| John S Stuart 04.06.2010 10:50 |
Elsewhere: link "Look at... Bruce Springsteen fans (they) initiated a series called 'the Uber series', where people could send in previously unshared (hoarded) material... (to) share it in the best possible quality. The guy was called TattooDad, and here is the first post that started it all: link ''So here's my offer to start things rolling: Anyone who wants to share but doesn't want it known that they're sharing can send things to me, either anonymously or by contacting me directly. ANYTHING I RECEIVE WILL BE FREELY SHARED AS QUICKLY AS I CAN DO IT.'' TattooDad. The list of ''ubers'' that got shared because of him is huge; Losts of soundboard material, EMI-recordings, and even 3 proshot dvds. link If someone with credability within the Queen community could try to take up a role like this, who knows what would come out of it. I think Pittrek has demonstrated both credability and that (better still) he can deliver. Hopefully, he has not dried up yet, but anything else I receieve I will pass to him. Any other contributions? |
| andreas_mercury 04.06.2010 10:52 |
hangmann |
| pittrek 04.06.2010 11:45 |
Thank you very much. I definitely won't say no if somebody wants to send me something :-) |
| Rick 04.06.2010 13:34 |
Great initiative. This goes to show that it is indeed possible. Great idea! We all know Peter is to be trusted, so my vote goes to him as well. Unfortunately, I haven't got anything special to share at the moment. The Leiden gig, which I shared a long time ago, was my only gem :( |
| A Word In Your Ear 04.06.2010 13:59 |
Hi John, Thanks again for your wonderful shares before & also to Peter for uploading them. I think your Idea is a great idea & also Peter is a great choice for holding the torch. But I'm not quite sure how many people on here have those ultra rare tracks hoarded away? & Greg B won't contribute, although he might send a photo of his Ass with the words "Property of Queen Productions" tatooed across it. lol!!!!! |
| kosimodo 04.06.2010 14:00 |
You have some credability yourself John! Nothing to share...., but looking forward to whats coming:) |
| e-man 04.06.2010 15:37 |
you know, there are supberb examples in the Springsteen bootleg world of how fans collaborating result in excellent products. last year the boss did the whole "the river" album in MSG. now; some fans gathered the best recordings and collected all available video recordings from the night and made a bootleg dvd which is nothing short of spectacular. it seriously surpasses some officials releases I have (albeit where the production isn't top notch). but nevertheless - the end result is truly outstanding. if something similair can happen in the Queen world - that would be amazing |
| Queenrockyou 04.06.2010 15:40 |
Ouch !! I haven't seen that thread !! Of course I vote Pittrek too !! Regards, Olivier, Belgium. |
| people on streets 04.06.2010 19:00 |
John S Stuart wrote: Elsewhere: link "Look at... Bruce Springsteen fans (they) initiated a series called 'the Uber series', where people could send in previously unshared (hoarded) material... (to) share it in the best possible quality. The guy was called TattooDad, and here is the first post that started it all: link ''So here's my offer to start things rolling: Anyone who wants to share but doesn't want it known that they're sharing can send things to me, either anonymously or by contacting me directly. ANYTHING I RECEIVE WILL BE FREELY SHARED AS QUICKLY AS I CAN DO IT.'' TattooDad. The list of ''ubers'' that got shared because of him is huge; Losts of soundboard material, EMI-recordings, and even 3 proshot dvds. link If someone with credability within the Queen community could try to take up a role like this, who knows what would come out of it. I think Pittrek has demonstrated both credability and that (better still) he can deliver. Hopefully, he has not dried up yet, but anything else I receieve I will pass to him. Any other contributions? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< BBC sessions fully lossless + hangman would be a nice start. |
| guild93 04.06.2010 19:18 |
Another way to we could do it (to get hoarders to contribute, including me!) is to start a list of items people are willing to share when the list reaches a certain number (e.g. 10). They can ether do it publicly or anonymously (via Pittrek). I'll start off: 1. Uncirculated audio of QPR Anaheim 2006, recordeed by me, lossless 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. Who wants to add to the list? As I said, noting should be released until the list is full, that will (hopefully) inspire others to contribute. I think this could work. |
| freddies bell end 04.06.2010 21:14 |
I vote for Sir GH. Waz up Bob? |
| people on streets 04.06.2010 21:21 |
guild93 wrote: Another way to we could do it (to get hoarders to contribute, including me!) is to start a list of items people are willing to share when the list reaches a certain number (e.g. 10). They can ether do it publicly or anonymously (via Pittrek). I'll start off: 1. Uncirculated audio of QPR Anaheim 2006, recordeed by me, lossless 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. Who wants to add to the list? As I said, noting should be released until the list is full, that will (hopefully) inspire others to contribute. I think this could work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< QUEEN only please. |
| on my way up 05.06.2010 02:16 |
Great idea! It's now up to the guys with the stuff:-) |
| Gregsynth 05.06.2010 02:45 |
Well, as soon as I get a reply back from that taper, I'm gonna share Vancouver 1980 (incomplete or not)! |
| Ginger01 05.06.2010 03:47 |
This is a fantastic idea. I vote Pittrek 120%!! :) |
| on my way up 05.06.2010 04:03 |
Gregsynth wrote: Well, as soon as I get a reply back from that taper, I'm gonna share Vancouver 1980 (incomplete or not)! Well, that's fantastic! Thanks:-) |
| pittrek 05.06.2010 05:25 |
Gregsynth wrote: Well, as soon as I get a reply back from that taper, I'm gonna share Vancouver 1980 (incomplete or not)!Lossless if possible, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese :-) |
| John S Stuart 05.06.2010 05:44 |
guild93 wrote: Another way to we could do it (to get hoarders to contribute, including me!) is to start a list of items people are willing to share when the list reaches a certain number (e.g. 10). They can ether do it publicly or anonymously (via Pittrek). I'll start off: 1. Uncirculated audio of QPR Anaheim 2006, recordeed by me, lossless 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. Who wants to add to the list? As I said, noting should be released until the list is full, that will (hopefully) inspire others to contribute. I think this could work. 2: TBA: BBC II - from Master Tape 3: TBA: De Lane Lea - From Master Tape |
| on my way up 05.06.2010 07:05 |
pittrek wrote: Gregsynth wrote: Well, as soon as I get a reply back from that taper, I'm gonna share Vancouver 1980 (incomplete or not)! Lossless if possible, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese :-) Yes indeed:-) That'd be best! |
| A Word In Your Ear 05.06.2010 07:26 |
Ok I'm game. 4. Queen + Paul Rodgers Manchester 5th November 2008 - Lossless - Recorded by me |
| pittrek 05.06.2010 07:44 |
Would anybody be interested in a DVD of this ? link Or better a "fuller" version of Tokyo 79 ? |
| The Real Wizard 05.06.2010 12:11 |
I think the majority of this should be uncirculated Queen. The spirit of this project should be in sharing old material that has been held back for years. Here's a list of things that I know are in the possession of people who post at this forum: Los Angeles 12-22-77 Rotterdam 78 - 8mm master Los Angeles 12-78 - one of the three nights Yamaguchi 79 - source 1 (complete) Monterrey 81 video Puebla 81 video Zurich 86 - complete Studio demos/takes - there are dozens The Rotterdam 78 video had been previously offered, so should this be #5 on the list? I can't speak for this person, so I'll wait for them. In that case, #6 through 10 could be easily filled with 5 of the above. So it remains now in the hands of a select few people - many of whom cheerfully downloaded the BBC sessions. Maybe it's time for these people to give something back.. ? |
| people on streets 05.06.2010 14:16 |
Rotterdam 78 is out of the question. I will never share it. |
| on my way up 05.06.2010 15:05 |
people on streets wrote: Rotterdam 78 is out of the question. I will never share it. I'm not surprised but, why not? You filmed QPR gig(s): would you be willing to share any of those? Let's try to keep this thread a positive one: who else is willing to share and has one of the gems Sir GH wrote about? Of course, just sending them to Peter for upload without making yourself known is also an option:-) |
| Rick 05.06.2010 16:15 |
Speaking of hoarded gems, what happened to the Hague 1974 recording which allegedly exists? Is it really there? Dennis (back then known as "Ducksoup")? |
| The Real Wizard 05.06.2010 17:16 |
people on streets wrote: "Rotterdam 78 is out of the question. I will never share it." Even if other great things from the 70s/80s are shared? What changed? |
| people on streets 05.06.2010 17:59 |
@ on my way up: Sharing QPR videos is an option. Sure, if more people are willing to offer their videos I might join. @ Bob : what changed? I decided i will be selling the master. @Rick: I don't have the hague 74, and I don't care about it anymore. Have lost contact with the supposed owner. I basically stopped collecting roios and voios. I only like to tape concerts I visit. Other than that, i don't care. Life's too short. I have other priorities these days. Hopefully you all respect that. Kind regards, D |
| Rick 05.06.2010 18:07 |
No problem, Dennis. I hope you made the right decision. Take care ;-) |
| marvinp01 05.06.2010 20:20 |
any of the Mexico gigs on video would be GREATLY appreciated! |
| TheSacrament_Videos 05.06.2010 23:21 |
guild93 wrote: Another way to we could do it (to get hoarders to contribute, including me!) is to start a list of items people are willing to share when the list reaches a certain number (e.g. 10). They can ether do it publicly or anonymously (via Pittrek). I'll start off: 1. Uncirculated audio of QPR Anaheim 2006, recordeed by me, lossless 2. Uncirculated videos (DVD) from the UK Tour 2005: Newcastle, Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield; US Tour 2006: Cleveland and UK Tour 2008: Nottingham, Liverpool, Sheffield 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. Who wants to add to the list? As I said, noting should be released until the list is full, that will (hopefully) inspire others to contribute. I think this could work. 2: TBA: BBC II - from Master Tape 3: TBA: De Lane Lea - From Master Tape |
| The Real Wizard 05.06.2010 23:58 |
Not that I'm running the show here, but can we try to limit the amount of QPR material for this project? We're trying to get long-time collectors to unearth historical documents here, not things that were recorded a few years ago, which just about anyone here could have taped. There are a hundred clips on youtube of QPR playing Crazy Little Thing Called Love, and none of Queen playing White Christmas in 1977. Or do people really want QPR stuff more than the old Queen? |
| TheSacrament_Videos 06.06.2010 00:26 |
Heya!!! No No No Of course I prefer the old Queen ... always! Only commented on those video too ... Henrique Seligman has the video of the soundcheck of Rock in Rio |
| on my way up 06.06.2010 03:06 |
Sir GH wrote: Not that I'm running the show here, but can we try to limit the amount of QPR material for this project? We're trying to get long-time collectors to unearth historical documents here, not things that were recorded a few years ago, which just about anyone here could have taped. There are a hundred clips on youtube of QPR playing Crazy Little Thing Called Love, and none of Queen playing White Christmas in 1977. Or do people really want QPR stuff more than the old Queen? You're very right! I feel the same way. Now it's up to the people with the gems.... |
| Rick 06.06.2010 03:11 |
Now we only have to wait for comments such as "I can't share my gems, because I made a promise not to" :-) |
| on my way up 06.06.2010 03:21 |
Rick wrote: Now we only have to wait for comments such as "I can't share my gems, because I made a promise not to" :-) Well, the difference is that people on sites like dime or TTD show every day now that it IS possible to share and that in the end everyone benefits. Is the Lampinski archive not a fantastic example? Dan recorded over a 100 shows, many of which are legendary (check out the The Who in Springfield from last week or the Queen-recording from Boston or Black Sabbath, Yes, Pink Floyd....) so I don't see any reason why people who have 1 Queen gem can not share that. Many great tapes HAVE come out the last few years, mostly from generous people OUTSIDE the Queen fan community. WE as Queen-fans must be able to do the same. |
| ok.computer 06.06.2010 07:23 |
Folks, this is called crowd-sourcing, and this is the only way forward. Some people will have one or two gems. They will not share them. In which case, you have to respect that decision, and move on. Some people will have little bits and pieces which deserve some attention, and will send them in. Some people will have nothing - like me, for example - but are interested to see what's out there. Some might consider that leeching. I consider it only being 13 when Queen last toured and not having very much money to traipse around the planet with a tape recorder in my pocket. But them's the breaks. This is a big task. How do you catalogue all this? How do you ensure it is available for posterity? Whilst this thread concentrates on the rarest gems, there are many more concerts which need to cleaned up, or have one definitive source identified. For example, could the Queenconcert chap, (an exccellent site, by the way), have a link on each concert, taking you to a rapidshare download? And what about those items which are not full concert audio? The 20 seconds of Super 8 film? The concert pictures? The "I met Freddie on holiday and went out boozing with him" snaps? I know I have posted about this before, but the more I think about it - the fact that much of this material has no mass market value - the more I am really surprised that the alleged talents of the Archivist weren't used to better effect. I vaguely remember some sort of call for memorabilia which was to result in....a book??! Get it online, get it available, get it preserved and get it shared. If you want to see this sort of thing in action, u2start.com is a good place to get inspiration. I for one would certainly hit the tip jar to the tune of a few quid if someone wanted to do an equivalent project - because there's one thing I forgot to mention: it's gonna really cost to do this right. Kudos to those who take the initiative on here for the greater good. |
| Benn Kempster 06.06.2010 08:19 |
This is an absolutely cracking Idea John. The world of Springsteen and Zeppelin is absolutely AWASH with great quality material and rarities are springing up all over the place at reasonably regular intervals. I'd suggest that, as with many here, the START of this project is Queen material (1973 - 1986). If someone other than Piittrek was to volunteer to take on solo material and / or Q+PR material, that would, of course, be wonderful in itself and provide a wonderful outlet for those recordings and for anyone who wished to access them. For my part, I'd happily volunteer to provide liner notes for each of the recordings / tracks that are made available. John / Pittrek, if this is of interest, please let me know via PM. Best regards. |
| Josh Henson 06.06.2010 08:36 |
people on streets wrote: @ on my way up: Sharing QPR videos is an option. Sure, if more people are willing to offer their videos I might join. @ Bob : what changed? I decided i will be selling the master. @Rick: I don't have the hague 74, and I don't care about it anymore. Have lost contact with the supposed owner. I basically stopped collecting roios and voios. I only like to tape concerts I visit. Other than that, i don't care. Life's too short. I have other priorities these days. Hopefully you all respect that. Kind regards, D If life is too short, then why NOT share these? I understand the hoarding of material. Yeah, it must feel great to know that you are only one of a few to own something or to have ever heard it, but in the end, does it matter? It's not like you're going to a higher plane of heaven (or hell, if that is what you aspire to) for owning it. It's kind of like those old rich guys that have enormous amounts of wealth and never did anything with it when they died. Never spent it, never enjoyed it, nothing. Talk about an empty feeling. What do you gain in the end because of it? I'm not trying to bash anyone up here who hoards and doesn't want to share; don't get me wrong. I think it's great that you may own some 'gems', but again, in the end, if you're the only one listening to it, what do you gain from that? Please do not let my post discourage those from sharing. I am only hoping that this will maybe encourage people who are on the fence about sharing, to actually do it. These are just my thoughts on things. I think it's great that BBC was shared and I hope that more will be shared. When you come up here and read all the negative comments (I have been guilty in the past) back and forth (GB), it's great to see some positive up here. It's apparent that Queen has no real interest to release the stuff they have. They've made that painfully apparent in recent years. it's up to us, as Queen fans, to keep things fresh and keep the music alive. I applaud all that you guys are doing. |
| Benn Kempster 06.06.2010 08:56 |
It's also important to state here, I think that, it goes without saying, whetever rarities sets eventually appear in the shops, we will all be more than happy to pop to the shops and part with our haerd-earned in support of the band. .......and please let's try to keep this thread to SPECIFICS on the project / idea as opposed to a bitch-a-thon about trading and hoarding etc etc ad infinitum. This is such a great and promising idea that it HAS to be taken seriously. |
| The Real Wizard 06.06.2010 10:32 |
ok.computer wrote: "Whilst this thread concentrates on the rarest gems, there are many more concerts which need to cleaned up, or have one definitive source identified." Have you leafed through Queenlive.ca? I think I've at least put a pretty good dent in it. Which existing shows do you feel still need work on them? |
| Queenrockyou 06.06.2010 14:28 |
ok.computer wrote: For example, could the Queenconcert chap, (an exccellent site, by the way), have a link on each concert, taking you to a rapidshare download? And what about those items which are not full concert audio? The 20 seconds of Super 8 film? The concert pictures? The "I met Freddie on holiday and went out boozing with him" snaps? Hi ! I would be happy to know what you think could be improved in the Queenconcerts's index. It's slightly off-topic maybe, so maybe could you share your opinions with me via PM ? thanks ! Regards, Olivier, Belgium. |
| marvinp01 06.06.2010 16:56 |
Request for the May 11,12,13 recording masters by Queen during the European News Of The World Show in 1978. |
| bigV 06.06.2010 18:08 |
Awesome idea! I would just like to not that whatever I had (namely the Vienna 2008) was shared at first convenience. So, I guess the ball is in the court of the "ubers". V. |
| ok.computer 08.06.2010 19:13 |
Sir GH wrote: ok.computer wrote: "Whilst this thread concentrates on the rarest gems, there are many more concerts which need to cleaned up, or have one definitive source identified." Have you leafed through Queenlive.ca? I think I've at least put a pretty good dent in it. Which existing shows do you feel still need work on them? Sir GH, I was speaking speculatively, and without much knowledge on the subject. There are bound to be a few out there, which are in need of a clean up, but I wouldn't have a clue which. It was merely speculative conjecture on my part - please take no offence! |
| The Real Wizard 09.06.2010 08:35 |
None taken, of course. But feel free to make suggestions... many of us enjoy taking a bit of time to clean up a recording whenever the need is there. |
| ok.computer 09.06.2010 12:51 |
Sir GH, I honestly wouldn't know. It's kinda like when the insurance company asks if you have a "master collection". The answer will always be "no", because there's always something out there that eludes one's attention. I am a very, VERY infrequent downloader. And anything I've ever had has been of excellent quality. |
| Michael Allred 09.06.2010 12:57 |
for the life of me I will NEVER understand the mentality of a hoarder. If I had, say, a studio recording of "Hangman" I would have shared it with the whole fucking world by now. |
| bigV 09.06.2010 15:57 |
Michael Allred wrote: for the life of me I will NEVER understand the mentality of a hoarder. If I had, say, a studio recording of "Hangman" I would have shared it with the whole fucking world by now. --- On behalf of everyone here, let me say that I'm really sorry you don't have it... V. |
| Benn Kempster 10.06.2010 03:44 |
Michael, Peurile and childish comments like that really don't help, believe me....... |
| Darren1977 10.06.2010 04:39 |
In my opinion if somebody has Hangman and other unreleased recordings, bootleg the fucking things and sell them and fuck Queen Productions, because they are not going to release them. In my edition of the Queen Fan Club mag from sometime in '93 EMI were planning the so called anthologies for release and here we are some 17 years later and still nothing. Remember a couple of years back, a lot of you helped out gb with your lists of audio and visual recordings etc, what became of that. He asks you guys/gals for info all the time and in return he can't answer simple questions or even give hints. Fair enough there will be certain things he can't talk about, but come on. There a loads of groups out there who keep their fans posted as to what upcoming progects they are working on, but oh no not Queen. Let's release singles collections as box sets, how about yet ANOTHER greatest hits set. Fuck the fans. |
| andreas_mercury 10.06.2010 10:37 |
"Peurile and childish comments like that really don't help, believe me......." wisdom, except of you happening to be the most childish and fucking idiot on the forum .... only ever do you write negative comments and crap that is not even true! just shut up. this is a serious of thread and if the collectors (i dont call them to be hoarders because i dont know their reasons for the hoardings) might have something imporant to say ..... PS. i would have said to this privately but that doesn't work unfortunate. just stop posting. |
| Wayne Gretzky 10.06.2010 13:05 |
andreas_mercury wrote: only ever do you write negative comments and crap that is not even true! I would probably say the same to you. |
| Saint Jiub 10.06.2010 18:16 |
Nevermind, I thought I was in the hangman thread |
| andreas_mercury 11.06.2010 01:00 |
"I would probably say the same to you." but as the news flash you are a retart so it doesn't matter what you say... |
| Queenrockyou 11.06.2010 11:30 |
...apart from that, somebody who wants to continue where the original idea of this thread started ? Regards, Olivier, Belgium. |
| Michael Allred 11.06.2010 15:10 |
Benn Kempster wrote: Michael, Peurile and childish comments like that really don't help, believe me....... Call it what you like dear boy, it is what it is. It just reminds me of my four year old nephew who won't share his toys with his friends. As a Queen fan, I would, with glee, share rarities with every other fan I could. You know, to spread a tiny bit of happiness. ...but that's just me. |
| John S Stuart 11.06.2010 15:48 |
I am totally disillusioned by the blatant hypocrisy of some of the above posters. All I suggest is that some of you need to hang your head in shame. |
| on my way up 11.06.2010 16:23 |
Well, I guess we can conclude the people with the gems aren't willing to share their stuff... That's pretty obvious. By the way, it's remarkable how some regular visitors do NOT visit this topic. I just find it very sad that because of this selfish behaviour by so-called "private collectors", genuine fans can not enjoy great uncirculated recordings from our favourite band. For some people it's still about the music. For others all what matters is their "collection" and then especially the fact that they have something that only "a few elite collectors" have. |
| people on streets 11.06.2010 23:42 |
on my way up wrote: Well, I guess we can conclude the people with the gems aren't willing to share their stuff... That's pretty obvious. By the way, it's remarkable how some regular visitors do NOT visit this topic. I just find it very sad that because of this selfish behaviour by so-called "private collectors", genuine fans can not enjoy great uncirculated recordings from our favourite band. For some people it's still about the music. For others all what matters is their "collection" and then especially the fact that they have something that only "a few elite collectors" have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You went to Antwerp 2005 and 2008, right? Were you videotaping? NO. I was. You could have done the same. Instead, you enjoyed the show and started begging for the video afterwards. |
| people on streets 11.06.2010 23:45 |
The people who are begging and whining about this so called elite group of collectors are the same people who don't tape shows. I'm not taping shows for your enjoyment. I'm creating my own souvenirs because I only live once. All you beggars can kiss my ass. |
| people on streets 11.06.2010 23:50 |
John S Stuart wrote: I am totally disillusioned by the blatant hypocrisy of some of the above posters. All I suggest is that some of you need to hang your head in shame. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hypocrisy because of what? You've chosen to share some recordings. Fine. Great. Some people (including me) did the same. Other people choose not to share. Deal with it. |
| on my way up 12.06.2010 02:30 |
people on streets wrote: on my way up wrote: Well, I guess we can conclude the people with the gems aren't willing to share their stuff... That's pretty obvious. By the way, it's remarkable how some regular visitors do NOT visit this topic. I just find it very sad that because of this selfish behaviour by so-called "private collectors", genuine fans can not enjoy great uncirculated recordings from our favourite band. For some people it's still about the music. For others all what matters is their "collection" and then especially the fact that they have something that only "a few elite collectors" have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You went to Antwerp 2005 and 2008, right? Were you videotaping? NO. I was. You could have done the same. Instead, you enjoyed the show and started begging for the video afterwards. When did I ever begg you for the videos you made at the QPR Antwerp shows? I NEVER did that. Don't put words in my mouth. All I wanted was an audio recording of the 2005 show, for emotional reasons. (didn't have to ask for the 2008 show because Olivier - such a nice guy!! - send me an audiorecording faster than I could ask for one). You might remember we did a trade for the 2005 recording. I had to give 4 Queen-shows that weren't circulating much at the time, to get that QPR-show and I could - under no circumstance - trade your precious recording. By the way, I never did trade your recording. And you call me a begger? What would you call yourself then? |
| Gregsynth 12.06.2010 02:37 |
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| on my way up 12.06.2010 02:38 |
people on streets wrote: The people who are begging and whining about this so called elite group of collectors are the same people who don't tape shows. I'm not taping shows for your enjoyment. I'm creating my own souvenirs because I only live once. All you beggars can kiss my ass. The funny thing is: are you actually taping the shows for YOUR enjoyment? You've said at various times you don't ever listen to your stuff... Why do you do it then? And for your information: I HAVE found GENEROUS tapers (who taped stuff in the seventies!) who were willing to share their stuff so that we can ALL enjoy it now. I'm sure it's a good thing it wasn't you who found those people... (who taped the real deal and not QPR by the way..) |
| brians wig 12.06.2010 03:54 |
on my way up wrote: All I wanted was an audio recording of the 2005 show, for emotional reasons. (didn't have to ask for the 2008 show because Olivier - such a nice guy!! - send me an audiorecording faster than I could ask for one). You might remember we did a trade for the 2005 recording. I had to give 4 Queen-shows that weren't circulating much at the time, to get that QPR-show and I could - under no circumstance - trade your precious recording. By the way, I never did trade your recording. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christ. 4 shows for one????? You could have had mine on a one to one swap. Some people just take the biscuit. |
| A Word In Your Ear 12.06.2010 04:05 |
brians wig wrote: on my way up wrote: All I wanted was an audio recording of the 2005 show, for emotional reasons. (didn't have to ask for the 2008 show because Olivier - such a nice guy!! - send me an audiorecording faster than I could ask for one). You might remember we did a trade for the 2005 recording. I had to give 4 Queen-shows that weren't circulating much at the time, to get that QPR-show and I could - under no circumstance - trade your precious recording. By the way, I never did trade your recording. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christ. 4 shows for one????? You could have had mine on a one to one swap. Some people just take the biscuit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's the saying? "I'd give my right arm............." |
| Rick 12.06.2010 07:35 |
Some people need to re-read John's first post in this topic. The main idea behind this topic is starting to vanish now. |
| people on streets 12.06.2010 09:07 |
haha. Silly people. |
| people on streets 12.06.2010 09:12 |
on my way up wrote: people on streets wrote: The people who are begging and whining about this so called elite group of collectors are the same people who don't tape shows. I'm not taping shows for your enjoyment. I'm creating my own souvenirs because I only live once. All you beggars can kiss my ass. The funny thing is: are you actually taping the shows for YOUR enjoyment? You've said at various times you don't ever listen to your stuff... Why do you do it then? And for your information: I HAVE found GENEROUS tapers (who taped stuff in the seventies!) who were willing to share their stuff so that we can ALL enjoy it now. I'm sure it's a good thing it wasn't you who found those people... (who taped the real deal and not QPR by the way..) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I DO listen / watch the concerts I tape. Of course. I said on various times I don't listen / watch voios / roios from shows I haven't visited. That's why I gave up trading those voios / roios. Good for you, you found 70s tapers. I don't care. I didn't live in the 70s. I don't listen to those recordings much. I prefer to visit shows and make my own tapes. Maybe you will understand if you tape a show yourself. |
| andreas_mercury 12.06.2010 09:18 |
too bad of you are a fucking idiot then..... |
| people on streets 12.06.2010 09:31 |
Gregsynth wrote: I'm sorry about this: I rarely comment about other posters directly (I prefer to comment about the post, not the poster) unless I absolutely NEED to do so. Some of the comments I have read on this topic made my blood boil: "Rotterdam 78 is out of the question--I will never share it" "I'm not taping shows for your enjoyment. I'm creating my own souvenirs because I only live once. All you beggars can kiss my ass." "Other people choose not to share. Deal with it." I really don't give a rat's ass if you share something or not, but don't fucking come on this site and start posting arrogant nonsense like what I quoted from above. Some of the younger fans (including myself) weren't BORN during Queen's heyday, so DUHHH--we would like seeing other people's filmed works of the band. A friend of mine and myself, are currently in contact with someone who possesses a portion of Queen's first concert on The Game Tour (Vancouver). We will be (hopefully) seeing the rest of the concert (6 songs were salvaged from a tape) within a few days. The moment we get the songs, I'm going to post a torrent of the concert and let EVERYBODY have access to it. It's called SHARING. Deal with it. If the person who said the following quotes instead said: "I have this recording, but please respect my intents on keeping it private," then we wouldn't post the "hoarder" comments, and we would respect your decision, and drop the matter instantaneously. So instead of acting like an arrogant prick (and talking back to one of the archivists), just keep those kind of comments to yourself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< About Rotterdam: I understand your point about me being an arrogant prick but you should realise I had already offered to share Rotterdam in another topic if other people would do share their rarities (Lakeland, Monterrey, Puebla etc). No one responded. I only commented on the Rotterdam matter once again because someone asked about it in this topic (sir GH) I realised the "we all share our rarities thing" doesn't really work (this topic is another good proof of that) so that's when I decided to sell the master. About taping shows: Yes. I tape shows for my own enjoyment. I't my personal souvenir. I'm not taping for other people. If they want a tape they can always try to bring their own equipment and tape too. About hoarding: Some people share. Some people don't. Deal with it. Funny that the starter of this topic mentions Bruce Springsteen fans as being altruistic and sharing and all that. I know a guy who filmed over 100 Bruce Springsteen concerts. Shared nothing. Every communtiy has this. u2 is famous for it's fan projects wich leads to some great multi angle videos wich are shared for free. But U2 fans are also famous for hoarding IEM recordings. Again, deal with hoarding. It will always be there. |
| people on streets 12.06.2010 09:37 |
brians wig wrote: on my way up wrote: All I wanted was an audio recording of the 2005 show, for emotional reasons. (didn't have to ask for the 2008 show because Olivier - such a nice guy!! - send me an audiorecording faster than I could ask for one). You might remember we did a trade for the 2005 recording. I had to give 4 Queen-shows that weren't circulating much at the time, to get that QPR-show and I could - under no circumstance - trade your precious recording. By the way, I never did trade your recording. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christ. 4 shows for one????? You could have had mine on a one to one swap. Some people just take the biscuit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< You might also remember I shared my 2008 recording here for free :-) |
| Gregsynth 12.06.2010 09:55 |
people on streets wrote: Gregsynth wrote: I'm sorry about this: I rarely comment about other posters directly (I prefer to comment about the post, not the poster) unless I absolutely NEED to do so. Some of the comments I have read on this topic made my blood boil: "Rotterdam 78 is out of the question--I will never share it" "I'm not taping shows for your enjoyment. I'm creating my own souvenirs because I only live once. All you beggars can kiss my ass." "Other people choose not to share. Deal with it." I really don't give a rat's ass if you share something or not, but don't fucking come on this site and start posting arrogant nonsense like what I quoted from above. Some of the younger fans (including myself) weren't BORN during Queen's heyday, so DUHHH--we would like seeing other people's filmed works of the band. A friend of mine and myself, are currently in contact with someone who possesses a portion of Queen's first concert on The Game Tour (Vancouver). We will be (hopefully) seeing the rest of the concert (6 songs were salvaged from a tape) within a few days. The moment we get the songs, I'm going to post a torrent of the concert and let EVERYBODY have access to it. It's called SHARING. Deal with it. If the person who said the following quotes instead said: "I have this recording, but please respect my intents on keeping it private," then we wouldn't post the "hoarder" comments, and we would respect your decision, and drop the matter instantaneously. So instead of acting like an arrogant prick (and talking back to one of the archivists), just keep those kind of comments to yourself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< About Rotterdam: I understand your point about me being an arrogant prick but you should realise I had already offered to share Rotterdam in another topic if other people would do share their rarities (Lakeland, Monterrey, Puebla etc). No one responded. I only commented on the Rotterdam matter once again because someone asked about it in this topic (sir GH) I realised the "we all share our rarities thing" doesn't really work (this topic is another good proof of that) so that's when I decided to sell the master. About taping shows: Yes. I tape shows for my own enjoyment. I't my personal souvenir. I'm not taping for other people. If they want a tape they can always try to bring their own equipment and tape too. About hoarding: Some people share. Some people don't. Deal with it. Funny that the starter of this topic mentions Bruce Springsteen fans as being altruistic and sharing and all that. I know a guy who filmed over 100 Bruce Springsteen concerts. Shared nothing. Every communtiy has this. u2 is famous for it's fan projects wich leads to some great multi angle videos wich are shared for free. But U2 fans are also famous for hoarding IEM recordings. Again, deal with hoarding. It will always be there. ============================================== I want to clarify a couple points: You not sharing anything doesn't make you an "arrogant prick". It's the whole "kiss my ass/you weren't there/deal with it" comments that made me write that post. I'm almost positive that everybody on this site has got some recordings that they would keep private--that's fine. I just don't like it when people say that, but then go on forums, say they have stuff (especially rare material), but refuse to share it. BTW, I doubt you are an arrogant prick in real life, I'm just going off the comments I have read. Cheers. |
| people on streets 12.06.2010 09:58 |
on my way up wrote: people on streets wrote: Rotterdam 78 is out of the question. I will never share it. I'm not surprised but, why not? You filmed QPR gig(s): would you be willing to share any of those? Let's try to keep this thread a positive one: who else is willing to share and has one of the gems Sir GH wrote about? Of course, just sending them to Peter for upload without making yourself known is also an option:-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< You didn't ask for my videos??? |
| on my way up 12.06.2010 10:05 |
people on streets wrote: on my way up wrote: people on streets wrote: Rotterdam 78 is out of the question. I will never share it. I'm not surprised but, why not? You filmed QPR gig(s): would you be willing to share any of those? Let's try to keep this thread a positive one: who else is willing to share and has one of the gems Sir GH wrote about? Of course, just sending them to Peter for upload without making yourself known is also an option:-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< You didn't ask for my videos??? You made clear you weren't willing to share the Rotterdam'78 footage. That's why I asked whether you'd be willing to share the QPR gigs you filmed. That was thus asked just to keep this thread going, as you can read in that post. There's a big difference between begging and asking whether you'd be willing to share something;-) Don't worry, I'd never begg for a QPR video. I'm a much bigger Queen-fan than a QPR-fan to be honest. For me the QUEEN-stuff is the real deal. |
| pittrek 12.06.2010 10:27 |
Come on guys, why is there so much hate in this thread ? Enjoy life, it's short. Sometimes TOO short. All this fighting is pointless |
| people on streets 12.06.2010 10:33 |
You are right Peter. |
| The Real Wizard 12.06.2010 20:34 |
My thoughts.. 1) Being a taper doesn't make someone a hero. Sharing does. What good is preserving history if nobody gets to hear/see it? 2) Taping a show last year especially doesn't make someone a hero. Just about anyone can do it. It was a major feat 30 years ago, and it's an even bigger feat when the recording survives and is transferred to digital with care. 3) Most of the 30-year-old Queen recordings being hoarded are in the hands of people who didn't tape them. 4) Most people at a Queen forum don't care about recordings that were made a couple years ago. They are generally not historically significant. 5) The spirit of this thread was to encourage people to share, not for the people with the material to rub it into everyone's faces. But that's all fine. Live and let live, and people can do as they please. Life goes on. But this is the bottom line: 6) It's a shame that the hoarders still get to download what others generously share. |
| Kniggit 13.06.2010 14:50 |
Maybe you should edit the title to include what this post is about? |
| tcc 13.06.2010 19:04 |
My thoughts on the matter of hoarding: 1. If you share food, what you give out is lost to you. However sharing music is different - you still own a copy and get to enjoy what you have shared. What is lost is the perceived investment value of that bootleg. 2. How much money can a person make from a bootleg ? Unless you are the likes of Snow Productions, the amount that a person can make from selling a bootleg will not be substantial. It is probably easier to make money from investing in the stock market. 3. Eventually everyone has to part with whatever he has. If the person's second generation does not treasure the bootleg that is passed on and throws it away as trash, the music which the person found will be lost again. Alternatively, if the second generation gives it away freely to other people, then you might as well do it yourself and gain some recognition for it. |
| ok.computer 17.06.2010 20:17 |
Yes indeed, this thread, like so many others has tailspun out of control waaaaaaaaay off in the opposite direction. Whoever it was up above that wrote about not sharing is correct. It's theirs, they made it, they don't have to share it. I don't judge them. I don't pity them. I don't even mock them. But just to go over one point again: if you think that there is any money to be made from hoarding, think again. The Queen realm of those who would pay for such material diminishes every year, as the relevance of the band fades, and a new generation of listeners, quite happy to make do with the original canon of available albums grows. The teenies and twenty-somethings coming up behind don't give a shit about a Sunbury concert or some crackly audience recording from 1976. They have been educated to, and strive for mediocrity. They. Don't. Care. As long as you hoarders know that, and keep your stuff for your own personal pleasure, that's a-ok with me. Just to reiterate what someone else wrote, I myself was only 13 when Queen last toured. They came to Slane - the nearest gig to me some 180 miles south of where I live, in a land with very little in the way of public transport those days - and of course I was never going to be allowed to go to that, even with a gang of others. So my own contributions to a fan archive are gonna be pretty limited - as will most people's. So feel free to hoard your stuff. You earned the right to. I admire your anal streak of character - I could be never be arsed to be that bothered, but if that's your bag, I support your right to be Silas Stingy. I'm going to re-post this next bit, so with a bit of luck we can go back ON TOPIC and away from the self-flagellations of those in their twilight years who are in the enviable position to be hoarders: There is a need to either: expand one of the existing fansites; or create a whole new site; ...which will be a repository for as much of the existing material as possible "out there". I am suggesting, after a little reconsideration of the topic that perhaps even Queenzone could be such a site. The site in question will need huge disk-space to operate, so some sort of membership scheme might be needed. Think about the possibilities: a tag-able picture gallery of fan photos, catalogued on upload; a searchable, downloadable repository of film footage, submitted and again tagged by fans as they upload a searchable, downloadable gallery of audio bootlegs, perhaps catalogued by some of the Queen "bigwigs" on here - a little debate and agreement between them as to which final copy of the bootleg is "as good as it gets". This requires work. It requires collaboration. It maybe even requires some of the existing big fansites to get together and combine forces, with sharing of work and costs. I for one am only a casual observer, with a few dozen LP bootlegs, all of which are downloadable already. I don't care about the picture gallery. I don't care about the 30 seconds of 8mm footage from the legendary Backofbeyond gig in Swaziland. What I would care about, however, is the ultimate fan repository, combining all the talents, and all the material. Brooks and QPL have missed a trick here. And really, so have the hoarders, and the people who dismissed the original thrust of this thread. I am actually astonished at their lack of knowledge of the sort of shared project which can typify the very best of the internet. If anyone actually sets this out as a proposal, gets a domain name and invites submissions to a nicely designed site, aimed only at perpetuating an online archive of all things Queen, I'd be the first to hit the tip jar to the tune of £200. It's all I can afford, but I'd pay it if it started to roll. Lengthy soliloquy over. |
| The Real Wizard 17.06.2010 23:33 |
Superb post, ok.computer. I'm game. Anything on my website is free to be used, and I'll contribute in any way I can. Who else is in? |
| pittrek 18.06.2010 00:50 |
Is there any way how can I help ? |
| ok.computer 18.06.2010 05:40 |
Lads, you have to decide what way to take this. Is it going to be a new site? Is it going to be a revamp of an existing site? Is it going to be the amalgamation of a couple of sites? Then, what sections are you going to concentrate on? How will you gather up the material? This is a big job, a potentially costly job, and you all keep excellent sites as it is. Some big decisions to be made before embarking on this path... |
| The Real Wizard 18.06.2010 09:31 |
We need more people to express an interest to begin with. It can't be just 3 or 4 people. We need dozens. |
| Queenrockyou 18.06.2010 12:34 |
Hello everyone. - I'm in big favor of that project. - My bootleg collection is open of course. - I'm currently working on a new index, with a complete catalogue of what is out there along with Marco. - Vali is working on a bunch of new artwork, it could be nice to get his talent used for that project. Alex, if you hear that, say hello ! - I have absolutely no skills at creating websites. - I give my whole time and cooperation to such a project, just tell me what to do. - I'm pretty sure there are kind people out there ready to embark on such a project with their own skills, remastering for example... - I'm just annoyed with copyright problems, Queenzone has the band's "approval", it would be better to solve this copyright problem before starting anything. Express your thoughts everyone !! For once, it gets back to the original topic, so please express your interest. Regards, Olivier, Belgium. |
| Vali 19.06.2010 05:25 |
ruth.olivier wrote: - Vali is working on a bunch of new artwork, it could be nice to get his talent used for that project. Alex, if you hear that, say hello ! ++++++++++++++ as this "talent" could be my only contribution to this project, you can always count on me. I'm in. ps: yes, where's Alex ? |
| e-man 20.06.2010 04:15 |
as a somewhat younger fan, I have nothing to offer to this apart from what's already available. I've recorded bits and pieces on the QPR gigs I atteneded, but it was all done with portable cameras and phones, thus the quality isn't great but I hope this project is launched, cause as someone mentioned - it's incredible what the springsteen / zeppelin camp have done over the years (on a sidenote; QPR Birmingham 05 was my first ever Queen/related live experience - so a video recording of that would be such a treat!!!!) |