QueenZone discussion #1219819

  Micrówave wrote: You're assuming that Greg has already put all this stuff in order, eh? And Thistleboy, you never answered ONE question about Victory, you ran away.  What's the deal?  What key was it in?  What was the song structure?  Was Steve Lukather the guitarist on Victory or did they use Michael Landau? So instead of stirring up more shit, like you did in the previous thread you were in, you want to have a discussion defending The Queen Archivist? No.  You said you've heard Victory a couple of times.  Answer the frickin questions!!!!   Don't hide behind "fear of QPL",  they could care less if you told us it was in the key of J.  And I doubt your "buddy-in-the-know" wouldn't stop playing you 20 year old tracks either.

Micrówave wrote: Sorry, but when someone says they confirm the existance by saying the exact things that Greg said is also very frustrating, as others have pointed out. Plus the fact that just you and I are speaking on this issue tells me that a lot of people here have had enough of the Queen Archivist and his bullshit posts.  Most could care less what is in the Queen Archives anymore... that's what we're trying to get across to him.   Time is running out.  The lifespan of Queen fans is running out. Not that it would make or break me, but it would be nice to see a Queen product actually sell a few copies.  That hasn't happened in years.

John S Stuart wrote: Thistleboy 1980: Are you sure you are not Greg in disguise? But to answer your question... First: Doing The Archivist's Job For Him... I don't think anyone would want such a negative job in the first place. Where is the personal creativity, the individuality, the job satisfaction? Sure listening to music is fun, but to take that fun element away and turn it into cataloging every note and nuance is not as glamorous as it would seem. Very soon it would devolve into another slavish factory-type monotonous chore. As they say - be careful what you wish for - as it may come true, and this sort of job is ceratinly up there with 'Dante's Inferno' and 'Doctor Faustus. Second: It is impossible for us to say what we would release - as we do not have all the information available to make an informed or reasonable choice. What you would really have is a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question - and as neither the answer or question have any merit - why discuss it in the first place? Finally: nobody in Scotland actually supports Partick Thistle - do they?

Micrówave wrote: Obviously it's not up to Greg, I doubt Queen even knows him by name. I'm sure QPL has come to the realization that they don't have much life left.  Sure, they can sell their material for advertisement or hope for a movie or TV show to feature one of their songs, but that's about it.  It's downright embarrassing to even look at the Queen Section anymore.  Nothing sells.  Absolute Greatest was a flop.  The Cosmos Rocks Limited LP Box was a flop.  The Singles Collections were a flop.  Queen is down to what Lynyrd Skynyrd is down to... releasing compilation albums and hoping for the best.  It's only a matter of time before we start seeing the $7.99 collections. Even the Queenzone members whose houses I'd love to break into are starting to enrich the pages of Ebay. So what little "gold" they have left will remain in the vaults as their "last ditch effort".  Once that's released, good night QPL.  I wouldn't release it either.

  GT wrote: You guys seem to think that it is up to Greg what is and is not released from the Queen archives.

Why the need for the two-smokin' barrels? No need for hostility. We are all friends in here. Thistleboy 1980 wrote:

Firstly, am I Greg? Does that really need answering? You know I'm not.  If I was, I wouldn't have the want to be the Queen "archivist".  I'd already have that job.

I have no idea who you are. How the Henry Hall would I know? You are the one who intimates we are all liars - so using your logic - to deny you are the archivist - sounds very much like something he would say!. So moving away from the Thistleboy 1980 mask, I know all the 'big hitters' in Scotland. You don't seem to be anyone I know. (I know I don't know 'every' Queen fan in Scotland - but finding someone who claims to has both heard the 'Victory' track - and - live in this small area is a bit of a double coincidence). So why not PM me? If I do know you - let's introduce ourselves to each other where we can talk man to man. If you don't want to know me - that is fine too. But please do not come in here, hiding behind a pseudonym, and knock the reputations of people you do not know, or would not even recogize if they stood next to you in a queue. You are not omnipotent, and in the words of Charlie Rich; 'No one knows what goes on behind closed doors'. I am proud of my name. My name is my reputation. I hide not behind a mask of mystery. People accept me for who I am - because of my past track record. Like a contestant on a pub-quiz team, I am chosen because people can judge me from previous results. They know I can deliver. In otherwords I am on the team in merit - not charity. What have you ever delivered? What have you ever done that is verifiable? As you are more in the know, and have something that even the band say didn't get recorded (Hangman), it may not have merit to you, but it may to others... It's hypothetical, yes, but for a pleb like me, quite interesteing to hear the thoughts of other fans and collectors.  Good point, well made. Perhaps I deserved that one. (Still no need for the two smokin' barrels though!) But my reply was not out of arrogance, rather it was born from... 1: The previous amount of times we have discussed this at Moanzone, and for old timers like me - it really has been flogged to death. (A quick use of the search function should reveal tons of info on this line). Perhaps I should have given a bit more latitude to a newbie, but then again, any newbie who has heard 'Victory' also has a lot to bring to the table. So what else have you heard - that you can talk about? (Are you sure you are not Greg? The concept of information being a one-way street seems vaguely familiar somehow). 2: The frustration of knowing that if 'Victory' does exist - it will still not see the light of day. This, to me,  is again playing into the hands of the buy sh*te now - reward in heaven policy - which I flatly refuse to subscribe to. Buy all the crap you wish - with my blessing - but there will be no 'Victory' celebration (if you excuse the pun). at the end of it. It is all a ruse to keep the masses opiated. ...there's more chance of them winning the Champions League as there is you own an acetate of hangman, btw. 100% certain are we? How do you know that for sure? I have always been 100% honest with the community. (I think Ruth said 99.999% in another thread). Judge me on my works, my deeds, my actions... Some say actions talk louder than words. My words are crisp, clear and unambiguious. So I will say this once and for all... I own 'Hangman' 10" x one-sided EMI actete. You can read about it - in here - in detail - in moanzone (an exclusive if you like). I can't be ars*d finding the thread ATM, but I am sure you will that it is still there. If this contradicts Brian's recollections, then I am sure that others in here (Sebastian springs to mind) who can confirm (with evidence) Dr. May's amazing ability to forget things, to lose track of time, to lose track of songs (and even the albums they appear on). Which just goes to show he is human - and not a computer after all. Remember - much of the debut album was bounced between studios. Many different places - at many different times. Lots of physical movement. Lots of moving equipment. Who could blame them if they lost a few bits along the way? But to claim it does not exist... As for Partick Thistle and the Champions league...

  John S Stuart wrote: It stated in the index Thistle boy replied. But where has that post gone?

GT wrote: We all have 37 years of recorded studio material, numerous live audio tapes and video footage and a wealth of solo and collaboration stuff that we can listen to again and again at any time we want to.....and this is the top class stuff the band want you to hear.....the band at their best.