| Kacoblin 17.06.2010 20:05 |
I sometimes make up my own fantasy of what the four Queenies should have done differently with an album. Like for instance, i made up my own depiction of their eponymous album: Keep yourself alive Doing Alright Great king Rat Mad the swine My fairy king Liar Polar Bear The night comes down Hangman Son an Daughter Jesus As much as i love Modern Times rock n, roll and Freddies idea that he would end the first album with seven seas of rye, then begin the second with the finished version. I chose what i think would of made this album more of an instant classic, even though i love it just as it was released, i feel like they could of added more songs. Perhaps even Silver Samon. What do you all think? Anything you would change about any Queen album of any sort? |
| Adrianats 17.06.2010 21:49 |
Well, there are some things I'd do slightly differently. In the song Sail away sweet sister for example, I'd let Freddie sing the whole thing, not just the bridge, and Brian would keep singing the backing vocals, I thought that song matched Freddie's voice, I really don't know why the hell they didn't leave the song for him to sing it entirely. I wouldn't put the song Delilah in any album...that's really a bad song, even from Queen. That's Ok it's kinda cute it's dedicated to his cat, but even so, that really sucks..it's a real joke for sure. If I remember any other thing I post here. |
| jamster1111 17.06.2010 23:59 |
I think that they should have ended News of the World with WWRY and champions and opened it with It's Late |
| rhyeking 18.06.2010 01:54 |
I'd love to hear Flash Gordon without the movie dialogue. I know it was Brian's idea to weave the sound-bites throughout in order to make the album seem like a movie experience, but I'd really like to hear the Queen + Howard Blake score by itself. Issue a 30th Anniversary Edition Soundtrack, with the original album and the "dialogue-free" version, and I'd be a happy camper! Incidently, Howard Blake has released his score to the film, which makes for great listening (free of film clips). |
| Marina K. 18.06.2010 03:14 |
ooh darlings.. the album that I'm sure that he must be such as he is - it is Made in heaven, nothing to add, nothing to delete, absolutely perfect work in my opinion. edited by heaven. |
| Kacoblin 18.06.2010 03:40 |
I couldn't agree more dear, i do love that album very much, i wonder what it would of sounded like if Freddie was still alive to make an altercations, or further compositions. I still sometimes think Innuendo could have been made into some kind of double album. Queen did say they had like 25 songs written, now wheither these were bits and pieces {a new life is born} or little typical Freddie ad-libs[ I guess were falling out, my secret fantasy] i have no knowledge of. Though you have to admit, the idea is quite intreging, and keeps us Queen fans up at night, like i am right now. |
| Marina K. 18.06.2010 05:28 |
Kacoblin wrote: Though you have to admit, the idea is quite intreging, and keeps us Queen fans up at night, like i am right now. oh yeah.. |
| marvinp01 18.06.2010 10:09 |
A Day At The Races should open with: Overture (The menacing opening riff from Hyde Park) News of the world It's Late Silver Salmon All Dead All Dead Spread Your Wings Fight From The Inside Get Down Make Love Sleeping On The Sidewalk Feelings, Feelings Sheer Heart Attack My Melancholy Blues We Will Rock You We Are The Champions The Game Sandbox should be added after Don't Try Suicide |
| TRS-Romania 18.06.2010 14:49 |
The Works "I Want to Break Free" "Keep Passing the Open Windows" "Radio Ga Ga" "Is This the World We Created...?" "Tear It Up" "I Go Crazy" "It's a Hard Life" "Machines (Or 'Back to Humans')" "Hammer to Fall" |
| TRS-Romania 18.06.2010 14:53 |
A Kind of Magic . "One Vision" (GH II version , the AKOM album version sucks!) "One Year of Love" "Friends Will Be Friends" "A Kind of Magic" "Pain Is So Close to Pleasure" "Princes of the Universe" "Gimme the Prize (Kurgan's Theme)" "Don't Lose Your Head" "Who Wants to Live Forever" |
| Kacoblin 18.06.2010 15:52 |
For the Innuendo album: 1. Innnuendo 2 I'm going slightly mad 3. Headlong 4. I can't live with you 5. Don't try so hard 6. My secret Fantasy {finished lyrics} 7. Ride the wild wind 8. Face it Alone { finished version } 9. These are the days of our lives 10. I guess were falling out [with not ad libs } 11. Bjou 12. Assassin { Who knows what this unknown track sounds like, some claim it's the foundation for Innuendo } 13. The show must go on The hitman [seem like an album filler, and it really doesn't fit in with the mood of the album} Although Freddies vocal performance is phoenominal. All gods people [ I would have kept this song on the Barcelona album, since that is it's origns} Or just kept it unreleased, and released Face it alone instead. Again Freddies vocal capacity exceeds greatly. As much as i sincerely adore "delilah" it could possibly stay, or maybe it could of just remained unreleased. |
| david (galashiels) 18.06.2010 18:29 |
why change perfection? |
| Kacoblin 18.06.2010 18:38 |
Oh no dear, i loved Innuendo more than the next Queen fan. I personally feel like certain songs could have been added, if finished. It's just a hypothetical theory, of what if they did differently, or could they have added this song or that song. I personally woudln't changed anything about the fabulous work Queen has done. I suppose the fact that the songs that weren't included are unreleased is exciting for us Queenies, and if the band had released everything, all their scraps of work on their studio albums. We wouldn't have alot to look forward to, and discuss on this Queen fan base. |
| Band Forever 19.06.2010 01:08 |
Would have released all the Brian & Roger lead tracks with Freddie Mercury on lead vocals. 1. Rock It 2. Long Way 3. Sail Away Sweet Sister 4. Hijack My Heart 5. Sheer Heart Attack plus all the others. I personally believe the limited range of Roger and Brian held back some songs potential. |
| Dim 19.06.2010 04:31 |
Sheer Hear Attack has Freddie Lead, and the fact that he sung it in Rock n Roll style make this garage- punk- rock song more pioneer than anything in 1974-1977. |
| Dim 19.06.2010 05:02 |
THE WORKS Radio Ga GA Tear It Up It's A Hard Life Killing Time (Roger Taylor solo 1984 has Freddie bcking voclas) Man On Prowl Man On Fire (Roger Taylor solo 1984 or unreleased Queen version with Freddie Lead vocals) There Must Be More Life Than This ( Freddie Mercury solo 1984-85 or Queen unreleased version) Machines or Back To Humans I Go Crazy (B/side on Radio ga ga) I Want To Break Free Keep Passing The Open Windows Love Kills (Freddie Mercury solo 1984 or Queen unreleased version) Hammer to Fall Is This The World Are We Created? Extra track (Thanks God It's Christmas) |
| brians wig 19.06.2010 05:02 |
Band Forever wrote: Would have released all the Brian & Roger lead tracks with Freddie Mercury on lead vocals. 1. Rock It 2. Long Way 3. Sail Away Sweet Sister 4. Hijack My Heart 5. Sheer Heart Attack plus all the others. I personally believe the limited range of Roger and Brian held back some songs potential. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with some of the stuff that Brian whined his way through (get rid of 'She Makes Me' completely and replace it with whiote noise if you have to), but Roger's singing ROCKS man! Wish he'd done more, but I'm so glad he's done far more solo stuff than any of the others. Roger is THE MAN and I can't wait for his new album. |
| A Word In Your Ear 19.06.2010 06:02 |
brians wig wrote: Band Forever wrote: Would have released all the Brian & Roger lead tracks with Freddie Mercury on lead vocals. 1. Rock It 2. Long Way 3. Sail Away Sweet Sister 4. Hijack My Heart 5. Sheer Heart Attack plus all the others. I personally believe the limited range of Roger and Brian held back some songs potential. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with some of the stuff that Brian whined his way through (get rid of 'She Makes Me' completely and replace it with whiote noise if you have to), but Roger's singing ROCKS man! Wish he'd done more, but I'm so glad he's done far more solo stuff than any of the others. Roger is THE MAN and I can't wait for his new album. ____________________________________________________________________________________________ I agree with Brians wig, Roger & Brian's voice fit most of the songs they sang on & in the democratic band I'm sure Freddie would have agreed, if not, I'm sure he would have fought his cause. now the only thing that comes to mind, about changing things on a Queen Album, would be the cringe-worthy "Meows" on Delilah!!!!! |
| ILoveQueen20 19.06.2010 08:05 |
'Would you change anything about a Queen album?' NO. NO I would not.>:-} wanna know why? because ALL the Queen albms are just perfect the way they are.(yes even hot space) (IMO) Your actaully insulting Queen by saying how you would change their albums blah blah blah. Queen worked hard on their albums & produced some amazing stuff. |
| Band Forever 19.06.2010 09:00 |
I agree with most comments on some of the songs sounded ok with the voices of Brian and Roger, but the fact remains the best Rock vocalist universally recognised, would have taken these songs to another dimension. For posterity keep the albums under EMI label in their present format, but if Universal find or gain access to Freddie's vocals on some of Brian's and Roger's songs re-release this material on a new re-mastered album I agree 'She makes me' is about the most boring and weak song in the Queen catalouge, and Delilah was the band indulging Freddie as his time was ending. As for Sheer Heart Attack if you listen carefully that is most definitely Roger on Lead with Freddie mixed in. Some Day / One Day would have sounded great with Freddie too. |
| Dim 19.06.2010 10:24 |
Lead vocals on sheer heart attack is Freddie. Some nah and chorus is mixed with vocals of Roger and Freddie Also check this link In News of the world , who plays and sung what is stated very clear. |
| Canadian May Fan 19.06.2010 11:41 |
Considering that many of the Hot Space songs sounded better live (ie. with Queen's real instruments) than in the studio, sometimes I've wondered what a rework of that would sound like. |
| Holly2003 19.06.2010 13:49 |
A Queen version of Polar Bear would've been a great addition to the debut album, as would a version of Hangman (with better lyrics!). However, Mad the Swine is one of Queen's most annoying songs and having that and Jesus on the same album might've been too Ned Flanders. Really interesting idea to start NOTW with It's Late: what a change in dynamics that would be, but still, I regard that album as almost perfect so it's still hard to vote for a change. I also like TRS-Romania and Dim's suggestions: great stuff! I've always regretted that Queen didn't release a double studio album around the ADATR period, and that they didn't do a concept album in the 1970s. Anyway, my suggestions: A Human Body instead of Coming Soon on The Game and they should've found a way to get See What A Fool I've Been on Queen 2 (probably instead of either Freddie's 'wall of sound' homage, Funny How Love Is, or Roger's weak Loser in the End); and Soul Brother instead of Body Langage on Hot Space. |
| rhyeking 21.06.2010 21:26 |
In my opinion, the closest Queen ever got to a concept album was Queen II. The only song that overtly doesn't fit the fantasy/epic themes is "Loser In The End". It's a personal preference thing, for sure, but I don't think I'll ever understand people's dislike for "Funny How Love Is." "The March Of The Black Queen" builds at the end and FHLI sustains that crescendo for about three minutes with a wall of sound, like we just climbed out of a dark and dangerous place and are standing triumphantly atop a mountain! The song just soars! Anyway...obviously, I like it. "See What A Fool I've Been," (I'm speculating a bit here) might not have been included on Queen II due to Brian not wanting the album to land in a copyright hassle. At the time, he couldn't remember which blues song inspired it and might have feared a lawsuit if someone said, "Hey, that's a rip off of my song!" Keeping it off meant the band had to deal only with residuals of "The Seven Seas Of Rhye" single and not the entire album's sales. When he did find out, 30 years later, that it was Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee's "That's How I Feel," he said he was going to attempt to get a hold of their estates (they've both passed away) and settle the bill, as it were. |
| The Real Wizard 21.06.2010 22:17 |
Queen - leave it alone Queen II - Loser In The End is the only weak track SHA - leave it alone ANATO - sheer perfection ADATR - leave it alone NOTW - replace Fight From The Inside with a Queen version of I Wanna Testify Jazz - scrap Fun It in favour of... a better song Game - add another Roger track later used for Fun In Space, and have Freddie sing all of Rock It Hot Space - Soul Brother instead of Action This Day, scrap Body Language, and shift around the track listing Works - scrap Man On The Prowl in favour of a Queen version of Man On Fire, and one more song as it's a short album Magic - lots of filler... write better songs, or do a Queen version of something from Mr Bad Guy or Strange Frontier Miracle - I Guess We're Falling Out instead of My Baby Does Me, Hang On In There instead of Rain Must Fall Innuendo - perfect, other than Delilah. But let the man have his wish. Made In Heaven - perfect, considering what they had to work with |
| Kacoblin 21.06.2010 22:34 |
I was thinkin the same thing about "See what a fool i've been". It's a great little encore to hear live though. The studio version released on the 1991 hollywood reissues, was very flamboyant and tongue in cheek. Probably the best version was the 1973 BBC version. I wouldn't change anything about Queen II. I mean "loser in the end" isn't the greatest, though at the same time it isn't disasterous. It works for me at least. My point in making this thread, was just to see if people had their own personal opinions on why or why didn't Queen release certain songs that have remained unreleased. The only conclusion i have for Hangman, is that it was unfinished. It does seem like it's missing some bits {lyrically}. Polar bear, most likey because it was originally a smile track, and Brian didn't want to get into publishing rights with Tim Staffel. Doing Alright was released though, and in my opinion Polar Bear should have been added as well. Silver samon is another supposed Tim staffel [maybe Brian may as well] track. It also seems unfinished the recording we're given. That could be because the band didn't remember all of it, and we're just practicing or building up to another song. Or perhaps rehearsing this song as a candidate for the eponymous album. Feelings, is without a doubt an unfinished track. It doesn't seem to fit on News of the world [where it was supposedly recorded}. I also have a question for everyone. Freddie brought over from Wreckage, Ibex {Lover, stone cold crazy,} to Queen. Brian took { Polar bear, Doing alright, the guitar solo in Blag} and brough them to Queen. Why didn't Freddie bring over any other pre-Queen tracks? Or why do you think he might not have? Was he not the sole writer? Did he co-write the tracks that we know of? I don't the exact source of this piece of information. One of the members from either Wreckage or Ibex said alot of their tracks sounded like Led Zeppelin rip offs. Since this was one of Freddies biggest influences at the time. I can't think of all of the tracks that we know are {Wreckage, Ibex} songs. These are some off the top of my head: Bag-a-blues, cancer on my mind, universal theme, and of course Green. |
| The_CrY 22.06.2010 13:30 |
I would really add the to "I Want to Break Free" the synth intro that also featured on the single version. It just adds a lot to the song I would otherwise skip the hell out of. |
| sharoncooper 22.06.2010 14:07 |
Noway, they all their stuff kicks ass!!!!!They are the shit!!!! |
| Queenman!! 23.06.2010 02:18 |
I would change the Kind Of MAgic Album to a soundtrack album with all full songs included (NEW YORK, NEW YORK etc) |
| mike hunt 23.06.2010 17:56 |
rhyeking wrote: In my opinion, the closest Queen ever got to a concept album was Queen II. The only song that overtly doesn't fit the fantasy/epic themes is "Loser In The End". It's a personal preference thing, for sure, but I don't think I'll ever understand people's dislike for "Funny How Love Is." "The March Of The Black Queen" builds at the end and FHLI sustains that crescendo for about three minutes with a wall of sound, like we just climbed out of a dark and dangerous place and are standing triumphantly atop a mountain! The song just soars! Anyway...obviously, I like it. "See What A Fool I've Been," (I'm speculating a bit here) might not have been included on Queen II due to Brian not wanting the album to land in a copyright hassle. At the time, he couldn't remember which blues song inspired it and might have feared a lawsuit if someone said, "Hey, that's a rip off of my song!" Keeping it off meant the band had to deal only with residuals of "The Seven Seas Of Rhye" single and not the entire album's sales. When he did find out, 30 years later, that it was Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee's "That's How I Feel," he said he was going to attempt to get a hold of their estates (they've both passed away) and settle the bill, as it were. Totally agree about funny how love is....Love the song and fit's perfectly on side black...I wouldn't touch it. On the other hand I would have replaced loser in the end (the only weak song on Queen2) with the brian tune see what a fool I'v Been. I alway's like that one. |
| mike hunt 23.06.2010 18:48 |
Sir GH wrote: Queen - leave it alone Queen II - Loser In The End is the only weak track SHA - leave it alone ANATO - sheer perfection ADATR - leave it alone NOTW - replace Fight From The Inside with a Queen version of I Wanna Testify Jazz - scrap Fun It in favour of... a better song Game - add another Roger track later used for Fun In Space, and have Freddie sing all of Rock It Hot Space - Soul Brother instead of Action This Day, scrap Body Language, and shift around the track listing Works - scrap Man On The Prowl in favour of a Queen version of Man On Fire, and one more song as it's a short album Magic - lots of filler... write better songs, or do a Queen version of something from Mr Bad Guy or Strange Frontier Miracle - I Guess We're Falling Out instead of My Baby Does Me, Hang On In There instead of Rain Must Fall Innuendo - perfect, other than Delilah. But let the man have his wish. Made In Heaven - perfect, considering what they had to work with how about love kills instead of man on the prowl for the works, and man made paradise, love me like there's no tomorrow instead of pain and pleasure and don't lose your head. Freddie and his solo album hurt Those two albums. |
| matt z 02.07.2010 18:19 |
CHANGE....a QUEEN ALBUM???? u all must be crazy to pose that topic... the only one i think had some relevance was a "rearrangement" of THE WORKS. (their weakest album IMO) The addition of the film versions of WWTLF and AKOM....and that NEW YORK NEW YORK bit (collectors edition or something) COSMOS ROCKS: SCRATCH (omit) the cosmos rocks and Still Burning (or AT LEAST get rid of that GMC truck commercial style songwriting... the lyrics are sooo corny the lyrics REALLy really bring down the strength of a lot of the music) Remix WARBOYS... i've heard a better DEMO from PR. and cast SURF'S UP SCHOOL'S OUT... into the deep abyss... ...FOREVER. it's awful. maybe release it as an EP. ;) oh...and get roger to write more songs on it. ....maybe something he'd thought of while stumping his foot on a table or something. Everything else is GREAT, guys. BEYOND great... craft like... amazement. |
| matt z 02.07.2010 18:30 |
Kacoblin wrote: I sometimes make up my own fantasy of what the four Queenies should have done differently with an album. Like for instance, i made up my own depiction of their eponymous album: Keep yourself alive Doing Alright Great king Rat Mad the swine My fairy king Liar Polar Bear The night comes down Hangman Son an Daughter Jesus As much as i love Modern Times rock n, roll and Freddies idea that he would end the first album with seven seas of rye, then begin the second with the finished version. I chose what i think would of made this album more of an instant classic, even though i love it just as it was released, i feel like they could of added more songs. Perhaps even Silver Samon. What do you all think? Anything you would change about any Queen album of any sort? OH and one more IMPORTANT thing. REMOVE FRED'S MOUSTACHE FROM ALL ALBUM ART 1981-ONWARD. (it'll make all my stuff an instant collectible) |
| Kacoblin 03.07.2010 00:22 |
I love all of Queens works! This website gives people freedom to ask questions, and have discussions on any topics relating to Queen. I just asked a hypothetical question to anybody out there that had their hypothesis on this topic. I'm sure everyone fantasizes about Hangman, and why it never made any of Queen's early studio albums. It doesn't mean I can physically changed what is already set in stone. They released what songs they felt were finished and well suited for an official release. This thread was for my own personal pleasure. I love reading other peoples thoughts and ideas. On that note, i could also be seen as a sadist. Cause if this thread is causing anyone pain or excruciating suffering, i'm quite content with everything. In fact i'm relishing in it all :] Queen are genuises, bottom line, and i agree with whatever decisions they made. |
| skip 03.07.2010 01:11 |
Brian and Roger should have destroyed the tapes after recording "Hot Space". |
| Dave2843 04.07.2010 10:18 |
I have a playlist on my mp3 player for my version of Queen II, Loser in the end is replaced with Dear friends and Funny how love is is replaced with Lily of the valley. Would be nice to have a segue in to Lily of the valley from MOTBQ though. These changes as you all know will make it MAY side white and still keeps MERCURY side black. The reference to Seven seas and Rhye in Lily of the valley is a nice link to the last track. Maybe this track was meant for Queen II but they could not fit it in ! cheers Dave |
| Kacoblin 04.07.2010 16:32 |
That's a truly interesting observation Dave. Both Lilly of the valley, and seven seas of rye refer to Freddies make believe world "Rye." The only problem is Flick of the wrist segues into Lilly. And i personally love Freddies little homage to the Beach Boys Wall of sound. I'm just content with the way both Sheer heart attack and Queen II were made. |