John S Stuart 05.06.2010 11:13 |
Whatever happened to Wilki Amieva? The PM section is not working, and I cannot contact him. Does he have an email or Facebook account I can contact? |
GratefulFan 05.06.2010 11:44 |
The PM system does seem work, but you have to access it by going to your inbox etc. directly via the envelope near the top of the screen. Click 'Send' and manually enter the name of the recipient and then compose and post as normal. |
Wilki Amieva 05.06.2010 14:21 |
I am alive and kicking, my friend. Just contact me at wilkiamieva@fibertel.com.ar Best regards. |
Penetration_Guru 06.06.2010 08:19 |
I love a happy ending |
GratefulFan 06.06.2010 11:27 |
^ LOL |
Wiley 07.06.2010 10:39 |
I was expecing an M. Night Shyamalan twist ending in which we find out Wilki has been dead for 10 years and has haunted Internet Queen forums ever since :). |
Wilki Amieva 18.01.2014 10:21 |
I'd rather do a David Lynch ending... |
Sheer Brass Neck 18.01.2014 10:32 |
Whatever happened to GratefulFan? She took a shit kicking a number of months back about the David Fuller stuff but she had great thoughtful posts. Same with Microwave, haven't seen him around in a while, always got a kick out of his posts. |
Thistle 18.01.2014 13:16 |
I was asking the same thing just a short while back, SBN: I'd like to see these people back. GF, as you say, always had some great posts and banter, and didn't really deserve the shit she took for the Fuller thing. It wasn't just her that slated the guy, so a lot of the stick was unfair. Microwave was an antagonising git at times, but his humour was priceless. Holly, too :) |
Wiley 19.01.2014 16:00 |
Wiley wrote: I was expecing an M. Night Shyamalan twist ending in which we find out Wilki has been dead for 10 years and has haunted Internet Queen forums ever since :).Oh my, I laughed at this post more than I should have, thinking "this guy is funny... he GETS me"... only to notice two seconds later I was laughing at my former self from 4 years ago, hahaha :D. |
Thistle 19.01.2014 18:52 |
^ bumping up your own funnies? tut tut ;) |
inu-liger 20.01.2014 04:41 |
Walter White wrote: GF, as you say, always had some great posts and banter, and didn't really deserve the shit she took for the Fuller thing. It wasn't just her that slated the guy, so a lot of the stick was unfair.It wasn't about her slating him, pretty sure it was the other way around - she actually stood up for him. She got very abusive towards people like myself in the Fuller debacle, and also got involved in a little ring of three people specifically to attack me and my position in the matter, even ignorantly making fun of my Asperger's, and got a lot of shit from Barb in the end as a result. I don't think she ever got over it as evidenced by her non presence on the board since then. Kind of a shame too, she USED to be a nice character, even sent me some very nice items when she did the Queen giveaway (including the Mercury And Me book), but man did she ever get vicious since then! |
thomasquinn 32989 20.01.2014 09:49 |
Wilki Amieva wrote: I'd rather do a David Lynch ending...Am I to conclude that you did 3 1/2 years of research on directors to come up with that? If so, wow. |
Thistle 20.01.2014 12:11 |
Hey Richard, I recall the whole thing now. It's a shame about all of that really, as she is a very kind and thoughtful person. I hope that you two can make it up somehow :) |
inu-liger 20.01.2014 14:10 |
Things can only improve once she issues the apology that was demanded of her which I don't think was ever issued, unless I'm mistaken otherwise |
Wiley 20.01.2014 17:31 |
Walter White wrote: ^ bumping up your own funnies? tut tut ;)Hahaha :) ... I couldn't resist. Sorry. Actually, it was Wilki who bumped up this topic with his reply to my comment. I felt the need to reply, after all these years. |
Sheer Brass Neck 20.01.2014 18:02 |
inu-liger wrote: Things can only improve once she issues the apology that was DEMANDED of her which I don't think was ever issued, unless I'm mistaken otherwiseMaybe that's part of the problem? |
GratefulFan 09.02.2014 15:24 |
Goodness. My last post here was my last post here because the evening that I made it was the evening that I discovered the "moderator" (choke) trolling the site of my workplace (in the middle of a QZ conversation about what I did for a living) via a google search using my real name. Since I had never given the "moderator" my real name it was a bit on the wtf side. I asked, it was denied, I found that cowardly and offensive, and I left. I have been on the wrong side of web wars spilling over into my real life in the past by mobby anonymity and was unwilling to risk that again when the bias of the "moderator" was so clear and so ridiculous. Barely here but willing to lap up the COMPLETELY FUCKING ABSURD notion that I was abusive to anybody over Asperger's or anything of the like. And the only apology that went on I believe was from Richard who had to apologize for mischaracterizing something about my comments that night. So that is why I stopped posting. No other reason. Hope those of you who aren't idiots are well and happy. |
Saint Jiub 09.02.2014 23:03 |
GratefulFan wrote: Goodness. My last post here was my last post here because the evening that I made it was the evening that I discovered the "moderator" (choke) trolling the site of my workplace (in the middle of a QZ conversation about what I did for a living) via a google search using my real name. Since I had never given the "moderator" my real name it was a bit on the wtf side. I asked, it was denied, I found that cowardly and offensive, and I left. I have been on the wrong side of web wars spilling over into my real life in the past by mobby anonymity and was unwilling to risk that again when the bias of the "moderator" was so clear and so ridiculous. Barely here but willing to lap up the COMPLETELY FUCKING ABSURD notion that I was abusive to anybody over Asperger's or anything of the like. And the only apology that went on I believe was from Richard who had to apologize for mischaracterizing something about my comments that night. So that is why I stopped posting. No other reason. Hope those of you who aren't idiots are well and happy.I am fine. Thanks Grateful Fan |
Saint Jiub 09.02.2014 23:28 |
QZ Moderator trolling ... Is that a bad quality for a moderator to have? No wonder "Ale Solan" has not been banned for posting 3000+ spam posts a few days ago in the "Announce" section. |
inu-liger 10.02.2014 00:44 |
"And the only apology that went on I believe was from Richard who had to apologize for mischaracterizing something about my comments that night." Which still proves that you have yet to issue a formal apology as was demanded by myself and YV over the way you treated me and using my Asperger's as a prop in your twisted posts. Fairly sure what I apologized for was misremembering what your job profession actually was. If anything, it's possible I might have had you confused with another user with regards to that, and when that shit was still fresh on the fan at the time I was under an extreme amount of stress due to various situations both IRL and online (the latter mainly to do with this website) which did not help. |
GratefulFan 10.02.2014 20:49 |
Panchgani wrote:LOL. Good to hear. :)GratefulFan wrote: Goodness. My last post here was my last post here because the evening that I made it was the evening that I discovered the "moderator" (choke) trolling the site of my workplace (in the middle of a QZ conversation about what I did for a living) via a google search using my real name. Since I had never given the "moderator" my real name it was a bit on the wtf side. I asked, it was denied, I found that cowardly and offensive, and I left. I have been on the wrong side of web wars spilling over into my real life in the past by mobby anonymity and was unwilling to risk that again when the bias of the "moderator" was so clear and so ridiculous. Barely here but willing to lap up the COMPLETELY FUCKING ABSURD notion that I was abusive to anybody over Asperger's or anything of the like. And the only apology that went on I believe was from Richard who had to apologize for mischaracterizing something about my comments that night. So that is why I stopped posting. No other reason. Hope those of you who aren't idiots are well and happy.I am fine. Thanks Grateful Fan |
GratefulFan 10.02.2014 20:53 |
inu-liger wrote: "And the only apology that went on I believe was from Richard who had to apologize for mischaracterizing something about my comments that night." Which still proves that you have yet to issue a formal apology as was demanded by myself and YV over the way you treated me and using my Asperger's as a prop in your twisted posts. Fairly sure what I apologized for was misremembering what your job profession actually was. If anything, it's possible I might have had you confused with another user with regards to that, and when that shit was still fresh on the fan at the time I was under an extreme amount of stress due to various situations both IRL and online (the latter mainly to do with this website) which did not help.Delusional? Knowingingly lying through your teeth? Victim complex? Don't care. You and your idiot friends, including snoopy the "moderator", are not my problem anymore. |
inu-liger 10.02.2014 21:47 |
Nice to see you still won't own up to your anti-Asperger's posts. Ignorant fuck. Seriously, continue as you were and go piss off elsewhere again. If we're "not [your] problem anymore," then keep it that way! Don't be that troll. |
thomasquinn 32989 11.02.2014 09:57 |
Wait, who is GF seriously trying to accuse of internet stalking? Is that paranoid persecution-fantasy of GF's getting this extreme? |
brENsKi 11.02.2014 10:09 |
Panchgani wrote:QZ Moderator trolling ... Is that a bad quality for a moderator to have? No wonder "Ale Solan" has not been banned for posting 3000+ spam posts a few days ago in the "Announce" section. Panchgani wrote:I'll conveniently assume you will provide an explanation of why Ale Solan should be the only QZer to spam 3000+ messages in one night and not been banned. LOL I was going write him/her but forgot. I never saw proof that Tiger is female. Panchgani wrote:and it's looking like you're trying to spam the boards with the self same repetitive theme, over and over..."pot" and fucking "kettle" spring to mindinu-liger wrote:Please ban him...I'll conveniently assume you will provide an explanation of why Ale Solan should be the only QZer to spam 3000+ messages in one night and not been banned. LOL |
GratefulFan 11.02.2014 11:35 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Wait, who is GF seriously trying to accuse of internet stalking? Is that paranoid persecution-fantasy of GF's getting this extreme?I'm not accusing anybody of internet stalking. I pointed out that website access logs that included search details indicated to my satisfaction that the "moderator", who shouldn't have had my name, had it. Due to past experience with an unrelated situation, that made me uncomfortable. Given the opportunity to explain the situation the "moderator" declined. I left. Pretty simple stuff. Could have been a misuse of my login email, IP, or could have been backchat, etc. I don't know. At this point, I don't care. Simply clearing up the misperception that I left over Fuller stuff, or over Richard's phony victim wallowing. I left over what I perceived as a privacy violation by the world's shittiest "moderator". Since there have been a couple of 'where did GF go?' type posts over the months, thought I'd clear it up for those that wondered. |
inu-liger 11.02.2014 19:48 |
GratefulFan wrote: Goodness. My last post here was my last post here because the evening that I made it was the evening that I discovered the "moderator" (choke) trolling the site of my workplace (in the middle of a QZ conversation about what I did for a living) via a google search using my real name. Since I had never given the "moderator" my real name it was a bit on the wtf side. I asked, it was denied, I found that cowardly and offensive, and I left.So who is this "moderator" that supposedly trolled for your IRL workplace information then? Given that it's only Richard Orchard and YourValentine who have ANY administrative access on this website unless there's a secret 3rd person that we're unaware of otherwise, that's potentially serious grounds for libel if you can't come clean with direct proof, as well as inviting the "troll" label upon yourself among other things that can add to the backfire on your character, because what you just wrote can still be taken to be indirectly implied as stalking, or to a lesser degree harassment. So now would be a good time to come clean and clarify yourself, so put up or shut up. I have been on the wrong side of web wars spilling over into my real life in the past by mobby anonymity and was unwilling to risk that again when the bias of the "moderator" was so clear and so ridiculous. Barely here but willing to lap up the COMPLETELY FUCKING ABSURD notion that I was abusive to anybody over Asperger's or anything of the like.Maybe if you actually took the TIME to go back and re-read your character attack posts from a 3rd person perspective, just MAYBE you'd get out of your narrow little tunnel of self-important perception for once to understand why the backlash occurred in response to your ignorant comments in the first place! No matter how you twist it, your posts using my condition as a prop and using overexaggerated fictional TV characters as a comparison device to make fun of me were in no way excusable nor justifiable. You by all impressions are at a much older age than myself where you SHOULD know better, but instead you chose to stoop much lower than low. And that you show no regret towards those inexcusable actions...You should be ashamed of yourself. Seriously, act your age, lady! Don't be that troll. |
GratefulFan 12.02.2014 07:51 |
Jesus, what an asylum. On what planet is it "libel" to say you googled me and I didn't like it? The world's shittiest "moderator" is welcome to pop on and deny it, at which point I'd be happy to post the snaps of the various logs and lookups that include date, time (2 o'clock in the morning in moderator land in the middle of a QZ rant at me that included discussion of where I worked) , country specific google access (hint: it wasn't google.ca!), the direct hit on my employment contact information, the search term group and the IP and city it traced back to. Searched for that city name on QZ and guess who lives there? That's right! The "moderator". The last time anybody googled me and and hit my contact information was the year before. I'm nobody. And it's always family or friends. I know one person from the country of origin of this hit, and I know that person from QZ. The city happened to be coincident to where this person lives according to their own posts. And they were up at two o'clock in the morning local time, ranting at me. So, to be completely fair, sure, it could have been some other person up at two o'clock in the morning, in the same unremarkable European city, googling some Canadian they don't know by name and poking around their employment information. But, you know, I find that unlikely. |
GratefulFan 12.02.2014 08:38 |
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GratefulFan 12.02.2014 08:39 |
Reflecting on the post I made on my way to work, I was thinking about the assumptions it required. And there are assumptions there. But you know, it's a better case than was ever made against Fuller for The Reaction stuff. And it's a hell of a better case that the one for me hassling Richard about his Asperger's struggles, which was pulled straight out of his ass and rubber stamped by the wild bias of the world's shittiest moderator. So if one is a bad case, they are all bad cases. |
thomasquinn 32989 12.02.2014 09:15 |
How do you know said moderator was looking into your personal information? |
inu-liger 12.02.2014 11:44 |
GratefulFan wrote: And it's a hell of a better case that the one for me hassling Richard about his Asperger's struggles, which was pulled straight out of his ass and rubber stamped by the wild bias of the world's shittiest moderator.So let me get this straight, are you fucking saying that I am completely making up the fact that I have Asperger's, never mind dismissing my very real life struggles associated with it? If that's the case, you are certainly in the running for QZ's asshole of the year. I am NOT lying about my Asperger's one bit. There have been a few QZ'ers that have met me IRL or who've talked to me over Skype/Mumble long enough that they can most certainly vouch that I am NOT making this shit up. |
inu-liger 12.02.2014 11:57 |
And btw you want world's shittiest moderator, try Archaic from Bulbagarden. That prick allows a lot of unethical behavior such as content plagiarizing (despite repeated requests from our lot as well as our affiliates to put a full stop to that), facts getting replaced with outright nonsense if not lies, harassment of staff who speak out against bad practices, and has been caught lying on an Australian ABC TV station interview about his website's rankings and stats. Shall I go on? |
GratefulFan 12.02.2014 12:05 |
inu-liger wrote:No. Of course not, and I'm sorry if my wording might have suggested that. I'm referring to the completely FALSE implication that I would ever in ten million years hurt or belittle someone over any physical, emotional or psychological affliction or condition. That's what's pulled out of your ass, and fashioned into a suppressive pity drum you've been beating ever since.GratefulFan wrote: And it's a hell of a better case that the one for me hassling Richard about his Asperger's struggles, which was pulled straight out of his ass and rubber stamped by the wild bias of the world's shittiest moderator.So let me get this straight, are you fucking saying that I am completely making up the fact that I have Asperger's, never mind dismissing my very real life struggles associated with it? If that's the case, you are certainly in the running for QZ's asshole of the year. I am NOT lying about my Asperger's one bit. There have been a few QZ'ers that have met me IRL or who've talked to me over Skype/Mumble long enough that they can most certainly vouch that I am NOT making this shit up. |
GratefulFan 12.02.2014 12:12 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: How do you know said moderator was looking into your personal information?What? I don't know what was being sought. I just know where the search landed. Which on my workplace website, directly on my contact information, title etc. It's the first hit after Facebook stuff when you google me by name. Not hard to get there. Again, allegedly. It's a big old world and anything is possible. But given the facts it's a reasonable assumption. Reasonable enough in my mind for me to have decided to leave. |
inu-liger 12.02.2014 14:12 |
GratefulFan wrote:Apology accepted there, however the long outstanding issue at heart for which you've been accused of psychological abuse was the use of "Alberta Urkel" at LEAST twice, which Barb did witness and she was upset to see you using that. No matter how you try and spin it, using that term with the intent to insult was NOT excusable, because you KNEW I had Asperger's which I've been fairly open about for YEARS here. And comparing me to a fictional TV character with highly exaggerated mental issues was going to bring about the appropriate response, because it was implying parallels between me and that Urkel character (who for the record I do NOT in any way act like in real life!).inu-liger wrote:No. Of course not, and I'm sorry if my wording might have suggested that. I'm referring to the completely FALSE implication that I would ever in ten million years hurt or belittle someone over any physical, emotional or psychological affliction or condition. That's what's pulled out of your ass, and fashioned into a suppressive pity drum you've been beating ever since.GratefulFan wrote: And it's a hell of a better case that the one for me hassling Richard about his Asperger's struggles, which was pulled straight out of his ass and rubber stamped by the wild bias of the world's shittiest moderator.So let me get this straight, are you fucking saying that I am completely making up the fact that I have Asperger's, never mind dismissing my very real life struggles associated with it? If that's the case, you are certainly in the running for QZ's asshole of the year. I am NOT lying about my Asperger's one bit. There have been a few QZ'ers that have met me IRL or who've talked to me over Skype/Mumble long enough that they can most certainly vouch that I am NOT making this shit up. THIS is the issue that we will keep harping about until you issue that long overdue apology and retract that unforgivable insult. You will not live this down until that happens, GUARANTEED. I'll make you an open offer: Apologize now, and I'll agree in turn to not only stop harping you accordingly, but to also mutually agree not to discuss each other's involvement in the Fuller debacle that started all this bullshit. Does that sound fair? |
Saint Jiub 12.02.2014 20:43 |
When I hear the name Urkel, I think of a pushy, nosy arrogant, annoying, and irksome nerd ... definitely not Asperger's. You're so vain, I bet you think this is about Aspergers. Don't You? Don't You? Don't You? LOL |
Sheer Brass Neck 12.02.2014 21:57 |
Welcome back Grateful Fan, ignore the imbeciles :) |
inu-liger 12.02.2014 22:59 |
Panchgani wrote: When I hear the name Urkel, I think of a pushy, nosy arrogant, annoying, and irksome nerd ... definitely not Asperger's. You're so vain, I bet you think this is about Aspergers. Don't You? Don't You? Don't You? LOLAre you crushing hard on me or something, because your undying devotion to giving me all your, erm, special attention is quite something, but I don't swing your way ;-) |
thomasquinn 32989 13.02.2014 01:07 |
GratefulFan wrote:I really do not understand. How do you know that someone ran a search for you? And if someone landed on your "workplace website, directly on [your] contact information", how can you possibly conclude that this was done by anyone from QZ, let alone the moderator? I mean, if it's your workplace website, I take it that you do get visits from people who are interested in that website for professional reasons, right?thomasquinn 32989 wrote: How do you know said moderator was looking into your personal information?What? I don't know what was being sought. I just know where the search landed. Which on my workplace website, directly on my contact information, title etc. It's the first hit after Facebook stuff when you google me by name. Not hard to get there. Again, allegedly. It's a big old world and anything is possible. But given the facts it's a reasonable assumption. Reasonable enough in my mind for me to have decided to leave. |
thomasquinn 32989 13.02.2014 01:08 |
Panchgani wrote: When I hear the name Urkel, I think of a pushy, nosy arrogant, annoying, and irksome nerd ... definitely not Asperger's. You're so vain, I bet you think this is about Aspergers. Don't You? Don't You? Don't You? LOLIs there a bullying-vacancy you are trying to apply for? Did you get a restraining order from your local primary school's playground or something? |
inu-liger 13.02.2014 01:41 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Maybe it's possible, if it's anything like how YouTube stats list the traffic sources for instance, MAYBE her company's visitor IP logs also keeps track of how that traffic is sourced, although at the same time still logically seems a bit far fetched there.GratefulFan wrote:I really do not understand. How do you know that someone ran a search for you? And if someone landed on your "workplace website, directly on [your] contact information", how can you possibly conclude that this was done by anyone from QZ, let alone the moderator? I mean, if it's your workplace website, I take it that you do get visits from people who are interested in that website for professional reasons, right?thomasquinn 32989 wrote: How do you know said moderator was looking into your personal information?What? I don't know what was being sought. I just know where the search landed. Which on my workplace website, directly on my contact information, title etc. It's the first hit after Facebook stuff when you google me by name. Not hard to get there. Again, allegedly. It's a big old world and anything is possible. But given the facts it's a reasonable assumption. Reasonable enough in my mind for me to have decided to leave. Would you please care to enlighten us GF? |
inu-liger 13.02.2014 01:42 |
Only other possibility too that I can think of would be the use of cookies that notoriously track users' web surfing habits... |
GratefulFan 13.02.2014 14:02 |
The questions about the logs are interesting as the average surfer has little idea how closely their actions are tracked when they visit websites with analytics running. This is very standard stuff for medium and large sized businesses. From the moment you hit a website your activity is tracked. The analytics will know how you got to the website - did you directly type in the address? follow a link? perform a google search? If it was an unencrypted search, what did you search for? What page did you land on? Where did you go next, and how long did you spend at each place? What was your exit page? The intention is to maximize the effectiveness of your website and understand user behaviour, know how you are being found by users etc. etc. The logs in this case were very clear. A google search from link was performed. It hit directly on my contact information - there is no other information on that page other than my name and title, work address etc. Unencrypted google keywords for that page always consist of some combination of my name or name and city. There is no other way to turn it up in a google search. The person hit only that page with my personal information and didn't explore anything else on the website. It was 2:15 am local European time, about 8:15 pm here. I was engaged in a discussion on QZ about my place of work (and the fact that it wasn't anybody's business) at the time, and the party I have alluded to joined the discussion to berate me shortly after that. The IP associated with the search and hit tracked back to the city as I've described it. The only people I know in Europe other than distant family in the Netherlands I know from QZ. The last person who hit that webpage from a Google search had been September 2012. This happened the evening of May 23/24 2013, eight months later. Because I'm nobody I just don't get googled, so when I do, it's notable. What's your better theory about who is running a German google search on my name at 2:15 am in the morning, interested in only one page from the website, the one that contains my contact information and title and department, from the very city the moderator lives in? Nothing in life is sure. And there are of course other explanations. But it was enough for me to personally be convinced that somebody who has displayed an irrational bias towards me, who shouldn't have my name, or my personal information, had it. And declined to explain or acknowledge it when confronted. Bad combination for somebody who has had a terrible past experience with online animosity spilling over into my real life. In fact, with some irony, the only reason I even looked at logs that night was because I could feel the same furious irrationality gathering against me that had precipitated the previous experience many years ago on another website. My exact thought was "This feels wrong. Very off. Very irrational. Just like it did before. I better pop on the logs and make sure nobody has been digging around." And wow. That very night, somebody had been. It was actually very upsetting and emotional at the time because I felt I had to leave. And love me or hate me, I wrote a lot of stuff here. Thousands of posts. Some awfully long ones many of you will remember. LOL. It was my forum, the only one I participated in. I was leaving a lot and felt I didn't have a choice if I wanted basic privacy in my personal life. I missed it for a long time. |
GratefulFan 13.02.2014 14:13 |
And you know, I should add that I am a champion googler. I will google the crap out of anybody and everybody that interests me. Because the internet is there, and we all take our chances online. I'm a curious person. I understand curiosity. It's not really the googling, it's the discomfort of being googled by a person who has a deep dislike for you, shouldn't have your name, and declines to provide an explanation when asked. If I got caught googling somebody and was asked I'd be embarrassed, because we all pretend we don't do it, but I would have cared about that person's discomfort and admitted and explained it. If my suppositions are correct, that didn't happen for me. And that's why I don't participate here any more. I made some Facebook connections with people I missed, and that will have to do. |
GratefulFan 13.02.2014 14:17 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:It's not bullying. He's absolutely right. The word 'Urkel' was first used before anybody even knew it was Richard who had written QPL or whoever for godsake! That it had anything remotely to do with Asperger's is wholly an invention of Richard's. The Urkel character has nothing to do with Asperger's, and everything to do with the the distaste some felt at somebody writing to QPL to rat on Dave Fuller.Panchgani wrote: When I hear the name Urkel, I think of a pushy, nosy arrogant, annoying, and irksome nerd ... definitely not Asperger's. You're so vain, I bet you think this is about Aspergers. Don't You? Don't You? Don't You? LOLIs there a bullying-vacancy you are trying to apply for? Did you get a restraining order from your local primary school's playground or something? |
GratefulFan 13.02.2014 14:33 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Welcome back Grateful Fan, ignore the imbeciles :)Oh, and hi SBN! :) |
Saint Jiub 14.02.2014 10:20 |
GF gave an exact account of regarding "Snoopy the Moderator" back in November. Pathetic that no one cares. The addicts would not want to piss off Fanthology by commenting and have Fanthology keep their toys in their pram even longer. |
GratefulFan 14.02.2014 11:16 |
I appreciate that Panchgani. But it's really nothing I expected anybody to really care about. In one sense it is probably hard to understand from the outside what the big deal is when it's not you that is targeted. It really was just to clear up where I had gone, and that is was not Fuller stuff or anything one or more people had said to me on the boards. It was something that occurred behind the scenes that I perceived as an abuse that absent any information I had to make a decision about how to handle. My decision was to remove myself from what I felt had become for me a psychologically unsafe situation. And that was that. On one final clearing up note, earlier in the day before this happened I had written Dave Fuller an email. I explained that the situation regarding him was getting really destructive on QZ and that I knew I was asking a lot, but would he agree to tell me the truth about whether or not he was trading tracks that he had acquired exclusively from Fanthology with the understanding that I would post his answer on QZ. The upshot of the exchange was that the initial blow up - the Reaction stuff that he leaked - he had also previously had from some past trade, so he felt entitled to do that. That was his story at the time. However he acknowledged that later trades did come from things he had exclusively gotten from Fanthology on this logic: "Hi, I haven't read whatever people are bitching about on QZ regarding me, what I received from the fanthology is mine to leak/trade because I put stuff into the anthology as well, just like any regular trade. In fact I'd say I put in the most 'interesting' stuff into the fanthology, whereas most people involved barely uploaded anything. At the same time, fuck the hoaders :) You can put that on QZ if you want! And thanks for defending me." I told him that the claim had been that he had put in very little if anything, and his reply was this: "Oh yeah, I had Reaction stuff way before the Fanthology. You can put whatever I say to you on there :) I've put LOADS into the Fanthology- that kinda pisses me off that they'd lie like that, but whatever. Hoarders are usually scumbags with no morals. I DID make a video for Stuart, he wanted me to do a fan mix video for the Macbeth stuff so I obliged, even though it was a bit of a waste of time considering my focus of official stuff to the fanthology. " So there you have it. If you have a moral objection to trading in tracks that key collectors felt were stolen from them you now have Dave's acknowledgement of their source and can make a decision. |
Donna13 14.02.2014 12:17 |
So, he just plays by his own rules, basically. Thank you for your posts, GF. |
Thistle 14.02.2014 12:30 |
Judging by the lists he has put up for sale, he has nothing interesting. I'm sure I posted his sale lit here before: it's full of fakes, remixes and the odd demo we've already got, or can easily get. I doubt he put anything fantastic in. |
inu-liger 14.02.2014 14:35 |
"Oh yeah, I had Reaction stuff way before the Fanthology. You can put whatever I say to you on there :) I've put LOADS into the Fanthology- that kinda pisses me off that they'd lie like that, but whatever. Hoarders are usually scumbags with no morals. I DID make a video for Stuart, he wanted me to do a fan mix video for the Macbeth stuff so I obliged, even though it was a bit of a waste of time considering my focus of official stuff to the fanthology."Unsurprisingly, I call bullshit. Unless he can actually PROVE having possession of copies of the Reaction material (digital or not) prior to joining Fanthology, he's full of shit as always and just making up convenient stories to cover his sorry ass. As Walter pointed out, his sales list alone speaks for his lack of integrity. The fact he knowingly and willingly sells fake material alone demolishes his credibility significantly. |
John S Stuart 14.02.2014 15:56 |
I will NOT get involved other than this. David is a liar. He uploaded nothing decent to the Fanthology. The stuff he downloaded was all stolen. GF: You state you know the value of logs and wrote: "The questions about the logs are interesting as the average surfer has little idea how closely their actions are tracked when they visit websites with analytics running. This is very standard stuff for medium and large sized businesses. From the moment you hit a website your activity is tracked. The analytics will know how you got to the website - did you directly type in the address? follow a link? perform a google search? If it was an unencrypted search, what did you search for? What page did you land on? Where did you go next, and how long did you spend at each place? What was your exit page? The intention is to maximize the effectiveness of your website and understand user behaviour, know how you are being found by users etc. etc. The logs in this case were very clear" Out of respect for David Fuller (and Fanthology privacy) his logs have never been published. But they CAN be. David Knows I/we sit on this info. I made no secret of this... But you always wanted these to be published because you saw these as fantasy. My point is what is good for the goose is good for the gander; and if you know that these logs are available, You knew (we all knew) David did not have any of the Reaction or other tracks pre-Fantholgy. That is all in the past now; and I do not wish to resurrect that issue as it has been dead and buried and serves no useful purpose, but David's view of history and the actual facts of the history are two very different things. |
GratefulFan 14.02.2014 16:00 |
John, The logs relating to Fuller's uploads were discussed by you on the original thread and posted at the time by YV. The upload count said '0'. So that would not be new information. Perhaps in this case 'decent' is simply in the eye of the beholder, with him perceiving value in material you did not. |
GratefulFan 14.02.2014 16:15 |
Donna13 wrote: So, he just plays by his own rules, basically. Thank you for your posts, GF.Yes, I think that has always been a given. But sometimes that needs to happen when you're challenging a system. I've never seen anybody in this debacle as a pure white hat or a pure black hat. And nice to see you :) |
John S Stuart 14.02.2014 17:55 |
GF "However he acknowledged that later trades did come from things he had exclusively gotten from Fanthology..." This is the point that always got me. For years he has denied this. Now he admits it. But that is bye the bye, The fact is he uploaded nothing new or rare to the Fanthology, and I think even a cursory detective can view his posts and you tube links by their date, so that part of his argument is also very easy researched and destroyed by anyone who is interested in doing so. (My point being do not take my word for it). David also says: "At the same time, fuck the hoaders :) You can put that on QZ if you want!" So by your logic, it was fine for David to leak Fanthology material (and even sell it off to unsuspecting fans when he received it for free) but to still hoard his own? What is it they say about being generous with other people's money? (Also demonstrating further what an arsehole he was). For the record; I had no problem with you. You used to be a fairly consistent contributor - until you took upon yourself the role to defend the indefensible. Now you know how easy it is to monitor a closed PC group, and how easy it is to see who uploaded what and when (and download likewise) and even "Watermark" (I know I will get stick for that because it is not a PC term - but focus on what I mean - rather on the pedantism of how I said it); you seem to expect the rest us to accept what you say on your word. That is fine. But you would not accept my word (or the word of others) you either said (or to be fairer strongly implied) that (paraphrased) "my version was completely made-up and that unless the written logs were submitted for immediate inspection - you would not believe me. You knew that I would not in good conscience upload those records for all to see. So how does it feel that the boot is on the other foot? What if I was to call you a liar; and say I want your logs uploaded for inspection? My point is you did far more damage than good by making out that one side was as bad as another; when in fact there was real damage done to real people. The greatest "victims" in all this was the good people of QZ Mr. Fuller may have smuggled a few tracks out ala Robin Hood type fashion; but now nothing has been shared for over two years - people now have the chance to reflect on the damage he did. PS: Before anyone jumps on that old hoarder bandwagon - why not redirect your ire and requests at Mr. Fuller? After all if he was so generous and free with all the Fanthology stuff - why has he not been so with his own? It's a bit ironic saying "At the same time, fuck the hoaders :)" - after the horse has bolted is it not? |
John S Stuart 14.02.2014 18:05 |
GF: I also recall you enjoyed having frequent pops at me about deleting my angrier ranting posts - after the event - when I had time to reflect on and regret my childish foolishness. Now I see that you have done the same above: "Posted: 12 Feb 14, 08:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote". Funny how you seem to mirror everything I was saying/doing two years ago; except now you find it totally logic and acceptable. How times change (for the better). |
Saint Jiub 14.02.2014 18:24 |
John S Stuart wrote: GF: I also recall you enjoyed having frequent pops at me about deleting my angrier ranting posts - after the event - when I had time to reflect on and regret my childish foolishness. Now I see that you have done the same above: "Posted: 12 Feb 14, 08:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote". Funny how you seem to mirror everything I was saying/doing two years ago; except now you find it totally logic and acceptable. How times change (for the better).She reflected on an earlier post and added her thoughts in a later post. She did not delete nor modify her post. |
John S Stuart 14.02.2014 18:34 |
Panchgani wrote:Page 2 of this threadJohn S Stuart wrote: GF: I also recall you enjoyed having frequent pops at me about deleting my angrier ranting posts - after the event - when I had time to reflect on and regret my childish foolishness. Now I see that you have done the same above: "Posted: 12 Feb 14, 08:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote". Funny how you seem to mirror everything I was saying/doing two years ago; except now you find it totally logic and acceptable. How times change (for the better).She reflected on an earlier post and added her thoughts in a later post. She did not delete nor modify her post. Post 10 of page 2 (Middle post of GF's 3) SHOWS otherwise. This post HAS indeed been deleted! so you CANNOT say "She did not delete nor modify her post" - because she did delete! A blind man in a dark room can see that! I am just calling this because when/if I deleted a post (and explained afterwards why - "I reflected on an earlier post and have added my thoughts in a later post") - she was the most unforgiving b*tch in the board. Now she has done exactly the same thing and it has come back to haunt her; I find it all very ironic, hypocritical and most of all amusing. Now; I can't be incorrect here (yet) as the evidence is still there for all to see. (Unless it is modified later). As I said; how times change for the better. |
inu-liger 14.02.2014 18:52 |
It's ultimately regrettable how negatively GF turned for the worse as a person here, honesty. To THINK, the year before she went berserk defending Fuller, she used to be so nice and even once allowed us to participate in a Queen goodies giveaway from her own collection. Geez. What a world! |
John S Stuart 14.02.2014 18:59 |
Wonder how she is now? How are you GF? Back to topic - whatever happened to Wilki? |
Saint Jiub 14.02.2014 19:37 |
John S Stuart wrote:GF had two posts one minute apart. Sounds to me like a double post.Panchgani wrote:Page 2 of this thread Post 10 of page 2 (Middle post of GF's 3) SHOWS otherwise. This post HAS indeed been deleted! so you CANNOT say "She did not delete nor modify her post" - because she did delete! A blind man in a dark room can see that! I am just calling this because when/if I deleted a post (and explained afterwards why - "I reflected on an earlier post and have added my thoughts in a later post") - she was the most unforgiving b*tch in the board. Now she has done exactly the same thing and it has come back to haunt her; I find it all very ironic, hypocritical and most of all amusing. Now; I can't be incorrect here (yet) as the evidence is still there for all to see. (Unless it is modified later). As I said; how times change for the better.John S Stuart wrote: GF: I also recall you enjoyed having frequent pops at me about deleting my angrier ranting posts - after the event - when I had time to reflect on and regret my childish foolishness. Now I see that you have done the same above: "Posted: 12 Feb 14, 08:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote". Funny how you seem to mirror everything I was saying/doing two years ago; except now you find it totally logic and acceptable. How times change (for the better).She reflected on an earlier post and added her thoughts in a later post. She did not delete nor modify her post. |
Saint Jiub 14.02.2014 19:41 |
inu-liger wrote: It's ultimately regrettable how negatively GF turned for the worse as a person here, honesty. To THINK, the year before she went berserk defending Fuller, she used to be so nice and even once allowed us to participate in a Queen goodies giveaway from her own collection. Geez. What a world!... an excellent observation by Peter Pettigrew aka Scabbers |
Thistle 14.02.2014 20:24 |
^^^ Don't you think you should give it a rest with the petty name-calling, Panchgani? Even if you don't agree with Inu, there's no need for that: all you're doing is belittling your own character. We all know what side of the fence you sit on, which, respectfully, is your own prerogative - you don't have to reinforce your stance with comments like that. I know there's upset on both sides, and both are equally trying to put their side of the story across. For what it's worth, I class both Inu and GF as friends, both here and elsewhere, and would love this to stop. I can see why both are upset, and I can see why both want the other to back down - however, maybe we should lay off this topic altogether as it's spilling over throughout the whole forum. It'd be nice to see everyone getting on, but if it's not going to happen then we're better off saying nothing on it at all. |
Saint Jiub 14.02.2014 21:53 |
Walter White wrote: ^^^ Don't you think you should give it a rest with the petty name-calling, Panchgani? Even if you don't agree with Inu, there's no need for that: all you're doing is belittling your own character. We all know what side of the fence you sit on, which, respectfully, is your own prerogative - you don't have to reinforce your stance with comments like that. I know there's upset on both sides, and both are equally trying to put their side of the story across. For what it's worth, I class both Inu and GF as friends, both here and elsewhere, and would love this to stop. I can see why both are upset, and I can see why both want the other to back down - however, maybe we should lay off this topic altogether as it's spilling over throughout the whole forum. It'd be nice to see everyone getting on, but if it's not going to happen then we're better off saying nothing on it at all.You do not seem to care about insults Inu leveled at GF. I won't stand by while Inu insults GF, while Inu plays victim. If he can dish out the abuse, he can sure as well take it. |
inu-liger 15.02.2014 00:11 |
You know...my offer to GF still stands. I'm willing to keep it simple and put this bullshit entirely behind us if she would just stop being a difficult person and regain some Canadianly common sense to just simply apologize for the derogatory, insensitive use of the "Alberta Urkel" namecalling, regardless if the word "Urkel" alone was uttered even once or not before I revealed myself as the source of the complaint filed against Fuller. It still fucking hurt my feelings and is not something I made up as a convenient attack prop, I am 100% for real on this. It really ONLY takes a couple of minutes to write a sincere apology and retract those insults. I'm not asking for a fucking 5-page long apology or an impossible miracle! Be reasonable GratefulFan and do the right thing. I will hold up my end and stop the counter attacks as well as apologize for any nasty insults I hurled your way in turn during the duration of the Fuller debacle, along with the aforementioned offer to not discuss each other's roles in the debacle in our future postings. This is my final offer. I am NOT a wholly unreasonable person and I hope you can recognize that. Regardless whether "Urkel" was uttered previously or not, I think we can agree that we could benefit from not stressing each other out any more by ending this constant war of words , yes? It's gotten beyond stupid and silly, and I think it's time we put an end to this. |
John S Stuart 15.02.2014 03:49 |
I agree with Walter. There are two types of bullying. Actual deliberate bullying and perceived bullying. Perceived bullying is where it exists from perhaps a misunderstanding - but the victim still feels bullied - and it is still real - to him! For example; I could make a blanket statement in that I disagree with all forms of genital mutilation in children. That does not make me anti-Semitic - just anti-barbarianism (in my opinion). If a Jewish reader felt offended at that, or thought I was having a pop at their religious beliefs (which I am not); they still have the right to say that they feel upset/sensitive or bullied by this remark - even though my intention was further from the truth - because the fact is - they DO! In such a case a simple clarification: "I am really sorry if you feel offended or upset by what I said; but in truth it was not meant to hurt anyone. I still believe what in what I said; but I honestly did not mean to upset anyone by it". My point is - actual or perceived - Richard feels intimidated and threatened. To him that is real. A few lines to say "sorry but crossed wires" will not kill anyone. But your bullying Panchgani IS deliberate and meant to offend; and that is simply unacceptable in any society. As for deleting posts - If I posted a double post - my mistakes were not so lightly dismissed. I was told that I was to write "Double Post" rather than leave a blank space because some paranoid folks in here thought that the remaining blank space involved conjuring up the anti-Christ or something. I have seen a lot of double-standards in here lately. Pots calling kettles black and all that. But unlike many in here my withdrawl from QZ has been without fanfare and my contributions minimum; because when I shut down my PC, no one in here exists! |
Donna13 15.02.2014 07:47 |
I don't think we can give Dave the credit for wanting to "change the system". I don't think he operates based on higher principles. Ha. |
Lord Gaga 15.02.2014 09:14 |
Walter White wrote: ^^^ Don't you think you should give it a rest with the petty name-calling, Panchgani? Even if you don't agree with Inu, there's no need for that: all you're doing is belittling your own character. We all know what side of the fence you sit on, which, respectfully, is your own prerogative - you don't have to reinforce your stance with comments like that.He seems to follow Inu around on the board, gleefully calling him names whenever he gets the opportunity. It's just pathetic; all he does is bully Inu instead of contributing anything worthwhile to the board. |
Thistle 15.02.2014 09:17 |
Panchgani wrote: You do not seem to care about insults Inu leveled at GF. I won't stand by while Inu insults GF, while Inu plays victim. If he can dish out the abuse, he can sure as well take it.What a ridiculous and completely misinformed comment. I'm sure GF would tell you that herself. I said that I class BOTH as friends, here and elsewhere, and would love this to stop. I also said I can see why there's upset on BOTH sides. I really think this whole situation is unfortunate, but GF is a grown, intelligent woman who can fight her own battles if she needs to, without a sidekick who needs to hound Inu on what looks like every corner he turns. Why would you personally need to insult Inu for insulting GF anyway? If it came to it, it'd be down to those two. However, since you've taken on the role as her enforcer, at least think before you post, because you're way off the mark with the comment you've just directed at me. OR, we could all just drop it, like I suggested above. It's sad that Inu and GF may never reconcile, but that's life. |
John S Stuart 16.02.2014 07:06 |
link |
thomasquinn 32989 16.02.2014 07:54 |
Jesus H. Rollerskating Christ. Do you people even realize that you're shoulder-deep in Paranoia Lake right now? As if the whole "Fanthology"-crap wasn't bizarre and overblown enough (and apparently the source of endless conspiracy-theory-entertainment for panchgani), we are now getting into the even more outlandish territory of supposed cyber-espionage. Can any of you still think reasonably? Let me put it like this: even if all GF says is true (which I'm not saying it is, because there are still a number of unanswered questions - how can there be a targeted search on the basis of information you say yourself you didn't disclose at any time, for instance?), how serious is a targeted google search for publicly available information? It'd be a different story if your e-mails got redirected to the QZ-mod or something, but this is just a completely banal non-entity of a problem. What's wrong with QZ more than anything, except perhaps the spamming and trolling, is that people here do not seem to have any sense of perspective anymore. |
GratefulFan 16.02.2014 20:03 |
I don't know how the information was acquired. I learned the hard way several years ago that online, where there is a will, there is a way. In this instance I can point out that my QZ login/email address contains my last name, and my first name was known to a handful here at the time. My last name is a very rare name - only a handful of us in the world. I am the only person on the planet as far as I know with my combination of first and last name. Anyway, Thomas, since it happened to me I'm the one who gets to decide how it feels. When the context is a wild, wild, ignorant bias, and when it is further happening in an atmosphere where flat out vindictive campaigns are ignored by the moderators (the digging up and posting of Gerry's picture for example, among others), what it felt was intimidating. I couldn't continue here without feeling disquiet about what was going to happen next if people who had demonstrated unreasonable drooling dislike toward me were willing to push into my personal life uninvited. And then come and indirectly scream about it on the boards. Given my beliefs about the source of the search, the failure to acknowledge it adds another layer of ick. Anyway, you said several times you didn't like me anyway. You should just be glad I left. lol. |
inu-liger 16.02.2014 20:06 |
"Should I stay, or should I go?" |
GratefulFan 16.02.2014 20:44 |
People who attack Panchgani and others before him for consistently calling out posters like inu on their crap (when that's what they're serving up - not implying it's all crap) are missing the point when they cast it as small mindedness or tit for tat. What this 'fight' has always been about is the awful, supressive and repressive nature of the arguments against Fuller's choices and the characterization of some of those who argued for them. The any and all means to just get people to stop talking about it in any way other than the way that benefits the collectors. There are no limits to how they will redefine reality and there are a handful of people on here who would consistently stand up and say "NO". Panchgani was and is one, and I appreciate him for it. Speaking of redefining reality, that empty post of mine was a result of a QZ glitch. I used a quick reply, which didn't seem to work so I pasted into a full reply and ended up with two back to back posts, one empty. For that to be compared to the swiss cheese that was made out of the 'What Really Happened' thread by JSS, YV and at least one other poster is absurd. One was a technical issue and the other was a deliberate wiping of post after post after post - the wiping of words and motivations that can never be examined for fairness or consistency again. But that's the typical level of discourse I've come to expect. Sigh. A dozen other things I could address from this thread, but really, it is hard to imagine it would be productive. So there seems little point. |
GratefulFan 16.02.2014 20:49 |
inu-liger wrote: "Should I stay, or should I go?"Was that for me? LOL. I should go. There is the privacy issue, I am disillusioned with Brian May, I am disillusioned with QPL choices, I SERIOUSLY dislike Adam Lambert and beyond that all I do is attract fighting. So seems pretty clear. |
inu-liger 16.02.2014 22:48 |
Then fucking go already! If you're not going to apologize for the perceived bullying and harp on about an alleged violation of privacy by YourValentine, then go on! Move! There is no credible reason for you to stay if that's the case. Don't be that troll. |
thomasquinn 32989 17.02.2014 03:13 |
GF doesn't want to go, GF wants to be confirmed in her persecution fantasy. From her claims so far, I have seen nothing that remotely constitutes evidence of anything she claimed happened. Even if the vague story of a targeted search is true, it could've been done by anyone, it didn't invade her privacy in any way (if you make information publicly available, then you shouldn't complain that it's publicly available). Then comes the sob-story about how everyone except panchgani is against her, yes, we even "redefine reality" just to get at her. This brings back memories of how we are all bigots who enjoy nothing better than to persecute Catholics. Again: persecution fantasy. Inu says: don't be that troll. I'm going to stop feeding that troll. |
Donna13 17.02.2014 09:27 |
What is a troll? I think at times many of us have been troll-like in some respect: posting off topic comments, provoking others into personal arguments with insults and a lack of understanding for another's point of view, attempting to cause another person to question their sanity or decency with wild and irresponsible accusations, making jokes that interrupt a thread, naming a thread something that is misleading, repeating the same ideas over and over, posting in the wrong forum (for example, this thread should probably be in the personal forum), or continuing an argument in a separate thread from where the argument started, carrying personal grudges to the extent that it disrupts normal conversation and upsets other Queenzoners, etc, etc. Also, most of us have not achieved perfection in our personalities or character. So ... |
ParisNair 21.02.2014 00:59 |
Well I wish GF would stay and contribute to the forum the way she used to. |