QueenZone discussion #1223438
Singles Box #3 now on pre-order... I'm almost tempted - ALMOST
| Wiley 16.03.2010 13:50 |
This just in, from Queen Online Shop to my email inbox I am almost tempted to buy this one, just for the rare/uncommon sleeves for Hammer to Fall and One Year of Love, particularly the first one, which is insanely expensive. Pre-order (and artwork) here: http://www.queenonlinestore.com/productdetail.jsp?productPK=unittest-0i10JB0ZhSsf4024qN3IEb-1. Press release below. RELEASED 31st MAY - PRE-ORDER NOW The 3rd instalment of Queen: The Singles Collections, box 3 continues the story from the mid 1980s. Ultimately, the four boxes will offer every one of Queen's singles to have made the top 40 anywhere in the world (with the exception of 'Keep Yourself Alive' which is included in Vol 1 because it was the first ever single). Queen hit singles become a virtual certainty, with the release of each successive album, each one musically a departure from the last, and, significantly, featuring compositions from all four band members. Queen is to date the only group whose members have all written No. 1 hits around the world. Box 3 includes first single 'A' side to be written by all 4 members of the band: 'One Vision'. 10 out of the 14 'A' sides were top 10 singles worldwide and this set contains 8 non studio album tracks. Tracklisting CD1: 1. It's A Hard Life (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Is This The World We Created? (2010 Digital Remaster) CD2: 1. Hammer To Fall (Edit) (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Tear It Up (2010 Digital Remaster) CD3: 1. Thank God It's Christmas (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Man On The Prowl (2010 Digital Remaster) 3. Keep Passing The Open Windows (2010 Digital Remaster) CD4: 1. One Vision (Single Version) (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Blurred Vision (2010 Digital Remaster) CD5: 1. A Kind Of Magic (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. A Dozen Red Roses For My Darling (2010 Digital Remaster) CD6: 1. Friends Will Be Friends (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Princes Of The Universe (2010 Digital Remaster) CD7: 1. Pain Is So Close To Pleasure (Remix) (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Don't Lose Your Head (2010 Digital Remaster) CD8: 1. Who Wants To Live Forever (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Forever (Piano Version) (2010 Digital Remaster) CD9: 1. One Year Of Love (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Gimme The Prize (Kurgens Theme) (2010 Digital Remaster) CD10: 1. I Want It All (Single Version) (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Hang On In There (2010 Digital Remaster) CD11: 1. Breakthru (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Stealin' (2010 Digital Remaster) CD12: 1. The Invisible Man (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Hijack My Heart (2010 Digital Remaster) CD13: 1. Scandal (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. My Life Has Been Saved (2010 Digital Remaster) |
| brians wig 16.03.2010 14:08 |
Volume 1 came out in December 2008. Volume 2 came out in June 2009. Why the F*** have we had to wait 11 months for volume 3? We should be getting volume 4 out in May/June, not volume 3. I hope we don't have to wait until the middle of 2011 for volume 4 because that will be two WASTED years of uninteresting Queen releases :( |
| rhyeking 16.03.2010 14:09 |
I just opened this up for discussion in the General section, haha. It looks like there might be two cheats in there. I'm not sure "Friends Will Be Friends" was ever released with "Princes Of The Universe" as a b-side anywhere. The QUEEN9 single was only released with the following tracks: 7" Single: Who Wants To Live Forever (Single Version) Killer Queen 12" Single: Who Wants To Live Forever (Single Version) Who Wants To Live Forever Killer Queen Forever On the SC3 box just announced, it's listed as: Who Wants To Live Forever Forever It's possible they plan to use the Single Version and forgot to mention it, but that still means it doesn't represent an existing original 7" single, which I thought was the point of these collections, that they're reproductions. As far as I've been able to see "Forever" only ever appeared on the 12" single (listed above) and CD versions of the album. And yes, it appears that between SC2 and SC3, we'll have the entire Works album (with single versions) reproduced. Too bad we didn't get the "Machines (Instrumental)." |
| GT 16.03.2010 14:36 |
The reason Princes is on the same single as Friends is because we made this the first double 'A' side CD single in this series. It was the only way we could include Princes in the box as it was a legitimate Top 30 single. We could afford to lose the original 'B' side of Seven Seas on Friends because that is on Box 1 and the desision was made not to repeat any of the tracks throughout this series. |
| GT 16.03.2010 14:39 |
The same goes for Who Wants To Live Forever, we didn't want Killer Queen repeated so the most obvious choice was the instrumental Forever from the 12" single. I think most people would agree that this was the most sensible decision and you get Forever on CD single for the first time. |
| Benn Kempster 16.03.2010 14:52 |
>>and you get Forever on CD single for the first time. Which, of course, you can't actually get anywhere else at all. Certainly not on a REAL CD. Ha ha - they seriously *DO* think that they are doing us a favour releasing this shit, don't they? My assumption was that they didn't actually know what they are doing, but turns out they DO and they REALLY have no idea...... |
| rhyeking 16.03.2010 14:58 |
Are you planning to use the Single Version of Who Wants To Live Forever? It would be nice to have that remastered on CD for the first time. So, you must be aware that you're going encounter repeats of the '70s tracks when you reach "The Show Must Go On" and the Made In Heaven singles. I'm interested in seeing how those get handled. |
| popy 16.03.2010 15:57 |
brians wig wrote: Volume 1 came out in December 2008. Volume 2 came out in June 2009. Why the F*** have we had to wait 11 months for volume 3? We should be getting volume 4 out in May/June, not volume 3. I hope we don't have to wait until the middle of 2011 for volume 4 because that will be two WASTED years of uninteresting Queen releases :( are you really impressed? i give you an example: GVH1 DVD - 2001 GVH2 DVD - 2003 GVH3 DVD - it's been 9 years since GVH1 was released... and still no words about it |
| pittrek 16.03.2010 16:00 |
No extended versions ? Sorry, no interest here |
| djcamper 16.03.2010 16:09 |
popy wrote: i give you an example: GVH1 DVD - 2001 GVH2 DVD - 2003 GVH3 DVD - it's been 9 years since GVH1 was released... and still no words about it Next year will be 20 years since Innuendo was published. Could be a great occasion for an associated release of video. |
| pittrek 16.03.2010 16:15 |
djcamper wrote:popy wrote: i give you an example: GVH1 DVD - 2001 GVH2 DVD - 2003 GVH3 DVD - it's been 9 years since GVH1 was released... and still no words about itNext year will be 20 years since Innuendo was published. Could be a great occasion for an associated release of video. If GT reads this - it would be great to have a properly remastered / remixed Innuendo album (I want to hear some bass there, and not synths) and a DVD similar to the ANATO 30th anniversary release :-) |
| David Jones 16.03.2010 16:44 |
Damn, I was hoping for the live b-sides from the Miracle would make an appearance. What another box of shit. |
| GT 16.03.2010 16:56 |
The 'live' 'b' side is not due til the next single on The Miracle, so that will be for the next box, not this one. |
| Pim Derks 16.03.2010 17:03 |
Fuck Two Worlds Apart, Victory, Wooley Hat, Hangman or Sandbox - we now have Forever on CD-single. * laughs manically * |
| believe in yourself 45455 16.03.2010 18:33 |
Benn Kempster wrote: >>and you get Forever on CD single for the first time. Which, of course, you can't actually get anywhere else at all. Certainly not on a REAL CD. Forever is one of the bonustracks on the European CD and on the Hollywood Records CD. Well...my CD's must be fake than... |
| Vali 16.03.2010 20:11 |
GT wrote: The same goes for Who Wants To Live Forever, we didn't want Killer Queen repeated so the most obvious choice was the instrumental Forever from the 12" single. I think most people would agree that this was the most sensible decision and you get Forever on CD single for the first time. many tks for the explanations, GT; I really like the way this Volume 3 has been assembled |
| silver_salmon 16.03.2010 23:12 |
WOW!!!!!! I will have finally Blurred Vision...DIGITAL REMASTERED!!! this a great new!!!. Thanks QP, you know how to put the eye in business!!! |
| The Real Wizard 17.03.2010 00:16 |
I just don't understand why these boxed sets are being made, other than for aesthetic reasons and to make money. Oh wait, there we go. Still waiting for something NEW from Queen. It's been far too many years. |
| woodi485485 17.03.2010 04:31 |
I have ingored the other two boxes, still on sale at HMV for £55 each! but I am almost tempted with this one because of the B sides. Out of interest, as the Original Poster mentioned it, can anyone tell me how much the 12 inch live photo sleeve of Hammer To Fall sells for these days?.... I want to see if I made the right choice in selling it a few years back. I paid £2.49 when it was released in 1984 and sold it for £120 around 12 years ago. |
| on my way up 17.03.2010 05:44 |
This series is a complete joke.... I was at a shop In Antwerp (a big store) and the had 17 Singles Volume boxes 1 for 19 Euro but still nobody is interested... I think QPL should really start using their head. Absolute greatest and these boxes are ridiculous releases NOBODY is waiting for, except for a covers fetisjist. |
| believe in yourself 45455 17.03.2010 08:27 |
In the past when EMI released a limited edition of a Queen record they didn't try to push it through our throats. It was a sport to discover te existance of the record and try to get a copy. Often it took me years to get hold of one. That made them special and valuable. Nowadays 'special' releases are announced months before it's release date and offered as a pre-order. Collecting new releases isn't a sport anymore. It's too easy to get them. The SB's offer nothing new, are made in high quantities, easy to purchase and expensive. Nobody is interested except for a small group of collectors. And, oh yes, I will buy them. But I'm not excited about them at all. BTW Does anybody know how many of these boxes were made and sold? |
| joesilvey 17.03.2010 09:51 |
I realize there are very mixed feelings for these sets by the fans - mostly very negative. I also understand the cries for something NEW from QPL (which I very much want as well) as opposed to the singles which have been available for years in various forms... but I may be one of the few that's looking forward to this set, and absolutely WILL be buying it. I got the first 2 sets out of curiosity (i'm not a completist, but fairly obsessive as far as collecting Queen's music goes) and was very impressed with their quality, but moreso with the superb remastering. I work in radio / audio production and i have very particular ears for sonic quality... I've heard the 1991 CDs, original vinyls, the 2001 Japan remasters, and all the long line of re-issues and remastered Greatest Hits packages in the last decade as well. These box sets, save for the odd track here and there, contain the best remasters I've yet heard. Not dynamically compressed to death, not just LOUDER... the early tracks especially, sound so rich and organic - alive! They sound like real people in a room making the music. And this is not just overstating for effect - i was quite taken back by it. yes, we all have the b-sides already - but if these are any of your favorite Queen tracks, i believe you'll want to hear them this way, in my humble opinion... |
| Rubbersuit 17.03.2010 10:49 |
The poster above made a good case, but for me, I just don't feel it. There's something special about finding something rare and vintage, there's no magic in an internet pre-order for a re-issue. My stereo / speakers are not good enough to tell the difference on a new remaster anyway. [img=/images/smiley/msn/tounge_smile.gif][/img] |
| Darren1977 18.03.2010 13:37 |
I hope to christ nobody buys this rubbish |
| Voice of Reason 2018 18.03.2010 13:53 |
What do you think will be on volume 4? |
| Vali 18.03.2010 14:23 |
Voice of Reason 2010 wrote: What do you think will be on volume 4? The Miracle Innuendo I'm Going Slightly Mad Headlong The Show Must Go On These Are The Days Of Our Lives Heaven For Everyone A Winter's Tale Too Much Love Will Kill You Let Me Live You Don't Fool Me No One But You Under Pressure (Rah Mix) |
| rhyeking 18.03.2010 23:18 |
My speculation for box 4: Disc 1: The Miracle Stone Cold Crazy (Live) Disc 2: Innuendo Bijou Disc 3: I'm Going Slight Mad The Hitman Disc 4: Headlong (Single Version) All God's People Disc 5: The Show Must Go On These Are The Days Of Our Lives Disc 6: Somebody To Love (with George Michael) Love Of My Life (Live at Rock In Rio) *This is a lesser-known US cassette single, which had a unique sleeve AND a rare b-side. This would be ideal to include. Disc 7: Heaven For Everyone (Single Version) It's A Beautiful Day (Single Version) Disc 8: A Winter's Tale Rock In Rio Blues (UK Version) Disc 9: Too Much Love Will Kill You You Don't Fool Me Disc 10: Let Me Live My Fairy King (BBC Session #1) Doin' Alright (BBC Session #1) Liar (BBC Session #1) Disc 11: No One But You (Only The Good Die Young) We Will Rock You (Remix Ruined by Rick Rubin) Gimme The Prize (Instrumental Remix for The eYe) Disc 12: “Under Pressure (with David Bowie) (Rah Mix Radio Edit)” “Under Pressure (with David Bowie) (Mike Spencer Mix)” “Under Pressure (Knebworth Mix)”* Disc 13: C-lebrity Fire And Water (Live In Japan) The '90s singles present the issue of LOTS of re-used '70s & '80s tracks, so following the method of combining A-sides (had to do it twice), this is the best I could come up with. GT, if you're reading this, that US "Somebody To Love" single would be a VERY good idea to include. Trust me. I skipped SINT because it was a 1-track single and would be lame to repeat. recreating the 7" "C-lebrity" single would give us "Fire And Water" on CD as a b-side. |
| Jan78 19.03.2010 00:08 |
rhyeking, I'm pretty sure they would give us Lost Opportunity and Mad The Swine instead of Hitman and All God's People. Either way...wouldn't buy it myself. |
| GT 19.03.2010 04:00 |
Remember this: QUEEN: THE SINGLES COLLECTION, a project 35 years in the making, materialises on November 17th, in the first of four boxes of individual CD’s, facsimiles of the original vinyl singles. The tracks span more than 20 years, and are drawn from sixteen studio albums, beginning with the debut LP, Queen, in 1973, and ending in Made In Heaven in 1995. |
| Vali 19.03.2010 04:41 |
GT wrote: Remember this: QUEEN: THE SINGLES COLLECTION, a project 35 years in the making, materialises on November 17th, in the first of four boxes of individual CD’s, facsimiles of the original vinyl singles. The tracks span more than 20 years, and are drawn from sixteen studio albums, beginning with the debut LP, Queen, in 1973, and ending in Made In Heaven in 1995. Mmmmm .... no NOBY nor Under Presure Rah Mix, then ? Gary, what are you going to do ? Inventing previously unreleased singles is applicable? [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] Are we going to have something like Don't Try So Hard / Face It Alone and Mother Love / Let Me In (your heart again)? |
| GT 19.03.2010 04:52 |
This was the original premise to the box sets.....and only gave an indication of where the singles came from this being the first to last studio albums.....it never said anywhere that the singles collections would stop at that final album. |
| Pim Derks 19.03.2010 06:01 |
As long as they include Wyclef's AOBTD and the 5ive version of WWRY I'm a happy man. |
| Voice of Reason 2018 19.03.2010 08:30 |
I was born to love you was a big hit in Japan wasn't it? They might include it. |
| Vali 19.03.2010 08:48 |
Voice of Reason 2010 wrote: I was born to love you was a big hit in Japan wasn't it? They might include it. that's it ! |
| rhyeking 19.03.2010 10:59 |
Jan78 wrote: rhyeking, I'm pretty sure they would give us Lost Opportunity and Mad The Swine instead of Hitman and All God's People. Either way...wouldn't buy it myself. That's fine by me. If they include them, they'll be reproducing the 12" and CD singles, not the original 7" singles which I thought was the premise. But hey, an extra, semi-rare track on each disc? No relative complaints here. I still hold to my assertion that it would be a good idea to recreate the US "Somebody To Love (with GM)" single on CD. It gives us a rare B-side AND ackknowledges a No. 1 hit in the Queen catalogue. And it'll make some fans happier about these boxed sets. I own this cassette single and it took me years to find it. It would be nice to have a remastered version. GT, you still haven't told us if you're planning to use the Single Version of WWTLF on the upcoming Box 3. I really hope you do, it deserves a remastered CD release. |
| Darren1977 22.03.2010 09:58 |
Volume 5 will more than likely contain the best of the previous boxes!!. Just give us the unreleased stuff and be done with it. |
| Holly2003 22.03.2010 13:33 |
There's an old joke about someone having a burglary at their home, and the thieves stole everything -- from the furniture right down to the light bullbs -- everything except one CD: 'All the Right Reasons' by Nickleback, It's old and not very good, and it changes over time depending on which band/album is considered crap at any given point. I suspect a few years from now poeople will be inserting 'Queen's Singles Boxes' or whatever brand-name Queen Prod. give the latest greatest hits collection. |
| GT 14.04.2010 08:31 |
QUEEN TO RELEASE SINGLES COLLECTION VOLUME 3 Covers Years 1984 – 1989 The third edition in a four box set, Queen: The Singles Collection 3 continues the story of rock legends Queen through the years 1984 – 1989: an EMI/Parlophone release on May 31st. With the final volume due later this year, the complete set will offer every one of Queen’s singles to have made the top 40 anywhere in the world all replicated in faithful detail to their original form, in all, over 100 tracks charting the band’s history from their first single Keep Yourself Alive in 1973 and ending in 1999. A unique series, The Singles Collection has been compiled to provide fans with a means to access a complete and illustrated Queen singles’ catalogue by drawing on the band’s own archive of rare and much sought after alternative mixes, sleeves, non-album tracks, live tracks and tracks released only in other parts of the world. Of special interest in this set are likely to be the inclusion of five Queen instrumental B-sides, numerous non-UK sleeves, and the ultra rare sleeve originally designed for the UK and US release of Hammer to Fall but inexplicably withdrawn shortly after the single became available. The five years of the Queen story this collection bridges are as close to a defining history of the band as we are ever likely to be presented with. In this remarkable period of the band’s career we saw Queen tear up the record books. In their return to Latin America to play at “Rock in Rio” in Brazil on January 19th, 1985, the band played to a crowd of over 300,000, the biggest concert audience of all time. They would later draw the biggest ever crowd for a UK concert. Recording wise, the band created some of their most popular work to date with the soundtrack for “Highlander”, which largely made up the content of their May 1986 album, A Kind of Magic. The release gave the band another UK album chart No 1 and the title track single reached number one in no less than 35 countries. The success of the album would inspire the band to take to the road one more time with “The Magic Tour” and play to massive sell-out stadiums on their biggest tour ever undertaken in Europe. By the end, the band had played to more than a million people. Queen was by now the biggest live band in the world, a fact further confirmed when Queen ended the tour playing to their biggest UK audience ever. Performing at Knebworth Park, Hertfordshire on August 9th the band drew an audience of more than 200,000, unprecedented in UK concert history. Unbeknown to us at the time it would also be the last time they ever played live with Freddie. It took Queen three years to release a new album, which they did in spring 1989 with The Miracle. The album showed that despite the lengthy time gap between albums, Queen had not run out of steam, and their efforts were rewarded with another No 1 album and five consecutive Top 40 singles, four of which – I Want It All, Breakthru, The Invisible Man and Scandal are included in this volume. These watershed years, which saw Queen re-enforce their position as arguably the biggest band in the world, are replayed in Queen Singles Collection Volume 3, a period which reaffirmed the band’s extraordinary breadth of talent – diverging in scope from the optimism and assurance of such tracks as A Kind of Magic, One Vision (written after “Live Aid”), and I Want It All to the contrasting poignancy of such deeply personal ballads as Is This the World We Created . . . ? and Who Wants to Live Forever. If collecting Queen facts is your thing, there should be plenty to be enjoyed from the background to many of the tracks compiled for this collection. To get you started: - One Vision is the first single A-side to be written by all four members of the band. - One Vision was used in the soundtrack of the film “Iron Eagle”. - Who Wants To Live Forever was the first and only use of orchestra on a Queen track, namely the National Philharmonic Orchestra, arranged by Brian and the late Michael Kamen. - I Want It All was the first single to be credited as written by Queen collectively. - Is This The World We Created . . . ? is a duet by Freddie and Brian only. - Keep Passing The Open Windows was inspired by and written for the film “Hotel New Hampshire”. - Joan Armatrading sings backing vocals on Don’t Lose Your Head. - Steve Gregory plays saxophone on One Year of Love. - 10 out of the 14 A-sides here were top 10 singles worldwide. - Thank God It’s Christmas was Queen’s first and only Christmas song. - The Works and A Kind of Magic from which many of the tracks here are taken share the distinction of being albums from which every track was released as singles A or B-sides. The final box set, Queen Single Collection Volume 4, will be released this autumn and follow the band singles through to the period late 1989 – 1999. Queen Singles Collection Vol 3 Release date: 31st May 2010 CD Box Set ICPN: 5099968483920 Digital Download ICPN: 5099968483951 CD1: 1. It’s A Hard Life (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Is This The World We Created , , ,? (2010 Digital Remaster) CD2: 1. Hammer To Fall (Edit) (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Tear It Up (2010 Digital Remaster) CD3: 1. Thank God It’s Christmas (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Man On The Prowl (2010 Digital Remaster) 3. Keep Passing The Open Windows (2010 Digital Remaster) CD4: 1. One Vision (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Blurred Vision (2010 Digital Remaster) CD5: 1. A Kind Of Magic (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. A Dozen Red Roses For My Darling (2010 Digital Remaster) CD6: 1. Friends Will Be Friends (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Princes Of The Universe (2010 Digital Remaster) CD7: 1. Pain Is So Close To Pleasure (Remix) (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Don’t Lose Your Head (2010 Digital Remaster) CD8: 1. Who Wants To Live Forever (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Forever (Piano Version) (2010 Digital Remaster) CD9: 1. One Year Of Love (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Gimme The Prize (Kurgan’s Theme) (2010 Digital Remaster) CD10: 1. I Want It All (Single Version) (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Hang On In There (2010 Digital Remaster) CD11: 1. Breakthru (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Stealin’ (2010 Digital Remaster) CD12: 1. The Invisible Man (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. Hijack My Heart (2010 Digital Remaster) CD13: 1. Scandal (2010 Digital Remaster) 2. My Life Has Been Saved (2010 Digital Remaster) Audio supervised by Justin Shirley-Smith, Joshua J Macrae, Kris Fredriksson and Martin Lau. Remastered by Peter Mew at Abbey Road. Compiled with the help of Greg Brooks and Gary Taylor. Design by Richard Gray. All sleeves courtesy of the Brian May archive. |
| pittrek 14.04.2010 11:52 |
GT - will it at least have a damned booklet ? :-( |
| people on streets 14.04.2010 22:05 |
stupid releases. Not buying them. GT: you're biased. |
| TheGame 16.04.2010 06:09 |
Im so damn tired of these old "re-releases". Its the same again and again and again. Man, when will something new appear? Brian and Roger is not getting younger.......... |
| cmsdrums 18.04.2010 16:13 |
Can someone explain the reasoning behind having one person remaster the tracks for the singles box sets, and another remastering the tracks for the Absolute Greatest album? Brian himself has publicly said on his soapbox that Bob Ludwig is the best 'masterer' in the business, and they tested him thoroughly before putting him on the AG project, so is he then admitting that the singles boxes aren't subject ot he same high levels and are 'second rate' masters? By the way, how do you think Bob Ludwig - with countless years of experience on multi platinum albums across most major artists - felt having Justin Shirley-Smith listed as 'mastering supervisor' on his work, when JSS is, in my opinion and a lot of others here too, just simply very poor on nearly all his Queen mixes, and when he isn't known as a 'masterer' either?? |
| danwhite89 18.04.2010 20:28 |
GT just sounds like a spambot! You could get 100 replies of people saying that this is pointless waffle that we've all already got about 5 times already, and then GT would post the latest Singles Box #3 related article from Queen Productions or wherevers. |
| The_CrY 19.04.2010 05:33 |
I don't see the problem. I think the singles boxes are a great project to have those rare sleeves and the rare b-sides remastered. And of course there's this golden rule: don't like it, don't buy it. If I had the money I would certainly get those Singles Boxes since they're cool collector's items. |
| TheVisibleMan 19.04.2010 06:05 |
I really don't buy everything Queen releases. I Didn't buy Absolute Greatest because its really not interesting. But I like the Idea behind the Singles Collection. It's a nice Collectors Box. It's not the best way they release them (no booklets, maxi singles would have been more interesting) but I like having them. The only complaint I have is that they are really expensive. But if you remember all the Boxes Queen released in the past (when Freddie was alive and after) , nearly all didn't have anything new. I think, the only perfect Box was the Freddie Mercury Box and that means alot. |
| Wilki Amieva 25.04.2010 15:19 |
It is already out in some Eastern Europe countries. |
| JeroenG 04.05.2010 07:23 |
Ah well, at least we have the single remix of 'Pain is so close to pleasure' on CD for the first time. As for 'Princes of the universe', I was hoping on the Australian sleeve re-released on CD-format, but now that it is coupled with 'Friends will be friends' I'm afraid that won't happen. |
| pittrek 05.05.2010 01:48 |
OK, I've changed my mind and bought volumes 1 and 2. Well, they LOOK NICE. That's the correct term, "nice". But still it's not worth more than 13gbp, sorry. I will buy volume 3 when I find it on eBay for a reasonable price |
| GT 05.05.2010 01:51 |
As for 'Princes of the universe', I was hoping on the Australian sleeve re-released on CD-format, but now that it is coupled with 'Friends will be friends' I'm afraid that won't happen. ______________________________________________________________________________________________ Well you do get to see this sleeve....it is a 'double A' side after all! |
| GT 24.05.2010 01:03 |
And here is the sleeve for the 'Princes' single. |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 25.05.2010 16:48 |
Thanks for the scan Gary. Was there ever a plan to include liner notes? Any thoughts on making downloadable liner notes on queensinglesbox.com? |
| GT 29.05.2010 00:51 |
From the beginning of this project there was talk of a booklet but it was decided by the powers that be that it wasn't necessary....I can't see one being included in the final box set 4 either....sorry. |
| brians wig 29.05.2010 02:55 |
Waiting (im)patiently for the 12" collection boxset. Hopefully that will be the first thing Universal release but NOT at the same cost as these! I'd have bought the singles collections if they £13 a box - there's only the equivalent of 1 & 1/2 CDs worth. I'm afraid the original idea of a 10 disc set like the Freddie set was a much better idea and I'd have happily paid £100 for that, but these are pretty unlistenable as they are. Who wants to change discs every 8 minutes?? If they truly are a limited run of 10,000 sets only, it's pretty obvious that Queen didn't expect sales to be much, and as far as I'm concerned these sets have wasted 4 release slots over two years :( Where's Hammy 75 by the way? GB said it was "imminent" at Convention in March... |
| pittrek 29.05.2010 03:04 |
GT wrote: From the beginning of this project there was talk of a booklet but it was decided by the powers that be that it wasn't necessary....I can't see one being included in the final box set 4 either....sorry.That's pretty bad. But I really like the idea of a "downloadable booklet". Would it be possible for you to tell/write it to "the powers" ? |
| pittrek 29.05.2010 03:06 |
brians wig wrote: Waiting (im)patiently for the 12" collection boxset. Hopefully that will be the first thing Universal release but NOT at the same cost as these! I'd have bought the singles collections if they £13 a box - there's only the equivalent of 1 & 1/2 CDs worth. I'm afraid the original idea of a 10 disc set like the Freddie set was a much better idea and I'd have happily paid £100 for that, but these are pretty unlistenable as they are. Who wants to change discs every 8 minutes?? If they truly are a limited run of 10,000 sets only, it's pretty obvious that Queen didn't expect sales to be much, and as far as I'm concerned these sets have wasted 4 release slots over two years :( Where's Hammy 75 by the way? GB said it was "imminent" at Convention in March...Good questions, I hope they actually plan to release the 12" mixes properly, e.g. as "Volume 5" . The extended versions and instrumentals are the reason why I've been looking forward to the singles box when I first read about that idea. Re: Hammy 75 - it would be logical to release it for the Christmas market. I hope "they" think it's logical, too :-) |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 31.05.2010 13:07 |
Did anyone pick this up today? |
| brians wig 24.06.2010 03:09 |
Erm, where is the official INSTRUMENTAL edit of Radio GaGa, or are they leaving that for a 12" singles boxset??????? |
| pittrek 24.06.2010 03:12 |
brians wig wrote: Erm, where is the official INSTRUMENTAL edit of Radio GaGa, or are they leaving that for a 12" singles boxset???????What makes you think that there WILL be a 12" singles boxset ? BTW they missed too many great song versions on this release ... |
| GT 24.06.2010 03:16 |
An Instrumental version of 'Radio Ga Ga' was not on the 7" single - which is what all these CD singles are based on. So you won't find any Instrumental or 12" Extended versions on these sets unless one was on the 7" version. |
| brians wig 24.06.2010 06:06 |
GT wrote: An Instrumental version of 'Radio Ga Ga' was not on the 7" single - which is what all these CD singles are based on. So you won't find any Instrumental or 12" Extended versions on these sets unless one was on the 7" version. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for clarifying that Gary, but you fudged "Forever" even though that was a 12" only release.... Well I hope you've an extended mix boxset planned, and that you won't forget to include the longer version of "A Dozen Red Roses..". I don't suppose the tracklisting for boxset 4 has been confirmed yet has it? I'm curious to see how you're going to get 26 tracks out of that... |
| Micrówave 24.06.2010 18:10 |
GT wrote: I think most people would agree that this was the most sensible decision and you get Forever on CD single for the first time. Huh? I've had FOREVER on CD for 23 years now. Kind Of Magic (US-Capitol) has it. I see we've been keeping up to the QPL standards of research. One thing you might wanna keep in mind, GT. We Queen fans have A LOT of stuff on CD you don't think we have. Release the good stuff, not this crap!!! And the reason for the delay in releasing this? The first two are NOT selling, contrary to what some would have you believe. I'm shocked they're even bothering with Volume 4. But those 12 people are going to want to complete their set. |
| brians wig 24.06.2010 18:33 |
UK CD album release of AKOM has "Forever" on it as well. To be fair, i suppose they needed to come up with something to add as the second track on the disc, but how nice would it have been if they'd plumped for the film version of AKOM instead - it appears on the GVH2 DVD as one of the menu tracks I believe, so it's not like they didn't have the master lying around. Typical lack of thought and originality from QPL. |
| GT 25.06.2010 01:44 |
As you know guys, the reasoning behind this box set project was to recreate the 7" singles on CD and not just put any old rare track onto a 'b' side as it just wouldn't of fitted in. The reason we chose 'Forever' as the 'B' side, even though it is only on the 12" , is because it was agreed that no tracks should be repeated throughout this series. So that was the most obvious choice to use or you would of had 'Killer Queen' again. The same problem was met for the 'Friends' single.....luckily we needed another disc for the 'Princes' single and it worked out well that a double 'A' side was made. And yes the 'Forever' track was a bonus track on the CD albums, we do realise that....but we meant that this was the first time on a CD single, as that is what this project is about. And yes 'Singles Collection 4' will still be released.....and will include some more track listings that people will not all agree with. |
| pittrek 25.06.2010 02:03 |
... and is there any chance to get something like a "12inch boxset " ? I'd love to get all the extended remixes / instrumentals etc. on CD |
| brians wig 25.06.2010 02:55 |
GT wrote: And yes 'Singles Collection 4' will still be released.....and will include some more track listings that people will not all agree with. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a feeling Gary that you've been "let off" quite easily so far with the track listings of the first three boxsets - they pretty much do what it says on the tin and are 98% faithful. However i think you're potentially in for a lot of stick over set 4 depending on what you "fill it up with". Of course, i do hope you know that we all realise that you yourself probably have very little say in the final tracklistings - I can't see you sitting there in a heated argument with Brian, Roger & Jim telling them what they SHOULD be putting out, so don't take anything said on QZ personally - unless I'm wrong and it IS all your fault! LOL ;) While I'm expecting things like the Five Live EP from the tribute concert, I hope it doesn't include all the rubbish "collaborations" like Vanguard's Flash and Wyclef jeans "AOBTD" - that would just be one step too far and a major p*** take. Of course, I wouldn't expect to see Queen & Robbie Williams as that wasn't a single release (but you can put it on if you like), but I would expect to see Queen & Five, and if there's a FULL version of WWRY with Britney, Beyonce & Pink, then THAT would be fine addition as well. Of course, QPL could surprise us all and give us the OFFICIAL USA SINGLE releases of Liar and It's Late..... (I won't hold my breath) |
| GT 25.06.2010 03:06 |
Box Set 4, like all the other boxes will only include QUEEN singles.......now that's a clue. The reason 'It's Late' and 'Liar' (and some others) weren't in this series is because they were not hit singles! |
| GT 25.06.2010 03:16 |
I have a feeling Gary that you've been "let off" quite easily so far with the track listings of the first three boxsets - they pretty much do what it says on the tin and are 98% faithful. However i think you're potentially in for a lot of stick over set 4 depending on what you "fill it up with". Of course, i do hope you know that we all realise that you yourself probably have very little say in the final tracklistings - I can't see you sitting there in a heated argument with Brian, Roger & Jim telling them what they SHOULD be putting out, so don't take anything said on QZ personally - unless I'm wrong and it IS all your fault! LOL ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We can only suggest what makes it onto this project......the big boys actually deal with the final outcome. The track listing will always upset some people and everybody has a different view, but we try and stick to a general rule of thumb that the tracks had to be on the appropriate single when it was first released. And you are right Box 4 did throw up some problems not least because a few of the singles were not issued on 7" and so we had to include tracks that were on the CD singles etc. We knew this right from the beginning but a good compromise was agreed and everything is covered. Thanks for your concern over people making comments at me, but I never take anything personally. |
| bigV 25.06.2010 03:39 |
I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but I really hope that Box 4 will give "Under Pressure (2000 Club Mix)" a CD release, as it is in my opinion one of the best (if not THE best) Queen-related remixes ever! I won't ask you to confirm or deny that it will be present (my guess would be no), but just a thought to keep in mind. V. |
| bigV 25.06.2010 03:56 |
Here's a thought... What are the odds that "The Miracle" will have the hologram cover? :) V. |
| cmsdrums 27.06.2010 16:10 |
GT wrote: The reason we chose 'Forever' as the 'B' side, even though it is only on the 12" , is because it was agreed that no tracks should be repeated throughout this series. Quite ironic really when the whole series is, in essence, another set of re-releases of tracks that we've had on numerous hits/best of etc..etc.. compilations!! I suppose this goes to show that even back in 1986, by including Seven Seas.., Killer Queen etc.. as single B Sides, Queen were afraid to release anything 'new' or 'risky' or 'exciting' such as demos, unreleased tracks etc.. but plumping instead for old singles that we're already by then heard a million times! :-) |
| cmsdrums 28.06.2010 14:59 |
cmsdrums wrote: GT wrote: The reason we chose 'Forever' as the 'B' side, even though it is only on the 12" , is because it was agreed that no tracks should be repeated throughout this series. Quite ironic really when the whole series is, in essence, another set of re-releases of tracks that we've had on numerous hits/best of etc..etc.. compilations!! I suppose this goes to show that even back in 1986, by including Seven Seas.., Killer Queen etc.. as single B Sides, Queen were afraid to release anything 'new' or 'risky' or 'exciting' such as demos, unreleased tracks etc.. but plumping instead for old singles that we're already by then heard a million times! :-) |
| GT 08.07.2010 06:00 |
For those who are interested in this kind of thing, this is the trade ad for the latest 'Singles Collection 3' box set. |
| pittrek 08.07.2010 06:03 |
GT wrote: Box Set 4, like all the other boxes will only include QUEEN singles.......now that's a clue. The reason 'It's Late' and 'Liar' (and some others) weren't in this series is because they were not hit singles!So no Under Pressure Rah Mix ? |
| pittrek 08.07.2010 06:15 |
There are a couple of things which I seriously don't understand about these single boxes. 1) Why 13 singles in one box ? Why not 10 ? Why not 20 ? 2) Why is there no booklet explaining why did you chose the tracks you used and not others ? 3) Why do the discs have the same "uniform" labels and not a re-creation of the original disc labels ? I have the Japanese mini-vinyls and what I love about them is that they're EXACT replicas of the vinyls, including the labels, the paper type used for the covers ... 4) Why did you skip so MANY singles ? These boxes inspired me to create a list of all singles which feature unique versions of songs (or non-album tracks) and you skipped SO MANY songs :-( It's very sad that we are not "allowed" to own songs, which were released only on 12" singles. Or US-only remixes. Or the 1991 Hollywood Records remixes - well I know they all suck, but still - a collector wants everything. 5) Who is the planned "end customer" ? I mean an "average Joe" can't be interested in a box containing discs which he needs to change every avg. 8 minutes, with songs from a band he heard about on radio. And a "collector" will be angry because these boxes are not really "collectible items". Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the new remasters and I really like the re-created covers, but this "project" seriously screams at you "sorry but I'm incomplete" I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, I had beer for lunch :-) |
| rhyeking 08.07.2010 10:49 |
pittrek wrote: 4) Why did you skip so MANY singles ? These boxes inspired me to create a list of all singles which feature unique versions of songs (or non-album tracks) and you skipped SO MANY songs :-( It's very sad that we are not "allowed" to own songs, which were released only on 12" singles. Or US-only remixes. Or the 1991 Hollywood Records remixes - well I know they all suck, but still - a collector wants everything. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Not ALL the Hollywood Records 1991 remixes were bad. Some were decent and some were quite good. Really, the only one I don't like was the "Bicycle Race" remix. That said, I'd listen to it several times over rather than listen to something like "Time Of My Life" from Dirty Dancing. It's all about keeping some perspective. In my opinion... Really good: "Liar" "You're My Best Friend" "I'm In Love With My Car" "Tie You're Mother Down" "Fat Bottomed Girls" "Stone Cold Crazy (TR)" "Another One Bites The Dust (Long Dusted B-Boy Version)" "Hammer To Fall (Malouf) "I Can't Live With You (Malouf)" Decent enough: "Ogre Battle" "Stone Cold Crazy" "Somebody To Love" "We Will Rock You" (I know I'll get slammed for it, but I like this remix) "Body Language" "Tie Your Mother Down (TR)" Could take or leave: "The Seven Seas Of Rhye" All the other WWRY remixes by Rick Rubin "Flash's Theme" "Another One Bites The Dust (Ogilvey Mix)" "Dragon Attack" Ugh: "We Are The Champions" "Bicycle Race" I'd also like to remind people, and some of you may not be aware, that when Hollywood Records got the rights to Queen's catalogue, they knew it was gold mine and did a MASSIVE promotion in 1991/1992. They could have just re-issued the albums, but they went many steps further and flooded the market with promos to radio stations, DJs and record stores. They had four different guys remaster all the albums from Queen to The Miracle (and theses are still among the best remasters currently [or ever] available. See the on-going discussions on this in The Best Remasters thread) and loaded the CDs with bonus tracks (Remixes, B-sides, Original 12" Mixes). Hollywood Records ought to be commended for the sheer effort they put into promoting Queen, whether you like every single remix or not. There were so many promos that we're still trying to track all the edits, remixes and versions they pumped into the market! |
| pittrek 08.07.2010 13:44 |
Well let's make 4 categories : A - I can listen to them anytime, and sometime even enjoy them B - they're OK, but definitely not for everyday listening C - really bad, but I am able to listen to them "in a specific mood" D - pure garbage A - Liar (John Luongo / Gary Hellman remix) Stone Cold Crazy (Michael Wagener remix) Stone Cold Crazy (Trent Reznor remix) I'm In Love With My Car (Mike Shipley remix) You're My Best Friend (Matt Wallace remix) Somebody To Love (Randy Badazz remix) Fat Bottomed Girls (Brian Malouf remix) Thank God It's Christmas (extended version) I Can't Live With You (both Brian Malouf remixes) B Body Language (Susan Rogers remix) Tie Your Mother Down (Matt Wallace remix) Hammer To Fall (both Brian Malouf remixes) Ogre Battle C We Will Rock You (Rick Rubin Ruined Remix 12" version) Another One Bites The Dust (Dave Ogilvie remix) Another One Bites The Dust (Long Dusted B-Boy Version) D Tie Your Mother Down (Trent Reznor remix) We Will Rock You (any other Rick Rubim remix) We Are The Champions (Rick Rubin remix) Bicycle Race (Junior Vasquez Remix) Dragon Attack (RAK / Jack Benson remix) Dragon's Return (is this even official ? ) Flash's Theme (Mista Lawnge remix) Seven Seas Of Rhye (Freddy Bastone remix) |
| rhyeking 08.07.2010 14:46 |
No people's lists are going to be the same, but all in all, I'm glad HR put the effort into trying new things, even if some remixes aren't great. Doing *something* (even with mixed results) is better than doing nothing (with no results)! I always saw the HR Version of "Thank God It's Christmas" as a mastering or mixing mistake, rather than a deliberate effort to release an alternate version. I agree, the added percussion is an improvement and that's the version I'll listen to at Christmas, given the choice. |
| pittrek 08.07.2010 14:52 |
Definitely. It's great that they wanted to add some extra tracks but for most albums adding the single cuts or non-album tracks would be enough :-) |
| Benn Kempster 08.07.2010 15:13 |
cmsdrums, re: >>I suppose this goes to show that even back in 1986, And you can take it even further back - 1984 when every track from The Works was released as either an A or B side, meaning that you, potentially had the album on LP, Cassette and then twice more as tracks on 7 & 12" Genius marketing. |
| rhyeking 08.07.2010 17:11 |
pittrek wrote: Definitely. It's great that they wanted to add some extra tracks but for most albums adding the single cuts or non-album tracks would be enough :-) +++++++++++++++ Yes, there were several non-album tracks and single versions which could have been harvested. If they'd decided to use the existing material, like RykoDisc did with Bowie's catalogue (those were GREAT releases), here's what I would have liked to see: Queen + Mad The Swine + KYA Long Lost Re-take + The Night Comes Down (RTB Version) + Polar Bear (Demo) Queen II + See What A Fool I've Been (B-side) + Modern Times Rock And Roll (BBC Session #4) + White Queen (BBC Session # 4) + Nevermore (BBC Session #4) Sheer Heart Attack + Tenement Funster (UK CD3 Single Version)* + Flick Of The Wrist (Dutch Single Version)* + Lily Of The Valley (US Single Version)* + Stone Cold Crazy (TR) * These are the full stand-alone versions. Or the BBC Versions would have been nice too, that whole session (#5). A Night At The Opera + I'm In Love With My Car (UK Single Version) + Bohemian Rhapsody (French Promo Edit) + God Save The Queen (US Single Version) + We Are The Champions (Demo...if such a demo exists) A Day At The Races + Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy (TOTP Version) + Any period demos News Of The World + Feeling Feelings + It's Late (US Edit) + 6th BBC Session Jazz +Again, any demos kicking around The Game + A Human Body +It's A Beautiful Day (Demo) + Play the Game (Andy Gibb Version...if it exists) Flash Gordon + The complete soundtrack without the music dialogue and effects Hot Space + Soul Brother + Cool Cat (with David Bowie) The Works + I Go Crazy + Radio Ga Ga (Instrumental) + Machines (Instumental) A Kind Of Magic + Forever + A Dozen Red Roses For My Darling + Blurred Vision The Miracle + Hang On In There + Chinese Torture + Stealin' + My Life Has Been Saved + Hijack My Heart And if HR was feeling really awesome, put out a 2 CD set of remastered 12"/Extended Versions: Disc 1 Back Chat Staying Power Radio Ga Ga I Want To Break Free It's A Hard Life Hammer To Fall Man On The Prowl Keep Passing The Open Windows One Vision Disc 2 Pain Is So Close Pleasure A Kind Of Magic A Dozen Red Roses for My Darling Friends Will Be Friends The Invisible Man Scandal Breakthru Innuendo (I know a few extended versions have been issued since, but these were the only ones available in 1991) |
| rhyeking 08.07.2010 17:45 |
pittrek wrote: GT wrote: Box Set 4, like all the other boxes will only include QUEEN singles.......now that's a clue. The reason 'It's Late' and 'Liar' (and some others) weren't in this series is because they were not hit singles! So no Under Pressure Rah Mix ? +++++++ So, GT, you're saying that in order to qualify for inclusion, a single had to be a hit? Yet, all the hits are already accounted for on 3 Greatest Hits collections AND Absolute Greatest. AG didn't come out till after Singles 1 & 2 were issued, but that just compounds the problem, as the same songs and versions are getting re-issued on different releases and many rare version are not getting re-issued at all. If we sound ungrateful, it's because we're getting lost in the logic. Expensive, limited edition releases tend to be aimed at existing, hard-core fans. Yet, what is released is not what the fans want or would be interested in. The fans already have these tracks. Casual fans won't drop $100 on a release, no matter how many hits appear on it, because they can get the same songs on a single CD for $15. Hardcore fans would LOVE to see every rare version and non-album track appear in a box set like the Singles Collection, digitally remastered and sounding awesome. We would understand that you're only using 1 of 3 "Flick Of The Wrists," but if it meant knowing we were getting "Liar (US Edit)" and "Machines (Instrumental)," you'd hear little to no complaining (some folk you just can't ever please until the anthologies come out...ignore those people!). Curiously, "Keep Yourself Alive" was only a hit in the US, Canada and Australia in 1975, with the re-issue single, whose tracklisting was: Side A: Keep Yourself Alive (US Edit) Side B Lily Of The Valley (US Single Version) God Save The Queen (US Single Version) Now THAT would have been awesome to have remastered on CD. I own this 7" single (found it at a yard sale for $1). If you say, "Yeah, but Now I'm Here had a rare version of LOTV. Should we have excluded it?" Yes, because we have "Now I'm Here" and that version of LOTV is an edit. I'm not going to go track by track with my citique, I'm merely demonstrating that there were many alternatives and what got issued is being griped about because it seems to not be aimed at either market (hardcore fans or casual listeners). |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 08.07.2010 20:22 |
I agree completely Rhyeking. |
| rhyeking 08.07.2010 21:59 |
Bored, I decided to try to see how I would have made the Singles Collection 1. Every disc has at least one "rare" track. Disc 1: Liar (US Edit) Doing All Right Disc 2: The Seven Seas Of Rhye See What A Fool I've Been Disc 3: Killer Queen Flick Of The Wrist (Dutch Single Version) Disc 4: Keep Yourself Alive (US Single Edit) Lily Of The Valley (US Single Version) God Save The Queen (US Single Version) Disc 5: Bohemian Rhapsody I'm In Love With My Car (UK Single Version) Disc 6: Tie Your Mother Down (Single Version) You And I Disc 7: Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy Death On Two Legs Tenement Funster (EP Version) White Queen (EP Version) Disc 8: It's Late (US Edit) Sheer Heart Attack Disc 9: Bicycle Race Fat Bottomed Girls (Single Version) Disc 10: Love Of My Life (Live) Now I'm Here (Live) Disc 11: We Will Rock You (Fast) (Live) Let Me Entertain You (Live) Disc 12: Crazy Little Thing Called Love Spread Your Wings (Live) Disc 13: Play The Game A Human Body |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 08.07.2010 23:51 |
I do own all 3 of the singles collections sets released so far. For anyone interested, here is what I think are the positives and negatives of the sets. For the record, I do like the sets and am glad I purchased them; the negative points I am making are slightly nit-picking. I realize that those who made the set were given guidelines to follow and may not have wanted to present it in the way it was released. Positives 1. Remasters sound very good. Great job by Peter Mew. There will be some talk about some of the compression/loudness, but I think the set makes for a good listening experience. 2. Many tracks appearing on CD for the first time (Who Wants To Live Forever Single Edit, Pain Is So Close To Pleasure Single Remix, A Human Body, Back Chat Single Remix, etc.). 3. The sleeves and the boxes themselves visually look great. It was obvious some time and care went into their construction and presentation. Negatives 1. The format – 2 songs per disc is a pain for casual listening. I like the fact that they tried to stay true to the original singles, but it makes for a cumbersome experience. I would have rather the sets come as 2 full CDs with a printed book with all of the sleeves. 2. Straying from the format. I think it’s better that Forever and Princes of the Universe were included on the set in lieu of an item already on the box, but it strays from the format. Why not stray from the format on the rest of the box and add more rare edits/single versions. 3. No booklet. Pretty much every Queen collection comes with a booklet that is very well done. The Greatest Hits I, II, III, Rocks, etc. all had booklets with great information. Again, if the format was done differently, the sleeves and liner notes could have been put into the box and all of the tracks could be presented on two CDs. 4. The disc design is very plain, mimicking the design on the outer box. I think a better solution would be to use the disc design from the US Free Record Store Day version of Queen’s First EP. That design used a grooved vinyl design with a label in the middle. This could be done for the singles boxes to replicate the original label and vinyl 7”. 5. Spread Your Wings is the wrong version. This should actually be a single edit with an early fade at the end. 6. Hang On In There is the wrong version. Again, the single version ends slightly differently then the album version. 7. Timing. This set would have been much better say 10 years ago. Releasing these so close to Absolute Greatest floods the market in a short time with more ‘Best of/Greatest Hits’ type material. I am sure more Best of type releases are on their way because of the switch to Universal as well. 8. So much is missing. There are no single edits/versions of Liar, It’s Late, etc. I agree that all of the different versions appearing on this set would be monotonous (we don’t 4 different versions of Flick of the Wrist). The 12” mixes being absent are a letdown too (I realize this is due to the format they went with). Possible problems for Set 4 1. Will My Melancholy Blues (Live) be included on The Miracle single; it only appeared on the 12” vinyl. Again, I would rather it be there, but then again it does stray from the format of the set. 2. Will the single edit/version of Headlong be used, or will the album version be used? 3. Will I’m Going Slightly Mad include Lost Opportunity? The 7” has The Hitman only as the B-side; the 12” and CD single had Lost Opportunity included. 4. Will Mad The Swine be included on the Headlong single. Again, it only appeared on the 12” and CD single. 5. Will The Miracle have a hologram cover? |
| Wilki Amieva 09.07.2010 00:00 |
I would KILL for that miniature hologram cover!!! |
| rhyeking 09.07.2010 00:35 |
Excellent post, Adam, these are legitimate concerns and questions, asked in the interest of promoting dialogue. Too many posts and threads are negative and simply exuses to gripe about what we don't like. I know I've been guilty of such posts and am trying to change. It's no wonder that officials from Queen Productions are reluctant to post here when all they see is us complaining. We need more constructive posts (like Adam's). Some people see it as a compromise, as if not saying exactly what's on your mind in the plainest, bluntest (harshest!) terms is somehow giving in. It may have to do with the anonimity of the forum format, where we say here what we'd put more politely face-to-face (or not, I'm sure some people are jerks in person too!). I've worked with Adam for a few years, occassionally contributing to his Queen Vault.com site and collaborating on a personal project, and though I don't speak for him, I'm sure he would not object when I make this offer: He and I would be more than happy to consult on releases, to offer ideas, suggestions and feedback. We are not looking to step on any toes or impose our opinions on the workings of Queen Productions, but simply feel that we could offer an objective point of view, perhaps assuming the role of devil's advocate if needed. We are meticulous in our research and are knowledgable, though constantly refining that knowledge and keeping an open mind to the fact that there is certainly still a good deal to learn, limited as we are to what has been either officially released or unofficially leaked. In short, we have an eye for detail and want only the best for everyone involved. |
| cmi 09.07.2010 00:48 |
Adam Unger wrote: 6. Hang On In There is the wrong version. Again, the single version ends slightly differently then the album version. The difference here is in mastering only, which has fadeout one second earlier than on CD album extra track. I don't think it must be classified as different edit. Following that rule Greatest Hits II CD has a dozen of "different edit" versions. But no one cares about it. |
| rhyeking 09.07.2010 01:00 |
I care. Yes, it's minor, but it's not my place to argue over the significance of the alteration, but to note it's existence. And go to link where you'll see EVERY such "different edit" is duly noted. By their sheer numbers, the validity of these "differences" acquit themselves. |
| Wilki Amieva 09.07.2010 01:10 |
I agree with most of the points above. I understand these are not intended as comprehensive releases, so I do not disagree with the song selection (the rules and also the exceptions both seem logic to me). However, I would have loved a more collector-oriented chosing of the versions ('mistakes' aside). The inclusion of more obscure edits or mixes also originally released in 7"s (the instrumental mix of Machines, for instance) would have not hurt the 'casual' fan while it would have been of great value to collectors and researchers. The extended versions/mixes would be suitable for a QUEEN MAXIS COLLECTION or something alike (which -I suspect- is already under discussion). From the point of view of the cover art and reference material, I agree with Adam that a (at least minimal) booklet should have been included. Besides, the label-plus-vinyl-surface-replica stamped in each CD seems a simple and GOOD idea. I would also like to note that a reference to Don't Lose Your Head is missing in the Pain Is So Close To Pleasure backsleeve. For Headlong there are at least FOUR choices (discarding the longer video cut - not really a single): the album version 4:38 (from the INNUENDO CD/CT, also in the UK and Japan CD5), the vinyl edit 4:31 (from a slightly different mix, also included in the GREATEST HITS II CD and the Dutch CD5), the radio edit 3:47 (from the US promo CD5, also on various promo CTs) and the Canadian CHR edit - no guitar 3:20 (from the Canadian promo single). ...Talking about minor differences! Finally, PLEASE do not get me wrong. I really like each of the boxes as they are. In my humble opinion, they could perhaps be just a bit better. But that is merely my personal point of view and I expect everyone to take it just as that - I certainly do. I sincerely hope my words are taken as constructive criticism and nothing else. |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 09.07.2010 01:20 |
The Hang On In There edit was first mentioned on the Trainspotter's site over 11 years ago and I have kept it as an alternative version on my site. It is an absolutely trivial difference without any consequence, but just for the sake of being thorough, I have mentioned it here. |
| rhyeking 09.07.2010 02:05 |
Wilki Amieva wrote: For Headlong there are at least FOUR choices (discarding the longer video cut - not really a single): the album version 4:38 (from the INNUENDO CD/CT, also in the UK and Japan CD5), the vinyl edit 4:31 (from a slightly different mix, also included in the GREATEST HITS II CD and the Dutch CD5), the radio edit 3:47 (from the US promo CD5, also on various promo CTs) and the Canadian CHR edit - no guitar 3:20 (from the Canadian promo single). +++++++++++++++++ Here are the versions of "Headlong," all but one I actually own: Hints Of Innuendo Version (1:08) = appears on "Hints Of Innuendo" Promo TC Album Version (4:38) = appears on "Innuendo" album (LP/TC/CD), US Promo CD, Classic Queen and Queen Rocks Radio Edit (3:49) = appears on US Promo TC/CD Single Version (4:33) = appears on QUEEN18 (7"/12"TC/CD) and "Greatest Hits II" Video Version (4:43) = appears on the "Headlong" video CHR Edit (3:20) = appears on the Warner Promo CD (Canada)* The Eye Instrumental Version (4:42) = appears on The Eye computer game * This is the version I only recently discovered existed and have not yet heard. The "No Guitars" intrigues me, to say the least, as does the severe shortness of the track's time. |
| pittrek 09.07.2010 02:13 |
rhyeking wrote: Bored, I decided to try to see how I would have made the Singles Collection 1. Every disc has at least one "rare" track. Disc 1: Liar (US Edit) Doing All Right Disc 2: The Seven Seas Of Rhye See What A Fool I've Been Disc 3: Killer Queen Flick Of The Wrist (Dutch Single Version) Disc 4: Keep Yourself Alive (US Single Edit) Lily Of The Valley (US Single Version) God Save The Queen (US Single Version) Disc 5: Bohemian Rhapsody I'm In Love With My Car (UK Single Version) Disc 6: Tie Your Mother Down (Single Version) You And I Disc 7: Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy Death On Two Legs Tenement Funster (EP Version) White Queen (EP Version) Disc 8: It's Late (US Edit) Sheer Heart Attack Disc 9: Bicycle Race Fat Bottomed Girls (Single Version) Disc 10: Love Of My Life (Live) Now I'm Here (Live) Disc 11: We Will Rock You (Fast) (Live) Let Me Entertain You (Live) Disc 12: Crazy Little Thing Called Love Spread Your Wings (Live) Disc 13: Play The Game A Human BodyInteresting idea. I'm doing the same thing for myself, these are my first 13 discs Disc 1 Keep Yourself Alive (USA edit) Lily Of The Valley (US single version) God Save The Queen (US single version) Disc 2 Liar (USA edit) Doing Allright Disc 3 Seven Seas Of Rhye See What A Fool I've Been Funny How Love Is (UK 3" CD version) Disc 4 Seven Seas Of Rhye See What A Fool I've Been Funny How Love Is (Japan 3" CD version) Disc 5 Killer Queen Flick Of The Wrist (UK single version) Disc 6 Killer Queen Flick Of The Wrist (US single version) Disc 7 Killer Queen Flick Of The Wrist (UK 3" CD single version) Brighton Rock Disc 8 Now I'm Here Lily Of The Valley (single edit) Disc 9 Bohemian Rhapsody I'm In Love With My Car (single remix) Disc 10 You're My Best Friend '39 Disc 11 Somebody To Love White Man Disc 12 Tie Your Mother Down (single edit) You And I Disc 13 Teo Torriate (single edit) Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy |
| Wilki Amieva 09.07.2010 02:14 |
Single Version (4:33) = appears on QUEEN18 (7"/12"TC/CD) and "Greatest Hits II" As noted above, this version is not included on the Japan or UK CD5s. Also, there are at least three different promo cassettes similar to HINTS OF INNUENDO, each with a unique combination of edits and mixes. |
| rhyeking 09.07.2010 12:58 |
Wilki Amieva wrote: Single Version (4:33) = appears on QUEEN18 (7"/12"TC/CD) and "Greatest Hits II" As noted above, this version is not included on the Japan or UK CD5s. Also, there are at least three different promo cassettes similar to HINTS OF INNUENDO, each with a unique combination of edits and mixes. ================================== For those who don't know (I'm sure there are a few of you out there), QUEEN18 is the standard catalogue number for the "Headlong" single in the UK and specifically refers to the 7" single. QUEEN18 = 7" single TCQUEEN18 = Tape Cassette single 12QUEEN18 = 12" single CDQUEEN18 = CD single When Queen started using there own catalogue numbers, beginning with "Radio Ga Ga," they were more or less standardized as QUEEN(#), with different letters or numbers as a prefix, infix or suffix to denote the format. Most of the UK singles were released in at least two or three different formats. The mulititude of -fixes included: TC = Tape Cassette 12 = 12" single CD = CD single PD = Picture Disc DJ = DJ-only Promo S = Special CD single (usually part of a two-CD single set) LH = Limited Edition Promo There are a few others, but it sort of gets complicated, especially when Queen Productions uses combinations of -fixes. However, in collecting these and researching them, you do see the patteren quickly and appreciate the standardized nature of the system, as it lets you know the size, format and type of release your looking at, which is helpful if all you have to go on is the catalogue number. Here are the UK catalogue numbers starting with QUEEN1 "Radio Ga Ga": QUEEN1 = Radio Ga Ga QUEEN11 = Breakthru QUEEN22 = A Winter's Tale QUEEN2 = I Want To Break Free QUEEN12 = The Invisible Man QUEEN23 = Too Much Love Will Kill You QUEEN3 = It's A Hard Life QUEEN14 = Scandal QUEEN24 = Let Me Live QUEEN4 = Hammer To Fall QUEEN15 = The Miracle QUEEN25 = You Don't Fool Me QUEEN5 = Thank God It's Christmas QUEEN16 = Innuendo QUEEN26* = No One But You QUEEN6 = One Vision QUEEN17 = I'm Going Slightly Mad QUEEN27 = No One But You QUEEN7 = A Kind Of Magic QUEEN18 = Headlong QUEEN28 = Under Pressure (Rah Mix) QUEEN8 = Friends Will Be Friends QUEEN19 = The Show Must Go On QUEEN9 = Who Wants To Live Forever QUEEN20 = Bohemian Rhapsody/These Are The Days Of Our Lives QUEEN10 = I Want It All QUEEN21 = Heaven For Everyone * There's some confusion around this, as someone somewhere screwed up. In Holland, QUEEN26 was released, but not in the UK. When the UK got around to releasing "No One But You," they skipped QUEEN26 as a cat number and went straight to QUEEN27. So, technically, there is no official QUEEN26 in the UK catalogue. To make things more confusing, before QUEEN27 the UK had planned a 12" single of "No One But You" as 12QUEEN26, but it was never issued. Both 26 and 27 had slightly different track listing. 26 has "Princes Of The Universe" as the b-side and 27 has "Tie Your Mother Down (Single Version)." Otherwise, both use the same yellow Icarus artwork. And yes, there was no QUEEN13. I do hope Queen continues to use their catalogue numbers when they leave EMI and go to Universal. |
| Rick 09.07.2010 14:17 |
Greggypoo, I downloaded this box set. Please, spank me hard. I deserved it. |
| Wilki Amieva 09.07.2010 17:17 |
QUEEN26 was released in UK as a promo, just before they decided to cancel the commercial single, but the european issues bearing the QUEEN26 (in the cat number UK box) were already pressed, so it was logical to give a new number to the single when it was finally released in the UK. Besides, QUEEN27 is officially considered a double A-side: No-One But You/Tie Your Mother Down - so it is indeed a different release! By the way, QUEEN29 is the We Will Rock You/We Are The Champions/Bohemian Rhapsody promo sampler from THE PLATINUM COLLECTION re-issue in 2002. |
| rhyeking 09.07.2010 17:52 |
There was a CDQUEENDJ26, a one-track UK radio promo CD single which was withdrawn, as well. No matter how you look at it, the same song and essentially the same single should have maintained the same cat. no. Withdrawing promos and commercial releases happens all the time, but what was an organized system got screwed up. It's not the end of the world, but it is silly. And yes, I forgot CDQUEEN29 (do we call that a AAA side?). I did the list from memory. And yes, QUEEN27 was a AA with TYMD. For those curious, here's a which shows some of these singles. If you read the descriptions of the three middle singles, you'll see the catalogue numbers hard at work. You'll also see just how crazy the cataloging can get: CDQUEDJX27 link |
| Wilki Amieva 10.07.2010 17:30 |
For that matter, it got screwed up when they decided against QUEEN13! |
| Pim Derks 11.07.2010 03:46 |
Actually, there was a QUEEN13. It was going to be the Two Worlds Apart track, with the following tracklist 1) Two Worlds Apart 2) My Life Has Been Saved 3) Two Worlds Apart (Extended Version) Obviously this never got out, although someone seems to have a copy - a part of the track was available on YouTube for a while but has since been deleted. The My Life Has Been Saved track was reissued on the Scandal b-side as we all know. Around 1993/1994 Roger, Brian and John worked on Two Worlds Apart some more for possibile inclusion on Made In Heaven, but once again they decided against it :( |
| Darren1977 11.07.2010 04:32 |
Pim, i didn't know about that track you mentioned Two Worlds Apart. Do you have any more info on it such as author and was it intended for the Miracle? Thanks |
| Pim Derks 11.07.2010 05:56 |
Apparently it was originally started during the Barcelona sessions but in 1988 it was also recorded by Queen, with Freddie singing the lead vocals and Brian doing a short bridge about 3 minutes into the song. I think it didn't make the Miracle for the same reason that Too Much Love didn't - copyright/royalties. The original song was recorded as I said for the Barcelona album and featured some music/orchestration written by Mike Moran, so he probably wanted his name in the credits. |
| pittrek 11.07.2010 08:30 |
Did this song really exist ? I always though it's something like Deaky's Main In The Shadows album |
| rhyeking 11.07.2010 09:26 |
No, Pittrek, this song, "Two Worlds Apart" does not exist. The reason for avoiding QUEEN13 was purely superstitious. Guys, stop trying to confuse people by making up crap. It will come back to haunt us, because some idiot will assume that because it's on the Serious Discussion Forum that it must exist. He'll add a vague entry to some website like Wikipedia or his fan-site, then some other douche will say he heard part of the track at a Fan Club Con, just to sound like a know-it-all and the rest of us will spend years denying it's existence and it will distract us from the tracking of genuine songs written and recorded by Queen. The internet is a haven for the ignorant of the world and once a rumor starts here, it's impossible to destroy. Smarten up! |
| Pim Derks 11.07.2010 11:38 |
Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. |
| rhyeking 11.07.2010 12:05 |
Just so ten years from now, Pim, when we're trying discredit this bullshit, I decided to mark the non-existence of this recording beginning now. I did a Google search, thoroughly of the title "Two Worlds Apart" with Queen and all the band members names and Mike Moran and Barcelona and David Richards and everyone's name even remotely associated with Queen. Guess what came up, related to Queen: Sweet Fuck All! Nothing! If any record appears later on the internet, it will have been created after this incredibly stupid series postings in this thread. I can't believe we're even wasting out time on this! I'm finished with this bullshit item. Before I go, THIS is what can happen when dumbasses start making up songs WHICH NEVER EXISTED and they find their way into folklore! link Be excellent to each other and party on, dudes! |
| Wilki Amieva 11.07.2010 18:35 |
I agree with rhyeking. |
| FriedChicken 12.07.2010 09:12 |
Surely it was folklore that got us all excited about Let Me Live with Rod Stewart, Play the Game with one of the Gibb Brothers, Brother of Mine and, do I dare say, perhaps even Hangman? |
| FriedChicken 12.07.2010 09:12 |
Surely it was folklore that got us all excited about Let Me Live with Rod Stewart, Play the Game with one of the Gibb Brothers, Brother of Mine and, do I dare say, perhaps even Hangman? |
| rhyeking 12.07.2010 09:58 |
"Let Me Live" is a real song, which eventually appeared on Made In Heaven. I believe the Rod Stewart involvement was officially confirmed in the "Freddie Mercury: In His Own Words" book (can someone verify this?). "Hangman" was performed live by the band for years, there is no denying its existence. Reports exist of an studio version acetate from the Queen 1 period, though I've not heard this recording, I have no reason to doubt it because the source is reliable. "Play The Game" is a real song, though a version with Andy Gibb gets bandied around regularly. I don't know anyone who's heard this version and none of the reports feature an actual account or description, so it's quite possible the AG version is a myth. For myself, my notes list it as "possibly a version with Andy Gibb." I'm all for folklore, but it's only useful when it's based on FACT. When compiling my notes on demos/unreleased tracks, I make specific note of the source of the alledged track's identification and if its authenticity is murky, I list it as "possibly" or "unconfirmed". And I'm regularly revising my notes as new facts come to light. |
| rhyeking 12.07.2010 10:43 |
"Brother Of Mine"? "Friends In Pain"? I classify these as rumours. I've tried numerous times to follow the trail of when accounts of songs like this first appear and the trail goes cold in 2008. There's no original attribute either, no one saying: "yeah, they confirmed it at a a Fan Club Con" or "Brian mentioned it in an interview!" These song titles appear out of the blue, with a tag line like "from a reliable source!" without ever naming the source. "Friends In Pain" seems especially dubious to me because it's a attributed to John "circa 1986". It just reeks of someone looking at "Friends Will Be Friends" and "Pain Is So Close Pleasure" and then thinking that since John started the songs and Freddie finished them, they probably started off as one song and let's call that proto-song "Friends In Pain." We get reports of songs from places like Fan Club Cons, interviews, books and some are verifiable and some are not. We NEED to remain skeptical. When I hear about a recording or song I've never previously heard about, I demand proof. Cite an original source, people. If you have a copy, post an excerpt (or the whole thing :-). If you heard it at a Fan Club Con, there should be several independant witnesses posting the same thing. Many people should have heard it too. If it's in a book, name the book. If it's in an interview, post a transcript with details of the interview: who conducted it? was it TV, Radio, online? give us dates and times. Was it an old interview you read in a magazine? Again, give us dates. The fewer details I get, the more skeptical I become. And remember, we have been wrong in the past about demos and unreleased tracks, about who recorded them and when! That should make us more vigilant, not more blind to need to believe that the vault is a treasure trove unreleased wonders. More than likely, there are far fewer tracks in any state of relative completeness sitting in the vaults than we would like. What we're probably going to find is similar to what appeared in the FM Solo Collection: outtakes and demos of existing songs, a few fragments of incomplete ideas and not much more. |
| Wiley 12.07.2010 10:45 |
So, according to Pim (who surely MUST BE JOKING) basically Queen fully recorded Two Worlds Apart and DID NOT include it in their album; somewhere between their 3rd and 4th single release off that album they decided to Release it as a single, even to the point of assigning a catalog number to it, AND THEN decided against it?? Isn't it weird that there is no proof of this track's existence when it was (allegedly) ALMOST RELEASED as a single? There is a process involved, you know? Tracks get written, arranged, recorded, mastered, put on vinyl, the vinyl is put on cardboard/paper sleeves, shipped to stores, sold, withdrawn, etc. EACH step of the process leaves SOME evidence, a trail: a piece of paper with the lyrics/chords, some kind of recording (multitracks, demo cassette tape, acetates), actual vinyl records test pressed, cardboard/paper print proofs, newspaper/magazine ads, etc. For Pim's claims to be true (TWA lined up for single release) there would have to be TONS of evidence. Theoretically, the track might have existed as an idea in its writer's mind, an unrecorded jam session, a demo recording, etc., but THERE IS NO WAY IT GOT TO THE POINT TO BE CONSIDERED FOR A SINGLE RELEASE. :) |
| Pim Derks 12.07.2010 12:49 |
Maybe Greg Brooks can confirm the Two Worlds Apart story? |
| Wiley 12.07.2010 12:56 |
Pim Derks wrote: Maybe Greg Brooks can confirm the Two Worlds Apart story? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, NOW I know you're joking! :D Have a great day. |