| pietrek 29.08.2010 10:59 |
Hi people!! Can anybody help me?? I want to see Freddie's photos from his last days (1990,1991). I've found 7,8 photos somewhere but i want to see more. Are photos from Montreux 1991 available? I've heard that there's a photo of Freddie in process of crematation but it wasn't confirmed. Thanks for help. Piotr |
| lifetimefanofqueen 29.08.2010 15:23 |
i use to have photos of Freddie from his last days, but ive never heard of the cremation thing tho, but if i see it i will cry, but when i get my laptop back from pc world and if i still have all my photoes on there i will try and find some for u, i'll have a look on google but im on my moms laptop and it is stupidly slow, i'll be back in mo, tho i think u've probably seen them before. |
| brians wig 30.08.2010 03:08 |
Hmmm. Freddies cremation? I think we are heading into the realms of either sickness or obsession here. Each to their own I suppose... |
| -fatty- 2850 30.08.2010 05:45 |
I have a couple photos of Freddie taken just before he died. They're super awsome and he's just lying in his bed like a skeleton with all tubes coming out his arms and shit and if you zoom in you can just see the grim reaper's hand just about to touch Fred's neck. I've also heard that there are photos of his corpse being removed from Garden Lodge and I'd give my left nut to see those. However, I do have to agree that looking for cremation pics is a bit sick. Wouldn't you prefer photos of Brian when he had hepatitus, Roger when he had his tonsils out or John's septic thumb? fatty. |
| Jam Monkey 30.08.2010 08:20 |
"In the process of cremation", what you mean half burned? Even if there where such a photo I woundn't want to see it. That is just sick. |
| Queenman!! 30.08.2010 08:22 |
pietrek1994 wrote: Hi people!! Can anybody help me?? I want to see Freddie's photos from his last days (1990,1991). I've found 7,8 photos somewhere but i want to see more. Are photos from Montreux 1991 available? I've heard that there's a photo of Freddie in process of crematation but it wasn't confirmed. Thanks for help. Piotr Why do you want those pics? What does it contribute to your life seeing those pictures? Imagine YOU beeing shot on camera with an assinfection strumbling down the streets of London. Were you happy. NO??!! Leave him to rest. These treads really upset me. Sorry for the rudeness |
| master marathon runner 30.08.2010 11:09 |
Extreme shame on you. Master Marathon Runner |
| lifetimefanofqueen 30.08.2010 13:16 |
ok im freaked out, proses of cremation. (i think i spelt it wrong but oh well) im freaked out 0_o |
| pietrek 30.08.2010 14:00 |
lifetimefanofqueen thank you very much :) Why are you people so angry about that? I'm just a fan and i want to know something about Freddie. If you don't want to send this pictures just say normally. Last photo? |
| danielehope 30.08.2010 23:49 |
Can someone post some rare photo about Freddie's last year? (1991) Or can someone send me them? A lot of people uses to give bad comments about people that want see these pictures BUT...i read that some Queenzoners have this pictures! Can you share these pictures? |
| rhapsody8 31.08.2010 01:43 |
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| freddiefan91 31.08.2010 05:06 |
Just get Jim Huttons awful book, he describes how Freddie looked after he died and there are plenty of references to how ill he looked and he had no muscle left on his body |
| lifetimefanofqueen 31.08.2010 06:40 |
freddiefan91 wrote: Just get Jim Huttons awful book, he describes how Freddie looked after he died and there are plenty of references to how ill he looked and he had no muscle left on his body im reading that book, its not that bad, but i havent got to that bit yet. im only on page 70, its talkin about their holiday in japan. |
| GratefulFan 31.08.2010 07:30 |
freddiefan91 wrote: Just get Jim Huttons awful book, he describes how Freddie looked after he died and there are plenty of references to how ill he looked and he had no muscle left on his body ================================== Jim Hutton's 'awful' book, and that other 'awful' one by Peter Freestone are about the only reason the written record of Fred is anything more than that of a sex addicted, drug addled AIDS case who could sing. Because that's where the tabloids and the general biographies pretty much began and ended. Those personal memoirs filled him out into a full human being; a funny, immensely kind man who was devoted to his music and who lived a full life surrounded by people who loved him and were loyal friends and admirers. Jim Hutton in particular seemed to have psychological reasons for feeling a need/desire to document his life with Fred that people might understand if they gave it five seconds thought. 'Process of cremation' pictures aside, being ill and being physically affected by that illness is not shameful. I've pointed it out before, but it's people full of what I would term self righteous nonsense (and bullshit given the number of times the picture on this very thread was downloaded) that act like it is. People are curious. So what. When I look at those pictures I don't see a dead man walking, I see an inspiring person who always lived to wring every last second out of life, eventually in the face of great obstacles. |
| Darren1977 31.08.2010 07:43 |
Well said Grateful Fan. There was another sick cunt on here a while back innuendo90 or something that was constantly harping on about wanting to see any pictures of Freddie with the effects of his illness. Walk into any hospital in the world and look at people suffering from cancer etc, it's not a pretty sight. Watched my grandfather wither away from cancer. He was a very fit man and lasted roughly 12 months. Not good. If somebody had asked me for a picture of his last days would not be good. there are a lot of sick people in this world. |
| GratefulFan 31.08.2010 08:10 |
It seems you pretty much misread what I said Darren. I don't think people who are curious about Freddie's appearance in the latter years are in any way 'sick'. I think they're just honest. And there's nothing sickening about dying or death, and nothing about any loved human being at any stage of life that is unfit for a camera. If people personally feel looking or reading is invasive that's fine - make your own decisions accordingly. Just don't be drooling your silly contempt over other people. |
| plumrach 31.08.2010 08:46 |
Freddie showed how brave he was by doing the Tatdool video only a few months before he died, the fact that he did not hide away is very inspiring as well, he literally worked till he could not work anymore |
| plumrach 31.08.2010 09:03 |
As for Jim's book, some of it was good but the latter half of the book was perhaps too much detail and should of remained private Peters book was more about Freddie's every day life and probably more interesting because of that than Jims |
| ok.computer 31.08.2010 10:49 |
Seriously, are there no longer moderators on this once-great site?? If there aren't, I'll volunteer, and believe me - my censorial axe will fall heavily on this so-called General Discussion thread. FFS...have people nothing better to write?? (apparently not) |
| GratefulFan 31.08.2010 13:21 |
plumrach wrote: As for Jim's book, some of it was good but the latter half of the book was perhaps too much detail and should of remained private Peters book was more about Freddie's every day life and probably more interesting because of that than Jims ======================= I found that the two books together worked together to make a complete person, like triangulation resolves a precise point. They covered an overlapping time period in the very same house from slightly different perspectives, which I thought was fascinating in it's way. Though I agree that if I had to only read one, it would have been Peter's, largely because it covered a longer period of time from a presumably more objective eye. One of the things people hate about Jim's book is that it can feel like a trashy tell all in spots. But I don't think it did tell everything private that was there to be told. Mary said something one time that I'm going to have to heavily paraphrase - something like "I saw a man become incredibly brave at times, and at other times incredibly vulnerable", implying there were times of fear and emotionality about what lay ahead. How could there not have been? Jim's later anecdotes did describe a man in rapid physical decline who had become dependent, but most of the parts that people object to still managed to somehow illustrate Freddie the fighter either being grumpy or fighting for some kind of control over his immediate destiny. Jim never revealed anything that made Freddie seem weak in spirit or anything less than lionhearted, only weak in body. In that sense I still think he chose his revelations with love. Still, I do understand the objections. I guess I just saw it differently. |
| The Real Wizard 31.08.2010 14:42 |
As far as I'm concerned, both books were cash-ins. It turns out Freddie was right when he said he had only one true friend in the world - Mary. The man spent his entire adult life keeping his private life private, so the books certainly wouldn't have been written had he lived. His cook sold out to a tabloid in the late 80s, and after his death two more of his "friends" couldn't resist the dollar-signs they saw in their eyes either. For shame. Furthermore, Jim had an obvious agenda against Mary in his book, as he was clearly jealous of her getting Freddie's house instead of him. Maybe this was Jim's way of lashing out at Freddie in death, by giving the public the one thing Freddie didn't want them to have - a front row seat to his private life - as deep down he knew who Freddie really loved.. and it wasn't him. I therefore take very little of what he said at face value. Good on Mary for her consistent show of integrity on this matter. |
| GratefulFan 31.08.2010 15:26 |
Sir GH wrote: As far as I'm concerned, both books were cash-ins. It turns out Freddie was right when he said he had only one true friend in the world - Mary. The man spent his entire adult life keeping his private life private, and two of his "friends" couldn't resist the dollar-signs in their eyes, as the books certainly wouldn't have been written had Freddie lived. For shame. ================================ People don't get rich by writing one niche book as first time authors with ghostwriters getting paid as well. They just don't. Both men got significant inheritances. Other motives/arguments make much more sense than a 'cash in', which really doesn't. Besides, if money is the alleged motive, Mary *really* wouldn't have had any reason to get off the couch and contribute to a book, so ascribing that to loyalty and integrity within the structure of your argument is entirely arbitrary. A lot of biographical works are written differently or not at all until after the death of the subject, making that largely a non point. Freddie spent his entire adult life keeping his private life out of the tabloids - by surrounding himself with people in which he inspired love and loyalty - which is entirely different from leading a sequestered and private life. Other than that he did little to keep his rather wild life private. And again, I don't think you're adequately acknowledging what these books did to knock down the tabloid sordidness, that Freddie did abhor, as the official record. I visited Amazon to remind myself if the Freestone book was ghostwritten and noted the editorial review at the same time: "The myth of Mercury's debauched private life is well and truly debunked by the man who was there throughout the toothsome showman's later years in this affectionate portrait." And there you have it. |
| lifetimefanofqueen 31.08.2010 16:16 |
and anyway, pietrek1994 is a new guy so be nice to him, or her, i dont realy know :P he or she is new here so be nice. we all were new her, sorry for butting in like this but i believe in rights (i know i sound like ive been someking something but im not, im a combination of hyper and tired) (and no i dont smoke. or drink. or anything like that) |
| GratefulFan 31.08.2010 19:05 |
Sir GH wrote: Furthermore, Jim had an obvious agenda against Mary in his book, as he was clearly jealous of her getting Freddie's house instead of him. Maybe this was Jim's way of lashing out at Freddie in death, by giving the public the one thing Freddie didn't want them to have - a front row seat to his private life - as deep down he knew who Freddie really loved.. and it wasn't him. I therefore take very little of what he said at face value. Good on Mary for her consistent show of integrity on this matter. ======================================= Sorry...missed this edit the first time around. There is no evidence for any of this, making it wild and somewhat cruel speculation. Both books indicated it was always understood that Mary would inherit the estate, not least among the reasons that everybody including Jim probably expected Jim to die of AIDS. Regardless, Mary was his oldest friend and the only one among them with a family for whom the long term stability of a large home and estate made sense. To me it was an act of not only love for Mary, but common sense and chivalry. Jim got a huge amount of cash, along with land and a partially completed home in Ireland. He was set for a very long time. Your comment that Freddie didn't love Jim - not really - was unkind and almost certainly not true. In fact I've always thought that Jim's main reason for writing the book was precisely that - to make it known that their relationship meant something, as much for himself as for any audience. I have tremendous empathy for his situation, which had to have been painfully compounded his whole life. First, his relationship was homosexual, which society still doesn't recognize in the same way even today 25 years later. Second, his lover (the best title available to homosexual love relationships in 1985 Britain) is a famous person who is living in a time when coming out was not a viable option, so outside the smallest circle of friends he had to remain unacknowledged. Even in the home he was not treated with the deference a partner would be by the others that lived there, or Mary, for a combination of reasons. And when Freddie died people with the power to decide determined that appearances still needed to be kept up, and Jim was shuffled back once again in the formal and final rituals of goodbye. Within weeks he had to leave his home of five years, by his own reckoning well before he was emotionally ready. Disenfranchised grief like this is profoundly painful and difficult to resolve. If the process of writing the book and publicly declaring their mutual commitment helped, I'm very glad he did it. And while I agree that Mary has generally acted with great integrity, that hardly involved taking a vow of silence. We only know that the first phase of she and Freddie's relationship ended when he began to stay away from home overnight and for long periods in a way that was painful and confusing for her, and that they finally had an intimate conversation where he revealed he was bisexual, and that there were tears on both sides, and that she told him she thought he was actually gay, and that before all this their lovemaking had been normal, and a few other private and personal things, because MARY told us so. She posed for some nice photographs in various rooms in Freddie's house for a magazine article too, so we know what his furniture looks like because of her. So, yeah. Obligations evolve after people die, and sometimes love and honour means telling parts of their story. It has nothing to do with selling them out. P.S. Joe Fanelli was Freddie's cook, and he didn't sell him out. That was some other trusted friend on the music/management/promotion side somewhere. |
| jpf 01.09.2010 01:37 |
rhapsody8 wrote: ---- Interesting that Freddie is wearing his ring that Jim gave to him in those photos. |
| jpf 01.09.2010 01:57 |
Sir GH wrote: As far as I'm concerned, both books were cash-ins. It turns out Freddie was right when he said he had only one true friend in the world - Mary. The man spent his entire adult life keeping his private life private, so the books certainly wouldn't have been written had he lived. His cook sold out to a tabloid in the late 80s, and after his death two more of his "friends" couldn't resist the dollar-signs they saw in their eyes either. For shame. Furthermore, Jim had an obvious agenda against Mary in his book, as he was clearly jealous of her getting Freddie's house instead of him. Maybe this was Jim's way of lashing out at Freddie in death, by giving the public the one thing Freddie didn't want them to have - a front row seat to his private life - as deep down he knew who Freddie really loved.. and it wasn't him. I therefore take very little of what he said at face value. Good on Mary for her consistent show of integrity on this matter. --- Mary treated Jim, Peter, and Joe like shit. Freddie would have hated her for that. The three of them took care of Freddie at the end, not Mary. Mary was knocked up for the second time and would stop by for a short time towards the end. She wasn't caring for Freddie the way the other three were. Jim, Peter, and Joe were Freddie's family. They knew it. Ironic how Mary hated Jim and Joe, one a former lover and one his current lover for many years. Mary even treated Peter like crap. Both books were interesting. Both books took the shine off of Freddie's halo, a halo that shouldn't have been there in the first place. For all of the money he had the one thing that he couldn't buy was love. I think he found that in Jim. Something that he was never going to be able to get from Mary. In the end Mary became the prisoner (she got Garden Lodge). I think she got what she deserved. Joe passed away, but Jim and Peter were able to live their lives. Mary was reminded of Freddie 24/7. I hope the guilt haunts her. BTW, Paul Prenter, his manager, sold out to the tabloids, not Joe. |
| plumrach 01.09.2010 02:36 |
You only know that Mary started to see Freddie near the end because of what Jim and Peter said but Mary has said in interviews that she was there a lot of the time for him, yes she wasnt the main carer but that doesnt mean she did not care there is always two sides to every story and I still think Jim was a bit btter towards Mary, as it seems in his book that he had an agenda against Mary from the first time he mentions her in the book At the end of the day if Freddie really wanted Jim to stay in the house, he would of got something done legally but he chose not to do that and it wasnt like any of the guys were left out of pocket, Freddie bought Joe a house before he died and we know that Freddie helped finance a house in ireland for Jim and they all got plenty of money in the will and dont froget all the gifts and money Freddie gave them throughtout the time they knew him, which shows how generous Freddie was I think Mary was incredibly supportive of Freddie right from the beginning before he was even famous right to the end as well and from the interviews and things i have read about the two of them they both seemed to be very proud of each other and had a special bond and nothing could break that |
| jpf 01.09.2010 03:26 |
plumrach wrote: You only know that Mary started to see Freddie near the end because of what Jim and Peter said but Mary has said in interviews that she was there a lot of the time for him, yes she wasnt the main carer but that doesnt mean she did not care there is always two sides to every story and I still think Jim was a bit btter towards Mary, as it seems in his book that he had an agenda against Mary from the first time he mentions her in the book At the end of the day if Freddie really wanted Jim to stay in the house, he would of got something done legally but he chose not to do that and it wasnt like any of the guys were left out of pocket, Freddie bought Joe a house before he died and we know that Freddie helped finance a house in ireland for Jim and they all got plenty of money in the will and dont froget all the gifts and money Freddie gave them throughtout the time they knew him as Jim states in his book I think Mary was incredibly supportive of Freddie right from the beginning before he was even famous right to the end as well and from the interviews and things i have read about the two of them they both seemed to be very proud of each other and had a special bond and nothing could break that --- Jim had every right to not like her. She treated him, Peter, and Joe like shit. Making them live in the mews was insulting. Jim Beach and Mary couldn't get them out of Logan Place fast enough. I look at Mary as someone Freddie needed to keep around so that his secret wouldn't be revealed. After they broke up she could have easily made life hell for him. Freddie made sure that that wouldn't happen. He kept her around and she became his beard when out in public. She got a "rock star's wife" life out of it and he got to keep his secret. |
| plumrach 01.09.2010 03:41 |
The mews was hardly a squat now though was it, Freddie made it into a luxury guesthouse and Peter and Joe were both already living in the mews long before Freddie died Maybe Mary was Freddies "beard" as you say and Jim did say once in his book that Freddie always took Mary to events where the press would be and Jim said that he knew that meant Freddie wasnt "in love" with him but Mary was somebody that Freddie trusted more than anybody else otherwise he would not of left the house and half of his estate to her, he still made sure Peter Jim and Joe were looked after |
| freddiefan91 01.09.2010 07:53 |
Whilst I don't like Jim's book I think its clear that Freddie was happy with Jim for the majority of the time they were together, Jim says in his book there was a few occasions where he was asked to leave after seemingly pointless rows but they always managed to patch things up, perhaps Freddie was testing Jim to see how far he could push him |
| Holly2003 01.09.2010 08:18 |
It's amazing how many people on this thread think they know Mary, Jim etc and you've never even met them. You assign motives and judge these people based on fleeting glimpses of their lives in newspapers, books, or internet rumours. None of you are in a position to judge them positively or negatively because you simply don't have enough info. or insight to make that judgement. |
| The Real Wizard 01.09.2010 09:27 |
Yeah, no kidding. I just made a suggestion based on the fact that the one person who didn't write a tell-all book after his death was the same person he called his only true friend, and then all the Mary-bashers chime in as if they're on a first-name basis with the lot of them. I personally don't care, mainly because it's all conjecture. I just find this one angle to be particularly interesting. |
| GratefulFan 01.09.2010 09:36 |
Sir GH wrote: Yeah, no kidding. I just made a suggestion based on the fact that the one person who didn't write a tell-all book after his death was the same person he called his only true friend, and then all the Mary-bashers chime in as if they're on a first-name basis with the lot of them. ================================================= Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffftttt. If we're guilty of any overreaching, you certainly are too. "Furthermore, Jim had an obvious agenda against Mary in his book, as he was clearly jealous of her getting Freddie's house instead of him. Maybe this was Jim's way of lashing out at Freddie in death, by giving the public the one thing Freddie didn't want them to have - a front row seat to his private life - as deep down he knew who Freddie really loved.. and it wasn't him. I therefore take very little of what he said at face value. Good on Mary for her consistent show of integrity on this matter. " Please. |
| YannickJoker 01.09.2010 12:49 |
Some people seem to forget this is a forum about Queen, not about Mary, Jim or all the other gay boys of Garden lodge circa 1991. There's no point in this discussion because we'll never know the full truth. Ontopic, I think TRS-Romania may have some interesting photos of Freddie for the TS. The best one of them is Freddie gasping for air while pointing at the piece of mango in his mouth. You'll like them. |
| pietrek 01.09.2010 14:13 |
Yannickjoker Are you kidding me? |
| GratefulFan 01.09.2010 14:24 |
This thread is a perfect of example of sucking the life out of what was for some people a worthwhile conversation on a couple of different fronts. It's not much fun. |
| YannickJoker 01.09.2010 14:55 |
pietrek1994 wrote: Yannickjoker Are you kidding me? Please tell me what you think. |
| pietrek 01.09.2010 15:44 |
You told that a photo of Freddie being eating mango exist? :P DId you see it? |
| jpf 01.09.2010 20:53 |
plumrach wrote: The mews was hardly a squat now though was it, Freddie made it into a luxury guesthouse and Peter and Joe were both already living in the mews long before Freddie died Maybe Mary was Freddies "beard" as you say and Jim did say once in his book that Freddie always took Mary to events where the press would be and Jim said that he knew that meant Freddie wasnt "in love" with him but Mary was somebody that Freddie trusted more than anybody else otherwise he would not of left the house and half of his estate to her, he still made sure Peter Jim and Joe were looked after --- Please. Get real. The three of them were forced to move from a mansion to an apartment. Peter was already in the mews (his choice). The bottom line is Freddie would be pissed off knowing how Jim, Peter, and Joe were treated by Mary (and also Jim Beach). IMO Mary looked out for Mary. In the end she got what she deserved; a life behind brick walls. |
| jpf 01.09.2010 20:54 |
freddiefan91 wrote: Whilst I don't like Jim's book I think its clear that Freddie was happy with Jim for the majority of the time they were together, Jim says in his book there was a few occasions where he was asked to leave after seemingly pointless rows but they always managed to patch things up, perhaps Freddie was testing Jim to see how far he could push him --- Freddie also cheated on Jim several times. |
| jpf 01.09.2010 21:01 |
Holly2003 wrote: It's amazing how many people on this thread think they know Mary, Jim etc and you've never even met them. You assign motives and judge these people based on fleeting glimpses of their lives in newspapers, books, or internet rumours. None of you are in a position to judge them positively or negatively because you simply don't have enough info. or insight to make that judgement. --- It's interesting that much of what Peter and Jim had to say in their books overlapped. Where's Mary's book? Maybe she has something to hide? It was interesting how both Peter and Jim felt like they were intruding when they visited Garden Lodge a few times after Freddie's death. It wasn't like Mary was so glad to see them. You are correct in that we don't know any of them. The best we can do is judge by what they've said. |
| jpf 01.09.2010 21:04 |
Sir GH wrote: Yeah, no kidding. I just made a suggestion based on the fact that the one person who didn't write a tell-all book after his death was the same person he called his only true friend, and then all the Mary-bashers chime in as if they're on a first-name basis with the lot of them. I personally don't care, mainly because it's all conjecture. I just find this one angle to be particularly interesting. --- That one person who didn't write a "tell-all" book did allow a photographer and magazine writer to come into Garden Lodge and photograph it. She's opened her mouth a few times to magazines and has appeared on several Queen/Freddie documentaries. It's not like she kept her mouth shut the entire time. |
| jpf 01.09.2010 21:06 |
YannickJoker wrote: Some people seem to forget this is a forum about Queen, not about Mary, Jim or all the other gay boys of Garden lodge circa 1991. There's no point in this discussion because we'll never know the full truth. Ontopic, I think TRS-Romania may have some interesting photos of Freddie for the TS. The best one of them is Freddie gasping for air while pointing at the piece of mango in his mouth. You'll like them. ---- If you don't like this topic, move on. Pretty simple concept. BTW, you fail at your attempt at humor. |
| -fatty- 2850 01.09.2010 21:55 |
Freddie left his house to Mary but it had always been his intention that Jim, Joe and Pheobe remained there for as long as they wished. Mary wasn't happy with the arrangement but legally speaking, she didn't have a leg to stand on. Sometime around the beginning of 1992, Jim Hutton began hearing strange noises coming from the attic in Garden Lodge. A couple of weeks later, Joe Fannelli spoke of doors opening and closing by themselves and in the early hours of February 11th 1992, Pheobe claimed to have seen a 'ghost pirate ship' sailing around the garden pond. Thankfully the mysterious happenings were eventually explained by four American teenagers and their dog who, after an extensive investigation and a chase through a hallway in which they ran past the same plant pot and suit of armour a total of eight times, managed to snare the pirate ghost captain in a net. It then transpired that the pirate ghost captain was none other than former Queen Bassist John Deacon who was trying to scare Jim, Joe and Pheobe out of Garden Lodge so that he could search for the elusive photographs of Freddie Mercury's corpse, which he then planned to sell on Ebay. As Deacon was being lead away in handcuffs he told reporters "It was the perfect plan and I would have gotten away with it, had it not been for those meddling kids." The whole sorry episode was hushed up by Jim Beach who made up a story about John Deacon retiring but the truth is that John is serving a 25 year prison sentence. Mary was more than happy for Jim, Joe and Pheobe to stay at Garden Lodge until she found out they all had AIDS and had Rentokil come and smoke them out. fatty. |
| YannickJoker 01.09.2010 22:08 |
jpf wrote: "If you don't like this topic, move on. Pretty simple concept. BTW, you fail at your attempt at humor." Oh, you've hurt me so much now! Are you gonna bark all day, little doggie, or are you gonna bite? |
| pietrek 02.09.2010 14:57 |
I think that this discussion is going on wrong topic. By the way, i found one of the latest pictures of Freddie and another one possibly fake from his funeral? |
| pietrek 02.09.2010 14:58 |
The Fake(?) one |
| YannickJoker 02.09.2010 15:02 |
The last picture is disturbing, fake or not. Never seen those two before. But, what is the kick you get out of seeing pictures like these? I can't really understand how anyone would love to see his dying body. |
| pietrek 02.09.2010 15:44 |
Yannickjoker I just can't explain it :) |
| matt z 02.09.2010 16:28 |
@ FATTY: You forgot to mention the part where Shaggy jumped up and his feet did an in-air scramble/scuffle.. but (!) great reveal on when John was unmasked. Thank you for filling me in on this sort of insider information... this is why i roam the boards. PS: I think someone mispelled *"Man-goo" not Mango. Or maybe i could be wrong. In either event, it's pretty sickening to think that someone would look for a IN-CREMATION photo... unless of course it was some sort of Eastern Tradition... (like monks carving up their dead to vultures or something)... pretty twisted mind you've got there... |
| Holly2003 02.09.2010 17:11 |
jpf wrote: It's interesting that much of what Peter and Jim had to say in their books overlapped. Where's Mary's book? Maybe she has something to hide? OR MAYBE SHE DOESN'T... It was interesting how both Peter and Jim felt like they were intruding when they visited Garden Lodge a few times after Freddie's death. It wasn't like Mary was so glad to see them. SHOULD SHE BE? WHAT'S IT TO YOU (OR ANYONE) WHETHER OR NOT SHE DOES? IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ANY OF THEM. You are correct in that we don't know any of them. The best we can do is judge by what they've said. OR NOT JUDGE THEM AT ALL |
| The Real Wizard 02.09.2010 18:37 |
GratefulFan wrote:
If we're guilty of any overreaching, you certainly are too.I disagree. Jim had an obvious bias against Mary in his book. Don't shoot the messenger - I'm just reporting it as it is. He used a biography to feed a feud with someone else, which is often the case with tell-all biographies. All I did was provide a theory for it which may or may not be true, while others continued to write quasi-biographical judgments about people they've never met as if they're fact. I have no stake in the outcome, as I don't really care about the personal lives of any of these people being discussed. |
| The Real Wizard 02.09.2010 18:41 |
jpf wrote:
It's interesting that much of what Peter and Jim had to say in their books overlapped. Where's Mary's book? Maybe she has something to hide?So someone is required to write a book in order to exonerate themselves from the judgments of a select few? This mentality of "guilty until proven innocent via the written word" makes it no surprise that tabloids sell millions of copies daily. |
| jpf 02.09.2010 23:05 |
Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: It's interesting that much of what Peter and Jim had to say in their books overlapped. Where's Mary's book? Maybe she has something to hide? OR MAYBE SHE DOESN'T... It was interesting how both Peter and Jim felt like they were intruding when they visited Garden Lodge a few times after Freddie's death. It wasn't like Mary was so glad to see them. SHOULD SHE BE? WHAT'S IT TO YOU (OR ANYONE) WHETHER OR NOT SHE DOES? IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ANY OF THEM. You are correct in that we don't know any of them. The best we can do is judge by what they've said. OR NOT JUDGE THEM AT ALL --- She had a lot to hide when Freddie was alive. She was a bitch. She treated the three of them like shit. The person they shared died. The person who died would be pissed off with her towards her treatment to not only his friends, but his real family. I'll judge them any way I please. |
| jpf 02.09.2010 23:11 |
Sir GH wrote: jpf wrote: It's interesting that much of what Peter and Jim had to say in their books overlapped. Where's Mary's book? Maybe she has something to hide? So someone is required to write a book in order to exonerate themselves from the judgments of a select few? This mentality of "guilty until proven innocent via the written word" makes it no surprise that tabloids sell millions of copies daily. --- Peter and Jim's books paint Mary in a different light. Freddie would not be pleased with Mary's (and Jim Beach's) behavior toward Jim, Peter, and Joe after his death. Karma's a bitch. Mary got what she deserved; the rest of her life behind brick walls, in constant reminder of Freddie. By staying in Garden Lodge she was never able to move on with her life. |
| The Real Wizard 02.09.2010 23:30 |
> Mary got what she deserved; the rest of her life behind brick walls, in constant reminder of Freddie Did the will include a "you're not allowed to sell the house" clause? Unless it did, she could move out any time she wanted to. Freddie's relationship with all these people was obviously incredibly complicated - far more than a couple tell-all books could ever reveal. Anyone is foolish if they think they understand everything. You appear no different than the people who feel like they're experts on Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt's lives because they read the tabloids and E! every day. |
| jpf 03.09.2010 00:31 |
Sir GH wrote: > Mary got what she deserved; the rest of her life behind brick walls, in constant reminder of Freddie Did the will include a "you're not allowed to sell the house" clause? Unless it did, she could move out any time she wanted to. Freddie's relationship with all these people was obviously incredibly complicated - far more than a couple tell-all books could ever reveal. Anyone is foolish if they think they understand everything. You appear no different than the people who feel like they're experts on Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt's lives because they read the tabloids and E! every day. --- Mary could have stayed living in her flat that Freddie purchased for her or she could have spent some of her inheritance on a new place to live. You know a lot about the goings on of Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt. It's obvious it's you who reads the tabloids and watches E! every day. |
| YannickJoker 03.09.2010 01:09 |
jpf wrote: Mary could have stayed living in her flat that Freddie purchased for her or she could have spent some of her inheritance on a new place to live. I hope you realize you're now going in against what you said at first. I thought she was a prisoner and karma had done bad to her? |
| jpf 03.09.2010 01:21 |
YannickJoker wrote: jpf wrote: Mary could have stayed living in her flat that Freddie purchased for her or she could have spent some of her inheritance on a new place to live. I hope you realize you're now going in against what you said at first. I thought she was a prisoner and karma had done bad to her? --- No I didn't. You're a dumbass who can't read. |
| Holly2003 03.09.2010 01:28 |
jpf wrote: Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: It's interesting that much of what Peter and Jim had to say in their books overlapped. Where's Mary's book? Maybe she has something to hide? OR MAYBE SHE DOESN'T... It was interesting how both Peter and Jim felt like they were intruding when they visited Garden Lodge a few times after Freddie's death. It wasn't like Mary was so glad to see them. SHOULD SHE BE? WHAT'S IT TO YOU (OR ANYONE) WHETHER OR NOT SHE DOES? IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ANY OF THEM. You are correct in that we don't know any of them. The best we can do is judge by what they've said. OR NOT JUDGE THEM AT ALL --- She had a lot to hide when Freddie was alive. She was a bitch. She treated the three of them like shit. The person they shared died. The person who died would be pissed off with her towards her treatment to not only his friends, but his real family. I'll judge them any way I please. And I'll judge you by your ignorant and childish comments. Fair enough? |
| jpf 03.09.2010 02:48 |
Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: It's interesting that much of what Peter and Jim had to say in their books overlapped. Where's Mary's book? Maybe she has something to hide? OR MAYBE SHE DOESN'T... It was interesting how both Peter and Jim felt like they were intruding when they visited Garden Lodge a few times after Freddie's death. It wasn't like Mary was so glad to see them. SHOULD SHE BE? WHAT'S IT TO YOU (OR ANYONE) WHETHER OR NOT SHE DOES? IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ANY OF THEM. You are correct in that we don't know any of them. The best we can do is judge by what they've said. OR NOT JUDGE THEM AT ALL --- She had a lot to hide when Freddie was alive. She was a bitch. She treated the three of them like shit. The person they shared died. The person who died would be pissed off with her towards her treatment to not only his friends, but his real family. I'll judge them any way I please. And I'll judge you by your ignorant and childish comments. Fair enough? --- Pound tar. |
| Holly2003 03.09.2010 03:33 |
jpf wrote: Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: It's interesting that much of what Peter and Jim had to say in their books overlapped. Where's Mary's book? Maybe she has something to hide? OR MAYBE SHE DOESN'T... It was interesting how both Peter and Jim felt like they were intruding when they visited Garden Lodge a few times after Freddie's death. It wasn't like Mary was so glad to see them. SHOULD SHE BE? WHAT'S IT TO YOU (OR ANYONE) WHETHER OR NOT SHE DOES? IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ANY OF THEM. You are correct in that we don't know any of them. The best we can do is judge by what they've said. OR NOT JUDGE THEM AT ALL --- She had a lot to hide when Freddie was alive. She was a bitch. She treated the three of them like shit. The person they shared died. The person who died would be pissed off with her towards her treatment to not only his friends, but his real family. I'll judge them any way I please. And I'll judge you by your ignorant and childish comments. Fair enough? --- Pound tar. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You don't disappoint. I can't wait for your next fantastic insights on celebrities/people you've never met. |
| -fatty- 2850 03.09.2010 06:53 |
I agree with jpf 100%. Mary Austin is a conniving back-stabbing bitch. Freddie may have left his house to Mary but if you check his last will and testament, you will see that he also left instructions that Jim Hutton, Joe Fannelli and Peter Freestone be allowed to live there, rent-free, for as long as they damn well pleased. What did Mary do? I'll tell you what Mary did. She evicted them without so much as 24 hours notice. On Christmas Eve of all days. Jim, Joe and Pheobe were forced to spend the night in a homeless hostel and when they returned the following morning to collect a few things they discovered that Mary had thrown all of their belongings into the street. When Pheobe asked if he could see Freddie's beloved cats, Mary just laughed in his face and told him that she had drowned them by throwing them into the canal. She then told the guys that if they didn't clear off she'd have her new boyfriend give them all a right good kicking. It was poor old Jim Hutton who suffered more than most. For months after Freddie's death Jim was plagued with telephone calls in the middle of the night from Mary who would laugh down the line and make hurtful comments like "Ha Ha.. Your boyfriend's dead and you'll be dead soon." She even refused to hand over the thousands of recordings that Freddie made in his final weeks to Jim Beach, forcing him to release nothing but greatest hits packages. It should also be noted that the royalties from Freddie's songs were used to fund muslim extremists as per Mary's orders. Of course it has to be said that I have no real evidence that any of the above actually took place but until Mary releases a ghost written autobiography, we'll just have to assume that my version of events is gospel. fatty. |
| jpf 03.09.2010 18:50 |
Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: Holly2003 wrote: jpf wrote: It's interesting that much of what Peter and Jim had to say in their books overlapped. Where's Mary's book? Maybe she has something to hide? OR MAYBE SHE DOESN'T... It was interesting how both Peter and Jim felt like they were intruding when they visited Garden Lodge a few times after Freddie's death. It wasn't like Mary was so glad to see them. SHOULD SHE BE? WHAT'S IT TO YOU (OR ANYONE) WHETHER OR NOT SHE DOES? IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ANY OF THEM. You are correct in that we don't know any of them. The best we can do is judge by what they've said. OR NOT JUDGE THEM AT ALL --- She had a lot to hide when Freddie was alive. She was a bitch. She treated the three of them like shit. The person they shared died. The person who died would be pissed off with her towards her treatment to not only his friends, but his real family. I'll judge them any way I please. And I'll judge you by your ignorant and childish comments. Fair enough? --- Pound tar. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You don't disappoint. I can't wait for your next fantastic insights on celebrities/people you've never met. ---- You always disappoint. I can't wait for you to post anything worth discussing. Your problem is you have absolutely nothing worth reading. You know, that tar isn't going to pound itself. |
| YannickJoker 03.09.2010 19:05 |
jpf wrote: You always disappoint. I can't wait for you to post anything worth discussing. Your problem is you have absolutely nothing worth reading. You know, that tar isn't going to pound itself. He's alot more interesting than you'll ever be. There's nothing worthwile to you, that is why you have always failed where others have succeeded. |
| inu-liger 03.09.2010 19:39 |
Fatty, you might not be too far off when it comes to Mary not handing over Freddie demos tapes and such. If I recall correctly, QPL have tried at times to ask her for his private tapes, but she wasn't very cooperative from what I understand. |
| jpf 03.09.2010 20:43 |
YannickJoker wrote: jpf wrote: You always disappoint. I can't wait for you to post anything worth discussing. Your problem is you have absolutely nothing worth reading. You know, that tar isn't going to pound itself. He's alot more interesting than you'll ever be. There's nothing worthwile to you, that is why you have always failed where others have succeeded. --- You're a failed Holly2003 wannabe. |
| jpf 03.09.2010 20:45 |
inu-liger wrote: Fatty, you might not be too far off when it comes to Mary not handing over Freddie demos tapes and such. If I recall correctly, QPL have tried at times to ask her for his private tapes, but she wasn't very cooperative from what I understand. ---- Finding those tapes would require Mary to get off her ass and actually do something instead of sitting there counting Freddie's money. |
| QueenLing 05.09.2010 12:09 |
I just came home from the funeral of an old friend who died because of cancer. As I looked at him lying in his coffin, I saw an immaciated, yet beautiful man. He so reminded me of Freddie in what may have been his final days. I thought of Freddie and I thought this is how Freddie must have seemed when he died. There was a calming peace even though he appeared so terribly skeletal. I saw the beauty that was the man and the beauty of peace that now is the man. I hope I have written this so that others will understand what I am trying to say. |
| freddiefan91 06.09.2010 02:40 |
Anyway how do we know that it was'nt Jim Beach that decided to ask Jim Joe and Peter to leave the house, as the executor to Freddie's will he probably/possibly had the right to do that |
| jpf 06.09.2010 14:26 |
freddiefan91 wrote: Anyway how do we know that it was Jim Beach that decided to ask Jim Joe and Peter to leave the house, as the executor to Freddie's will he probably/possibly had the right to do that ---- It's in Jim's and Peter's books. IMO Jim Beach pushed Mary to get it done as soon as possible. |
| tcc 06.09.2010 16:44 |
jpf wrote: freddiefan91 wrote: Anyway how do we know that it was Jim Beach that decided to ask Jim Joe and Peter to leave the house, as the executor to Freddie's will he probably/possibly had the right to do that ---- It's in Jim's and Peter's books. IMO Jim Beach pushed Mary to get it done as soon as possible. If they don't leave, they might set themselves up as squatters and pose a legal problem :-) |
| jpf 06.09.2010 20:42 |
tcc wrote: jpf wrote: freddiefan91 wrote: Anyway how do we know that it was Jim Beach that decided to ask Jim Joe and Peter to leave the house, as the executor to Freddie's will he probably/possibly had the right to do that ---- It's in Jim's and Peter's books. IMO Jim Beach pushed Mary to get it done as soon as possible. If they don't leave, they might set themselves up as squatters and pose a legal problem :-) --- Well, Jim Hutton passed away on New Year's Day this year and Peter Freestone lives in Prague. |
| Gregsynth 14.09.2010 21:09 |
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| *goodco* 14.09.2010 21:23 |
and you are such an expert at everything 'Queen' as a fan for five years, especially since you live in the States? |
| Gregsynth 14.09.2010 21:48 |
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