| Micrówave 21.03.2010 22:59 |
Specifically Flash Gordon. I am amazed that you can still buy this album new. Why is that? Most soundtracks last for about a year and then they're gone forever. Sure if it's a big movie, that changes things. But compare Flash to other popular soundtracks by established bands and it's horrible. Why aren't these soundtracks available anymore? Dune - Music by Toto The Keep - Music by Tangerine Dream Tron - 2 songs from Journey Highlander - (was there an OST album or just Magic?) I see copies of the Dune & Keep soundtracks go for excess of $100 on ebay. Those soundtracks were (musically) superior to Flash, yet there it is still on the e-shelves. What / Who determines when an album goes "out of print"? |
| Winter Land Man 22.03.2010 01:22 |
Record Companies choose when. In the USA for now, the Flash Gordon soundtrack is still bought and ordered in through record stores. Wal-Mart, I hear, won't order in albums now, as a lot of them have switched to private distributers who only sell either the biggest selling albums, or compilations, when it comes to classic rockers. Hollywood Records doesn't like putting albums out of print, especially when Queen is a big money maker, and they know they'd lose in the long run if Queen left the label. Queen is one of those bands that people just don't rush out and buy the albums... thus is why their releases in the USA, though they don't make a big impact (such as making the top 20), they do sell pretty steadily throughout time. Plus, a lot of people buy Flash Gordon just because it's a Queen product, and they want it in their collection, and there's never a lack of new Queen fans. I see Flash Gordon stocked at many record stores throughout New England. I was at Newbury Comics today, and they had Freddie Mercury's 'Lover Of Life, Singer Of Songs', there, as well as Flash Gordon. They also had a ton of Queen shit, and they also sell used CDs and new and used vinyl records. I might be selling off part of my collection of different CDs to them. They buy albums, singles... everything. |
| master marathon runner 22.03.2010 16:19 |
Please, 'Flash Gordon' is not 'horrible'. It's a soundtrack which fits the film very well, so , job done. Anyone remember the syncronised swimming team from the 1984 Los Angeles olympics that did their 'set' to 'The Kiss' from F.G.? I was amazed to hear Freddies 'Ooo ooo ooo ooo's' ringing out in the middle of the coverage and it fitted beautifully. Master Marathon Runner |
| sexmachine 22.03.2010 17:01 |
master marathon runner wrote: Please, 'Flash Gordon' is not 'horrible'. It's a soundtrack which fits the film very well, so , job done. Anyone remember the syncronised swimming team from the 1984 Los Angeles olympics that did their 'set' to 'The Kiss' from F.G.? I was amazed to hear Freddies 'Ooo ooo ooo ooo's' ringing out in the middle of the coverage and it fitted beautifully. Master Marathon Runner would love to see a video of that! |
| mandocello 22.03.2010 17:50 |
Microwave, you're actually questioning why a movie soundtrack by Toto is no longer in print?! |
| Winter Land Man 22.03.2010 22:36 |
master marathon runner wrote: Please, 'Flash Gordon' is not 'horrible'. It's a soundtrack which fits the film very well, so , job done. Anyone remember the syncronised swimming team from the 1984 Los Angeles olympics that did their 'set' to 'The Kiss' from F.G.? I was amazed to hear Freddies 'Ooo ooo ooo ooo's' ringing out in the middle of the coverage and it fitted beautifully. Master Marathon Runner The Kiss is my favorite song from the Flash Gordon album. |
| *goodco* 29.03.2010 14:32 |
'Highlander' never had an official soundtrack release. There are some boots that are a hodgepodge of the three movies, with symphonic and AKOM official releases (and 'New York') thrown in to make them seem 'special. Don't waste your time or money. |
| deleted user 08.04.2010 18:52 |
This soundtrack album WAS by "QUEEN" and actually an official album realease (Queen did the entire soundtrack minus a few orchestral peaces) - thats the reason. And a band like Queen never gets out of print (see Pink Floyd, The Stones, etc. etc.) |
| pittrek 09.04.2010 01:43 |
Blue Roses Unlimited wrote:The Kiss is my favorite Please don't let skip see this |
| Micrówave 12.04.2010 13:09 |
mandocello wrote: Microwave, you're actually questioning why a movie soundtrack by Toto is no longer in print?! No, I was using them as an example of other band soundtracks. But, now that you bring it up, let's break it down. Point One Steve Lukather is a better guitarist than Brian May. Way more recordings of him both with Toto and others. I don't see Larry Carlton asking Brian to join him on tour. I don't know any bands that Brian May carried without actually being in the band (The Tubes). Michael Jackson didn't (1) ask Brian to be his band for the Thriller album or (2) take his guitar work over Eddie Van Halen's. Jeff Porcaro was a better drummer than Roger Taylor. No explanation needed. Everybody knows that. Now, listen to Simon Phillips. Toto has the best drummers. David Paich is a hit machine. Boz Scaggs knew this before Toto started recording their first album. Queen didn't use much keyboard work, but Dave could play miles around Freddie. I do give the edge to John Deacon, though. Freddie was obviously the best, but Bobby Kimball could hit his notes. He couldn't command a crowd like Freddie could, but he can sure sing. Besides Toto, he's in a band with Tony Kaye singing the hits of Toto and Yes. That's some pretty demanding Lead Vocals. Point Two Dune and Flash are both Sci Fi movies. These usually attract the dorks, who buy the costumes, laser guns, and yes, even the soundtracks. Dune was waaaaaayyyyyy bigger than Flash. Flash died in the sixties, but was revived in cheese form for the Flash Gordon movie. It came out during the Star Wars trilogy. Personally, I love Flash for the cheese factor. I think it was done quite well. I have a tough time sitting thru Dune. There's a lot going on there. And there's two more unreleased hours of footage that David Lynch is holding onto. So I kinda consider these movies very parallel. Dune's soundtrack has been out of print for 25 years!!! I think the Legally Blonde 2 soundtrack had more shelf life!!!! |
| mandocello 13.04.2010 09:39 |
Microwave wrote: {Point One Steve Lukather is a better guitarist than Brian May. Way more recordings of him both with Toto and others. I don't see Larry Carlton asking Brian to join him on tour. I don't know any bands that Brian May carried without actually being in the band (The Tubes). Michael Jackson didn't (1) ask Brian to be his band for the Thriller album or (2) take his guitar work over Eddie Van Halen's. Jeff Porcaro was a better drummer than Roger Taylor. No explanation needed. Everybody knows that. Now, listen to Simon Phillips. Toto has the best drummers. David Paich is a hit machine. Boz Scaggs knew this before Toto started recording their first album. Queen didn't use much keyboard work, but Dave could play miles around Freddie. I do give the edge to John Deacon, though. Freddie was obviously the best, but Bobby Kimball could hit his notes. He couldn't command a crowd like Freddie could, but he can sure sing. Besides Toto, he's in a band with Tony Kaye singing the hits of Toto and Yes. That's some pretty demanding Lead Vocals.} I really hope you're kidding, but I have a feeling you're not. You can dissect individual virtuosity all you want, but are you really comparing the band Queen to the band Toto? "David Paich is a hit machine." So what exactly would Queen be compared to the almighty DP? One of these bands were innovators and one wasn't. One of these bands had a guitarist that you could identify with your ears instantly. One of these bands had a lead vocalist that you could identify with your ears instantly. One of these bands had songs and entire albums that stood out from everyone else. I''ll leave it to you to figure it out. |
| Micrówave 15.04.2010 20:09 |
"David Paich is a hit machine." So what exactly would Queen be compared to the almighty DP? DAVID PAICH HAD MORE #1 HITS One of these bands were innovators and one wasn't. HMM, I THINK THEY BOTH ARE One of these bands had a guitarist that you could identify with your ears instantly. STEVE LUKATHER? YES I KNOW. I KNEW IT WAS HE WHEN I FIRST HEARD THE TUBES' SHE'S A BEAUTY... AND HE WASN'T EVEN PART OF THE BAND!!! BRIAN'S GOT A VERY DISTINCT TONE AS WELL. BUT BRIAN USES HARMONIZERS AND DELAYS TO GET THAT SOUND. STEVE PLUGS INTO HIS AMP AND PLAYS. One of these bands had a lead vocalist that you could identify with your ears instantly. TOTO HAD THREE. BOBBY KIMBALL IS GREATNESS. DAVID PAICH WAS THE BARITONE, AS HEARD IN THE SONG AFRICA. JOSEPH WILLIAMS WAS THE HIGHEST PITCH OF ALL THREE. QUEEN ONLY HAD ONE LEAD VOCALIST. ANYONE WHO CALLS ROGER OR BRIAN A LEAD VOCALIST IS MERELY PITYING THEM. THEY CAN'T CARRY A BAND, LET ALONE A FULL ALBUM. One of these bands had songs and entire albums that stood out from everyone else. TOTO IV WAS PRETTY DARN GOOD. AFRICA, ROSANNA, I WON'T HOLD YOU BACK WERE ALL TOP TEN SINGLES. WHAT ALBUM DID QUEEN RELEASE THAT HAD THREE TOP TEN SINGLES ON IT? TOTO'S FIRST ALBUM HAD TWO MAJOR HITS, GEORGY PORGY AND HOLD THE LINE. I DON'T BELIEVE QUEEN CRACKED THE TOP SINGLES LIST WITH THEIR FIRST (OR SECOND) ALBUM. "I'll leave it to you to figure it out. " I DO HAVE A LOT MORE QUEEN CDs THAN TOTO. YES, I LIKE QUEEN MORE, BUT MANY BANDS HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS TO OFFER. I DOUBT THAT FLASH GORDON IS STILL IN PRINT BECAUSE "QUEEN IS THE BEST BAND IN THE WHOLE WORLD". |
| mandocello 15.04.2010 20:57 |
You're using those angry, all caps responses. Mr. Brooks? |
| Winter Land Man 15.04.2010 21:38 |
C'mon, guys, there's no need to yell in typing. Mike Love, Not War! |
| Micrówave 16.04.2010 13:58 |
Sorry guys. No, I wasn't yell-typing. Apparently the "QUOTE" function doesn't work anymore, so I was just typing my replies to your queries. Still trying to figure out the original answer to the original topic. Wasn't trying to compare Queen to Toto or Tangerine Dream. So far, the only answer I can ascertain is that Queen's Hollywood contract has kept Flash Gordon in print. Is that possible? Someone said a band like Queen never goes out of print. Actually, that's not true. Hot Space (Elektra) went out of print prior to the Hollywood contract. |
| danwhite89 18.04.2010 20:31 |
Has anyone ever actually stuck the Flash Gordon soundtrack on and listened to it? I mean aye it's Queen and all that but it doesn't mean you have to like it. FG soundtrack sounds like the kind of thing Ross from Friends played during his ill-fated music career. |
| tcc 18.04.2010 23:13 |
danwhite89 wrote: Has anyone ever actually stuck the Flash Gordon soundtrack on and listened to it? I mean aye it's Queen and all that but it doesn't mean you have to like it. FG soundtrack sounds like the kind of thing Ross from Friends played during his ill-fated music career. Yes I have. I must admit that the first time I heard it, it sounded disjointed and the tracks were quite short, meaning that before it sinks in, the music is finished. However, after watching the DVD of the movie, I appreciate the sound tracks better, especially the track Football Fight. The sound effects in the music were in line with the action in the movie. My conclusion was that the four of them were really very good and creative in composing those sound tracks. So, once in a while, when I have finished my rounds of the albums, I will listen to the Flash Gordon sound track. |
| Pingfah 21.04.2010 07:48 |
It is in print because it is an official Queen album, what more could one possibly need to know? |
| Amazon 21.04.2010 11:29 |
Micrówave wrote:"Steve Lukather is a better guitarist than Brian May. Way more recordings of him both with Toto and others. I don't see Larry Carlton asking Brian to join him on tour. I don't know any bands that Brian May carried without actually being in the band (The Tubes). Michael Jackson didn't (1) ask Brian to be his band for the Thriller album or (2) take his guitar work over Eddie Van Halen's." How does the number of recordings featuring Lukather make him a better guitarist than Brian. During his lifetime, Jimi Hendrix released just four original recordings, including three studio albums, except he's generally regarded as the greatest guitarist of all time. Brian's not having carried a group is also irrelevent. Queen arguably wasn't a guitar-based group, and that has nothing to do with Brian's talents a a guitarist. Plus, if you look at guitarists who have carried groups on their own; Eddie Van Halen, for example, well I think that Brian is better. Finally, what does Michael Jackson have to do with it? He also didn't ask Carlos Santana, Frank Zappa, Jeff Beck (for Thriller that is), Eric Clapton, David Gilmour etc... The fact the he didn't ask Brian is irrelevent. I hate to tell you, but you can't measure the quality of a guitarist simply by whether they worked with this person or not. Should we dismiss Beck because he never worked with Freddie? You also mention Larry Carlton, well, again, considering that Carlton (not a huge fan) hasn't worked with plenty of great guitarists, that doesn't mean much. Even if he and/or Michael Jackson did work with every great guitarist, save for Brian, I don't think that you can really determine the talent of a musician by whom they worked with. Anyway, I think that Brian is a vastly superior guitarist to Lukather, and I don't think that the reasons you provided are all that convincing. |
| mandocello 21.04.2010 13:20 |
Microwave is also pretty ignorant about what he thinks Lukather and Brian use to get their sounds. Saying that Lukather "plugs straight into the amp" is incredibly incorrect. Steve Lukather was probably Bob Bradshaw's favorite customer in the 1980's - I'm assuming the Micro Man knows who Mr. Bradshaw is, of course. Then he believes hat Brian only has a unique sound due to delays and harmonizers. Jeez, watch the damn Star Licks video, would you? |
| ParisNair 22.04.2010 14:01 |
danwhite89 wrote: Has anyone ever actually stuck the Flash Gordon soundtrack on and listened to it? I mean aye it's Queen and all that but it doesn't mean you have to like it. FG soundtrack sounds like the kind of thing Ross from Friends played during his ill-fated music career. Yes I have, many times. "The Hero" was a favorite at one point of time and the whole had a novelty factor to it, for me. Its beeb a while though. And I don't see myself listening to it any time soon. |
| Micrówave 22.04.2010 17:20 |
Microwave is also pretty ignorant about what he thinks Lukather and Brian use to get their sounds. No, I'm not. Since joining Larry Carlton on tour, Steve no longer uses all those 80s effects. I was fortunate enough to see two of the Larry/Steve shows and saw a super guitarist get back to his roots. Also, your guys' stupid little VoteNumberOne website that you all participated in took Steve over Brian. Besides Queen's albums, what has Brian done to garner any attention from the musical community? The Brian May Band was/is a joke. The duet with Meat Loaf sold 62 copies. Maybe you think the Anita stuff is just amazing... I haven't heard it, so I'm pretty ignorant there. Since 1991, Brian May hasn't done a damn thing except recycle... with one exception. He recorded ONE song with the Parker and must have sent it right back. But, Mondo, what does this have to do with the original topic? All you want to do is have a Queen - Toto Pissing Contest. Here's 10 guitarists who have done far more with their guitars that you can piss on (if you'd like). Les Paul Jimi Hendrix Terry Kath Larry Carlton John McLaughlin Steve Lukather Jimmy Page Steve Howe Carlos Santana Michael Hedges You can hear all these guitarists "mature" on their recordings. Brian never got better. The solo on Killer Queen and Crazy Little Thing sound like they could have been recorded at the same time. All those guys set new molds for future guitar players. Page was probably the most inept of those 10, but he created simple riffs that became the staple for young rock guitarists. Hedges probably would have done far more, but we were only lucky to get 6 albums before he passed. Listen to what you think is Brian's tastiest solo. You pick. I think it's Back Chat. Then listen to Kid Charlemagne. You'll either hear it right off or never understand what I'm talking about. Players know. |
| Micrówave 22.04.2010 17:40 |
You also mention Larry Carlton, well, again, considering that Carlton (not a huge fan) hasn't worked with plenty of great guitarists, that doesn't mean much. Somebody doesn't know too much about 70s and 80s music. Carlton worked with just about everybody. 3 Grammies. How many did Brian or Queen get? Oh yeah, none. One of those Grammies he won with Steve Lukather. Uncanny. Steely Dan, Joni Mitchell, Billy Joel, Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones, The Four Tops, are a few of the people he's recorded with. Oh look, there's Michael Jackson again!!! Michael knew enough to sing a couple of songs with Freddie, so he obviously knew who Brian was. He just never felt the need to use him. We'll never know why, but I can assume, can't I? Brian recorded with Meat Loaf and a home tape with Eddie Van Halen and played live with Def Leppard. Wow. And FYI, Queen WAS a guitar driven band. See Queen I, Queen II, Sheer Heart Attack, etc. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 22.04.2010 23:11 |
Kid Charlemaigne is an amazing solo, Microwave. But so is It's Late, which we'll never know if Larry Carlton had in him musically. I don't think Brian ever professed his skill as a guitarist once. He is a consummate musician, in a band where songs ruled, a writer first, guitarist second. I'd hazard a guess that WWRY is arguably the most recognizable, or played song in rock history. BoRhap is frequently listed as the greatest rock song ever. Brian's guitar harmonies are utterly unique, and influential in the sense that he is inimitable. If he couldn't play as well as the guy in Toto (fantastic talent, utterly uninspiring emotionally to my ears) or Larry Carlton, so be it. I'd hazard a guess there aren't amny guitarists who would rather have their own careers over Brian's. And to finish, Brian tapped, played great straight ahead solos without harmonies (Sweet Lady, TYMD, Stone Cold Crazy) and played some sweet acoustic to boot. He's not some hack, he's the great Brian May. And that man could play, and people loved him. Lots of guys on YouTube are "better" guitarists than Brian, but Brian is 1000 times the writer than Lukather and Carlton so I guess it depends what you like. |
| Micrówave 23.04.2010 00:16 |
Then why the need for Steve Howe? Brian said it was because Steve could do things with an acoustic guitar that he couldn't. So he was just being nice? Doubt it. He nailed it on the head. Brian's acoustic work was very good. I thought he played Love Of My Life quite brilliantly. But he knew his limitations. He just decided to work with what he had. You're comparing those solos to Kid Charlemagne? Really? Obviously, a Queen Fan board is going to be 95% impartial to anything Brian does. I was trying to look at it from a bigger picture. If you're thinking Carlton or Luke couldn't hold Brian's strap, then you just don't know those two well enough. Rosanna was an uninspiring solo? Try playing it... or even trying to learn it. In no way do I think Brian sucks. He was a true virtuoso, but only for a very short period. The last 20 years have not seen anything really worthwhile from Brian. I don't know why. Perhaps the challenge left as Freddie's last days were coming. I think Freddie really pushed those guys to play their best. When the reigns were handed to Brian and Roger, that went out the door. But is this really why Flash Gordon is still available? Because it's a Queen Album or because Brian May played on it? Exactly how is this charting? Amazon.com says Flash Gordon's sales rank is #71,840. Sister Act 2's rank is #2776 (also a Hollywood Records title). Rocky III is at #45,240. It's not because it's still selling. More people (still) want to hear Eye Of The Tiger... and that's just sad. |
| Micrówave 23.04.2010 00:38 |
Let me stop and say to those replying that I'm not trying to personally attack you or incite anger. So please, don't take it so personally. Of course, if you want to call me names and such, so be it. I was just trying to get an intellegent conversation going and see if someone knew something about how the record business works. Why this became a Brian May vs The World thread is beyond me. I don't think Flash is in print because Brian May played on it. There are plenty of other bands that people feel the same way for. That doen't keep an obscure record in print. I thought Dune and The Keep were fair comparisons, since they're in the same genre and time frame as Flash's release. I bet you people who dress up like Chewbacca (Jake, Thomas Quinn, P_G) would find Dune a much superior film to Flash. The Keep was one of Michael Mann's first films and had a stellar cast, so it's got quite a cult following as well. Somehow that got translated into Steve Lukather's inferiority to Brian May. For that, I apologize, I wasn't trying to do that. |
| Amazon 23.04.2010 05:27 |
Micrówave wrote:"Somebody doesn't know too much about 70s and 80s music. Carlton worked with just about everybody." Uh, I know plenty about 70/80's music. He did NOT work with 'just about everybody', and even if he did (which he did not), it doesn't mean anything. As I said before, you can not measure the quality of a musician based on whom they worked with. "3 Grammies. How many did Brian or Queen get? Oh yeah, none." Oh, please. Who cares how many Grammies Queen won. That's like saying that Paul Haggis's Crash is a better film than Citizen Kane, because Crash won more Oscars, including Best Picture. Awards are irrelevent. Plus, if you want to talk about awards, then tell me how many Grammies Hendrix won? How about The Who? The Rolling Stones? The Doors? "Steely Dan, Joni Mitchell, Billy Joel, Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones, The Four Tops, are a few of the people he's recorded with. Oh look, there's Michael Jackson again!!!" Again, all irrelevent. Not only does it not matter whom he did or did not work with, but if you do want to talk about people he worked with, I can talk about people he did not work with. Furthermore, what does it matter anyway? I love Steely Dan, but my view of them has nothing to do with whom they've recorded with. "Michael knew enough to sing a couple of songs with Freddie, so he obviously knew who Brian was. He just never felt the need to use him. We'll never know why, but I can assume, can't I?" You can assume, but your assumption is irrelevent. Let's say that Michael regarded Brian as a hack. Does that matter? Are you seriously suggesting that because one man wasn't a big fan of Brian, then therefore Brian was't a great guitarist? I love Michael Jackson, I think he was a genius, but his opinion was no more important than that of anyone else, and what he thought of Brian does not concern me in the slightest. The truth is, we will never know why Michael did not work with Brian (and there is no evidence to suggest that your assumption is valid), but even if your assumption is correct, since when does working with Michael Jackson, or anyone else, determine the worth of someone? Freddie never worked with George Clinton or Axl Rose or Domingo. It's irrelevent. One last comment; Michael did work with Eddie Van Halen and I think that Brian is a vastly superior guitarist. "Brian recorded with Meat Loaf and a home tape with Eddie Van Halen and played live with Def Leppard. Wow." Interesting. So you are someone whose opinions of musicians relates directly to who they worked with and how many awards they've won? Surely, you could make your own judgement? Personally, I prefer that Brian is doing what he enjoys rather than working with people merely to impress people like you. "And FYI, Queen WAS a guitar driven band. See Queen I, Queen II, Sheer Heart Attack, etc." Sorry, I disagree. I think they were a vocal-driven band, or at least they became one with SHA onwards. Regardless, my point was that if you take groups which are guitar-focused, well, IMO Brian was a superior guitarist to many of these guitarists; Eddie Van Halen, Angus Young, Ritchie Blackmore etc... |
| mandocello 23.04.2010 10:17 |
Micro Man, I'm sorry that Flash Gordon is still in print. It is quite possibly the one Queen album I never, ever listen to - probably because the film is not exactly one to remember. Tell you what - if you get up a petition to put the ToeToe soundtrack back in print, I'll sign it. Heck, if you can send it to the States, I'll even have an attorney notarize it for you. |
| Micrówave 23.04.2010 15:51 |
Mando, if it were still available, I'd buy you a Dune soundtrack. It's a much better soundtrack. I'll see if Dorothy or the Tin Man can fire up that petition. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 24.04.2010 13:02 |
"And FYI, Queen WAS a guitar driven band. See Queen I, Queen II, Sheer Heart Attack, etc." Debatable. Compared to say VH or AC/DC, very little Queen music was guitar driven. ! and !!, yes. SHA? Of 13 tracks, I'd call only BR, NIH and SCC "guitar driven." Tenement Funster and Misfire are acoustic numbers written by others and along with the acoustic on She Makes Me, aren't guitar driven in the Brian May style. ANATO? IILWMC, Sweet Lady, Prophet's Song and GSTQ. Again, '39 is acoustic and not Brian May being Brian May. ADATR? TYMD and White Man. Long Away and Drowse are not guitar driven in the Brian May style. NOTW? Sleeping and It's Late. SHA, FFTI were both Roger songs unlike Brian's usual playing as Roger played most of them. Who needs you is guitar unlike the Brian May style. And guitars slowly disappeared after Jazz. I'd call Queen a song band, with guitar playing a big role when needed. VH, AC/DC, Jimi Hendrix, SRV, Boston etc. were guitar driven bands/acts, Queen weren't. |
| Micrówave 24.04.2010 19:06 |
When I say guitar driven, I mean both electric and acoustic. The piano was only a snippet on most songs until the guitars took over... Killer Queen, Bohemian, etc. |
| DanQueen2008 14.07.2010 11:50 |
Flash Gordon is not out of print because although it is a soundtrack it is also a whole Queen album and is in Queen's back catalouge. Whereas other soundtracks belong the the owner of the movie. Other albums that are out of print are all of The Cross' albums unfortunately. |
| rhyeking 14.07.2010 14:01 |
Dan is exactly right. Parlophone (until this year) in the UK and Hollywood Records (since 1991) in the US are under contract to release Queen's entire album catalogue, which includes Flash Gordon. Queen Productions have worked hard keeping the band's work in the fold and rarely do they let that work remain owned by an outside company for very long (see the 1981 Montreal concert as an example). Other bands have either not been so diligent, been mis-managed, no longer exist as an entity with any say as to their released material, or they just don't care. For the record, Queen's Flash Gordon soundtrack album is NOT the only soundtrack available for that film. A Promo CD was released in June of 2000 with 60 minutes of Howard Blake's orchestral score. Here's a link: link According to interviews with Blake, he wrote his score to augment the work Queen did and did collaborate with Freddie and Brian. Also, I believe Queen or film company did plan to release a Highlander soundtrack, then Queen decided to make an album out of the material. Around the Video Hits II era, Brian mentions that he'd like to get together with Michael Kamen and produce a genuine Highlander Soundtrack album, which would probably have given us a few alternate versions of the songs we know and things like "New York, New York". Sadly, Kamen died a short time later, so that's probably not going to happen. |
| rhyeking 14.07.2010 15:17 |
Also, here's a quote from Howard Blake's own website: ***** Notes Director Mike Hodges, producer Dino de Laurentiis Score written in collaboration with Brian May and Freddie Mercury of 'Queen'. Composer's note: 'I was brought in in a crisis situation when it was found that the composer nominated by 'Queen' had for some reason been unable to complete 'more than one minute' of a score for the film. I was summoned to a meeting at CTS Wembley by sound recordist John Richards and Brendan Cahill head of music for Universal Studios Hollywood. The RPO had been booked for two weeks and started recording the day before but had nothing else to play. I said it would take at least 4 weeks to write the amount of music required, possibly 90 minutes. After ferocious negotiations with my agent Liz Keys at London Management I began work, but the time gradually whittled down to 10 days and the last 4 days of that I didn't sleep. An added complication was to include various guitar phrases and the song 'Flash' within my large-scale score for 80-piece orchestra. Somehow I finished it and conducted the 3 days of recording sessions, but afterwards I went back to my house in Mortlake and collapsed exhausted. My wife had left the house with the 2 children at the end of my first writing day, bothered by endless phone calls and courier bikes. She returned on the Saturday expecting me to have left for France on the Thursday. In fact I had been asleep for 3 days. She called a doctor who injected me with something to wake me up. He said it was possible I would never have woken up at all, since I was suffering from chronic bronchitis due to total exhaustion! Anyway I recovered and I and everybody else were pleased with the score. Dubbing sessions began and I later discovered that much of my score had been replaced with synthesized music, myself having demonstrated how to handle it. A disappointment. However, my relations with the members of Queen were always cordial. Brian May came over one day and hummed an idea for an 'overture'. As he did so I jotted it down on some manuscript paper and then played it back on the piano, which really startled him. They all came along to the orchestral recordings and seemed fascinated. I remember Freddie Mercury singing the idea of 'Ride to Arboria' in his high falsetto and I showed him how I could expand it into the orchestral section now on the film, with which he seemed very pleased. Whilst scoring I had cassettes of guitar ideas from Brian, in particular the slow 'falling-chord' sequence. I wrote this out into my score at one point and surrounded it with big orchestral colour. When I came to the recording I had Brian's solo guitar on headphones and conducted the orchestra in synch. around it. Many months later Brian came over and we listened to the finished album.' **** |
| NOTWMEDDLE 20.07.2010 00:10 |
Speaking of soundtrack albums from bands, Pink Floyd's soundtrack albums to the Barbet Schroder directed films More and La Vallee (a/k/a the Obscured by Clouds album) are still available on CD. In fact, Obscured by Clouds was the link from Meddle to Dark Side of the Moon and first Pink Floyd album to crack the US Top 50 reaching #46 in the summer of 1972. Back on topic, the soundtrack to Flash Gordon is a great album. I still remember buying the CD at Strawberries Records and Tapes in Brockton, MA in July of 1992. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 20.07.2010 00:25 |
Micrówave wrote: Microwave is also pretty ignorant about what he thinks Lukather and Brian use to get their sounds. No, I'm not. Since joining Larry Carlton on tour, Steve no longer uses all those 80s effects. I was fortunate enough to see two of the Larry/Steve shows and saw a super guitarist get back to his roots. Also, your guys' stupid little VoteNumberOne website that you all participated in took Steve over Brian. Besides Queen's albums, what has Brian done to garner any attention from the musical community? The Brian May Band was/is a joke. The duet with Meat Loaf sold 62 copies. Maybe you think the Anita stuff is just amazing... I haven't heard it, so I'm pretty ignorant there. Since 1991, Brian May hasn't done a damn thing except recycle... with one exception. He recorded ONE song with the Parker and must have sent it right back. But, Mondo, what does this have to do with the original topic? All you want to do is have a Queen - Toto Pissing Contest. Here's 10 guitarists who have done far more with their guitars that you can piss on (if you'd like). Les Paul Jimi Hendrix Terry Kath Larry Carlton John McLaughlin Steve Lukather Jimmy Page Steve Howe Carlos Santana Michael Hedges You can hear all these guitarists "mature" on their recordings. Brian never got better. The solo on Killer Queen and Crazy Little Thing sound like they could have been recorded at the same time. All those guys set new molds for future guitar players. Page was probably the most inept of those 10, but he created simple riffs that became the staple for young rock guitarists. Hedges probably would have done far more, but we were only lucky to get 6 albums before he passed. Listen to what you think is Brian's tastiest solo. You pick. I think it's Back Chat. Then listen to Kid Charlemagne. You'll either hear it right off or never understand what I'm talking about. Players know. Carlos Santana sounds like I'm in Tijuana eating tacos sitting next to Eddie Guerrero and Speedy Gonzales. Terry Kath and Jimi Hendrix both destroyed their skills with all the drugs they comsumed. Jimmy Page lost his touch thanks to heroin. John McLaughlin, BORING! Steve Howe, self indulgng I think David Gilmour got better as he got older. He may not have had fast fingers but could do more with the Stratocaster My list of excellent guitarists: David Gilmour (his tone and sound developed each time a Pink Floyd and/or solo album came out and not just restricted to Fender Stratocasters but also Telecasters (Dogs, No Way, Run Like Hell and many early Floyd recordings up to Ummagumma), Gibson Les Pauls (Another Brick, Poles Apart, Great Day For Freedom, This Heaven, A Pocketful of Stones), Gretsch Duo-Jet, Steinberger (on Momentary Lapse), steel guitars and so on) Daryl Stuermer (his playing got better on each Genesis and/or Phil Collins tour and on the last Genesis tour, his solos on "Firth of Fifth" and "Los Endos" were better than the way he played them live in the 1980s) Alex Lifeson Martin Barre (he experimented with different guitars and tones, was a Gibson Les Paul/SG user then went to Hamer and now Paul Reed Smith) Don Felder Tony Iommi Mike Rutherford (he has done some great riffs with oddball tunings on the guitar) Steve Hackett Also your choices of drummer stink! Simon Phillips is a wunderkind. Jeff Porcaro was not bad. Steve Gadd, overrated. I still prefer Barriemore Barlow and/or Mark Craney to some of your picks. You probably like that Manu Katche wannabe punk Carter Beauford. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 20.07.2010 00:31 |
Micrówave wrote: Mando, if it were still available, I'd buy you a Dune soundtrack. It's a much better soundtrack. I'll see if Dorothy or the Tin Man can fire up that petition. Michael Jackson is dead and I'm GLAD! That robotic fool had a bad life because of an abusive money hungry father wo saw nothing but dollar signs. He took his own life. He committed suicide and I have no compassion nor remorse for him. Steve Lukather pales in comparison to David Gilmour. Britney Spears won a F*CKING GRAMMY, Grammies are useless. Pink Floyd didn't win any until 1995 for "Marooned" an instrumental. You probably look like that FAT NERD FATHER on that lame*ss show Family Guy. You run your mouth "you think that was bad, remember the time Wacko Jacko did this". Steely Dan BORING! |
| NOTWMEDDLE 20.07.2010 00:55 |
Micrówave wrote: "David Paich is a hit machine." So what exactly would Queen be compared to the almighty DP? DAVID PAICH HAD MORE #1 HITS One of these bands were innovators and one wasn't. HMM, I THINK THEY BOTH ARE One of these bands had a guitarist that you could identify with your ears instantly. STEVE LUKATHER? YES I KNOW. I KNEW IT WAS HE WHEN I FIRST HEARD THE TUBES' SHE'S A BEAUTY... AND HE WASN'T EVEN PART OF THE BAND!!! BRIAN'S GOT A VERY DISTINCT TONE AS WELL. BUT BRIAN USES HARMONIZERS AND DELAYS TO GET THAT SOUND. STEVE PLUGS INTO HIS AMP AND PLAYS. One of these bands had a lead vocalist that you could identify with your ears instantly. TOTO HAD THREE. BOBBY KIMBALL IS GREATNESS. DAVID PAICH WAS THE BARITONE, AS HEARD IN THE SONG AFRICA. JOSEPH WILLIAMS WAS THE HIGHEST PITCH OF ALL THREE. QUEEN ONLY HAD ONE LEAD VOCALIST. ANYONE WHO CALLS ROGER OR BRIAN A LEAD VOCALIST IS MERELY PITYING THEM. THEY CAN'T CARRY A BAND, LET ALONE A FULL ALBUM. One of these bands had songs and entire albums that stood out from everyone else. TOTO IV WAS PRETTY DARN GOOD. AFRICA, ROSANNA, I WON'T HOLD YOU BACK WERE ALL TOP TEN SINGLES. WHAT ALBUM DID QUEEN RELEASE THAT HAD THREE TOP TEN SINGLES ON IT? TOTO'S FIRST ALBUM HAD TWO MAJOR HITS, GEORGY PORGY AND HOLD THE LINE. I DON'T BELIEVE QUEEN CRACKED THE TOP SINGLES LIST WITH THEIR FIRST (OR SECOND) ALBUM. "I'll leave it to you to figure it out. " I DO HAVE A LOT MORE QUEEN CDs THAN TOTO. YES, I LIKE QUEEN MORE, BUT MANY BANDS HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS TO OFFER. I DOUBT THAT FLASH GORDON IS STILL IN PRINT BECAUSE "QUEEN IS THE BEST BAND IN THE WHOLE WORLD". Flash Gordon went Gold here in the US. Pink Floyd had quite a few singers in the band. David Gilmour predominantly after Syd Barrett sadly went apesh*t and has the best vocal range of all members. Rick Wright had the quiet, English, soothing voice (God rest his soul) and sang a few tunes per album up to Dark Side then resurrected on The Division Bell. Then of course Roger Waters who could sing quiet songs with ease (one lead vocal or two per album starting with Saucerful up to Wish You Were Here). Then after he quit smoking in 1975, he went for the whole hog (pardon the pun) and started to sing higher than his normal range starting with Animals then split The Wall vocal duties 50/50 with Gilmour and peaked on The Final Cut. Then after Roger left Floyd, years of a combo of screaming (despite the fact he gave up smoking in '75) and thinking he was Robert Plant on Pros and Cons eventually led to his demise in singing and having to mime high sections of songs now in concert sadly. Jeff Porcaro I give edge to in drums over Nick Mason (Jeff has worked with everyone). In fact, Jeff played drums on "Mother" as Nick couldn't play the drum beat proper. Jeff's dad Joe did the snare on "Bring the Boys Back Home". Played on Gilmour's About Face and Roger's Amused to Death and sessions for Don Henley, Chicago and so on. Steve Lukather and David Gilmour, tough call. Lukather has done sessions for everyone too. He did the solo on "I Love L.A." from Randy Newman and also the famed solo on Chicago's "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" and played on Chicago 17. Gilmour has done guest spots on many albums for many artists as well (everyone from Paul McCartney to Elton John to Warren Zevon to Peter Cetera, I can go on). Steve did own Syd Barrett I have to admit. Paich and Rick Wright are both similar in keyboard textures. Toto's bass players owned Roger Waters though Roger did have his moments. |
| andreas_mercury 20.07.2010 05:49 |
too band of a fucking idiot |
| rhyeking 20.07.2010 09:50 |
Best Guitarists...? No list is complete without Mike Oldfield somewhere near the top. He is to guitar playing what Neil Peart is to drumming! |
| Holly2003 20.07.2010 11:00 |
Micrówave wrote: Microwave is also pretty ignorant about what he thinks Lukather and Brian use to get their sounds. No, I'm not. Since joining Larry Carlton on tour, Steve no longer uses all those 80s effects. I was fortunate enough to see two of the Larry/Steve shows and saw a super guitarist get back to his roots. Also, your guys' stupid little VoteNumberOne website that you all participated in took Steve over Brian. Besides Queen's albums, what has Brian done to garner any attention from the musical community? The Brian May Band was/is a joke. The duet with Meat Loaf sold 62 copies. Maybe you think the Anita stuff is just amazing... I haven't heard it, so I'm pretty ignorant there. Since 1991, Brian May hasn't done a damn thing except recycle... with one exception. He recorded ONE song with the Parker and must have sent it right back. But, Mondo, what does this have to do with the original topic? All you want to do is have a Queen - Toto Pissing Contest. Here's 10 guitarists who have done far more with their guitars that you can piss on (if you'd like). Les Paul Jimi Hendrix Terry Kath Larry Carlton John McLaughlin Steve Lukather Jimmy Page Steve Howe Carlos Santana Michael Hedges You can hear all these guitarists "mature" on their recordings. Brian never got better. The solo on Killer Queen and Crazy Little Thing sound like they could have been recorded at the same time. All those guys set new molds for future guitar players. Page was probably the most inept of those 10, but he created simple riffs that became the staple for young rock guitarists. Hedges probably would have done far more, but we were only lucky to get 6 albums before he passed. Listen to what you think is Brian's tastiest solo. You pick. I think it's Back Chat. Then listen to Kid Charlemagne. You'll either hear it right off or never understand what I'm talking about. Players know. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Two words: Good Company. If Brian did nothing else, this would still be regarded as a masterpiece. |
| Micrówave 23.07.2010 03:28 |
A masterpiece? Well, doesn't a song have to be pretty well known to be a "masterpiece"? Probably few outside the Queen Fan base know about this song. If they want to hear a guitarist make non-traditional sound using a guitar, they can plug in Robert Fripp and say 21st Century Schizoid Man is a masterpiece or the aforementioned Terry Kath, Free Form Guitar. The actual sounds Brian plays to make sound like guitar parts are fairly boring. There he goes using his traditional three finger chord leads. Wow. Groundbreaking. And if it were so groundbreaking, why not have some Guitar Tuba on Bohemian Rhapsody or Radio Ga Ga? Because one song with all that crap is enough. If I want a Flugelhorn or a Trombone, I sure as hell don't want Brian May doing it. Freddie also sounded great singing through a pair of headphones in a trash can, but Seasize Rendezvous is just a song. A nice one, but just a song. |
| Holly2003 23.07.2010 03:45 |
Micrówave wrote: A masterpiece? Well, doesn't a song have to be pretty well known to be a "masterpiece"? Probably few outside the Queen Fan base know about this song. If they want to hear a guitarist make non-traditional sound using a guitar, they can plug in Robert Fripp and say 21st Century Schizoid Man is a masterpiece or the aforementioned Terry Kath, Free Form Guitar. The actual sounds Brian plays to make sound like guitar parts are fairly boring. There he goes using his traditional three finger chord leads. Wow. Groundbreaking. And if it were so groundbreaking, why not have some Guitar Tuba on Bohemian Rhapsody or Radio Ga Ga? Because one song with all that crap is enough. If I want a Flugelhorn or a Trombone, I sure as hell don't want Brian May doing it. Freddie also sounded great singing through a pair of headphones in a trash can, but Seasize Rendezvous is just a song. A nice one, but just a song. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Going fishing again? I ain't biting! lol! |
| Micrówave 24.07.2010 00:09 |
No, actually I wasn't. I just can't believe you think that song is one of the greatest ever, as if Brian reinvented the wheel. Probably best we just leave that alone. |
| Holly2003 24.07.2010 14:15 |
Micrówave wrote: No, actually I wasn't. I just can't believe you think that song is one of the greatest ever, as if Brian reinvented the wheel. Probably best we just leave that alone. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In short, it's great because of the way it's put together, as you know, with the guitar mimicing a number of instruments to form a jazz orchestra. I can't think of another song that does this to this extent. I don't know if anyone had even tried it before Brian did it. |