| L-R-TIGER1994 21.02.2010 12:15 |
Since I received some personal messages from some people about solo work,I can torrent more 10 shows by Roger from the 1995 Happiness Tour and the 1999 Electric Fire Tour(only mp3 until someone posts the corresponding FLAC version)The shows I can share are: Roger Taylor Happiness Tour 95 in Italy: Monfalcone Schio Genova Cesena Firenze Palermo Napoli Roger Taylor Electric Fire Tour 99 in the UK: Any opinions?anyone likes them? |
| hitman1502 21.02.2010 12:27 |
Please share it all. I,m shure hundrets of Zoners like it. |
| bigV 21.02.2010 12:35 |
Please do! The solo-shows are somewhat underexposed here :) V. |
| greataddict 21.02.2010 15:11 |
definitely second that! cheers! |
| people on streets 21.02.2010 17:10 |
I don't want to start another lossy vs. lossless topic, but let me state this clear: SHARING MP3 SOURCED FILES / SHARING LOSSY FILES = SHARING INFERIOR QUALITY = DISRESPECTING TAPERS (WHO DID THEIR BEST TO RECORD THE BEST POSSIBLE QUALITY. Go share your lossy sourced recordings elsewhere. I'm sure hundreds of Queenzoners aren't interested in them. |
| L-R-TIGER1994 21.02.2010 22:03 |
Ok then,I'll be waiting for you to share them in higher quality. |
| The Real Wizard 21.02.2010 22:10 |
I'm all in favour of lossless over lossy in virtually every situation. But if a lossless copy isn't available, then mp3 is fine in the meantime. At least people get to hear it, i.e. the copy of Rosario 81 that was shared here last year. Whenever possible (which is 99% of the time), mp3 will weed itself out as the better versions become available. I'm also in complete favour of respecting the tapers. But in most cases, if they care enough, they'll circulate their masters themselves if they can/want to. After that, if someone shares it in mp3, then I'll agree that it's disrespecting the taper. |
| Mkls 22.02.2010 05:56 |
people on streets wrote: I don't want to start another lossy vs. lossless topic, but let me state this clear: SHARING MP3 SOURCED FILES / SHARING LOSSY FILES = SHARING INFERIOR QUALITY = DISRESPECTING TAPERS (WHO DID THEIR BEST TO RECORD THE BEST POSSIBLE QUALITY. Go share your lossy sourced recordings elsewhere. I'm sure hundreds of Queenzoners aren't interested in them. and hundreds of Queenzoners might be interested in them. You go and share your lossless recordings or go elsewhere - idiot! |
| bigV 22.02.2010 06:20 |
Miklos wrote:What he said! V.people on streets wrote: I don't want to start another lossy vs. lossless topic, but let me state this clear: SHARING MP3 SOURCED FILES / SHARING LOSSY FILES = SHARING INFERIOR QUALITY = DISRESPECTING TAPERS (WHO DID THEIR BEST TO RECORD THE BEST POSSIBLE QUALITY. Go share your lossy sourced recordings elsewhere. I'm sure hundreds of Queenzoners aren't interested in them.and hundreds of Queenzoners might be interested in them. You go and share your lossless recordings or go elsewhere - idiot! |
| people on streets 22.02.2010 10:16 |
L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: Ok then,I'll be waiting for you to share them in higher quality. I have Genova 1995.01.18 from the master. No time to share it tough. Good luck with your lossy shares. |
| people on streets 22.02.2010 10:18 |
Miklos wrote:people on streets wrote: I don't want to start another lossy vs. lossless topic, but let me state this clear: SHARING MP3 SOURCED FILES / SHARING LOSSY FILES = SHARING INFERIOR QUALITY = DISRESPECTING TAPERS (WHO DID THEIR BEST TO RECORD THE BEST POSSIBLE QUALITY. Go share your lossy sourced recordings elsewhere. I'm sure hundreds of Queenzoners aren't interested in them.and hundreds of Queenzoners might be interested in them. You go and share your lossless recordings or go elsewhere - idiot! I shared more than you ever did Miklos. I suggest you shut your big arrogant mouth about sharing until you share some of your own recordings. Idiot! |
| Mkls 22.02.2010 10:35 |
people on streets wrote:L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: Ok then,I'll be waiting for you to share them in higher quality.I have Genova 1995.01.18 from the master. No time to share it tough. Good luck with your lossy shares. Genova was shared from the master last year here on QZ. The other 6 concerts were not shared so far in any form |
| Mkls 22.02.2010 10:42 |
people on streets wrote:Miklos wrote:I shared more than you ever did Miklos. I suggest you shut your big arrogant mouth about sharing until you share some of your own recordings. Idiot!people on streets wrote: I don't want to start another lossy vs. lossless topic, but let me state this clear: SHARING MP3 SOURCED FILES / SHARING LOSSY FILES = SHARING INFERIOR QUALITY = DISRESPECTING TAPERS (WHO DID THEIR BEST TO RECORD THE BEST POSSIBLE QUALITY. Go share your lossy sourced recordings elsewhere. I'm sure hundreds of Queenzoners aren't interested in them.and hundreds of Queenzoners might be interested in them. You go and share your lossless recordings or go elsewhere - idiot! people on streets: you came into the topic with wide and arrogant mouth, without offering anything - so we should probably talk about YOUR big arrogant mouth, no?? As for my recordings, old chap, about 20 of my recordings are circulating widely and countless hours videos. You better SHUT THE FUCK UP , unless you deleted my recordings which you have in your collection. Fucking idiot. And why the new nickname? Was your old one too arrogant to bear anymore? |
| people on streets 22.02.2010 11:48 |
Correct me if I'm wrong Mikos but you have never shared one of your recordings over here or on dimeadozen. A slow internet connection is a weak excuse. You could also ask someone else to share them for you. Show me one topic in wich you shared / asked someone to share your recordings and I will take my words back. About the new nickname: I prefer this one instead of mrducksoup. I tried to change the name from my mrducksoup account but after several attempts I was thinking that creating a new account might as well be easier. You did spot it quit early though. Good work Sherlock :-) ! About your recordings: I don't care about them and never watch them. No worries: I won't share them. After all, that's your main concern isn't it? Have a nice day! |
| lfvdh 22.02.2010 19:17 |
hello to you all..., all this friendly talking to each other is very nice and all.... (spread the love people) but i am one of those 100 people who would like to have those concerts although they are in mp3 i dont mind... so L-R-TIGER1994 please share those concerts i dont want to step on anybodys toes or anything but i really would like to hear those concerts. with the upmost respect to all you tapers and uploaders without all of you we all would have less thxz |
| benelui 23.02.2010 01:13 |
I agree! You can say it's a pity these concerts are only available as mp3. But everybody will be happier to share them as mp3 than not to share them at all!!! Therefore I can only say thank you very much indeed! [img=/images/smiley/msn/shades_smile.gif][/img] L |
| deleted user 23.02.2010 10:07 |
I have asked many times for Miklos to share the cross video from Geneva, or indeed anyone else who has it. No luck so far although it was promised. Still, I live in hope [img=/images/smiley/msn/sad_smile.gif][/img] |
| Mkls 24.02.2010 16:50 |
kurgan100 wrote: I have asked many times for Miklos to share the cross video from Geneva, or indeed anyone else who has it. No luck so far although it was promised. Still, I live in hope [img=/images/smiley/msn/sad_smile.gif][/img] kurgan: There were 20+ persons in the 'vine' , all QZers - what are they doing? Why its only me (who organised, remastered, distributed etc) can make the share ? HELLO OUT THERE -where are the rest of the vine??? people on streets: disappointed mrducksoup... concerts coming from me: Budapest 86 (full concert) - audio + video my recordings: Budapest 93 (full audio / 50 mins video) Gosport 94 Budapest 98 audio Munich 98 audio London 98 audio Milan 98 audio Norwich 99 audio Nottingham 99 audio London 99 audio Cambridge 99 audio QPR - Munich 2005. video + audio ALL and i mean ALL are circulating out there for 10-15 years (not QPR 2005 obviously!) - the ones who have copies can equally share them. Several other shows (mostly solo) are on video are out there ONLY BECAUSE i tracked down the original taper in dallas, or tokyo, or milwaukee, or wherever else in the world. You think I have not shared in QZ - i say I had a big input in the collectors world in the last 15 years - do not tell me what to share until you also hoard your own fair share of Queen rarities. |
| Mkls 24.02.2010 16:57 |
"people on streets wrote:
About the new nickname: I prefer this one instead of mrducksoup. I tried to change the name from my mrducksoup account but after several attempts I was thinking that creating a new account might as well be easier. You did spot it quit early though. Good work Sherlock :-) !"
There was no need for detective work. The style tells everything in 2 seconds. |
| people on streets 24.02.2010 19:27 |
Miklos wrote:kurgan100 wrote: I have asked many times for Miklos to share the cross video from Geneva, or indeed anyone else who has it. No luck so far although it was promised. Still, I live in hope [img=/images/smiley/msn/sad_smile.gif][/img]kurgan: There were 20+ persons in the 'vine' , all QZers - what are they doing? Why its only me (who organised, remastered, distributed etc) can make the share ? HELLO OUT THERE -where are the rest of the vine??? people on streets: disappointed mrducksoup... concerts coming from me: Budapest 86 (full concert) - audio + video my recordings: Budapest 93 (full audio / 50 mins video) Gosport 94 Budapest 98 audio Munich 98 audio London 98 audio Milan 98 audio Norwich 99 audio Nottingham 99 audio London 99 audio Cambridge 99 audio QPR - Munich 2005. video + audio ALL and i mean ALL are circulating out there for 10-15 years (not QPR 2005 obviously!) - the ones who have copies can equally share them. Several other shows (mostly solo) are on video are out there ONLY BECAUSE i tracked down the original taper in dallas, or tokyo, or milwaukee, or wherever else in the world. You think I have not shared in QZ - i say I had a big input in the collectors world in the last 15 years - do not tell me what to share until you also hoard your own fair share of Queen rarities. 1 Those shows are circulating because you taped and traded them. You didn't share them. The only reason Munich 2005 is circulating is because of the fact that someone broke a rule. Not because you wanted it to circulate. 2 On the other hand: You clearly state in your post that: "the ones who have copies can equally share them". That's a nice gesture! If those copies are from the master those shares would be a nice contrubution to the Queen community. If not, maybe you could provide someone with copies of the masters to share them over here or on dime. Great! You call me "disappointed mrducksoup". Yes. I am disappointed! I do hoard my queen rarities because of people like you. That was always my reason to hoard to begin with. From early on I was told that's how it works in this queen trading community in order to get acces to new footage/concerts. And it did work: that's reason you and me could do a trade in the first place. Maybe hoarding still works to a certain degree, but in this day and age with fantastic internet dowloads available for free to everyone (Boston 77 being the latest example) I don't think hoarding gives the best benefits for all within a fan community. Working together in the community enables us to see and hear much more rarities than any individual hoarder will ever have in his or hers collection. Remember Cologne 2005? You didn't shot much footage, I didn't have much editing skills but by working together we both ended up with the product we wanted. That's what I mean. I have collected Queen concert photographs for a while but after seeing the amount of photographs that are being donated to queenlive.ca and queenconcerts.com I began to realise that working together is the best way to go. There's no way I could have collected all those photographs in my own, I don't have time for that! But the fact that all fans / photographers contributed their little bit to those websites now makes it possible for everyone to enjoy these pictures. Isn't that great? A individual taper can't visit and film a complete tour in his own. By working together the complete tour can be covered and made available for everyone. Cologne 05 was great, but it can be done on a much greater scale too. There are some U2 concerts that were shot by no less than 16 different people in the audience. NIN fans do the same too. Of course, there a hoarders in those communities too. But there are happening a lot of nice things there as well. I truly believe working together is the best for all in the end. Maybe that's naive. I don't know. I admit, it's hard to let go a rare show or a show I've taped. But in the end I realised that's what most reasonable people did and that's the way a collection is being build over the years. People who taped queen in the 70's are letting their masters go for all of us to enjoy. We can do something back. I'm willing to donate my 8mm for a fan made rarities compilation if other people are willing to do the same. You could contribute too. By working together it could be a far more exciting release than Queen productions has offered us the last couple of years. It might be difficult to let go, but I think the end the results could be amazing for everyone and change this community a little bit. |
| The Real Wizard 24.02.2010 22:46 |
Best post ever. A video compilation project sounds good to me. If we include everything up to 1981, it should be about 4 hours of 8mm footage alone. I'll chip in as long as plenty of others are willing to chip in too. We know who all the big players are, so it's time for everyone to do their part instead of taking all of these generous shares without giving back. Virtually every other trading community has proven that sharing only leads to more sharing. Trading stuff 10 years ago is not sharing in today's sense of the word, because there was usually no confirmed lineage back then. Sharing masters is how you clean up the waters. Look at what it has led to in the last year alone.. Cologne 74, Boston 76, Nagoya 76, Boston 77, Seattle 77, Sun City 84 (probably not a master, but close enough), and every Brussels show from the 80s. It's time to do the same for video now. |
| pittrek 25.02.2010 01:49 |
We can do something back. I'm willing to donate my 8mm for a fan made rarities compilation if other people are willing to do the same. You could contribute too. By working together it could be a far more exciting release than Queen productions has offered us the last couple of years. It might be difficult to let go, but I think the end the results could be amazing for everyone and change this community a little bit. Somebody called me ? :-) |
| Mkls 25.02.2010 03:42 |
Sir GH wrote: Best post ever. A video compilation project sounds good to me. If we include everything up to 1981, it should be about 4 hours of 8mm footage alone. I'll chip in as long as plenty of others are willing to chip in too. We know who all the big players are, so it's time for everyone to do their part instead of taking all of these generous shares without giving back. Virtually every other trading community has proven that sharing only leads to more sharing. Trading stuff 10 years ago is not sharing in today's sense of the word, because there was usually no confirmed lineage back then. Sharing masters is how you clean up the waters. Look at what it has led to in the last year alone.. Cologne 74, Boston 76, Nagoya 76, Boston 77, Seattle 77, Sun City 84 (probably not a master, but close enough), and every Brussels show from the 80s. It's time to do the same for video now. With all my respect towards SIr GH and his shares in the recent years, when it comes to discussing trading the end result is always HYPOCRISY. There will never be such thing as no trading only sharing. Besides, allow me to say you dont know who "all the big players are" -unless you know who is sitting on Wembley 86 rehearsals, or Palermo 95, or Winterthur 93, or Tokyo 79 full show with one camera, or Bob Harris interviews, or Monterrey 81, or Rotterdam 78, or 'Bo Rhap outtakes' and countless hours of other videos hoarded . mrducksoup aka people on streets: I did not set the trading rules either, I follow them - just like you did in the last years. |
| brians wig 25.02.2010 04:13 |
It would be great if someone out there who is organised could provide a list of all the interviews and TV appearances around the world, in order, then we can all get together and provide the best quality footage for editing into comprehensive "Queen Scrapbooks". I'm doing that now, but my collection certainly isn't comprehensive and in this day of internet sharing I'm having to reject so much shit that's coming from youtube or VCD and even DVD's crammed full of hours of stuff that's obviously come from an original source but now artefacts like mad because of low bitrates. So. If anyone has any VHS masters and are willing to copy onto DVD at the highest setting possible (or bluray as DV AVI's), that's the place to start... |
| pittrek 25.02.2010 04:42 |
I'm doing that now, but my collection certainly isn't comprehensive and in this day of internet sharing I'm having to reject so much shit that's coming from youtube or VCD and even DVD's crammed full of hours of stuff that's obviously come from an original source but now artefacts like mad because of low bitrates. Ouch :-) |
| people on streets 25.02.2010 08:43 |
Miklos wrote:With all my respect towards SIr GH and his shares in the recent years, when it comes to discussing trading the end result is always HYPOCRISY. There will never be such thing as no trading only sharing. Besides, allow me to say you dont know who "all the big players are" -unless you know who is sitting on Wembley 86 rehearsals, or Palermo 95, or Winterthur 93, or Tokyo 79 full show with one camera, or Bob Harris interviews, or Monterrey 81, or Rotterdam 78, or 'Bo Rhap outtakes' and countless hours of other videos hoarded . mrducksoup aka people on streets: I did not set the trading rules either, I follow them - just like you did in the last years. @Miklos: Of course I know you didn't set the rules just like I didn't. i acknowlage the fact that hoarding will always be part of people system: Communism doesn't work. We already had a whole topic filled about that issue last year. But I also do know that you are one of the collectors out there who could make a contribution to make things a little different. Maybe some of the other 'big players' are reading this topic too and are willing to contribute in this project. It could be great if we all contribute some nice footage. Again: we don;t need queen productions for that if we are willing to work together. My alternative is to forget about this offer, sit on the 8mm for a decade and sell it to queen productions or a private collector in the end. No one will benefit from that. |
| deleted user 25.02.2010 08:44 |
Does all this mean somebody will finally share Cross Geneva DVD by Miklos? |
| pittrek 25.02.2010 08:54 |
kurgan100 wrote: Does all this mean somebody will finally share Cross Geneva DVD by Miklos? Strange that nobody claims to have it ... |
| deleted user 25.02.2010 10:26 |
pittrek wrote:kurgan100 wrote: Does all this mean somebody will finally share Cross Geneva DVD by Miklos?Strange that nobody claims to have it ... Well here's the cover for it which also shows the lineage, somebody must have it to share. http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1802/wqdvd01artworklz1.jpg I'd also be interested to see this version of Meltdown promised by Miklos MIKLOS QUOTE I post a sample of my version (lineage: TV broadcast ->master vhs (1987) -> 1st vhs copy from trade, with mono HiFi sound -> JVC SVHS player - >Canopus ADVC300 -> DV AVI -> NeatVideo filter -> HQ AVI -> Procoder 3.0 ->2pass mastering quality-> mpeg2 file as VOB - 7800 mbit/s video, PCM audio). Audio not altered (PCM 16kbit) sample: link I am not downloading Kurgans version, but if you find my version superior, I will share it sooner or later ( dont ask for immediate share, i am busy with other things in life and due to moving flats all my vhs are in boxes stored away - I found this AVI on my HDD from an earlier test capture I did. I still want to regrab it from VHS, and make tiny remastering with the colours, this one has too much green colour etc etc - that might be the ultimate version for a while (unless RT releases a boxed set or someone provides a Thames TV copy!) |
| The Real Wizard 25.02.2010 11:24 |
Miklos wrote: There will never be such thing as no trading only sharing. I did not set the trading rules either, I follow themBut when enough people go against the rules, the rules die away. Unlike actual law, there is nobody upholding these rules. The players involved are the only ones who can make the difference. Besides, allow me to say you dont know who "all the big players are" Naturally it's impossible to know everyone who has rarities. What I meant to say was, there are enough of them who are members of this forum alone (never mind elsewhere) who could make such a project a huge success. It's 2010. The old-fashioned, cut-throat style of collecting is dying away in this era of online sharing. Of course there will always be hoarding, as someone will always want to gain more for themselves at the expense of others. But what we're seeing here is someone taking the first brave step towards something that will benefit everyone in the end. Others are welcome to follow. |
| Queenrockyou 25.02.2010 15:46 |
I truly believe working together is the best for all in the end. Maybe that's naive. I don't know. Well, we're two naive people here at least, then !! I won't call it naive, but optimistic. Unity, generosity and friendship are good values that everybody shares, I'm quite sure with that. Everyone at his own level, but when the results of cooperation show something good happening, then it is just an encouraging sign of what we could do. I surely ain't the biggest contributor here, nor do I hoard anything, the only things I don't share are the recordings I was asked not to share, and that quite pisses me off to be honest, even if I respect rules as they are given to me. In exchange, my own recordings got shared here quite rapidly. I could not resist ! For the rest, I share all I can, to the benefit of others more than to mine sometimes. But I don't really give a damn, nice people are nice people and something always come back to me at one point. I donated some old VHS I had to someone once, I don't really remember what is on it (some old French TV programmes from the 80's - beginning 90's I guess), maybe that would prove totally useless, maybe not, but that's not the problem, I donated and if someone can be pleased with that then I'll be very pleased too. I regularly offer copies of silver bootlegs here, as a lot of others do too. This is not done to improve my own collection, just to offer what I have. Hundred of people download them, and some few come back to offer me something in exchange, and other people on the forum get stimulated and share their own stuff. That's my own example of how I can contribute a little to the community, maybe that's the more I can do. All I can do, just let me know and I'll do my best to add some help. But a lot of other people contribute far more interesting stuff here and there, and that pleases me a lot (it somewhat saddens me that it isn't always done here on Queenzone at first anyway). Last year, a lot of stuff got shared on the forum, especially for the first half of the year. I think at all the newbies that could enjoy some stuff they did not know. If I enjoy discovering new stuff (for me) on this public forum, and if I also can get some satisfaction sharing some other stuff publicly, then I can't imagine why a well-geared collector could not feel the same by spreading something that could be somewhat new to the masses. I know some of them regularly try and help here and there. - Martin improved his website to insert an index of all the recordings that we can find here on Queenzone, and it seems very useful. He could have said "I won't spend some time on that ! People can work their own way", and I'm sure it isn't of any help to himself, so it was not done for his own sake at all. - Pittrek regularly share his work here, and it's bloody good stuff with a lot of work and time involved to ensure something perfect in the end. - Bob fills the forum with nice upgrades here and there. - Maruga once shared a lot of QPR recordings here. - some other share their own improved versions, some reload old stuff for newbies. And these are only few examples ! A lot of generosity out there. Working all together is not so difficult anyway ! Help this community get better and better and share that collective pleasure !! To cut short, I'm not proud to be a Queen fan when I go to music stores and I only find greatest hits and that's almost all, but I'm really proud to be on Queenzone and meet people like you all. Regards, Olivier, Belgium. |
| deleted user 25.02.2010 16:20 |
Does all this mean somebody will finally share Cross Geneva DVD by Miklos? |
| people on streets 26.02.2010 06:28 |
kurgan100 wrote: Does all this mean somebody will finally share Cross Geneva DVD by Miklos? If you send me your adress (via PM) I can send you a copy wich you can torrent later if you want. I'm not able to make a torrent right now. |
| deleted user 26.02.2010 07:23 |
people on streets wrote:kurgan100 wrote: Does all this mean somebody will finally share Cross Geneva DVD by Miklos?If you send me your adress (via PM) I can send you a copy wich you can torrent later if you want. I'm not able to make a torrent right now. That is very kind. I can't torrent it but I will certainly have a go at putting it on mediafire or similar. One way or another it will end up on here. I have PMd you. Thanks again. |
| people on streets 26.02.2010 11:04 |
PM-ed you back! |
| Pim Derks 26.02.2010 11:20 |
Is The Cross DVD Miklos made from my original VHS something of a rarity these days? I think lots of people got it through the vine back then? |
| Pim Derks 26.02.2010 11:29 |
Just went through my huge cabinet filled with bootlegs from a couple of years ago (5-10 years) when I still traded. If anyone can let me know by mail (info@pimderks.com) how to get the Cross Geneva 1990 dvd by Miklos torrented I'd be happy to share it. |
| Pim Derks 26.02.2010 11:30 |
Pim Derks wrote: Just went through my huge cabinet filled with bootlegs from a couple of years ago (5-10 years) when I still traded. If anyone can let me know by mail (info@pimderks.com) how to get the Cross Geneva 1990 dvd by Miklos torrented I'd be happy to share it. Never mind, going to read the "How to post..." topic :) |
| guild93 26.02.2010 16:04 |
Geneva 1990 ........ was sold openly by Dutch fan(s) in '95 or '96 from master tape (as they claimed), should be really common. |
| Pim Derks 26.02.2010 16:10 |
Yes, it was openly sold. But apparently the DVD taken from one of those first generation copies from the master is not shared at the moment, that's why I posted it. |
| deleted user 26.02.2010 17:18 |
Pim Derks wrote: Yes, it was openly sold. But apparently the DVD taken from one of those first generation copies from the master is not shared at the moment, that's why I posted it. and lots of people will be glad you did, including me. Thanks again. |
| The Real Wizard 07.03.2010 13:11 |
So, what happened to this project? I assume collectors are just busy deciding how to contribute generously, yes? |
| pittrek 07.03.2010 14:08 |
Sir GH wrote: So, what happened to this project? I assume collectors are just busy deciding how to contribute generously, yes? It looks like it died before it got started :( Similar like this project : link |
| deleted user 05.11.2010 09:02 |
So that's it then? What happened to the Cross Meltdown Remaster? Champions 79 Documentary? Queen Legends VH1 1998? |
| The Real Wizard 05.11.2010 09:49 |
Not sure about Meltdown, but the other two will come. I need to transfer my VHS of Legends to digital first. |