| john bodega 21.02.2010 11:28 |
Discuss! I personally find his apology to be disingenuous and transparent. He's not sorry for the illicit sex - he's sorry that Gilette don't want him anymore. |
| Holly2003 21.02.2010 12:35 |
Uncle Tom? Stop talking bollocks. |
| john bodega 21.02.2010 13:00 |
Begone, literalist! |
| Holly2003 21.02.2010 13:39 |
Begone bollocks! |
| Micrówave 21.02.2010 13:52 |
Begone Tiger Woods |
| Holly2003 21.02.2010 14:44 |
Begone the Beguine. |
| GratefulFan 21.02.2010 15:06 |
Can't we just let begones be begones and get on with the savaging? [img=/images/smiley/msn/devil_smile.gif][/img] |
| john bodega 21.02.2010 18:50 |
I think I was on the money! |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.02.2010 07:35 |
Holly2003 wrote: Uncle Tom? Stop talking bollocks. Zebonka has a point. "Uncle Tom" behaviour means nothing short of (seemingly) complying with social norms that you do not agree with, whilst pretending to support them. The name refers explicitly to the concept of black people complying to Jim Crow-laws, but has been used in many similar (not necessarily racist) contexts, so I can't consider Zeb's interpretation of the concept as overstretching the lexicographical meaning. |
| Holly2003 22.02.2010 09:20 |
The most commonly understood meaning of Uncle Tom is of a emasculated black man who is totally subservient to his white master. Although it's commonly traced back to the book Uncle Tom's Cabin, its immediate predecessor was the grinning, servile "Sambo" figure. It is a very nasty insult, one often used by blacks against other blacks, and it doesn't fit Tiger Woods' personality or background. In other words, it's bollocks. |
| «¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» 22.02.2010 12:44 |
He read his exstensive, scripted apology very well, but that's about it. He certainly didn't seem very remorseful, especially after the speech watching him hug his Mom, and then having an ear to ear grin on his face shaking hands with others. |
| GratefulFan 22.02.2010 13:14 |
Holly2003 wrote: The most commonly understood meaning of Uncle Tom is of a emasculated black man who is totally subservient to his white master. Although it's commonly traced back to the book Uncle Tom's Cabin, its immediate predecessor was the grinning, servile "Sambo" figure. It is a very nasty insult, one often used by blacks against other blacks, and it doesn't fit Tiger Woods' personality or background. In other words, it's bollocks. I've always wondered about the evolution of Sambo from Indian to American black man. It's startling to remember how historically close institutionalized racism is. My grandmother read me 'Little Black Sambo' as a child and used to refer to black people as 'darkies' as a matter of course and without a mean thought. |
| john bodega 22.02.2010 22:10 |
Holly2003 wrote: The most commonly understood meaning of Uncle Tom is of a emasculated black man who is totally subservient to his white master. Although it's commonly traced back to the book Uncle Tom's Cabin, its immediate predecessor was the grinning, servile "Sambo" figure. It is a very nasty insult, one often used by blacks against other blacks, and it doesn't fit Tiger Woods' personality or background. In other words, it's bollocks.Nope, I was bang on the money. The guy has been a disingenuous wart throughout this whole affair. |
| Lisser :) 22.02.2010 23:00 |
I think he's an athlete and not a moral figure. Yes he's a popular celebrity but parents who allow their children to use public personas as role models should re-educate their children. Who cares who he has sex with. He should apologize to his wife, not to the public. Go swing your golf club and bang whoever you want. Just use protection. |
| john bodega 22.02.2010 23:04 |
Lisser :) wrote: He should apologize to his wife, not to the public.BINGO. How much of a self-interested fraud can he be that he would stage such a phony and public apology? I could probably count on one clumsy WW1 aeroplane mechanic's hand the number of people who actually deserve an apology from him... I'd laugh if he never sold another can of shaving cream again. |
| *goodco* 08.03.2010 13:17 |
Haven't been here in a while, but..........the term used originally is, well..........full of crap. Surprised there are no H1N1 virus comments on this thread................ The man had a problem (obviously). I am upset that he used his squeeky clean image to con me. And my wife. And my daughter. And others. At least with John Daly, I knew quite soon what he was all about. His apology was, well, an apology. At least I never had to stand in front of cameras and apologize in front of my mother about my sexual prowess (or lack thereof at certain times). He is getting what he deserves. |
| Mr.Jingles 10.03.2010 19:31 |
Obviously Tiger Woods has no desire whatsoever to apologize. ...and why should he? As Lisser pointed out this is a personal matter between him and his family. So why is he apologizing? Most likely from pressure by sponsors who are concerned about his public image. It's all about the money. |
| GratefulFan 10.03.2010 21:13 |
I disagree with some of that Mr. J. He certainly owes apologies to his business partners, some of whom poured enormous sums of money into campaigns built completely around him and the image he annihilated. Those companies have shareholders and investors, maybe even me or you through some mutual fund or other. He owes apologies to his friends and family and associates who were bothered and photographed by media looking for dirt and information. And I even think he owes a lot of those women more than a vague reference to 'the people I've hurt.' The speech comes off contrived and hollow in part because the impersonal public forum makes it so, and because it's an unseemly display that feels every bit like the media forced ritual that it is. I don't know what he owes his wife, but I'm pretty sure 'an apology' isn't it. Good people can stumble into affairs and stumble out bloodied and wiser people, but to me his conduct was such a profound failure of empathy and responsibility all around that I think he has a long, long road to a place where he's somebody anybody wants for a husband. He may never get there. Character comes in part from hardship and suffering and a life defined almost solely by achievement and success doesn't generally serve one all that well in my observation. Like all of us, he is a product of his experience. Many people will forget and settle back into appreciating him as an extraordinary athlete, but I think others are done with him for good. There is something about a person that takes the security and social and emotional benefits of marriage and children as their due without making a single one of the sacrifices that married people make every day that will always grate on some. |
| Winter Land Man 13.03.2010 03:14 |
Tiger woods is one lucky son of a bitch. His wife forgives him after he gives the old bone to a hundred women. Everytime I'm in a relationship, if I even say hello to a female, the girl I'm dating gets all jealous and won't forgive me for days, and then goes through my cell phone, my e-mail, my facebook inbox, and my myspace inbox, to see if I'm cheating on her. |
| Micrówave 13.03.2010 06:31 |
Tiger Woods had not choice BUT to apologize, publicly. You're talking about more money than anyone here on this site will ever see, let alone imagine. This is the highest paid athlete, ever. Tiger Woods stopped being a regular person 20 years ago. He's a company, a machine. There is no difference between Tiger apologizing than the President of Toyota apologizing. Toyota will never be #1 again, no matter what they try to do. Tiger, on the other hand, will win the Masters when he returns. Gotta protect the brand name. Don't worry girls, he'll be back in a month swinging that club. He'll just handle it much better. Pun intended. |
| john bodega 13.03.2010 07:12 |
He's a turd, plain and simple. Cooked up his sob story to cover for the fact that he's a root rat. |
| GratefulFan 14.03.2010 13:03 |
Zebonka12 wrote: He's a turd, plain and simple. Cooked up his sob story to cover for the fact that he's a root rat. I find myself unwilling to summon the effort it would take for me to figure out if I think he's a turd. I lean toward indifference. Unless one is a fan of the techicalities of golf strategy and execution it seems there's little to care about with this guy one way or the other at this point. He's a role model for nothing and nobody, and even his legendary cool and focus is probably one more extension of a personality largely unfazed by needs and expectations of people who aren't him. I think I'm just mostly glad I'm not him, or anybody that needs to depend on him for anything that's actually important in life. On another note, Howard Stern had a Tiger Woods mistress beauty pageant last week. Three of the women participated and the winner took home $75,000. The second place woman won $15,000 and the third place woman won $10,000 and a 50" TV. The prize money came from ashleymadison.com. What a world we live in. One notable thing was that the women ended up being judged on their stories as opposed to their physical appearance, though Howard being Howard the entire context was conducted in teeny bikinis, natch. |
| john bodega 15.03.2010 02:08 |
GratefulFan wrote: I find myself unwilling to summon the effort it would take for me to figure out if I think he's a turd.Effort? Nah. See, I default towards Turd. Someone has to be pretty outstanding before they're anything else. |
| Donna13 17.03.2010 13:13 |
It does seem less than sincere that he is going back to playing so soon after saying that he didn't know when he would be ready. All this has been planned in advance, I think. He must have known exactly when he would be playing again. Not that I'm a golf fan, so I don't care about whether he plays or not or how well he does, but he does seem to be staying true to his character (i.e. thinking he can get away with stuff), so that is interesting. Ha! |
| GratefulFan 17.03.2010 13:38 |
I don't think it's too soon. I mean it's what he does. His is a career where excellence depends on focus and the perpetual application and tuning of multiple aspects of his physical and mental self. There was a (kind of dumb, I thought) piece in the Washington Post today about why it shouldn't be the Masters, but he's got to come back sometime. |
| Donna13 17.03.2010 14:35 |
I think it is very possible that he knew he would be playing at the Masters before his statement to the press a few weeks ago - when he said that he didn't know when he would be able to go back to golf. It is not a matter of when it was appropriate for him to go back, I think - but rather that some people feel that he was dishonest again (he was just playing the part). I guess it can't be proven. He probably has a team of people trying to help him with his public image, and maybe parts of that statement were what they thought sounded appropriate, rather than what he really was thinking. |
| GratefulFan 17.03.2010 16:38 |
Sorry if I misunderstood Donna. I think that the whole press statement/apology is by definition so contrived for anybody dealing with public fallout from a private scandal that honesty shouldn't even really be expected. There are a limited number of possible truths in this instance, and none of them would likely be very palatable. If he can put his life back together it will be a pretty amazing feat. Good luck to him. |
| john bodega 17.03.2010 19:37 |
I think it's silly that he's going for his masters. It's been hundreds of years - let bygones be bygones. |
| lalaalalaa 18.03.2010 08:01 |
Quit being nosy.... |
| GratefulFan 18.03.2010 15:51 |
Go drown a fish. |
| Holly2003 18.03.2010 16:36 |
Can I join in? Ahem... Lick a hairy leg. Thank you. |
| Holly2003 18.03.2010 16:37 |
Can I join in? Ahem... "Lick a hairy leg." Thank you. I'm here all week. Try the buffet, it's great. |
| lalaalalaa 18.03.2010 16:40 |
Holly2003 wrote: Can I join in? Ahem... "Lick a hairy leg." Thank you. I'm here all week. Try the buffet, it's great. There's nothing in YOUR buffet (ooooohhhh) BTW- if I wanted to lick a hairy leg, I could just lick my own, FYI :P |
| lalaalalaa 18.03.2010 16:41 |
GratefulFan wrote: Go drown a fish. That, my friend, is impossible :) lalaalalaa LAA LALALA la |
| Treasure Moment 18.03.2010 17:44 |
what i find even more worthless is people WHO TALK ABOUT THIS! its none of your buisness! damn nosy people dont have anything better to do with their lives than to talk about some random guys private life? pathetic. |
| lalaalalaa 18.03.2010 18:13 |
Treasure Moment wrote: what i find even more worthless is people WHO TALK ABOUT THIS! its none of your buisness! damn nosy people dont have anything better to do with their lives than to talk about some random guys private life? pathetic. At least we aren't a group based on convincing the world that we are the supreme authority of music, shoving music down the throats of people who want nothing to do with it. |
| Treasure Moment 18.03.2010 18:34 |
lalaalalaa wrote:Treasure Moment wrote: what i find even more worthless is people WHO TALK ABOUT THIS! its none of your buisness! damn nosy people dont have anything better to do with their lives than to talk about some random guys private life? pathetic.At least we aren't a group based on convincing the world that we are the supreme authority of music, shoving music down the throats of people who want nothing to do with it. im only telling it like it is, TM is better than all mainstream bands combined, if it werent i wouldnt say it but it is. |
| lalaalalaa 18.03.2010 18:36 |
Treasure Moment wrote:lalaalalaa wrote:im only telling it like it is, TM is better than all mainstream bands combined, if it werent i wouldnt say it but it is.Treasure Moment wrote: what i find even more worthless is people WHO TALK ABOUT THIS! its none of your buisness! damn nosy people dont have anything better to do with their lives than to talk about some random guys private life? pathetic.At least we aren't a group based on convincing the world that we are the supreme authority of music, shoving music down the throats of people who want nothing to do with it. And yet, you have no record deal, no released albums, and I'm probably guessing no concerts to perform. You must be so talented that record companies will be afraid that you will sell too much. |
| Treasure Moment 18.03.2010 18:45 |
lalaalalaa wrote:Treasure Moment wrote:And yet, you have no record deal, no released albums, and I'm probably guessing no concerts to perform. You must be so talented that record companies will be afraid that you will sell too much.lalaalalaa wrote:im only telling it like it is, TM is better than all mainstream bands combined, if it werent i wouldnt say it but it is.Treasure Moment wrote: what i find even more worthless is people WHO TALK ABOUT THIS! its none of your buisness! damn nosy people dont have anything better to do with their lives than to talk about some random guys private life? pathetic.At least we aren't a group based on convincing the world that we are the supreme authority of music, shoving music down the throats of people who want nothing to do with it. thats cause we havent searched for any, we have a lot of songs and we have performed a few times, what im talking about is the quality of the music, not how many albums sold. |
| john bodega 18.03.2010 20:08 |
OH MAN!!! :D link That is the funniest shit I've ever seen. |
| GratefulFan 18.03.2010 20:22 |
Lalalalalala:Sent: 06:00 PM 10/01/2009: Can fish drown? Tiger:Sent: 06:02 PM 10/01/2009: fish bowl |
| GratefulFan 18.03.2010 20:58 |
Tiger:Sent: 07:32 PM 09/08/2009: You felt amazing to baby. How much was your flight by the way Ahh hahahaha ha. Why are all the great ones married? |
| john bodega 19.03.2010 01:23 |
My favourite bit is the one with the club sandwich. Jesus, it's brilliant. Makes you wish you could go through all of the inboxes of the phones of all the other great people in history .... Napoleon, Gandhi, Woody Allen ... |
| GratefulFan 19.03.2010 12:12 |
All the great ones know that bacon and tomato changes everything. |