| rhyeking 12.08.2010 18:22 |
I'm sure this topic got raised 10 years ago when The Solo Collection came out (has it been that long?!), but I can't be bothered trying to find it. So, here it is fresh. The following is the best list I could come up with as to what did not make it into the boxed set. I excluded songs where he just came in to sing back up, because those really go beyond the purpose of the set. Collaborations get a little sticky, so when in doubt, I included them. Lastly, not every version I list was really needed on the set, but I'll leave it up to you to decided what should have been included. Some tracks definately warranted inclusion! Here we go... (Post Edit) “State Of Shock (Demo with Michael Jackson)” (Post Edit) “There Must Be More To Life Than This (Demo with Michael Jackson)” (Post Edit) “Victory (Demo with Michael Jackson)” “Love Kills (Queen Demo)” “Love Kills (Wolf Euro Mix)” (Post Edit) "Man-Made Paradise (Queen Demo)" (Post Edit) "There Must Be More To Life Than This (Queen Demo)" “Made In Heaven (7” Remix)” “Living On My Own (US Extended Version)” “Mr. Bad Guy (Bad Circulation Version)” * “Mr. Bad Guy (Malouf Album Mix) “I Was Born To Love You (Disconet Remix)” “She Blows Hot And Cold (Original Version)” “Exercises In Free Love (Montserrat Caballe Vocals)” “Africa By Night (Demo)” “Barcelona (TV Edit)” (Post Edit) “Barcelona (Gold Version)” = N/A its likely the Single Version “The Golden Boy (7” Edit)” “The Golden Boy (Radio Edit)” “The Golden Boy (Tim Rice Edited Version)” “The Fallen Priest (7” Edit)” “Ensueno (Instrumental)”** “Guide Me Home (Dutch Single Version)” “Living On My Own (Techno Mix)” “Living On My Own (LA Mix)” “Living On My Own (Dub Mix)” “Love Kills (Fugitive Brothers Radio Mix)” *** “Love Kills (Symphony Mix)” *** “Love Kills (Jazzy Mix)” *** “Time (2000 Remix)” “In My Defence (2000 Remix)” “The Man From Manhattan (Revisited)” (Eddie Howell, Freddie Mercury & Brian May) “The Man From Manhattan (Back Again)” (Eddie Howell, Freddie Mercury & Brian May) "You Really Did Me In" (Ian Hunter with Freddie Mercury, Roger Taylor & Brian May) “Emotions In Motions” (Billy Squier with Freddie Mercury & Roger Taylor) “Love Is The Hero (Album Version)” (Billy Squier & Freddie Mercury) “Love Is The Hero (Reach For The Sky Extended Version)” (Billy Squier & Freddie Mercury) “Time (Album Version)” “Time (Reprise) (Album Version)” “Foolin’ Around (Teachers Version)” “Heaven For Everyone (Roger Taylor vocals)” (The Cross with Freddie Mercury on backing vocals) * This demo would eventually be released in 2006 on The Very Best Of Freddie Mercury Solo double CD set. ** This claims to be on the Instrumentals disc, but it’s actually the “Exercises In Free Love (Instrumental).” *** Mixed by The Fugitive Brothers (who also did the “Love Kills (Rock Mix)”, but never issued). |
| Simulator 12.08.2010 20:09 |
Just listened to the Squier stuff again, the 7" Single Edit of Love Is The Hero really doesn't include much of Freddies vocals as most of them appear at the end, which seems just cutted. They could have filled up the second singles disc with the missing 7" Edits/Remixes and the Living On My Own US Extended Mix and made an additional cd with all the remixes from 92/93/2000. It would be an extended version of the Remixes CD released in 93 I guess. But 13 CDs wouldnt have fitted that well into the book. They could have excluded the interview disc, I never heard that entirely. You somehow missed out all the Michael Jackson stuff. You included Love Kills (Queen Demo) but missed out Man Made Paradise and There Must Be More To Live Than This Queen demos. I always thought that would have been missed out for a release in Queen Box and that is also where I would prefer to see them. |
| gooddrills 12.08.2010 21:15 |
There was a rumoured studio version of Born to Rock 'n' Roll by Freddie which is mentioned in the box set. I would have loved to have heard that. Saying that there are the live recordings from the Dominion Theatre on the 14/04/88. We have all heard the good quality version of It's In Every One of Us and then there are the poor quality audience recordings of Born to Rock 'n' Roll and In My Defence. I have read a note from Greg before stating that Dave Clarke does have the sound board recordings of the latter tracks which would be awesome to hear. You can hear Fred giving Sir Cliff a lesson how a real star sings even in the shite recordings, he just drowns him out, thankfully! The Solo Collection was an awesome release packed full of wee gems. The Queen box set, when it finally see's the light of day, will be well worth the wait. |
| pittrek 13.08.2010 07:13 |
This is the thread John S. Stuart started in 2006 : link |
| Holly2003 13.08.2010 07:42 |
I didn't know about half those even existed but for what it's worth I'm of the opinion a remix is a waste of time unless it's done by a band member and preferably the band member who is most tied to the song. I think the Hollywood Records remixes demonstrated that remixes tend to do an injustice to the original if they're done by someone with no connection to the song, and especially if that person has cloth ears. |
| Voice of Reason 2018 13.08.2010 08:12 |
I didn't realise the Queen demo of Love Kills is on the solo collection! Which version is it? Thanks. |
| rhyeking 13.08.2010 09:53 |
Thanks, Simulator, the MJ tracks were there in my notes but got missed in my cut and paste to the thread. I've just added them, along with the other Queen tracks. Voice Of Reason, the Queen demo of Love Kills is NOT on the box set, however the original single/album version, extended version and 2000 instrumental version all retain Roger's drum programming and Brian's guitar work. As does the recent More Order Remix. "Born To Rock & Roll", the studio take, was presumed lost, according to the FM box liner notes. If a live version existed, it would good to include, I guess. As for space, if you take a good look at the tracklisting, you'll see "Exercises In Free Love" appears twice in the box, on Discs 3 and 5. The Montserrat vocal version ought to have replaced the version on the Singles Disc (it was the "Barcelona" B-side). Also, I'm sure no one would have objected to including some of the 1992 & 1993 remixes on The Great Pretender CD, as bonus tracks. One possibility would have been to put the interviews on the Videos DVD. That would free up a whole CD. Lastly, to free up more space, move the "Time," "Love Kills," and "Foolin' Around" Instrumentals to the actual Instrumentals disc (there's lots of room!). |
| Rubbersuit 13.08.2010 13:37 |
I'm OK with not including alternate mixes created in post-production by others. I'd love to have more early demos though - especially queen demos of songs that ended up being solo. The MJ stuff is also crucial and the live performance of the Time songs. Listening to the early version of Mr. Bad Guy makes me wonder why he changed the lyrics soooo much. Originally it was such a menacing song, only to be replaced with "Let's go chasing rainbows in the sky..." |
| Pim Derks 13.08.2010 17:35 |
“Barcelona (Gold Version)” What is this? Never heard of it . “The Man From Manhattan (Revisited)” (Eddie Howell, Freddie Mercury & Brian May) “The Man From Manhattan (Back Again)” (Eddie Howell, Freddie Mercury & Brian May) Are unofficial mixes/edits to make a quick buck on a re-issue of Man From Manhattan in 1994. Not interesting and badly done. |
| rhyeking 13.08.2010 18:58 |
Pim Derks wrote: “Barcelona (Gold Version)” What is this? Never heard of it . “The Man From Manhattan (Revisited)” (Eddie Howell, Freddie Mercury & Brian May) “The Man From Manhattan (Back Again)” (Eddie Howell, Freddie Mercury & Brian May) Are unofficial mixes/edits to make a quick buck on a re-issue of Man From Manhattan in 1994. Not interesting and badly done. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Barcelona (Gold Version)" came from a note I have regarding a 1992 Warner compilation titled "Barcelona Gold". here's a link: link I was told at one point it had a unique edit on it, but judging by the time (4:24), it's likely just the Single Version. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. The two TMFM mixes appear on official releases, one on the 1994 re-issue single and the other on Ghost Of A Smile. They're pretty amateurish, yes, but Eddie Howell owns the rights to the song and appears to have authorized their creation. And no, I wouldn't have bothered putting them on the box set. My list is just reflects what was absent, not nessecarily what should have been. Which brings up a point I'm curious about, as there seems to be confusion over what is "official". My understanding is that whoever owns the rights to the song can either release it themselves (through a record company) or if paid for limited use rights, the song can be released by someone else. The first seems straightforward enough. Artist creates song, then releases song. The second method comes into play when artists under different record companies collaborate or if collection featuring multiple artists is issued (like a soundtrack album). Here, Freddie's estate paid Howell for the inclusion of TMFM, as well as The Cross for "Heaven For Everyone." Eddie Howell issued the 1994 single himself on his own Bud Records, so he didn't have to pay anyone. Someone in Holland paid Eddie to include TMFM (the original and re-edit) on Ghost Of a Smile. I believe that makes these official, even if they are kind of crappy. |
| Dusta 13.08.2010 19:12 |
My fantasy is that these are found, and released. The little bits and pieces I've heard show Freddie in superb form, vocally. I'm guessing this is from not touring for some time...but, whatever the reason, I'd certainly love some nice recordings of that time. gooddrills wrote: There was a rumoured studio version of Born to Rock 'n' Roll by Freddie which is mentioned in the box set. I would have loved to have heard that. Saying that there are the live recordings from the Dominion Theatre on the 14/04/88. We have all heard the good quality version of It's In Every One of Us and then there are the poor quality audience recordings of Born to Rock 'n' Roll and In My Defence. I have read a note from Greg before stating that Dave Clarke does have the sound board recordings of the latter tracks which would be awesome to hear. You can hear Fred giving Sir Cliff a lesson how a real star sings even in the shite recordings, he just drowns him out, thankfully! The Solo Collection was an awesome release packed full of wee gems. The Queen box set, when it finally see's the light of day, will be well worth the wait. |
| ITSM 20.08.2010 05:20 |
"You Are the Only One" - demo (a shame it wasn't finished!) |
| mike hunt 20.08.2010 07:36 |
ITSM wrote: "You Are the Only One" - demo (a shame it wasn't finished!) That's the one I was gonna mention.....Beautiful song......How about 'hold on' With Jo Dare?.....not sure if that one was missing. |
| rhyeking 20.08.2010 09:51 |
"You're The Only One": I filed this under a Queen demo. and unlike "Love Kills" which became a FM solo track, this one went nowhere (as far as we know). "Hold On" is on the FM boxed set. No problem there. |
| mike hunt 20.08.2010 10:37 |
I wish i picked up this solo collection when it was new......love the Barcelona sessions. now it would cost me an arm and a leg to buy. amazon has it for 500 hundred bucks. |
| Pim Derks 20.08.2010 10:54 |
rhyeking wrote: "Hold On" is on the FM boxed set. No problem there. Except that it's a horrible song ofcourse. |
| Jam Monkey 20.08.2010 13:03 |
Another couple: Living On My Own (7" Edit) New York (Early Demo) |
| rhyeking 20.08.2010 17:26 |
Pim Derks wrote: rhyeking wrote: "Hold On" is on the FM boxed set. No problem there. Except that it's a horrible song ofcourse. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The Laughing Gnome," "Tie A Yellow Ribbon Around The Old Oak Tree" and "The Macarena" are horrible songs. "Hold On" won't win any awards, but it's an okay track. Jo gives Freddie a run for him money in the vocal department. Let's not play the "I don't like it therefore it's a bad song" game. Even Queen's least loved songs have more going for them than the many genuinely awful songs that get released. Moving on... New York (Early Demo) - I thought about this, but since we have a more complete version, I'm not bothered that this was not included. I guess it deserves mention, though. That said, I didn't include that strange editted Franken-mix of a demo that is "I Was Born To Love You," leaked years ago. Living On My Own (7" Single Mix) - I believe this is just the video version put to vinyl. Technically we were given it on the DVD, but yes, it couldn't have hurt to have on CD, I suppose. Thinking more on the New York demo, it raises the point that it's unlikely that the genuine demos presented on the box are the only demo recordings of those songs (maybe one or two are, but I doubt even that). The release of the "Bad Circulation" Mr. Bad Guy shows us that Freddie did multiple versions, each with minor changes. That track is indentical to "Early Version", but with some small lyric differences. It appears that only the significantly different "drafts" of the song were presented. Do we need each recording or is the most relevant sampling all a boxed set needs? Personally, I don't need 6 minorly different takes of one demo. Since New York was a previously unheard track, and for the interest of CD space, they put what is probably the most complete demo in the set. It's something to think about if/when the Queen Anthologies get released. Let's not assume that every recording is a wholly unique demo. |
| Jam Monkey 21.08.2010 02:31 |
I agree that if every version of every track was included in would get boring. I am sure I remember GB saying that sometimes the band would take 20-30 takes to get something right, and you wouldn't include all of those. It is sometimes interesting to hear how a track prgresses, although that version of the demo is so early the words 'New York' aren't even mentioned. |
| GinjaNinja 21.08.2010 05:30 |
What is the early demo of New York? I've never heard it :( |
| Jam Monkey 21.08.2010 10:58 |
It's just a really early version, kind of like the home demo of Keep Passing The Open Windows. |
| rhyeking 21.08.2010 11:14 |
It's the last entry on this page: link |
| GinjaNinja 21.08.2010 14:53 |
Thanks, any idea where I might find it? |
| Jam Monkey 21.08.2010 16:13 |
It's not been publically shared, like alot of demos. |
| GinjaNinja 21.08.2010 16:51 |
Damn. Thanks anyway. |
| Jam Monkey 22.08.2010 09:26 |
I was listening to the Fugative Brothers Radio Mix and I believe it may be the same as the Sythesised Remix, unless someone tells me otherwise. |
| rhyeking 22.08.2010 10:54 |
Hey, Jam, I'm familiar with the Fugitive Brothers Radio Mix, but have never heard of the "Synthesized Mix". However, if you have them both and say they're the same, it's probable that the latter is just a different name for the former. |
| Jam Monkey 22.08.2010 12:38 |
Yes, the Sythesised Remix was a one of a trio of unreleased mixes by the Fugative Brothers, along with the Symphony and Jazz mixes. Clearly one of those mixes came to be know by another name. That's one of the problems with all the unreleased material, no consistant naming conventions. |
| rhyeking 22.08.2010 14:04 |
The Fugitive Brothers did the following "Love Kills" remixes which I know of: Rock Mix - appears on the FM box Radio Mix - Unreleased Jazzy Mix - Unreleased Symphony Mix - Unreleased Heck, even officially released stuff gets listed under mulitipe names: Driven By You (Radio Mix) & (New Version) are the same One Vision (Extended Version) & (Extended Vision) Keep Yourself Alive (Long Lost Re-take) & (Long Lost Original Version) Living On My Own (Underground Solutions Mix) & (Roger S Mix) Business (US Radio Mix Uncut) & (Album Version) To name a few |
| Jam Monkey 22.08.2010 15:00 |
You clearly someone who appreicates the detail of all the material out there Rhyeking, I'm glad I not the only one. |
| rhyeking 22.08.2010 16:31 |
Thank, JM. When I started accounting for different song versions, I came across the Trainspotter's Guide page in the late '90s. Adam's excellent Queen Vault.com has picked up where it left off. I was surprised by how many different edits and remixes and extended versions there were. Queen has to be right up there with the likes of Bowie in terms of alternative versions. |
| shamar 18.09.2010 06:53 |
Horns of Doom ( vocals demo 2nd take ) |
| rhyeking 18.09.2010 13:12 |
"Horns of Doom ( vocals demo 2nd take )" Never heard of it. |
| Jam Monkey 18.09.2010 16:43 |
shamar wrote: Horns of Doom ( vocals demo 2nd take ) I've never heard of this eiether. Is this something you have in your collection Shamar, or just something you've heard of. |
| Pim Derks 19.09.2010 04:29 |
I THINK there was a fake version of a vocal take of Horns of Doom floating around in the Napster-days. |
| Jam Monkey 19.09.2010 07:09 |
That's the most likley explaination. Whenever someone mentions a new demo I am always suspicious that it is a fake, but I have been susprised once or twice. On topic though, something that doesn't get mentioned very often is the Garden Lodge Tape, although of course we've heard bits. |
| Pim Derks 19.09.2010 09:43 |
I've got about 35 minutes of the Garden Lodge 29/2/1988 tape - can't say I ever really listened to it. |
| MercurialFreddie 20.09.2010 11:41 |
Does this recording (post above) has the Chopin piece played by Freddie ? |
| Pim Derks 20.09.2010 14:48 |
Haven't got a clue. I just skipped through it and if you've heard the "Shut Up And Die You Fag!"-bits - it's like that, times a 100. |
| YannickJoker 20.09.2010 15:14 |
They left out 'Two Worlds Apart', although of course, that eventually got played by the entire band. |
| John S Stuart 23.10.2010 14:18 |
pittrek wrote: This is the thread John S. Stuart started in 2006 : link Thanks for the plug. I think there was an 'official GB' reply. Although mostly unhelpful, it did add some worthwhile additional insight. I can't find it (I've tried search - but it doesn't work for me). If anyone can link to that reply, it would give a balance overview to the topic. |