| Mr Mercury 28.07.2010 08:59 |
Another barbaric "sport" bites the dust..... link |
| Holly2003 28.07.2010 09:28 |
All my favourite sports are being banned -- foxhunting, bullfighting, badger baiting -- what's next? All I have now is my Tuesday night monkey knife fights. |
| Bo Rhap 28.07.2010 14:30 |
Another pointless "sport".One for the blood thirsty. Honestly,i'd love to see them that love to go to these bullfights have spears chucked in their backs. A few of them in here need that done to them. Do you want to name them? |
| GratefulFan 28.07.2010 14:58 |
Such irony in bullfighting in that the lives of those young cows chosen to be raised for the fight are incalculably better and longer that livestock animals. They all end up together in the butcher shop in the end, excepting the rare reprieve for 'bravery', but the livestock animals typically have it infinitely worse over the course of their shortened, restricted, usually unnatural lives. |
| Holly2003 28.07.2010 15:31 |
It would be a fairer contest if the bulls had jockeys -- not human jockeys -- that would be ridiculous-- monkey jockeys, possibly also armed with a sword or maybe a little whip, or a polo mallet. And the monkeys should wear a motorcycle helmet. Or a fez. Whatever. The headwear's not really a deal clincher. Any animal rights activist would agree the addition of a monkey jockey would even things out and make for a happy compromise between animal rights and human entertainment. I'll email brian, ask him what he thinks. |
| andreas_mercury 28.07.2010 19:04 |
"Do you want to name them?" i laugh to the amount of hate that people like you to and amazon, and max seem to have for everyone ...... how do you even rise in the mornig |
| Mr.Jingles 28.07.2010 19:17 |
How fucked up mentally would someone have to be to enjoy an animal being tortured to death. I don't care if you are a vegetarian or not (and for the record I'm not), but the fact that this is considered a tradition, an art, or a sport is way beyond me. Sure, most of us eat meat, but we expect animals to the very least have a quick death with the least amount of prolonged suffering possible. I like the way 'Avatar' puts the issue of hunting for food as part of a cycle in which we hold respect for the creatures we will be consuming. Killing animals for a sport, leisure or entertainment is just sickening. |
| Amazon 28.07.2010 21:06 |
andreas_mercury wrote: "i laugh to the amount of hate that people like you to and amazon, and max seem to have for everyone ...... how do you even rise in the mornig" Nobody here hates as much as you do. Mr.Jingles wrote: "Sure, most of us eat meat, but we expect animals to the very least have a quick death with the least amount of prolonged suffering possible. I like the way 'Avatar' puts the issue of hunting for food as part of a cycle in which we hold respect for the creatures we will be consuming. Killing animals for a sport, leisure or entertainment is just sickening." I completely agree. I think it's great that Catalonia has banned bullfighting as IMO killing and torturing animals for sport or entertainment should no longer be tolerated. Here in Melbourne, there is debate every year as to whether or not duck hunting should still be allowed. Apart from the fact that the duck hunters kill for leisure, one of the worse things is that many of them are bad shots. Fox hunting, cockfights, bullfighting etc and other such 'sports' mystify me as to why people could find them entertaining. I'm not a member of PETA, I agree completely with GratefulFan about Brian's alienating tactics, and I don't always ask whether my meat comes from factory farms or not; but I do care about animal rights, and I think that banning bullfughting is a great step forward in animal rights. That said, it doesn't surprise me. It doesn't seem to be as popular with the younger generation, who are generally more aware of animal rights than previous generations. As a tradition, it also seems to be less popular with the younger generation. I would imagine that in the next few decades, other regions will follow suit. |
| tcc 28.07.2010 21:39 |
Another bloody sport that should be banned is boxing. This involves human beings but people seem to care more about animals. |
| andreas_mercury 29.07.2010 00:54 |
"Nobody here hates as much as you do" that is not true as i have worked a lot in my community and local. too bad for you that i just do not suffer a fool gladly and this forum is the motherload of fools ... |
| tcc 29.07.2010 01:20 |
There is a saying that when you point a finger at someone, one finger (the thumb) points to heaven, and three fingers point back to yourself. Don't shoot me - I am only tresspassing :-) |
| Rick 29.07.2010 03:23 |
Should have been banned ages ago. |
| andreas_mercury 29.07.2010 04:17 |
i like that of finger pointing quote, its wise.... nicely done |
| magicalfreddiemercury 29.07.2010 07:12 |
>> tcc wrote: Another bloody sport that should be banned is boxing. This involves human beings but people seem to care more about animals. << Because the animals have no say, whereas people can choose to box or not. I saw this news a couple of days ago and was thrilled. It boggles the mind how people can enjoy watching animal torture... and further stuns me how supposedly civilized societies can allow it in the first place. I doubt it'll happen but do hope the rest of Spain soon follows suit. |
| Bo Rhap 29.07.2010 15:10 |
andreas_mercury wrote: "Do you want to name them?" i laugh to the amount of hate that people like you to and amazon, and max seem to have for everyone ...... how do you even rise in the mornig =============================================================================================== I do not hate anyone in here but i do know somebody who does and is in fact in denial. I am not particularly an animal lover but i would never see an animal suffer in the name of "entertainment" or "sport" Thats barbarism in its extreme. |
| Amazon 29.07.2010 18:07 |
andreas_mercury wrote: "Nobody here hates as much as you do" "that is not true as i have worked a lot in my community and local. too bad for you that i just do not suffer a fool gladly and this forum is the motherload of fools ..." Yawn.... Whatever, troll. "tcc wrote: Another bloody sport that should be banned is boxing. This involves human beings but people seem to care more about animals." I don't agree at all. Putting aside whether one likes boxing or not (I BTW love it), it's consensual. People choose to fight. Bulls don't choose to 'fight'. |
| andreas_mercury 29.07.2010 18:32 |
"Yawn.... Whatever, troll" actually to follow me into every thread to complaining is a troll action ... you are off topic and a rude bitch. |
| Amazon 29.07.2010 19:07 |
andreas_mercury wrote: "actually to follow me into every thread to complaining is a troll action ... you are off topic and a rude bitch." LOL You are the one who brought up hate. You are also the one who follows me into threads and abuses me. As for being off topic and rude, you should look in the mirror. Nice try calling me a troll, but the only troll here is you. Who is also, it seems, a misogynist. Like Skip. You two are so alike, it's sickening. |
| andreas_mercury 29.07.2010 19:08 |
at least i dont worship kiss |
| Amazon 29.07.2010 19:16 |
andreas_mercury wrote: "at least i dont worship kiss" Uh, neither do I. Are you confusing me with Skip? Because you're getting desperate. For your information, there is only one Kiss song I actually like. Worship Kiss? LOL. You really are getting desperate if you throw insults at me, which have nothing to do with me! I also don't like country music. How about you say something like 'at least I don't worship country music'? LOL BTW, you do realise that you are seriously off topic? You accused me of going off topic (even though you started it), and now look at this! You also don't dispute that you're a misogynist and that you are identical to Skip. Now, can we get back to discussing the bullfighting ban, or would you prefer to troll? |
| magicalfreddiemercury 29.07.2010 21:16 |
>> magicalfreddiemercury wrote: Because the animals have no say, whereas people can choose to box or not.<< >> Amazon wrote: People choose to fight. Bulls don't choose to 'fight'.<< == Well, I'll be. We actually agree on something. |
| andreas_mercury 30.07.2010 02:12 |
"Uh, neither do I. Are you confusing me with Skip" but i was writing to my differences between me and skip as you said i was the same as him ....... why does all posts have to be about you? the super ego |
| Amazon 30.07.2010 03:58 |
andreas_mercury wrote: "but i was writing to my differences between me and skip as you said i was the same as him ....... why does all posts have to be about you? the super ego" lol. Maybe you could attempt to be be more specific about whom you're talking about? Unless you say that you're talking about Skip, I can only assume that you're talking about me. Especially since all you do is insult me. magicalfreddiemercury wrote: "Well, I'll be. We actually agree on something." There's a first time for everything. Hopefully it will be the last time. |
| GratefulFan 30.07.2010 17:59 |
On boxing: Sometime in 1980 or 1981 my friends and I somehow ended up hanging out in a downtown hotel room with a few members of a boxing team from Toronto. They were 18 or so, and we were 13 or 14, pretending to be older. The situation was as you might imagine it, with abundant alchohol and abundant awkward moves. I wouldn't bother to set the mildly sordid tale, except that it's an important part of the story because there was one boxer who was in complete contrast with the others. He didn't want to drink, and he didn't want to fool around, and he didn't want to do any other single thing that might affect his tournament match the next day. He fascinated me, and I extracted myself from the situation I didn't want to be in anyway and spent the next 2 or 3 hours talking to him about everything and nothing. It was probably as good a conversation I've ever had with anybody. He was gentle, and smart, and funny and he had this great open face, but he had this steely focus on being a champion at the same time. It was the first time I understood the difference between being good and being great, watching him and watching his teammates. He went on to do Canada pround, winning the silver medal in the 1984 Olympics, and he eventually turned pro. Now, Shawn O'Sullivan is in his late 40's. That young man I talked to 30 years ago is utterly gone. In his place is an old, old man that suffers from boxer's dementia. His speech is slurred, his thoughts are slow, he loses his balance frequently, and his memory fails him constantly. Boxing is a choice, but they don't really know what they're chosing. They don't believe they'll ever be anything other than young and strong and resiliant. In my view, something has to be done to better inform or protect these guys. If anybody is interested, there is an interview from earlier this year with Shawn O'Sullivan here: http://www.globaltvbc.com/Shawn+Sullivan/2437480/story.html |
| Amazon 31.07.2010 08:12 |
GratefulFan wrote: "Boxing is a choice, but they don't really know what they're chosing. They don't believe they'll ever be anything other than young and strong and resiliant. In my view, something has to be done to better inform or protect these guys." I absolutely agree that something needs to be done to protect them. But I don't think that banning is the answer. Personally, I love boxing. I consider it to be one of the world's most skillful sports. I also have a personal connection as I've dated three boxers (none of whom went beyond the local/national level), and when I was younger I did a bit of boxing myself. That said, there needs to be far better protection of boxers who are vastly inferior to their opponents, and those who are in no condition to fight. In Australia, recently, Danny Green knocked out Paul Briggs in 29 seconds. Not only was Briggs overweight, but he has neurological problems. New South Wales didn't sanction the fight, however Western Australia did. WA should never have sanctioned it, Green should never have fought him, the relevent boxing authorities should have stepped in, and Briggs should have been prevented from fighting Green when he was in absolutely no condition to do so. |
| GratefulFan 31.07.2010 09:39 |
Amazon wrote: Personally, I love boxing. I consider it to be one of the world's most skillful sports. I also have a personal connection as I've dated three boxers (none of whom went beyond the local/national level) ===================== We call that first/third base here. ;) |
| andreas_mercury 31.07.2010 11:36 |
"Especially since all you do is insult me" that is not true to that, here i can say one positive thing is that you are committed |
| Amazon 06.08.2010 15:41 |
andreas_mercury wrote: "that is not true to that, here i can say one positive thing is that you are committed" Right, whatever. GratefulFan wrote: Amazon wrote: "Personally, I love boxing. I consider it to be one of the world's most skillful sports. I also have a personal connection as I've dated three boxers (none of whom went beyond the local/national level) ===================== We call that first/third base here. ;)" :D :D I should probably admitt that my description of them was quite generous. One of them was ranked among Australia's top ten amatuer boxers in his weight division (middleweight) but was not good enough to turn professional, and went into teaching instead. He was the equivalent of an American basketball player who starred in his high school, and perhaps college as well, but wasn't good enough to make the NBA. Another fighter that I've dated was a good under-19's boxer who became a good local boxer, and earned a bit of money; but was not good enough to sustain a proper career and decided to retire after a brief career. He actually went into kickboxing, but it was never serious. The third fighter I dated was an extremely talented female boxer, but female boxing (especially in Australia) is even harder to achieve success in than men's boxing, and although she was at it for a while, she never really went anywhere. |
| andreas_mercury 07.08.2010 08:17 |
"Right, whatever" "There's a first time for everything. Hopefully it will be the last time" your not only rude in my face but rude to all of the thread, i hope that your husband will teach you some lessons. |
| Amazon 09.08.2010 04:56 |
andreas_mercury wrote: "your not only rude in my face" No, the only person who is rude is you. You are nothing but a disgusting troll. The fact that you pick out what I say, TO OTHER PEOPLE, on this thread, as well as the Mosque thread, proves what a filthy troll you are. As for being rude, remind me, who was it who called the other person a bitch? Nasty creature. Rude is your middle name. "but rude to all of the thread" It's none of your business how I treat other people. I don't base my behaviour on what nasty trolls like you think. Thank god I don't. "i hope that your husband will teach you some lessons." I'm not marrried, but are you suggesting that if I were, he should 'teach me a lesson?' You are not only a repulsive misogynist, but a psychopath as well. The fact that you think that domestic violence is an answer to anything shows what a filthy, nasty, morally and intellectually bankrupt little creature you truly are. |
| GratefulFan 09.08.2010 23:24 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: How fucked up mentally would someone have to be to enjoy an animal being tortured to death. I don't care if you are a vegetarian or not (and for the record I'm not), but the fact that this is considered a tradition, an art, or a sport is way beyond me. Sure, most of us eat meat, but we expect animals to the very least have a quick death with the least amount of prolonged suffering possible. I like the way 'Avatar' puts the issue of hunting for food as part of a cycle in which we hold respect for the creatures we will be consuming. Killing animals for a sport, leisure or entertainment is just sickening. ================================ Reality check: the meat we eat largely comes from animals who are accorded nothing resembling respect no matter what Avatar says. Cramped, shitty and often brutal conditions followed by an early, ignoble death. I wish it was different. I'd definitely pay for that. For me there's always been a large gap between me having no interest in hunting, bullfighting etc. and thinking that other people who do are somehow sickening. The biggest difference between raising a cow for meat and raising a cow for a bullfight (right before he becomes meat) is the vastly superior quality of life for the bull. Still, the decision is important as a symbol of changing mores and perhaps foreshadows changes in the farming industry where the greatest suffering almost certainly occurs. In bullfighting, it's unlikely that the pleasure is in watching the animal suffer and fade, but in the dance of the matador and, yes, in tradition. It's become an anachronism in Catalonia with other regions likely to follow in years to come, but I hardly think we're just waiting for all the sickening people to die. |
| andreas_mercury 10.08.2010 08:21 |
"I'm not marrried" and this to must be a mystery .......... "The fact that you think that domestic violence is an answer to anything shows what a filthy, nasty, morally and intellectually bankrupt little creature you truly are." you are crazy and inventive! i did not ever say once your husband will beat you, you are making it all up. youre words, and not mine. and your not ever sorry that you rude to the intelligent posters of the threads like sir GH who has 1000000x of your brain ability. you just say "of none of your business", oh how and then to make up of domsetic violence even though i never said it? you are classic overgrond child like mel gibson, someone who grows to adult hood and is never told right or wrong and think they can do whatever and when ever they need to do it, whell one day you will find out how wrong you are and that you aren't. never to just run amock and do what you like and treat people like their shit just because they are smarter than you and you can't talk in their league. |
| Amazon 10.08.2010 10:53 |
andreas_mercury wrote: "I'm not marrried" and this to must be a mystery .........." LOL I am in a relationship. Are you in a relationship? More to the point, have you EVER been in a relationship? With a real-life person, that is? "you are crazy and inventive! i did not ever say once your husband will beat you, you are making it all up. youre words, and not mine." Then what does 'i hope that your husband will teach you some lessons' mean? Sorry, but you can't worm your way out of this one. "and your not ever sorry that you rude to the intelligent posters of the threads like sir GH who has 1000000x of your brain ability." Whethere Sir Gh has 1000000x of my brain ability (LOL!!!!!) is irrelevent. It is NONE of your business how I treat other members. As I said, I don't base my behaviour on what nasty trolls like you think, and thank god I don't. "you just say "of none of your business", oh how and then to make up of domsetic violence even though i never said it?" You implied it. What does wanting my husband to teach me a lesson mean? Furthermore, it is none of your business. "you are classic overgrond child like mel gibson, someone who grows to adult hood and is never told right or wrong and think they can do whatever and when ever they need to do it, whell one day you will find out how wrong you are and that you aren't. never to just run amock and do what you like and treat people like their shit just because they are smarter than you and you can't talk in their league." I'm sorry, are you talking about yourself? Because that describes you perfectly. Let's examine it. You are a foul child like Gibson, who like him is anti-Semitic, and who thinks that domestic violence can be justified. You don't know the difference between right or wrong, as your behaviour here indicates. Tell me, as well as not being taught that domestic violence is wrong, were you also not taught that it is wrong to call people a bitch and to be abusive? You also clearly think that you can do whatever you want, not just with me but with other members. Well, as you said, you will one day discover how wrong you are. Finally you talked about 'treating people like their shit just because they are smarter than you and you can't talk in their league', well, that alone describes you more than anything else!!! Congratulations, you just described yourself to a tee! :D :D :D I don't like you, you clearly don't like me, so why don't we just end this here? |
| andreas_mercury 10.08.2010 12:02 |
"Are you in a relationship?" i am engaged in yes |
| Bo Rhap 10.08.2010 14:48 |
andreas_mercury wrote: "Are you in a relationship?" i am engaged in yes ============================================================================================== Whoopee doo! Whats this got to do with banning bullfighting? |
| GratefulFan 10.08.2010 15:39 |
Bo Rhap wrote: andreas_mercury wrote: "Are you in a relationship?" i am engaged in yes ============================================================================================== Whoopee doo! Whats this got to do with banning bullfighting? ==================== He's engaged to a bull, and now not only is he screwed on the big life insurance policy, but he has to get rid of all his red heart boxers and he is stuck looking at that big ugly bull face for the rest of his life. Be gentle. |
| andreas_mercury 10.08.2010 20:00 |
dont blame to me, the crazy person was asking me a question to I answered it ...... and my partner is not ugly but i did laugh to your post as it was great |
| Amazon 11.08.2010 01:24 |
Crazy person? I'm not the one who started it; so, yes, we absolutely should blame you!!! |
| andreas_mercury 11.08.2010 06:02 |
sorry but in my life its been the rule to answer a question if i get asked one ..... just polite behavior. |
| Amazon 11.08.2010 06:30 |
andreas_mercury wrote: "sorry but in my life its been the rule to answer a question if i get asked one ..... just polite behavior." Are we going to start another endless idiotic 'discussion'? Because, just so you know, I only asked you that question (you practise polite behaviour? LOL) because you made that stupid comment about my not being married. Also, it's not 'polite' to call someone a crazy person, but then look whom I'm talking about; the master of rude. |
| andreas_mercury 11.08.2010 23:33 |
it was actual wrong of me to say crazy or bitch but if you see, you keep writing things like 'idiot' and 'troll' it becomes hard to just talk to you as adult because you wont return the curtesy. |
| LittleSilhouetto 13.08.2010 05:53 |
Going back to the original question, I've been doing a lot of research about bullfighting as part of my Spanish course. Firstly, bullfighting in Cataluna has not been banned because of animal right campainers. It's been dropped purely because the ticket sales have fallen so much, it's not viable anymore. Secondly, there is so much to what happens between the torero, the bull and the audience, that we in england do not understand and don't start to understand until you learn about it. Yes, the bull suffers cruelty for 20 minutes in the ring. Unfortunately, general farming methods of poultry and pigs in our farming methods, our treatment of pets and animals in labs mean that they suffer a whole lifetime of cruelty. If you've ever put rat poison down for rats, it takes the rat 2-3 days to die in agony. So now who are the cruel ones ? I'm neither for nor against bullfighting, but I cn provide a more balanced view. |
| FriedChicken 13.08.2010 07:26 |
I think there's a huge difference in killing animals for sheer entertainment (It sickens me to use that word in this context!!) and killing animals to gain information on diseases or vaccinations. |
| Amazon 15.08.2010 12:06 |
andreas_mercury wrote: "it was actual wrong of me to say crazy or bitch but if you see, you keep writing things like 'idiot' and 'troll' it becomes hard to just talk to you as adult because you wont return the curtesy." I call you a 'troll' and 'idiot' based on what you say to me. If you don't call me names, stalk me, pick out what I say to other members, insult me, start fights with me, and act like a troll, then I won't call you a 'troll' or an 'idiot' and I will treat you like an adult. Your choice. |
| Mr Mercury 19.08.2010 11:58 |
Some idiots never learn. Sad to also say that this bull was put down after this "traditional event". And I hope the boy who is seriously ill gets better soon... link |
| GratefulFan 19.08.2010 20:11 |
That is a disturbing video for sure. Terrified animal, terrified people, seriously injured child...not good. To illustrate the capacity of the human mind for ridiculousness, that video immediately made me think of this. I apologize for myself in advance. |
| john bodega 21.08.2010 14:13 |
I haven't the slightest problem admitting that I laughed until my lungs hurt when I saw that bull charging into the crowd a few days ago. |