him, telling the personal stuff. But hey, people bought the book, as did I. Seems to me, he couldn't get over Mary's decisions. But all in all, like someone else said here - It never altered my view of Fred. |
| Invisible Woman 02.09.2017 08:34 |
I know the topic was a few years ago but I wasn't here then. I apologize to anyone who doesn't like to see old threads. As I said in some other threads, I like the book very much. I see that some other discussions have been conducted in previous years. My intention is to talk about a book (of course, if someone wants it) because there is a thread about it. If there is someone who likes (or not) a book and wants to talk about it, I would like to discuss it a bit. To begin with, I would single out some funniest parts that made me laugh: -In Japan,Freddie wanted to wear a new shirt, but it was badly creased and Joe and Jim managed it with a metal hot-plate. -When first time Jim drove Freddie in the Volvo to the studio. -When Jim brought a kitten and wanted to hide him, and his tail was sticking out from under his jacket. There is more this, but this came to mind first. |
| Stelios 02.09.2017 08:46 |
By the way , is the text of the book available on-line? Like in pdf or something? |
| Seed_Of_Rhy 02.09.2017 11:20 |
I think Jim lived in the fictional world when pairing Freddie, He persuaded himself that Freddie was love of his life and that the feeling is mutual. In fact, Jim was just live-in sex partner with creative mind and competence in doing household things e.t.c. And he was naive, warm-hearted and generous as Mercury himself, Kinda Soul Brother + trouble-free lover. In the other hand it was'nt Freddie's blame of treating his live-in mates and esp. Jim that way. He understood clearly he could not have heterosexual family or proper gay one. So he built likeness of a family instead. And the basis of this likeness was only his memories and imaginary notion. It's hard to judge was it for good or bad. |
| Seed_Of_Rhy 02.09.2017 11:32 |
Invisible Woman wrote: To begin with, I would single out some funniest parts that made me laugh: -In Japan,Freddie wanted to wear a new shirt, but it was badly creased and Joe and Jim managed it with a metal hot-plate. -When first time Jim drove Freddie in the Volvo to the studio. -When Jim brought a kitten and wanted to hide him, and his tail was sticking out from under his jacket. There is more this, but this came to mind first.Yeah, me self had great deal of laugh with this. Also, can remember some other funnies: - the search for hibachis in the little japanese antiques shop. Jim was on his knees on the floor, and grabblin' trying to find the vase that Freddie wanted on the shelves. - First (and second) Jim's meeting with Bowie (in barber shop) and on Live Aid that day. Think the whole japanese part was more fun then the other chapters dealing with routine life and descriptions of illness taking over. Oh, maybe except paragraphs where Montserrat Caballe had been mentioned! :)) |
| Invisible Woman 05.09.2017 07:48 |
Because is Freddie's birthday today... Jim in book describes several birthday celebrations. I'll mention this one:1986,then he gave Freddie a ring and later was Mad Hat party. |
| LOTV 05.09.2017 11:36 |
I've heard the book as a salacious invasion of privacy. As to him being pissed off with people laughing and getting drunk at the 'wake' - I can't think of anything more appropriate for a man who was a lover of life, Heineken and Vodka. Happy Birthday Fred! |
| jenss85 06.09.2017 01:52 |
I found an old hard copy at a used bookstore and loved it. Great pics. I also downloaded it to my kindle, it is available on Amazon. |
| matt z 06.09.2017 08:08 |
Stelios wrote: By the way , is the text of the book available on-line? Like in pdf or something?I once searched for it on Google and found a fan blog where he'd hurriedly (*with some typos) posted it up as a long text narrative. That's where i read it. I believe it was the real thing. I spent 10 minutes browsing searching for it but I'm afraid i have no link. It's technically no longer in print, but they up there ^^ just said it's on Amazon for kindle. I'm still not with it. I use books when i can Update: i found the link by unfortunately typing in key words of narrative. Google: Freddie mercury and me Jim Hutton fanelli mango. Yes. Mango. Sorry guys. Though the link appears to be broken now as the narrative starts at page 50 inexplicably. I'd read it years ago. Also would not suggest going this route for fear of computer viruses etc. Hmm. Perhaps somebody will PM you a message with a proper pdf or typed doc. I don't see the harm in it as it's out of print. I doubt u would find it on a library catalogue but you could try that as well. Best of luck. |
| Hugowan 06.09.2017 17:52 |
Have not logged in for years but had to do it just to leave here a qwick reply: A few years ago, when I discovered the endless source of info about Queen that exists on the internet and tried to consume as much of it as I could, had the misfortune of reading such disrespectful money-grabbing piece of crap, so-called "book". After a couple chapters, I was decided to quit, but in the end I went all the usufferable rest to have the whole perspective and an informed opinion. End page done, I deleted the file and swore myself never ever think about such shameful text, much less care to learn anything else about its named author... |
| matt z 06.09.2017 20:51 |
^tell us how you REALLY feel |
| jozef 07.09.2017 05:53 |
For me it's a great book ... I bought it in 1996 in Polish Krakow :-) ... Jim didn't seem physically attractive to me, but as a person he has my sympathy ... |
| Invisible Woman 07.09.2017 18:37 |
Hugowan wrote: Have not logged in for years but had to do it just to leave here a qwick reply: A few years ago, when I discovered the endless source of info about Queen that exists on the internet and tried to consume as much of it as I could, had the misfortune of reading such disrespectful money-grabbing piece of crap, so-called "book". After a couple chapters, I was decided to quit, but in the end I went all the usufferable rest to have the whole perspective and an informed opinion. End page done, I deleted the file and swore myself never ever think about such shameful text, much less care to learn anything else about its named author...I see nothing shameful and disrespectful, on the contrary. After reading I even more fond of Freddie. But all right, everyone has his own point of view. |
| malicedoom 08.09.2017 03:09 |
I loved the book. So there. |