| Shane Jazz 15.08.2010 00:55 |
When the official songwriting credits are revealed for Kerry Ellis's upcoming Anthems album, do you think that Some Things That Glitter/I Loved a Butterfly will get the same hindsight treatment that I Want It All received from Brian? Meaning- instead of it being credited to May/Taylor/Rodgers, will Brian have it listed solely as "May"? As he did with IWIA on the credits to Video Hits 2 (instead of being attributed to Queen)? It was an oddly self-serving gesture from Brian, and for some reason, I think we'll see the same thing done for Glitter.... |
| rhyeking 15.08.2010 02:37 |
Me and my pesky details! You are correct in that the GVH2 DVD booklet credits Brian May with "I Want It All," where as the other Miracle tracks are credited to Queen. I believe this to be a mistake, not Brian trying to be a jerk. He also wrote "Scandal," so why not credit himself there too? Greatest Video Hits 2 was released in 2003. Since then, the following have been released, all of which contain "I Want It All": Return Of The Champions Stone Cold Classics A to Z Of Queen, Vol. 1 Live In Ukraine All of these releases, and all the releases BEFORE Video Hits 2, credit Queen with the song. I highly doubt Brian was sitting in the proofing room, looking over the sleeve note details and artwork insisting that his name be placed there. More likely the copyist took it from an incorrect note given to him. "Some Things That Glitters" is credited to May, Taylor, Rodgers on The Cosmos Rocks. "I Loved A Butterfly" is what will appear on Kerry Ellis's album Anthem. It appears to be the same song, or is at least closely related. And by closely related, I mean he might have rewritten the lyrics. Or not. We'll find out soon. However, keep in mind that the song writing credits on TCR are a bit of a grey area. Paul Rodgers wrote and performed "Warboys" and released it on his own album Live In Glasgow before Q+PR recorded it for The Cosmos Rocks. YET The Cosmos Rocks credits it to "Rodgers, Taylor, May." Live In Glasgow credits it just to "Rodgers". "Say It's Not True," written by Roger Taylor as far back as 2003, is credited on Return Of The Champions to "Taylor." The Cosmos Rocks credits it to "Taylor, Rodgers, May". As does Live In Ukraine. If you look closely at The Cosmos Rocks, you'll notice all three artists are credited on each song in a different order, with the original/primary writer listed first. It's hard to gauge what involvement the other two had on the songs we know were written by one individual originally. So don't be surprised if "I Loved A Butterfly" is credited to Brian May even if its the same song or mostly the same song as "Some Things That Glitter". Take the credits on TCR as somewhat fluid, because the guys themselves aren't even consistantly adhering to them. |
| Wilki Amieva 15.08.2010 09:03 |
In some places the title of the song is referred in the tracklist as Things That Glitter or Some Things That Glitter. Bearing that in mind and the recent acoustic rendition in the EPK, I think there is little room for especulation. Regarding the credits, let's do not forget that this song is certainly related to Brian's old Butterfly (from THE MAGIC YEARS documentary videos). |
| The Real Wizard 15.08.2010 11:19 |
Great post, Rhyeking. It's beyond me why people are always accusing Brian of being self-serving when he's one of the least self-serving people on earth. As for the song, have a listen here.. link a) what a gorgeous voice b) it's basically the same song |
| rhyeking 15.08.2010 13:34 |
Thanks, Sir GH. I guess we have our answer. "I Loved A Butterfly" and "Some Things That Glitter" are the same song. We'll have to wait to see whether the liner noters credit Brian alone. The bigger question is: Why the title change? My theory: "I Loved A Butterfly" is probably the original title. In The Magic Years and GVH2 "One Vision" documentary section, Brian is heard playing this on piano. Years later, when asked, he said the name of the demo was "Butterfly." This was well before Q+PR formed and recorded the song. I'm guessing Brian felt the titled was to flowery or light for The Cosmos Rocks: “Cosmos Rockin’” “Time To Shine” “Still Burnin’” “Small” “Warboys” “We Believe” “Call Me” “Voodoo” “I Loved A Butterfly” “C-lebrity” “Through The Night” “Say It’s Not True” “Surf’s Up…School’s Out” “small reprise” See? So he changed it to "Some Things That Glitter." |
| FriedChicken 16.08.2010 08:38 |
Wilki Amieva wrote: In some places the title of the song is referred in the tracklist as Things That Glitter or Some Things That Glitter. Bearing that in mind and the recent acoustic rendition in the EPK, I think there is little room for especulation. Regarding the credits, let's do not forget that this song is certainly related to Brian's old Butterfly (from THE MAGIC YEARS documentary videos). What are you talking about, Wilki. There's absolutely no relation between 'Butterfly' and Some Things That Glitter, apart from the word Butterfly. And apart from being a ballad. But the music of the 1986 thing has nothing to do with the 2008 one. |
| FriedChicken 16.08.2010 08:52 |
By the way, aren't there some versions where the songs are credited to the writers? |
| Wilki Amieva 16.08.2010 13:00 |
FriedChicken wrote: What are you talking about, Wilki. There's absolutely no relation between 'Butterfly' and Some Things That Glitter, apart from the word Butterfly. And apart from being a ballad. But the music of the 1986 thing has nothing to do with the 2008 one. Well, perhaps you have to look harder... I asked Brian May himself in 2008 and he said that "there is certainly a connection". I agree with what RK have said before about the IWIA credit to Brian May instead of QUEEN being just a mere mistake. Now regarding THE COSMOS ROCKS songs situation, I would like to add that Paul Rodgers credited Voodoo to himself in one of his last live releases. Apparently, these should be considered solo songs as long as they are not on a QUEEN+Paul Rodgers release. BTW, the US version of TCR has all songs credited to BM/RT/PR in order of relevance instead of just Q+PR. |
| Holly2003 16.08.2010 16:00 |
Wilki Amieva wrote: BTW, the US version of TCR has all songs credited to BM/RT/PR in order of relevance instead of just Q+PR. Really? Would you list them for us? It would be interesting to see if our guesses match up with an 'official' source. |
| FriedChicken 16.08.2010 16:15 |
Cosmos Rockin - Roger Time to Shine - Paul Still Burning - Brian Small - Roger Warboys - Roger We Believe - Brian Call Me - Paul Voodoo - Paul Some Things That Glitter - Brian C-lebrity - Roger Through The Night - Paul Say It's Not True - Roger Surf's Up...School's out - Roger |
| Holly2003 16.08.2010 16:22 |
Is that your guesses or is that the first names on the USA CD release? ps Warboys - Roger? |
| rhyeking 16.08.2010 17:09 |
My US copy, bought at a Michigan 'Best Buy' (the CD + Japan Highlights DVD Edition) credits the songs thusly: Cosmos Rockin' (Taylor, Rodgers, May) Time To Shine (Rodgers, May, Taylor) Still Burnin' (May, Rodgers, Taylor) Small (Taylor, May, Rodgers) Warboys (Rodgers, Taylor, May) We Believe (May, Rodgers, Taylor) Call Me (Rodgers, May, Taylor) Voodoo (Rodger, May, Taylor) Some Things That Glitter (May, Taylor, Rodgers) C-Lebrity (Taylor, May, Rodgers) Through The Night (Rodgers, May, Taylor) Say It's Not True (Taylor, Rodgers, May) Surf's Up...School's Out! (Taylor, Rodgers, May) small reprise (Taylor, May, Rodgers) Curiously, my other CD copy, the UK Tour Edition, does NOT credit individual songs, but simply says: All tracks written by Queen + Paul Rodgers As does my US Vinyl LP copy. As I said before, the credits on this album ought to be considered fluid from now on. The first name listed in the credits appears to be correct with what we know of who wrote what songs BEFORE Q+PR formed (like "Warboys" and "Say It's Not True"). (And yes, I own three copies on this album. Living in Canada, I didn't want to wait for the North American release, so I bought the Tour Edition CD off their website. It was the only version I could buy that didn't give me a "Not available for sale in your territory" message [dumbasses!]. It arrived and that would have been that, except that when the US releases finally came around, Best Buy had the exclusive CD + DVD edition, so I grabbed it one day while in Michigan visiting my relatives [just to have the DVD]. Later, HMV was selling their Christmas stock and the LP was on sale, so I bought it because I have the other Queen albums on vinyl and it would complete the collection.) |
| inu-liger 17.08.2010 00:48 |
Rhyeking: I've basically bought the album five times, though 3 are mine. UK CD, Canadian CD (both regular edition) and US 2LP. Bought another Canadian CD and US LP set for two friends, one birthday and one Xmas. WOULD love to get the Japanese edition with the SLIJ Highlights on CD, as well as the Best Buy boxset with the reissue LP's. |
| Pim Derks 17.08.2010 11:47 |
I've got it four times: The tour -cd, the 2-cd with DVD, the record (signed by Brian) and the cassette :D |
| inu-liger 18.08.2010 03:04 |
Was that cassette made in Indonesia or something? |
| Micrówave 18.08.2010 04:44 |
Inu-liger wrote: WOULD love to get ... the Best Buy boxset with the reissue LP's.The three remaining at the store near me are the same three they've had since I bought mine on release date. Unfortunately, they still have the $119.99 price tag. The good news is they're probably going to be here a while longer at that price. |
| inu-liger 18.08.2010 05:07 |
Micrówave wrote: The three remaining at the store near me are the same three they've had since I bought mine on release date. Unfortunately, they still have the $119.99 price tag. The good news is they're probably going to be here a while longer at that price. I should look into whether any of the NYC area Best Buy locations have leftover stock of those boxsets. Am planning (tentatively) to go back to NYC sometime in October. |
| The Real Wizard 18.08.2010 12:16 |
Screw Best Buy. Do you know about their 15% restocking fee if you return something, even in its original packaging with the bill? It has to be the second-worst western retail outlet next to Walmart. Buy it somewhere else. |
| Holly2003 18.08.2010 12:29 |
Sir GH wrote: Screw Best Buy. Do you know about their 15% restocking fee if you return something, even in its original packaging with the bill? It has to be the second-worst western retail outlet next to Walmart. Buy it somewhere else. When I lived in the States I found Walmart to be brilliant. I bought a tent in September, used it to go hiking in yellowstone the next May, then returned it to Walmart in June and they refunded me the whole amount, and this despite it looking like it had been repacked by Stevie Wonder. Walmart is great for decent quality cheap products. Yes, I know all the arguments about small businesses being pushed out, but if it wasn't for Walmart I might not have made it through the year. When I moved back to the States for five years, again, I found Walmart to be very handy. Kmart wasn't as good, but was still okay. Maybe you're just too familiar with it? I wish we had Walmart in the UK. |
| GratefulFan 18.08.2010 16:19 |
^ "despite it looking like it had been repacked by Stevie Wonder" Ha!...you may take the rest of the day off. I find shopping at Walmart to be a grim experience overall, and generally avoid it when I can. More than anything else it's the hordes of shopping humanity that get to me, and the ugly retail sprawl that is the price of one stop convenience. There's no doubt it offers value that is sometimes essential for individuals and families, but for me the prices sometimes drop to the creepy level. I bought some snow pants this year that were $10 at regular price. Now I don't know if you've ever had to deal with snow pants, but they are not an insubstantial garment. Lots of material, lots of layers, lots of assembly. Somebody or something has to be suffering somewhere for that item of clothing to be offered at that price. The problem with Walmart as it's experienced in small and mid size communities here is that it eventually does chew up nearly everything else in it's path, and you suddenly realize that your shopping options have become much more limited. It does tend to create an impatience with corporate retail realities, and a nostalgia for small shops and living, breathing downtowns. |
| Cwazy little thing 18.08.2010 19:48 |
inu-liger wrote: Rhyeking: I've basically bought the album five times, though 3 are mine. UK CD, Canadian CD (both regular edition) and US 2LP. Bought another Canadian CD and US LP set for two friends, one birthday and one Xmas. WOULD love to get the Japanese edition with the SLIJ Highlights on CD, as well as the Best Buy boxset with the reissue LP's. I was in a bargain music store in Cheshire Oaks, Wirral the other day and picked up the Japanese edition with the Super Live highlights for £3.99 - would rather have Super Live in its entirety, but for that price I didnt mind buying the album again for the extra disk! |
| inu-liger 18.08.2010 20:22 |
Oh you suck. 4 quid?? Nice... |
| kirkpatrickuk 19.08.2010 12:57 |
"Some Things That Glitter" and "I Loved A Butterfly" are definitely the same song. link |
| GratefulFan 19.08.2010 18:21 |
^ Brian looks and sounds great. That really is a worthwhile song, and though Kerry's particular style doesn't really click with me I suspect the song will be noticed and appreciated by many. |
| beautifulsoup 20.08.2010 10:03 |
Sir GH wrote: Great post, Rhyeking. It's beyond me why people are always accusing Brian of being self-serving when he's one of the least self-serving people on earth. As for the song, have a listen here.. link a) what a gorgeous voice b) it's basically the same song ************************************************* Erm...except that it's listed as private... |
| rhyeking 20.08.2010 18:01 |
Go to YouTube, type in "Kerry Ellis," "I Loved A Butterfly" and "BBC"...it'll come up (or it should). |
| QueenFan76 26.08.2010 09:38 |
It's beyond me why people are always accusing Brian of being self-serving when he's one of the least self-serving people on earth. One example I would say is the Queen Rocks compilation. When I first bought it I was dumbfounded as to the gluttony of Brian May songs when MANY songs were written by Roger & Freddie that would work.... Ogre Battle, Modern Times Rock & Roll, Liar.... Heck even John had If You Can't Beat Them which was certainly a rocking song. (I'd have omitted Now I'm Here, Fat Bottomed Girls, One Vision, & We Will Rock You for some of these. I'd also habe included Dead On Time instead of one of them as well....) I'd have also lost No One But You, Doesn't fit on there in my opinion. |
| rhyeking 26.08.2010 11:17 |
The truth is Brian did pen a lot of the heavier songs, but certainly not all of them, so it should be no surprise that it's a Brian-heavy release. Also, based on interviews he gave at the time, it was really his project, putting it together as something for people to crank loudly in their car. Maybe you could take that as self serving, but not having been in the meetings with Brian and Roger (and probably John), who knows what was discussed. It's very possible Roger didn't want "Modern Times Rock And Roll" on it, given his hot and cold feelings on some of his songs. Songs like "Princes Of The Universe" or "Ogre Battle" are bit esotaric on their own and might turn off casual fans who just want to rock old-school, or so Brian may have thought. "No One But You" was a brand new Queen song, debuting on Queen Rocks. It was newly recorded and coincided with that collection, so of course they're going to put it on the latest release. |
| QueenFan76 26.08.2010 12:51 |
Yeah, but Ogre Battle was older, plus Tear It Up, Put Out The Fire, I Want It All & I Can't Live With You were "newer" as opposed to the other stuff I mentioned. Why not do Princes? They had ones from 82, 84, 89 & 91 albums, why not 86? |
| rhyeking 26.08.2010 14:05 |
I meant old-school in terms of songs about women and cars and rocking out for the sake of rocking out. A certain percentage of the casual rock audience might have felt "Ogre Battle," "Liar" and "Princes Of The Universe" were kind of weird, or at least I can imagine the band thinking that when putting the collection together. Their aim was to reach as many listeners as possible, so they employed the most commercially accessible songs, plus a new one. |
| QueenFan76 26.08.2010 18:28 |
Princes was the theme to the US TV Series of Highlander. That should have been on there for that reason primarily. I love the following 2 songs, but they're hardly commercially viable or rock out worthy. Put Out The Fire and Its Late. Its Late was a single but didn't hit and Put Out The Fire was a b-side and not a hit and is kind of weird sound wise, plus it plods on and isn't one I feel I can really rock out to. Plus Sheer Heart Attack was also kind of "weird" and the screeching at the end is hardly "rock out" worthy. |
| rhyeking 26.08.2010 19:14 |
Apparently Brian thought otherwise, QueenFan. |
| GratefulFan 26.08.2010 19:51 |
rhyeking wrote: Apparently Brian thought otherwise, QueenFan. ============================== I'm starting you think you actually liked being regularly beaten in high school. |
| rhyeking 26.08.2010 20:18 |
GratefulFan wrote: rhyeking wrote: Apparently Brian thought otherwise, QueenFan. ============================== I'm starting you think you actually liked being regularly beaten in high school. +++++++++++++++++++++++ I gave the best theory I could as to why Queen Rocks is the way it is. What else can I say except the obvious? Brian had his reasons. |
| QOL Mab 10.09.2010 23:19 |
rhyeking wrote: My US copy, bought at a Michigan 'Best Buy' (the CD + Japan Highlights DVD Edition) credits the songs thusly: Cosmos Rockin' (Taylor, Rodgers, May) Time To Shine (Rodgers, May, Taylor) Still Burnin' (May, Rodgers, Taylor) Small (Taylor, May, Rodgers) Warboys (Rodgers, Taylor, May) We Believe (May, Rodgers, Taylor) Call Me (Rodgers, May, Taylor) Voodoo (Rodger, May, Taylor) Some Things That Glitter (May, Taylor, Rodgers) C-Lebrity (Taylor, May, Rodgers) Through The Night (Rodgers, May, Taylor) Say It's Not True (Taylor, Rodgers, May) Surf's Up...School's Out! (Taylor, Rodgers, May) small reprise (Taylor, May, Rodgers) Curiously, my other CD copy, the UK Tour Edition, does NOT credit individual songs, but simply says: All tracks written by Queen + Paul Rodgers As does my US Vinyl LP copy. As I said before, the credits on this album ought to be considered fluid from now on. The first name listed in the credits appears to be correct with what we know of who wrote what songs BEFORE Q+PR formed (like "Warboys" and "Say It's Not True"). (And yes, I own three copies on this album. Living in Canada, I didn't want to wait for the North American release, so I bought the Tour Edition CD off their website. It was the only version I could buy that didn't give me a "Not available for sale in your territory" message [dumbasses!]. It arrived and that would have been that, except that when the US releases finally came around, Best Buy had the exclusive CD + DVD edition, so I grabbed it one day while in Michigan visiting my relatives [just to have the DVD]. Later, HMV was selling their Christmas stock and the LP was on sale, so I bought it because I have the other Queen albums on vinyl and it would complete the collection.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In which case Warboys is Paul's song, not Roger's, as you previously stated. Doh! |
| rhyeking 11.09.2010 02:18 |
QOL Mab wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In which case Warboys is Paul's song, not Roger's, as you previously stated. Doh! ___________ At no time in this or any other thread have I noted "Warboys" as a Roger Taylor song. I think Fried Chicken may have in this thread, though. |
| QOL Mab 11.09.2010 03:42 |
rhyeking wrote: QOL Mab wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In which case Warboys is Paul's song, not Roger's, as you previously stated. Doh! ___________ At no time in this or any other thread have I noted "Warboys" as a Roger Taylor song. I think Fried Chicken may have in this thread, though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sorry. Fried Chicken is the muddled one, not you. Apologies. |
| rhyeking 11.09.2010 11:42 |
Apology accepted, no worries. |
| inu-liger 17.09.2010 05:27 |
To answer the initial question of the topic: Yes, "Some Things That Glitter" got the IWIA treatment. The booklet credits "I Loved A Butterfly" to 'B. May' |
| Vali 17.09.2010 08:32 |
By the way, any thoughts / first impressions about the album ? any highlight from Brian ? I haven't been able to, let'say, listen to it, yet ... |
| inu-liger 17.09.2010 09:29 |
It's great, actually! And I'm being quite honest here :-) From 'Dangerland', it gets much better and better, and by the end you'll end up wanting more. Just goes by too fast, I think! :-) |
| Vali 17.09.2010 09:34 |
inu-liger wrote: It's great, actually! And I'm being quite honest here :-) From 'Dangerland', it gets much better and better, and by the end you'll end up wanting more. Just goes by too fast, I think! :-) //////////////////// hummmmm .... many tks, inu ! that sounds good !! hope I can get my ears on it during the weekend ! |
| GratefulFan 17.09.2010 09:52 |
It would have to get better from Dangerland, which sounds like something from cut from Phantom of the Opera at the last minute for taste. |
| rhyeking 17.09.2010 11:08 |
inu-liger wrote: To answer the initial question of the topic: Yes, "Some Things That Glitter" got the IWIA treatment. The booklet credits "I Loved A Butterfly" to 'B. May' ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just goes to show that the credits on The Cosmos Rocks are to be considered fluid from now on, as this isn't the first song appearing both on that album and another release with an inconsistent writing credit. Though, it's a different name for the same song, so make of that what you will in relation to the credit. I'm of the impression "I Loved A Butterfly" or just "Butterfly" is the original title. I still believe that one mis-credit ("I Want It All" on GVH2) is just a mistake or an anomoly. If it started appearing on every new release with that song, I'd wonder what was up with that, but I think it's just a proofing/editing mistake (or something along those lines). |
| Pim Derks 18.09.2010 05:04 |
Shame that Dangerland ended up on this album. I'm not fond of woman singing rocksongs - but this track would've fit easily on Cosmos Rocks. Dumb lyrics, awesome riffs, Paul belting out the lyrics - I would've loved to hear Brian offer this track to that project instead of Still Burning. Ah well... Listening to the album for the first time now. Sounds like one of Brian's better collaborations. Though that doesn't say much - with crap like Anita Dobson and Minako Honda ;) |
| Vali 19.09.2010 04:44 |
well, I've just listened to the album for the third time now and I must say it is really nice. Brian has put his heart into this work, you can notice that from the first song and, as said above, that feeling was missing in TCR. Yeah, I wish he had contributed something more ellaborated, like Dangerland, for that album. With Paul's vocals would've sounded great too. Anyway, I'm enjoying this new effort more and more after every listening. It's always good having Bri making music. That's why we love him. And seriously, looking at the CD cover, the booklet and so on I can only but go like: Kerry Ellis ?? wtf ! This album should have been released as "Brian May (featuring Kerry Ellis)" or something like that, don't you think? He's everywhere ! |