| Soundfreak 03.03.2010 09:57 |
One of the strange things about Queen is - they never really gave an encore ! Maybe they have done so in their earliest days, but never once they went big. I do not consider those standard concert endings of returning twice with the WWRY/Champions finale a real encore. That was a planned part of the show and they always returned - even if the audience was rather silent. So - is there any known case of Queen returning on stage after "God save the Queen" ? Or the four of them deciding spontaneously on stage to play an extra song - although the show was already over? |
| Pim Derks 03.03.2010 11:47 |
There are very few bands as big as Queen who spontaneously do an extra song. Maybe a band like Led Zeppelin who AFAIK had lots of jamming in the set did, but acts like Genesis, U2 and more very probably have a 99.9% fixed setlist for each night which will not be changed unless a bandmember has a heartattack on stage ;) |
| The Real Wizard 03.03.2010 12:09 |
It's just the way it goes. Genesis always closed with Los Endos, Zeppelin was Stairway, Chicago always encored with 25 or 6 to 4 and I'm A Man, Bon Jovi does Livin' On A Prayer and Wanted Dead Or Alive, and Queen always did Rock You and Champions. When you're typecast with your hits, they have to come last. Fans crucified Bon Jovi for doing Wanted in the middle of a show a few years back. Bands like Rush are fortunate that they can get away without playing Tom Sawyer, YYZ, or The Spirit Of Radio. They play them anyway, but they don't have to because their fans are happy to hear just about anything. That's the plus side of being an album band. But most popular bands don't have that freedom. |
| bigV 04.03.2010 02:47 |
Metallica used to play until they dropped. They would do 3-4encores a night and that's on a slow night. Nowdays they do it like every other major band. In Queen's case it was really about tradition. The audience expects WWRY/WATCF/GSTQ at the end of a show. It gives them closure. V. |
| FriedChicken 04.03.2010 06:45 |
Soundfreak wrote: One of the strange things about Queen is - they never really gave an encore ! Maybe they have done so in their earliest days, but never once they went big. I do not consider those standard concert endings of returning twice with the WWRY/Champions finale a real encore. That was a planned part of the show and they always returned - even if the audience was rather silent. So - is there any known case of Queen returning on stage after "God save the Queen" ? Or the four of them deciding spontaneously on stage to play an extra song - although the show was already over? They did, only once. In 1976, they returned to the stage after God Save the Queen to play "Queen II" from beginning to end. On a bootleg you can here an audience member say to his pal: "What? They already did this song!" when White Queen starts. |
| Rubbersuit 04.03.2010 11:26 |
^^ You are a very bad man ^^ [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img] Springsteen does spontaneous encores still. He also still tours with a very basic stage and lightshow. I think as the lights / videos / effects get more and more sequenced the opportunity to be spontaneous goes away. U2 for example couldn't add a spontaneous song to their setlist if they wanted to because the whole concert is pre-programmed. The band just provides the soundtrack. |
| thunderbolt 31742 05.03.2010 01:51 |
Rubbersuit wrote: U2 for example couldn't add a spontaneous song to their setlist if they wanted to because the whole concert is pre-programmed. The band just provides the soundtrack. Most big bands today have this issue. The setlist is decided well in advance (which is why there's so little variation in setlists on tours these days). Think of it this way--if encores were truly spontaneous anymore, would there really be synchronized light shows and pyrotechnics? Modern music fans don't go to concerts just expecting the music anymore. They're also looking for the spectacle. This is a phenomenon that Queen did as much as anyone to create. If you're going by the classic definition of an "encore" as a spontaneous performance after the set had ended due to audience demand, then you'd be hard-pressed to find a band that truly does encores anymore. As Sir GH said, there are certain songs that fans expect to hear at the end of the show. One of my acquaintances went to a KISS show earlier this year, and the band played "Rock and Roll All Nite" at the end of the set proper, before the encores. A couple members of his party were actually getting up to leave, and complaining that the band wasn't going to do an encore. That's how ingrained a song's place at the end of the setlist becomes with big, cult-following types of bands. Queen fits into that group very well. If they were to play Rock You and Champions halfway through the set, what the heck else would they have closed with? If they skipped the two songs entirely, you'd still have fans there the next morning wondering when the guys were coming back out for the third encore. |
| cmsdrums 05.03.2010 07:38 |
I'm not so fussed about always closing with WWRY/WATC (after 1977 that is), but more annoyed about the fac that the setlist for most tours, no matter how good, was never varied as the tour rolled on. Love them or hate them, bands such as Bon Jovi mostly chop and change the set each night, and with a repetoire as vast and varied as Queen's, there was no real excuse not to have done that. |
| on my way up 05.03.2010 10:42 |
A fairly young reviewer (a woman) who reviewed the QPR-show in Antwerp in 2008 was not aware of the fact that Queen always ended their show with ' We are the champions'. ... She wrote how the audience wasn't even screaming for an encore....:-) Does anyone agree with me that you very seldom read good reviews? :-) Sorry for my quite off topic post. |
| The Real Wizard 05.03.2010 12:33 |
cmsdrums wrote: I'm not so fussed about always closing with WWRY/WATC (after 1977 that is), but more annoyed about the fac that the setlist for most tours, no matter how good, was never varied as the tour rolled on. I'd say it's about 50/50. Plenty of Queen tours had much experimentation. Minus the Jazz tour, 1977-1982 often didn't have the same setlist from night to night. But shifting around a few songs was usually the extent of it, as they were never the type to do a rolling setlist and have 40 songs in their arsenal. They just wanted to perfect their show for any given audience, assuming that most people only saw the band once. |
| bitesthedust 05.03.2010 14:13 |
Thunderbolt wrote:Rubbersuit wrote: U2 for example couldn't add a spontaneous song to their setlist if they wanted to because the whole concert is pre-programmed. The band just provides the soundtrack.Most big bands today have this issue. The setlist is decided well in advance (which is why there's so little variation in setlists on tours these days). Think of it this way--if encores were truly spontaneous anymore, would there really be synchronized light shows and pyrotechnics? Modern music fans don't go to concerts just expecting the music anymore. They're also looking for the spectacle. This is a phenomenon that Queen did as much as anyone to create. If you're going by the classic definition of an "encore" as a spontaneous performance after the set had ended due to audience demand, then you'd be hard-pressed to find a band that truly does encores anymore. As Sir GH said, there are certain songs that fans expect to hear at the end of the show. One of my acquaintances went to a KISS show earlier this year, and the band played "Rock and Roll All Nite" at the end of the set proper, before the encores. A couple members of his party were actually getting up to leave, and complaining that the band wasn't going to do an encore. That's how ingrained a song's place at the end of the setlist becomes with big, cult-following types of bands. Queen fits into that group very well. If they were to play Rock You and Champions halfway through the set, what the heck else would they have closed with? If they skipped the two songs entirely, you'd still have fans there the next morning wondering when the guys were coming back out for the third encore. For a few shows on The Game tour of 1980, Queen finished with Tie Your Mother Down. As for other closing songs - why not Bo Rhap? |
| princetom 05.03.2010 15:09 |
cough...cough did anybody notice the 'friends will be friends'-intermezzo back in '86 ? |
| thunderbolt 31742 05.03.2010 22:52 |
princetom wrote: cough...cough did anybody notice the 'friends will be friends'-intermezzo back in '86 ? So that's what that awful noise was? I thought it was just Freddie getting creative with the first verse of Champions! Like a Mustapha deal, only longer. No, actually, I liked the FWBF snippet played there. It worked well to throw the crowd a loop--kind of like closing the set proper with CLTCL did. Hell, if you live in Greg Brooks Land, they played Staying Power and Under Pressure in between Rock You and Champions once in '82. Closing out the whole show with TYMD was done a couple of times on the Game tour, yes, but they closed the set proper with Rock You and Champions. They basically switched the encores, not really any experimentation there. Closing the whole show with BoRap would've been odd. That song is, imo (and apparently in Queen's opinion too for most of their career), most effective as a showstopper before a high-energy number. The guys only closed the set proper with it twice that we know of, iirc. Once at the first show of the Jazz tour, and once during the Hot Space tour when they were tweaking the encores again. Speaking of the Hot Space tour, that's the most experimental the band ever got with the setlist. Look at how many changes they went through in the first two months of that tour. They opened with popular encore numbers a couple of times, kicked TYMD around like a Canadian baby, and couldn't decide quite where Liar fit in the set before dropping it altogether. Those are my favorite Queen shows to listen to, because you can almost see the discussions the guys must have been having after virtually every show about which songs fit best and where. |
| Soundfreak 06.03.2010 04:00 |
Thunderbolt wrote:
Speaking of the Hot Space tour, that's the most experimental the band ever got with the setlist. Look at how many changes they went through in the first two months of that tour. They opened with popular encore numbers a couple of times, kicked TYMD around like a Canadian baby, and couldn't decide quite where Liar fit in the set before dropping it altogether. Those are my favorite Queen shows to listen to, because you can almost see the discussions the guys must have been having after virtually every show about which songs fit best and where.
This tour was a very dangereous point in their career. When it started, the new album has not been released and even after the release many fans didn't like the new style. And the reactions to the new disco-flavoured tunes in concert were "ice-cold". So it's no surprise that they changed the set list very often to find the "best way" to get the audience warmed to the new songs. |
| Fireplace 06.03.2010 11:06 |
I remember them slipping in an impromptu version of '39 (mostly sung by the audience) in Leiden in 1984. I guess the acoustic set offered a bit more room for improvisation. |
| bitesthedust 07.03.2010 09:04 |
Thunderbolt wrote: Closing out the whole show with TYMD was done a couple of times on the Game tour, yes, but they closed the set proper with Rock You and Champions. They basically switched the encores, not really any experimentation there. Closing the whole show with BoRap would've been odd. That song is, imo (and apparently in Queen's opinion too for most of their career), most effective as a showstopper before a high-energy number. The guys only closed the set proper with it twice that we know of, iirc. Once at the first show of the Jazz tour, and once during the Hot Space tour when they were tweaking the encores again. Speaking of the Hot Space tour, that's the most experimental the band ever got with the setlist. Look at how many changes they went through in the first two months of that tour. They opened with popular encore numbers a couple of times, kicked TYMD around like a Canadian baby, and couldn't decide quite where Liar fit in the set before dropping it altogether. Those are my favorite Queen shows to listen to, because you can almost see the discussions the guys must have been having after virtually every show about which songs fit best and where. You're spot on regarding the Hot Space tour; as you state there were many setlist changes in the beginning and as a result, they were a few different songs used to close the set proper - Liar, Now I'm Here, Bo Rhap, etc. |
| Rubbersuit 09.03.2010 11:03 |
It's good to remember that they toured before the internet, where the next day every fan in the world could know exactly what was played and download the whole show on Youtube. Queen were very much about getting a "perfect" set and touring it around so fans all over could experience a well-rehearsed and polished show. |
| DanQueen2008 14.07.2010 12:26 |
Wrong! They did indeed do encores. Official Wembely Release for exapmle: 01. One Vision 02. Tie Your Mother Down 03. In The Lap Of The Gods...Revisited 04. Seven Seas Of Rhye 05. Tear It Up 06. A Kind Of Magic 07. Under Pressure 08. Another One Bites The Dust 09. Who Want's To Live Forever 10. I Want To Break Free 11. Impromptu 12. Guitar Solo 13. Now I'm Here 14. Love Of My Life 15. Is This The World We Created? 16. (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care 17. Hello Mary Lou (Goodbye Heart) 18. Tutti Frutti 19. Gimme Some Lovin' 20. Bohemian Rhapsody 21. Hammer To Fall 22. Crazy Little Thing Called Love ENCORE 23. Big Spender 24. Radio GaGa ENCORE 25. We Will Rock You 26. Friends Will Be Friends 27. We Are The Champions 28. God Save The Queen |
| Legy 14.07.2010 14:14 |
They didn't do a spontaneous encore. They planned to end the show with Rock You and Champions. I've seen Fleetwood Mac a few times and they did an encore. They came back and performed a different songs for every concert I attended. Last time they played in Houston they played Oh Well for one of their encores. Not bad considering Peter Green left Fleetwood Mac ages ago. |
| rhyeking 14.07.2010 14:38 |
The only live act I've seen regularly, repeatedly, over the last 15 years is Rush. One thing I love about their live sets is that they are not locked in to playing the 'popular' stuff each and every tour. When they get sick of a song, they drop it and make no apologies for it ("Closer To The Heart," for example, is their "WATC" in many ways and they stopped playing it for a few tours and only recently brought it back out). Not only that, every tour they mix up the set list, pulling out 20 year old album tracks, some never played live EVER. This current tour, which I saw the Toronto date last night (it kicked so much ass!), they were a) touring just for the hell of it (not promoting an album) and b) just before they started the tour, they released a single, old-school style, with an A-side and B-side...just because they felt like it! Two new Rush songs, out of nowhere (though it was widely known they're working on an album schedule for release a YEAR from now!), and c) they played their entire Moving Pictures album, front to back! It was mind-blowing! Take a moment and imagine Queen playing A Night At The Opera or Queen II in its entirety, album order, in the middle of the concert! Now, take a moment to wipe the drool off your chin. Queen's set lists were well-considered, but in many ways were trapped by their own hits. Sure, they gave the audience what they wanted and were concious of what they were doing. Technically, yes, they had encores, but when you step back and understand what they were doing, there is no way the show was done after CLTCL. It's funny to picture what might have happened if everyone just up and left after that and the band was backstage thinking, "Uh, okay, I guess we're done early tonight, boys!" If and when Queen tour again, with whichever line up, I think it would be awesome if they STARTED with WWRY & WATC! Because after that, they could go in any direction they wanted; play anything! Encores, when you're Queen, or Rush or U2, these days, is a tad self-indulgent. To "end" the show knowing the audience expects you to return to play your traditional closing numbers is kind of saying: "Yeah, we know you love us, but we just want to hear you say it!" But, we audience members go in knowing that, so it's become part of the tradition, in a way. |
| Holly2003 14.07.2010 14:42 |
DanQueen2008 wrote: Wrong! They did indeed do encores. Official Wembely Release for exapmle: 01. One Vision 02. Tie Your Mother Down 03. In The Lap Of The Gods...Revisited 04. Seven Seas Of Rhye 05. Tear It Up 06. A Kind Of Magic 07. Under Pressure 08. Another One Bites The Dust 09. Who Want's To Live Forever 10. I Want To Break Free 11. Impromptu 12. Guitar Solo 13. Now I'm Here 14. Love Of My Life 15. Is This The World We Created? 16. (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care 17. Hello Mary Lou (Goodbye Heart) 18. Tutti Frutti 19. Gimme Some Lovin' 20. Bohemian Rhapsody 21. Hammer To Fall 22. Crazy Little Thing Called Love ENCORE 23. Big Spender 24. Radio GaGa ENCORE 25. We Will Rock You 26. Friends Will Be Friends 27. We Are The Champions 28. God Save The Queen --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Err... maybe you should read the rest of the thread. |
| rhyeking 14.07.2010 15:00 |
Be gentle, Holly, he's a newbie. |
| Holly2003 14.07.2010 15:20 |
rhyeking wrote: Be gentle, Holly, he's a newbie. --------------------------------------------------------------- That is gentle! Especially as I've had a few and am feeling a little frisky ;) |
| rhyeking 14.07.2010 15:24 |
Haha... :-) |
| Rick 15.07.2010 02:39 |
A Queenfan once told me he attended a Queen show in 1975 (either SHA or ANATO, I cannot recall), where Queen played an instrumental excerpt of The Fairy Feller's Masterstroke. Not as an encore though, but by request. Whether this is true, I cannot confirm. |
| Planetgurl 15.07.2010 06:40 |
Rick wrote: A Queenfan once told me he attended a Queen show in 1975 (either SHA or ANATO, I cannot recall), where Queen played an instrumental excerpt of The Fairy Feller's Masterstroke. Not as an encore though, but by request. Whether this is true, I cannot confirm. Only part of it was played as part of the medley back then. It was part of the show though, not by request. |
| Benn 15.07.2010 09:04 |
Because of the reliance on elaborate light shows, Queen had to pre-plan their set list and, as a result, their sets became sterile and predictable. The beauty of a band like The Who was that because they didn't need any gimmicks to get their show across, they could afford to be spontaneaous and didn't need to keep to a schedule - and, as a result, if you got an encore, it was either because they didn't want to end the show or, the audience reaction was SO strong that they couldn't resist. |
| tcc 15.07.2010 09:18 |
I think in all shows, the encore songs are pre-planned and programmed as part of the show. There are strict working hours to be observed for the crew members and therefore the bands cannot perform beyond a certain time. |
| Benn 15.07.2010 10:11 |
tcc, Not necessarily so. A band's crew was a band's crew and not unionised. Therefore, they were at the beck and call of the band and it's schedule. What WAS and still is beyond a band's control are LOCAL issues regarding performance curfew restrictions. For example, the UK has always been strict on this given that many theatres are in residential areas and curfews are strictly set. In the US, the restrictions are few and far between, whereby someone like Zeppelin or Springsteen could happily knock out a 3 hour set finishing after midnight. |
| rhyeking 15.07.2010 11:03 |
The Touring Crew is likely made up of various different union personel under specific contracts. The Lighting Designer is part of the Designer's Union, for example and the same with audio. The contracts are pretty standard union-approved documents, listing what they're responsibilities are. The guys who load in and load out the show, doing the heavy lifting, are different unions as well. IATSI's local would cover the assembly and disassembly of the equipment and lighting and sound (inside the venue). Stevedores would load the gear in and out of the venue and on and off the trucks. Shipping company is responsible at the point the gear is on the trucks. Plus, it's pretty standard now to have three full production's worth of equipment during a tour, each leap frogging from venue to venue. While A is tearing down the last show, B is already set up for tonight's and C is setting up for tomorrow's show, and once A is done the tear down (the show strike) it goes to the venue playing two nights from now...and on and on. |
| Benn Kempster 15.07.2010 15:27 |
Rhyeking, Great post - thanks for that. |
| rhyeking 15.07.2010 16:56 |
Some more information on how concerts and tours work. The band annouces to promoters that they plan to do a tour. Every city everywhere has a handful of promoters, each having carved their little slice ofthe concert season. Some promoters do small venues. Some do big venues. Some do only pop acts, like Britney Spears or Lady GaGa. Others do Classic Rock, like U2 or AC/DC. Often it's radio stations who are the promoters, or co-promoters. That's why you see: Q107 presents RUSH at the Air Canada Centre! So, the band, via the country's record company, announce to promoters that they's going to tour for the new album. Almost all local promoters jump on it and give a list of dates different venues are available. The Tour Manager figures out how best to hit the cities on at least one of their available dates. Sometimes, it just can't happen, which is why a fan bangs his head against the wall saying, "Why are they not playing Denver this summer? I have to go all the way to Boulder? Why?" The answer, because other acts are taking up the space and the Tour Manager couldn't fit Denver in. If the demand is such that Denver fans really want the band there, occassionally the band can squeeze a date in at the end of the tour...maybe...if they feel like it. So, the Tour Manager does his best to fit in as many dates and cities as possible. Bands like Rush or Queen or U2 usually say things like: make it two days on, one day off, three days on, two days off. Smaller, younger bands can go for weeks without days off, but that's paying your dues. It's what they wanted, right? Anyway, the occasional day off also allows, if the band is willing, to squeeze in a second date at a venue if there's a demand (the promoter will know well in advance as tickets sell out). Once the Tour Schedule is set, the band annouce the tour, which is the first whiff the fans get. The local promoter (again, usually a radio station) puts up posters sent from the band's office, listing the date(s) and time and venue, and fans buy tickets. The band will have what's called a Rider, which is sent to a promoter to insure the venue can accommodate them and their gear and their light show and sound. Problems pop up if the promoter either hasn't done his homework or gets greedy, not wanting to miss booking this band...even if it means booking them in a venue which can't support them properly. It's bad business for the promoter, but it does happen. The band may try to make it work and go on anyway, but if the venue is just so inadequate that they feel they can't, the concert gets cancelled. This pisses fans off and they assume it's the band's fault. It's usually not. Just hope and pray you can get the money back for your $120 ticket (you probably won't). Where does the money go? If the promoter is that unscrupulous, into his pocket. He won't give the band their cut if they're not going onstage, so lawyers get called and management steps in and you can believe the band ain't going to work with that douchebag promoter again! If he's the only game in town, too bad for that city, they'll probably never see the band there again. Also on the rider are things like what food and dressing room accommodations the band insist on. These can be anywhere from totally reasonable (snack platters, drinks, fruit & veggies, pizza) to totally insane (fresh smoked Canadian Salmon served only on a silver platter with escargot placed at intervals of 3 and a half inches around the circumference of the platter and Lay's Sour Creme And Onion potato chips, served by a woman no taller than 5'5"...no substitutions). That's what happens to some people when fame goes to their head. So, as you're buying your ticket, that's a little of what's gone on beforehand. |
| thunderbolt 31742 15.07.2010 21:58 |
I remember browsing a few band riders some years ago when they were published on The Smoking Gun's website following some big controversy over whether certain equipment was specified on a band's rider or not. Among the more memorable items I found: 1. Any venue booking the Wallflowers may make no reference to Jakob Dylan being Bob Dylan's son. Ever. 2. One band (I think it was the Foo Fighters, but I could be very wrong) insists on having a bowl of M&M's in their dressing room--with all the green M&M's picked out. 3. One band specified that they required two dressing rooms--one to prep for the show and relax in, and one with a king-size bed, stereo sound system and lights on a dimmer switch. Hmmm... 4. The Foo Fighters specified that signs must be clearly marked indicating where the catering will be located, as "Fat Roadies need to eat so they can start their grueling 90-minute workday!" |
| emrabt 16.07.2010 00:33 |
Thunderbolt most of those silly things like M&M are put into Riders to make sure they are fully read. There’s logic to the madness, if a rider’s not fully followed it probably means other instructions haven’t been followed, which could lead to equipment being damaged or damaging a person / venue. |
| Sunshine 16.07.2010 05:22 |
Aerosmith is doing real encores. The amount of songs differs per tour and per gig. Plus the setlist is quite variable. Last May, they forgot to put in 'Crazy' in the setlist and that one was played after the band did the 'normal' encores. Fantastic live band, Aerosmith, you have to see them live once you still have the chance now.. |
| rhyeking 18.07.2010 23:13 |
Crazy Amazing Crying Three hit singles of the same song! Marketing genius. |
| Sunshine 19.07.2010 06:58 |
rhyeking wrote: Crazy Amazing Crying Three hit singles of the same song! Marketing genius. Ah that is not true, they are different songs with different themes. Then you can also say that Save Me and Who Wants To Live Forever are the same, which is not the case. But if you think of these songs when you think of Aerosmith then you need to dig a bit deeper for the real gems. Check out songs like Toys In The Attic, Kings & Queens, Back In The Saddle, Nobody's Fault, Mama Kin, Draw The Line, Last Child, Sick As A Dog, Sweet Emotion and so on...that is the true Aerosmith. Too bad they made songs like I Don't Want To Miss A Thing and so on...they are terrible. |
| The Real Wizard 19.07.2010 08:58 |
Sunshine wrote: "Ah that is not true, they are different songs with different themes. Then you can also say that Save Me and Who Wants To Live Forever are the same, which is not the case." Cryin' and Crazy are the same tempo, same key, and have similar melodies. So you're right about Amazing being compared to either one of them. Honestly, whenever I hear Crazy and it gets to the pre-chorus, I expect the chorus of Cryin' because they're just so similar. Personally, I think Cryin' is by far the best of the three songs, and dare I say one of the best pop songs of the 90s. ...although Joe Perry's solo in Crazy is oh so sweet. |
| rhyeking 19.07.2010 09:38 |
Honestly, I'm not much of an Aerosmith fan, and any Aerosmith I listen to tends to be from the '70s. However, I'm not the only one who thought they sounded similar (or the same). Adam Sandler had a bit on SNL where he sung a mash-up of the three that went something like: "Crazy and Amazing, Amazing and I'm Crying!" And on and on... Plus, all three had Alicia Silverstone, so on MuchMusic, I never knew which one I was watching (admittedly, I didn't much care). |
| Amazon 19.07.2010 14:16 |
rhyeking wrote: "Honestly, I'm not much of an Aerosmith fan, and any Aerosmith I listen to tends to be from the '70s" Me too, although I only really listen to two of their songs; Dream On and Walk This Way. Those two songs (especially Dream On) remain IMO among the greatest rock songs of all time. However those two songs aside, I don't particularly like Aerosmith. |
| The Real Wizard 19.07.2010 18:18 |
Give 'Rocks' a try. While all their early albums are great, Rocks is probably their best. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 19.07.2010 23:52 |
Pink Floyd only did a few surprise third encores very few times. On the 1977 Animals tour, they did "Careful With That Axe Eugene" as a third encore. Then on the last gig in Montreal they did "More Blues" without David Gilmour who was p*ssed off at the way he played that night. On the Momentary Lapse tour early for a number of shows, "Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts 1-5)" was a surprise third encore before the band moved it to beginning of show replacing "Echoes" and "Run Like Hell" was permanent encore. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 20.07.2010 00:01 |
I also forgot to mention, David Gilmour jumbled the tracklisting of his On an Island album on his last solo tour. Plus would switch songs nightly ("Wots...Uh the Deal", "Fat Old Sun", "Wearing the Inside Out", "Dominoes" (a Syd Barrett tune), "Dark Globe" (another Syd Barrett tune), "Coming Back to Life", "On the Turning Away" and "A Great Day For Freedom") and even played songs from before his time with Pink Floyd ("Arnold Layne", "Astronomy Domine") and then of course he had to play "Breathe"/"Time (with Breathe Reprise)", "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", "Echoes", "Wish You Were Here", "Comfortably Numb". Then on shows David Crosby and Graham Nash appeared to sing on some of On an Island's tunes and "Shine On" they also did "Find The Cost of Freedom". Pink Floyd changed the setlist nightly on The Division Bell Tour as well. In Norway, they did "Marooned" once. Also, many shows had Dark Side in its entirety as second set. Other shows saw "Astronomy Domine" open shows. |
| Sunshine 20.07.2010 02:49 |
Sir GH wrote: Sunshine wrote: "Ah that is not true, they are different songs with different themes. Then you can also say that Save Me and Who Wants To Live Forever are the same, which is not the case." Cryin' and Crazy are the same tempo, same key, and have similar melodies. So you're right about Amazing being compared to either one of them. Honestly, whenever I hear Crazy and it gets to the pre-chorus, I expect the chorus of Cryin' because they're just so similar. Personally, I think Cryin' is by far the best of the three songs, and dare I say one of the best pop songs of the 90s. ...although Joe Perry's solo in Crazy is oh so sweet. Nice to see you can enjoy Aerosmith, i am a big fan next to Queen. You are right about Crazy and Cryin', they are alike. It also doesnt help both were on the Get A Grip album and the 2 video's were similar with Alicia Silverstone. Well, it worked at the time and I also like Cryin'. Great chord progressions, great emotion, great singing like no one else can, great video...it really fitted at the time. I always disliked Crazy because of its sweetness...but now i listen to it as a country song. In a different arrangement, it could be really cool. It is not a bad song. But yeah, if you know 'Rocks', you know what Aerosmith is all about. Back In The Saddle is such an awesome song, in my personal top 3 songs all time of all bands. The vocals are amazing, the drums, guitar, bass...everything becomes one and lifts the song to the sky...When Steven Tyler comes in and screams: I am baaaaaaaaaaaaaack!! Fantastic. And then it gets so cool in the end when he goes: ridin' HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH.. Come on guys, give it a try and get your prejustices of Aerosmith out of the way...they are not a Bon Jovi...really:) And Aerosmith is one of the VERY few bands that are live much better than on the record. It is just an experience... |
| rhyeking 20.07.2010 10:07 |
I like and respect Aerosmith much more than Bon Jovi. JBJ, please stop equating yourself to a cowboy. You're from New Jersey. A motorcycle is not a horse. Yeah, you wrote the "Young Guns II" theme, but that makes you a gunslinger just as much "Flash Gordon" makes Queen astronauts. Hmm... Freddie MERCURY Flash Gordon Star Fleet Project Fun In Space Strange Frontier "Bang!" book Brian's Astronomy Ph.D. The Cosmos Rocks Dammit! Fine, JBJ, keep singing about your inner cowboy and touring with Kid Rock. Just don't expect me to care. |
| The Real Wizard 20.07.2010 10:54 |
Sunshine wrote: "The vocals are amazing, the drums, guitar, bass...everything becomes one and lifts the song to the sky...When Steven Tyler comes in and screams: I am baaaaaaaaaaaaaack!! Fantastic. And then it gets so cool in the end when he goes: ridin' HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH.." Ha.. I must say, that's the best text version of a song I've ever read. Saddle is one of my all-time favourite rock songs too. Incredible intro. |
| Rick 21.07.2010 14:53 |
Planetgurl wrote: Rick wrote: A Queenfan once told me he attended a Queen show in 1975 (either SHA or ANATO, I cannot recall), where Queen played an instrumental excerpt of The Fairy Feller's Masterstroke. Not as an encore though, but by request. Whether this is true, I cannot confirm. Only part of it was played as part of the medley back then. It was part of the show though, not by request. That is Black Queen, NOT Master Stroke ;-) |
| rhyeking 21.07.2010 17:22 |
The most common recording featuring this medley is their Hammersmith Odeon Xmas Eve show of 1975. It deserves a proper release, even if the video is incomplete! |