QueenZone discussion #1224580

theCro wrote: ok fellows... i wanted to open this thread to clarify some things. first of, i'd like to know what do you think, DOES studio version of Hangman really exist or it's just a hoax... we all heard live version. but to me, if they didn't record studio version, or demo of it, it would be pointless, since they recorded Liar and all songs they did. They made demo and studio versions of those early songs... Questions are: Do you think studio version of Hangman exist or no? Did anyone from these Forums EVER hear snippet of full version (studio or demo) of Hangman? Also i'd like to know if Brian or anyone from the band EVER said that studio/demo version of Hangman exist or does not exitst... Please, explain your answers. Let's not ruin this topic..

Pim Derks wrote: Like anyone is going to pay money for a fund to save a track which they might never hear ;)

Soundfreak wrote: The source for an acetate is a tape, so I'm convinced that this acetate isn't the only existing recording of this track - if it really exists at all. But I do not expect it to be a kind of "holy grail" recording at all, otherwise it would have been released at some point like "Mad the Swine". Or the alternate "Kind of Magic". And although it's exciting to hear live recordings of "Hangman" it's obvious that it's not  their most inspired song....

vicspec wrote: No Queen Productions don't have the Hangman studio recording in their archives - that's why they can't release it like Mad the Swine.

Soundfreak wrote:

vicspec wrote: No Queen Productions don't have the Hangman studio recording in their archives - that's why they can't release it like Mad the Swine.

...and members of the band even said they never ever recorded that song. So "this is a tricky situation"....

theCro wrote: Do you think studio version of Hangman exist or no?

Did anyone from these Forums EVER hear snippet of full version (studio or demo) of Hangman?

Also i'd like to know if Brian or anyone from the band EVER said that studio/demo version of Hangman exist or does not exitst...

  pittrek wrote:  

      Soundfreak wrote:      

              vicspec wrote:       No Queen Productions don't have the Hangman studio recording in their archives - that's why they can't release it like Mad the Swine.      

...and members of the band even said they never ever recorded that song. So "this is a tricky situation"....

Exactly. The same "members " claimed that they never recorded a Queen version of Polar Bear. I have a question - do you remember what have you exactly done 37 years ago ?

theCro wrote: so remember all those threads people saying how QP does not listen to Queen fans, how they re-re-re-re-re-re-release the same all things all over again? Applause and thanks to John and everyone who shared all the rare things so far, but i do not understand you John why you would not like to share Hangman with us. i just don't understand that.

brENsKi wrote:

theCro wrote: so remember all those threads people saying how QP does not listen to Queen fans, how they re-re-re-re-re-re-release the same all things all over again? Applause and thanks to John and everyone who shared all the rare things so far, but i do not understand you John why you would not like to share Hangman with us. i just don't understand that.

grow up. John has said NO. stop questioning his reasons. He's not being unreasonable - in fact, from what has gone on before here (use the search button) I fully understand John saying NO. QPL "lost" things loaned to them. I think John even had something important get mislaid by the incompentent archivist. as for "sharing it" - if it's his one remaining "crown jewel" - why the fuck should he share it? he has shared so  much....and spent so many years investing his time and effort searching down remote and rare gems for his own pleasure...why should he pass it over? tell you what...why don't you go search down some of the remaining South Africa gigs? or some of the missing crazy tour tapes? and see how happy you would be to share

vicspec wrote: Thanks John. I didn't realise you had described the contents before butt after a search, I did indeed track down this response: Posted: 14 Sep 07, 08:52 I know nothing about the disc other than it came as part of a set of other 10" one-sided discs. As to dates etc... I am completely ignorant. Forgive me, but there is little more point guessing at the things I do not know. (I am neither being rude or evasive here - just perfectly honest - sorry!)The studio version does differ from the 'Young Nobles Of Rock' version in that it has a more heavier Led Zep/Black Sabbath 'feel'. (Think De Lane Lea 'Jesus', 'Liar' or 'Silver Salmon').I also think that in the 'Young Nobles...' version the lyrics have been 'fleshed out' - but that may well be down to the fact that one is a live version - while the other is not - so the live one may be more improvised on the night.Otherwise, struture, content and ideas are pretty much the same. -------------- Thanks for that post. Is it the only information you posted in terms of a description of the acetate's contents or is there more do you recall? Thanks.

  theCro wrote: but i do not understand you John why you would not like to share Hangman with us. i just don't understand that.

Mr. Britt wrote:

      theCro wrote:   but i do not understand you John why you would not like to share Hangman with us. i just don't understand that.  

Just accept the fact that John won't give the greedy bastards (like you and most people) his studio version of Hangman, and accept it.

Mr. Britt wrote: Once I had the nerve to tell some dope I had the full version of Face It Alone, and he flipped.

John S Stuart wrote:

Mr. Britt wrote: Once I had the nerve to tell some dope I had the full version of Face It Alone, and he flipped.

Bad mistake... Now, that you have leaked this information - you too will recieve all the "I want It now" or  "post us a snippet" messages. Sometimes we say things for good, then it backfires because some-one else runs with it in a completely different direction. Final word period: Hangman exists in the Queen vaults. Don't be so easily conned. To quote Paul Simon "...a man hear's what he want's to hear and disregards the rest..."

Mr. Britt wrote:

  theCro wrote: but i do not understand you John why you would not like to share Hangman with us. i just don't understand that.

Just accept the fact that John won't give the greedy bastards (like you and most people) his studio version of Hangman, and accept it.

  John S Stuart wrote:  

Mr. Britt wrote: Once I had the nerve to tell some dope I had the full version of Face It Alone, and he flipped.

Bad mistake... Now, that you have leaked this information - you too will recieve all the "I want It now" or  "post us a snippet" messages. Sometimes we say things for good, then it backfires because some-one else runs with it in a completely different direction. Final word period: Hangman exists in the Queen vaults. Don't be so easily conned. To quote Paul Simon "...a man hear's what he want's to hear and disregards the rest..."

Sebastian wrote: I mean, in a perfect world all of that would happen 

Sebastian wrote: By that perspective, they should also leak all multi-tracks, lest they ever lose some more (one of my favourite songs, All Dead, is reportedly missing from the archives). And while they're at it, they should also let everybody had access to their manuscripts, the songs' original tracksheets, Brian's deciduous teeth and Roger's pubic hair (after all, those who wanted to have Freddie's missed their chance, except maybe some former lovers). I mean, in a perfect world all of that would happen (except for the teeh/hair thing), but there are many things involved. If QP want to save Hangman and other things for a potential upcoming release (once their collaborations with alleged Fred's favourites or American Idol losers stop selling), I suppose they're willing to take the risk. Having those things leaked would compromise the success of a commercially profitable product. As for John, IIRC, he once referred to Hangman as his retirement or something like that. That's also understandable, and indeed, looking at the picture, it benefits way more to keep it to himself than to share it just to prove he's got it. After all, if he (or anybody else) had uploaded it to Torrent, YT, Napster or whatever (yes, which year am I in?) ten years ago, would it be so often commented about? Would it have its own thread with several replies? Would most people even care about it? Myself, while I don't regard Hangman as a masterpiece or something that's gonna change my life for ever, I still think highly of the song and am interested in knowing how it'd sound like once given the studio treatment. If I ever get to hear it, it'll be gr8. And hopefully, we will, eventually. If three years ago somebody'd time-travelled and told us we'd be able to play Roy Baker with the Bo Rhap multi's, I think 99.99% would've said 'the bloody f*ck are you talking about?'. So there you have it.

Panchgani wrote: A photo of a white label acetate?  What would that prove? theCro - I originally paid about $1100 for it.  If you like, I can sell it to you for $500 if you promise to never share a decent copy with Greg Brooks.  Therefore, if you intend to share it, you must promise to share it only as a 128 kbs mp3.