| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 26.03.2010 02:04 |
Opinions needed please... which bootlegs have the best sounding versions of the De Lane Lea demos and the BBC Session 2 recordings? Thanks in advance. |
| pittrek 26.03.2010 02:41 |
I've heard many of the bootlegs, but none of them sounds as good as one circulating non-bootlegged tape |
| Soundfreak 26.03.2010 05:05 |
They all have their faults. Many play at false speed. And even those, that have a lot of hiss may be better than those that went through some overdone noisereduction or bad mastering. Whatever you find or buy you will have to work on it a bit to get closer to what the band really sounded like. |
| John S Stuart 27.03.2010 15:12 |
Confession: I own the best versions of both the De Lane Lea and the BBC sessions (Inside or outside the Queen vaults) and they exist in their original raw (not sonically corrupted) master-tape (not degenerated copies) form. This is not carrot dangling - but fact. They may be uploaded here under the following conditions: First: I do not upload them - I would not know how - and I would not accept the respnsibility of taking on Queen PLC. If some brave proxy wanted to take that role upon themselves - that would be their decission - not mine. Second: They were not devalued in anyway. (ie musically equalised, MP3'd, traded or ended up on ebay). |
| pittrek 27.03.2010 16:04 |
John S Stuart wrote: Confession: I own the best versions of both the De Lane Lea and the BBC sessions (Inside or outside the Queen vaults) and they exist in their original raw (not sonically corrupted) master-tape (not degenerated copies) form. This is not carrot dangling - but fact. They may be uploaded here under the following conditions: First: I do not upload them - I would not know how - and I would not accept the respnsibility of taking on Queen PLC. If some brave proxy wanted to take that role upon themselves - that would be their decission - not mine. Second: They were not devalued in anyway. (ie musically equalised, MP3'd, traded or ended up on ebay). I offer my services and the risks :-) |
| John S Stuart 27.03.2010 16:39 |
pittrek wrote: I offer my services and the risks :-)Send me a PM with your details. |
| Marknow 27.03.2010 17:06 |
That's very nice of you John to share these recordings. I have 200kbs upload and would be glad to assist seeding a torrent, pm me. Thanks again. |
| GinjaNinja 27.03.2010 18:46 |
Thank you John. In other threads we have people complaining about you not sharing one track, but here you are willing to share many here with us all. If there is any way I can assist with the uploading of these files, I'd love to. |
| Jam Monkey 28.03.2010 08:54 |
This is excellent news. It would be great to hear these tracks is good quality. In the sprit of sharing I have some lossless demos that are far greater in quality to the commonly shared versions on YouTube and alike. I will upload these soon. |
| Benn Kempster 28.03.2010 11:15 |
You see, this is the type of gesture made by someone with a genuine feeling for the collecting community. Were that it could be the same from officialdom. Thank you John. |
| pete66 29.03.2010 03:54 |
Thanks John and everyone else here who shares there Queen stuff .. I have to say Ive got to hear so many great Queen tracks because of the genorosity of you guys. I think i would have lost intrest in Queen long ago if I waited for anything of intrest to come officialy... so many thanks again |
| Pim Derks 29.03.2010 12:10 |
Wow, this is excellent news! |
| brians wig 29.03.2010 15:30 |
John S Stuart wrote:
Confession: I own the best versions of both the De Lane Lea and the BBC sessions (Inside or outside the Queen vaults) and they exist in their original raw (not sonically corrupted) master-tape (not degenerated copies) form.
This is not carrot dangling - but fact.
So far, all the De Lane Lea demos currently available are taken from a CD produced in 1994 by a Dutch fan (I'm not naming him) from a reel-reel tape he owns or owned. He apparantly had permission from Jim Beach to release them because he loaned that tape to QPL. Therefore, this CD would be the best 'available' version of those demos as it's the original source and because nobody knows whether subsequent CD releases taken from this disc were done digitally or analogue (it was 1994). Whether this tape is the same generation or not as John's, only John would be able to tell... :) |
| Negative Creep 29.03.2010 16:10 |
Are you talking about the In The Beginning bootleg? If so, there's no chance that's sourced from any kind of master. And there's also no chance Jim Beach would allow someone to press up a bootleg of anything to sell. When referring to those demos, didn't Brian once comment on a potential new technology that could extract the wave forms from vinyl or acetate without playing it and not picking up surface noise - therefore suggesting they don't have the masters for the recordings. |
| Penetration_Guru 29.03.2010 17:40 |
I hope John won't mind me saying that I was lucky enough to hear his versions of some of those BBC tracks, and they piss all over any other version I've ever heard. Especially Spread Your Wings, which is just immense. |
| brians wig 29.03.2010 19:13 |
Negative Creep wrote: Are you talking about the In The Beginning bootleg? If so, there's no chance that's sourced from any kind of master. And there's also no chance Jim Beach would allow someone to press up a bootleg of anything to sell. When referring to those demos, didn't Brian once comment on a potential new technology that could extract the wave forms from vinyl or acetate without playing it and not picking up surface noise - therefore suggesting they don't have the masters for the recordings. Yes, that's the one. I can only go on information I'm told about the tape/CD and the story that goes with it - not only from the Dutch guy himself but from other Queen collectors. It's certainly an infinately better sounding version than the one i first got centuries ago on a bootleg compilation, the name of which escapes me - maybe unobtaianable vol1 or unreleased vol1? It had "Cool Cat" on it and also a ton of live performances including "Imagine" & "Saturday Night's Alrighht For Figting". There's undoubtedly an awful lot of misinformation out there that has been bandied about for decades that needs clearing up, and the one good thing about the internet is that the ease of modern communication if helping to clear all this up. If my statements are incorrect, please correct them! The technology Brian talked about would no doubt be the laser record player the japanese invented back in the early 90's (they are still made - improved upon obviously, and about $5000 US!) and whatever software they had. Such a pity that laser record player never took off and was effectively killed by CD :( |
| pittrek 30.03.2010 05:25 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: I hope John won't mind me saying that I was lucky enough to hear his versions of some of those BBC tracks, and they piss all over any other version I've ever heard. Especially Spread Your Wings, which is just immense. Oh, that's really great. Session 6 is just an absolute must for listening, so it will be great to hear it in best available quality |
| YourValentine 30.03.2010 06:50 |
This will be a great moment in the history of this community! Thank you very much, John:-) |
| pittrek 30.03.2010 07:04 |
YourValentine wrote: This will be a great moment in the history of this community! Thank you very much, John:-) I hope it CAN be shared here :-) (without the first and third session) |
| thomasquinn 32989 30.03.2010 07:11 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: I hope John won't mind me saying that I was lucky enough to hear his versions of some of those BBC tracks, and they piss all over any other version I've ever heard. Especially Spread Your Wings, which is just immense. Stop it, you're turning me on ;-P |
| Vali 30.03.2010 07:15 |
can't wait til the moment arrives ... this will be awesome. Many tks to everyone involved !!! |
| GinjaNinja 30.03.2010 13:48 |
Does your BBC session tape have an undamaged version of the so-called "Forgotten Intro" to Ogre Battle? If so, will that be shared alongside the others? |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 31.03.2010 09:45 |
I must admit, I'm very excited and anxious to hear these. |
| onedunpark 31.03.2010 14:31 |
John, I can only add my infinite thanks in anticipation for your generosity. Steven |
| brENsKi 04.04.2010 15:08 |
John really looking forward to upgrading my sh*tty version of these songs. cheers |
| Jer 05.04.2010 13:08 |
Most looking forward to hearing a "best" recording of White Queen, IMHO one of the best things Queen ever recorded and a definite BM highlight, both for the song and some of his best ever guitar. Big thanks to John and any/everyone else involved |
| inu-liger 10.04.2010 01:19 |
Any updates? :-) |
| pittrek 10.04.2010 06:49 |
inu-liger wrote: Any updates? :-) I guess no :-( |
| brians wig 10.04.2010 10:07 |
inu-liger wrote: Any updates? :-) Last weekend we had Easter Bank Holiday, so that's 4 days without a postal service. If John was also away on holiday that weekend, it would only have been a few days ago that he would have got round to copying the discs for Pittrek. He then has to send them out to Slovakia, so i wouldn't expect anything until the end of next week. |
| Benn Kempster 10.04.2010 12:34 |
Please tell me that we're not going to start getting people moaning about the speed at which these become available........ |
| John S Stuart 10.04.2010 15:36 |
Indeed, I have just returned from Paris, and things will return to normal on Monday 12th April when I return to work. I hope to copy the discs sometime that week. After that I have to post the discs. The discs then need to be converted and uploaded. I have already promised this to both Pittrek and the 'zone, and I believe, as far as in here is concerned, I am a man of my word. The rest is patience I'm afraid. |
| John S Stuart 10.04.2010 15:48 |
brians wig wrote: John S Stuart wrote: Confession: I own the best versions of both the De Lane Lea and the BBC sessions (Inside or outside the Queen vaults) and they exist in their original raw (not sonically corrupted) master-tape (not degenerated copies) form. This is not carrot dangling - but fact.So far, all the De Lane Lea demos currently available are taken from a CD produced in 1994 by a Dutch fan (I'm not naming him) from a reel-reel tape he owns or owned. He apparantly had permission from Jim Beach to release them because he loaned that tape to QPL. Therefore, this CD would be the best 'available' version of those demos as it's the original source and because nobody knows whether subsequent CD releases taken from this disc were done digitally or analogue (it was 1994). Whether this tape is the same generation or not as John's, only John would be able to tell... :) FACT: I bought two versions of this tape from the same source. A master reel and a copy. This Dutch fan (Let's Call him Mr. R) - It was me who sold him his 7" reel-to-reel tape in a private sale. Guess which version I sold - and which version I kept? He paid around £1,000 for his version - and promised not to bootleg it. (In fact, he never even had the decency to send me a courtesy of copy of his bootleg!). I also seem to recall GB sticking his nose in sometime after the deal was completed - because he thought it was dishonest of me to sell the copy - while retaining the master - you go figure! |
| Saint Jiub 10.04.2010 17:41 |
I hope John at least gets a tax deduction for his generosity in donating something that is worth more than one week's pay for most people.[img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] |
| CRM 11.04.2010 08:33 |
GB trying to take the moral high ground...ha ha... :) |
| pittrek 11.04.2010 09:05 |
John S Stuart wrote:brians wig wrote:FACT: I bought two versions of this tape from the same source. A master reel and a copy. This Dutch fan (Let's Call him Mr. R) - It was me who sold him his 7" reel-to-reel tape in a private sale. Guess which version I sold - and which version I kept? He paid around £1,000 for his version - and promised not to bootleg it. (In fact, he never even had the decency to send me a courtesy of copy of his bootleg!). I also seem to recall GB sticking his nose in sometime after the deal was completed - because he thought it was dishonest of me to sell the copy - while retaining the master - you go figure!John S Stuart wrote: Confession: I own the best versions of both the De Lane Lea and the BBC sessions (Inside or outside the Queen vaults) and they exist in their original raw (not sonically corrupted) master-tape (not degenerated copies) form. This is not carrot dangling - but fact.So far, all the De Lane Lea demos currently available are taken from a CD produced in 1994 by a Dutch fan (I'm not naming him) from a reel-reel tape he owns or owned. He apparantly had permission from Jim Beach to release them because he loaned that tape to QPL. Therefore, this CD would be the best 'available' version of those demos as it's the original source and because nobody knows whether subsequent CD releases taken from this disc were done digitally or analogue (it was 1994). Whether this tape is the same generation or not as John's, only John would be able to tell... :) So the demos come from a 1st gen tape if I understood it correctly ? So what's the correct lineage ? ? > 7" reel-to-reel tape > 1st gen tape > "In The Beginning " CD right ? |
| John S Stuart 12.04.2010 10:39 |
Pittrek: I guess so. |
| John S Stuart 12.04.2010 10:43 |
Pittrek: I guess so. |
| people on streets 12.04.2010 18:15 |
The first gen copy sounds great to me already. But if you would decide to upload a lossless copy from the master (via Pittrek that is),that version would be a definitive version of these fab demos! I'm curious about Queen Productions' reaction though... By the way: we all know RW. I think he earned a hell of a lot money with all his bootleg videos and cds in '90s and early '00s. |
| people on streets 12.04.2010 18:18 |
John S Stuart wrote: I also seem to recall GB sticking his nose in sometime after the deal was completed - because he thought it was dishonest of me to sell the copy - while retaining the master - you go figure! Doesn't surprise me at all. Mister GB seems to be VERY good friends with some so called Dutch top collectors. |
| tjleone 12.04.2010 22:49 |
Hey John, thank you in advance!! |
| pittrek 13.04.2010 07:35 |
John S Stuart wrote: Pittrek: I guess so.Thanks for the info ! |
| pittrek 13.04.2010 07:40 |
people on streets wrote: The first gen copy sounds great to me already. But if you would decide to upload a lossless copy from the master (via Pittrek that is),that version would be a definitive version of these fab demos! I'm curious about Queen Productions' reaction though... By the way: we all know RW. I think he earned a hell of a lot money with all his bootleg videos and cds in '90s and early '00s. Well not ALL :-) I never head the "pleasure" to know him (at least I don't think I have). Anyway, the bootleg CD has a lot of background noise - it's not hiss, I'm not sure what's the correct English term, but if you listen to it with your headphones you will surely know what I'm talking about. Maybe it's just a bad transfer ? |
| people on streets 13.04.2010 15:15 |
It all depends on how long you are active in this strange Queen roio and voio collecting thing. Let's say any collector who was active in the 90's knows RW and his bootlegs. |
| people on streets 13.04.2010 15:15 |
double |
| people on streets 13.04.2010 15:15 |
double post |
| pittrek 14.04.2010 11:47 |
people on streets wrote: double post Hey D. , could you please send me a mail ? I don't know if you still use your old address because I'm getting spam from there, and PMs are not working |
| inu-liger 15.04.2010 02:05 |
pittrek wrote: people on streets wrote: The first gen copy sounds great to me already. But if you would decide to upload a lossless copy from the master (via Pittrek that is),that version would be a definitive version of these fab demos! I'm curious about Queen Productions' reaction though... By the way: we all know RW. I think he earned a hell of a lot money with all his bootleg videos and cds in '90s and early '00s. Well not ALL :-) I never head the "pleasure" to know him (at least I don't think I have). Anyway, the bootleg CD has a lot of background noise - it's not hiss, I'm not sure what's the correct English term, but if you listen to it with your headphones you will surely know what I'm talking about. Maybe it's just a bad transfer ? I think it could be persistent low to mild distortion. It certainly isn't hiss in the normal sense! I'm also trying to think of a possible alternative term as well... |
| inu-liger 15.04.2010 02:06 |
people on streets wrote: By the way: we all know RW. I think he earned a hell of a lot money with all his bootleg videos and cds in '90s and early '00s. Is this the notorious fellow that runs the Queen Collector website? |
| pittrek 15.04.2010 02:42 |
inu-liger wrote:Oh, you're talking about Trancer ?people on streets wrote: By the way: we all know RW. I think he earned a hell of a lot money with all his bootleg videos and cds in '90s and early '00s.Is this the notorious fellow that runs the Queen Collector website? |
| brians wig 15.04.2010 05:21 |
It's NOT Trancer - he's an American. |
| thomasquinn 32989 15.04.2010 06:22 |
brians wig wrote: It's NOT Trancer - he's an American. Really? I always thought he was an asshole. |
| pittrek 15.04.2010 06:42 |
brians wig wrote: It's NOT Trancer - he's an American. Thanks. I forgot that there is Queencollector.COM and Queencollector.NET :-) |
| people on streets 15.04.2010 12:21 |
RW is not Trancer. Trancer is called James Moron |
| people on streets 15.04.2010 12:27 |
pittrek wrote: people on streets wrote: double post Hey D. , could you please send me a mail ? I don't know if you still use your old address because I'm getting spam from there, and PMs are not working +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I've sent you an e-mail from my gmail account. |
| inu-liger 15.04.2010 21:18 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: brians wig wrote: It's NOT Trancer - he's an American. Really? I always thought he was an asshole. LOL! Good one! Well if it's not him, is RW really Roger Waters then?? |
| people on streets 16.04.2010 06:46 |
Robbie Williams |
| inu-liger 24.04.2010 21:39 |
*poke* I guess the postal deliverers have been sniffing too much volcanic ash? :-P |
| brians wig 25.04.2010 08:08 |
people on streets wrote: RW is not Trancer. Trancer is called James Moron Nice one. No matter what, I'm sure there was no need to actually name him. i don't suppose you'd like to tell us all who YOU are? |
| pittrek 25.04.2010 09:17 |
inu-liger wrote: *poke* I guess the postal deliverers have been sniffing too much volcanic ash? :-PProbably :) |
| inu-liger 25.04.2010 12:13 |
inu-liger wrote: *poke* I guess the postal deliverers have been sniffing too much volcanic ash? :-P ===== pittrek wrote: Probably :) === Well, I guess it's the same on my end. Been waiting two weeks at least for Jam Monkey's package to come in the mail... |
| Jam Monkey 26.04.2010 13:41 |
inu-liger wrote: inu-liger wrote: *poke* I guess the postal deliverers have been sniffing too much volcanic ash? :-P ===== pittrek wrote: Probably :) === Well, I guess it's the same on my end. Been waiting two weeks at least for Jam Monkey's package to come in the mail... You still haven't got it? I guess the ash cloud came at the wrong time. |
| inu-liger 26.04.2010 17:46 |
Jam Monkey wrote: You still haven't got it? I guess the ash cloud came at the wrong time. ==== Nope, mate. Still haven't received it! My Best Buy Canada order made on Sunday last week (the 18th) came in today even! Yeah, maybe the ash cloud came in just right around the time they (the UK postal services) were probably ready to fly out their rounds of parcels out overseas?? And it is unusual for a UK package to take more than two weeks to arrive. UK-sent parcels have always been faster for me than US or Japanese-sent parcels. |
| thomasquinn 32989 06.05.2010 14:57 |
*bump* Any news? |
| pittrek 07.05.2010 01:38 |
Dear John, I'm very sorry to be "restless", but please, if you changed your mind, let us know, we will understand it completely |
| inu-liger 08.05.2010 01:37 |
Just to update you Jam Monkey, I finally got your package on Thursday :-) Stupid ash clouds delaying my parcel, LOL! |
| John S Stuart 08.05.2010 06:15 |
Been busy electioneering all week. Disc is cut and in the post. Over to you... |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 08.05.2010 09:27 |
Many thanks John (and Pittrek)! |
| pittrek 08.05.2010 10:56 |
John S Stuart wrote: Been busy electioneering all week. Disc is cut and in the post. Over to you...THANK YOU MAN, YOU'RE GREAT ! |
| inu-liger 08.05.2010 12:38 |
Thank you John! :-D |
| Erin 09.05.2010 00:10 |
Yay! Can't wait to download it! :-D |
| Kniggit 09.05.2010 12:00 |
Sweet! |
| Vali 10.05.2010 03:13 |
wow ! great, great news !! Many thanks John ... and Peter in advance !!! :) |
| thomasquinn 32989 10.05.2010 11:29 |
John S Stuart wrote: Been busy electioneering all week. Disc is cut and in the post. Over to you... Great news! Electioneering for whom? |
| John S Stuart 12.05.2010 09:53 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: John S Stuart wrote: Been busy electioneering all week. Disc is cut and in the post. Over to you... Great news! Electioneering for whom? Doesn't matter whom who vote for - they always get in regardless! |
| John S Stuart 12.05.2010 09:54 |
Pittrek: Please send me an email. PM does not seem to be working! |
| inu-liger 12.05.2010 12:09 |
John, did you see my message on the Ultimate Collection 1977 thread regarding the Hardcore/Jungle Remixes? link |
| inu-liger 18.05.2010 15:24 |
Did you receive your disc(s), Pittrek? :-) |
| pittrek 19.05.2010 01:58 |
John S Stuart wrote: Pittrek: Please send me an email. PM does not seem to be working!Hi, I am VERY sorry but I only now found your message. Mail sent from my hotmail.com address |
| pittrek 19.05.2010 01:58 |
nu-liger wrote: Did you receive your disc(s), Pittrek? :-)Nope |
| deleted user 27.05.2010 07:32 |
Coming soon - In the box collection |
| Queenfred 27.05.2010 17:12 |
So what's the latest on there elusive recordings? Just curious. |
| theCro 27.05.2010 20:35 |
pittrek wrote: nu-liger wrote: Did you receive your disc(s), Pittrek? :-) Nope we're waiting :) |
| thomasquinn 32989 03.06.2010 06:13 |
Since this is the topic where it all started, I think it only appropriate to post this here: John S. Stuart, pittrek: Thank you very much for your selfless efforts to release these beautiful recordings to the general public. I am sure you have made numerous people very happy, and that can only ever be a good thing. Thank you! |
| rhyeking 11.09.2010 22:50 |
Did these clean recordings from John ever surface? (Got busy over the summer and forgot about them) If so, are they still posted somewhere? |
| tcc 12.09.2010 02:14 |
They had been posted in the Sharing The Music Announce section. If you scan the index, you can find them. |
| pittrek 12.09.2010 10:16 |
rhyeking wrote: Did these clean recordings from John ever surface? (Got busy over the summer and forgot about them) If so, are they still posted somewhere? Yes. sessions 6,5,and 4. Session 2 is planned too. Sessions 1 and 3 are available officially. The live concerts which were broadcast on BBC radio (Golders Green Hippodrome and Hammersmith Odeon 75) were also shared |
| rhyeking 12.09.2010 10:57 |
Thanks. Going to look now. |