| mike hunt 29.01.2010 17:29 |
I know John and roger didn't like Jazz, but how about freddie or brian?...That album has a lot of kick ass tunes, yea the roger songs arn't very good, but the rest is awsome. |
| steven 35638 30.01.2010 12:34 |
Great tunes. Terrible production. I'm not really sure about how each member felt about the album. |
| Serry... 30.01.2010 13:34 |
It's all about order of tracks. Roy and boys didn't get that puzzle right. |
| GratefulFan 30.01.2010 13:40 |
mike hunt wrote: I know John and roger didn't like Jazz, but how about freddie or brian?...That album has a lot of kick ass tunes, yea the roger songs arn't very good, but the rest is awsome. Am I the ONLY person who likes More of That Jazz? |
| paulosham 30.01.2010 13:43 |
Serry... wrote: It's all about order of tracks. Roy and boys didn't get that puzzle right. I agree, I would also dump Fun It and while I love More of That Jazz I'd remove the section that contains excerpts of other songs. Also I love the version of Don't Stop Me Now that blends into Jealousy (not sure if that is real but it works really well) |
| thunderbolt 31742 30.01.2010 14:41 |
GratefulFan wrote: Am I the ONLY person who likes More of That Jazz? Probably. |
| Bo Alex 30.01.2010 15:18 |
GratefulFan wrote:mike hunt wrote: I know John and roger didn't like Jazz, but how about freddie or brian?...That album has a lot of kick ass tunes, yea the roger songs arn't very good, but the rest is awsome.Am I the ONLY person who likes More of That Jazz? I like it, I think the guitar riffs are great. But the lyrics are very weak, and the part with little segments of every song of the album is not cool at all. |
| mooghead 30.01.2010 15:19 |
Steven wrote: Great tunes. Terrible production. Sums it up really, I hate the way the album sounds. Its very 'thin'. The mash up of songs on 'More of That Jazz' is a desperate low point and for some reason Roger thought his kit should sound like he was in a reggae band for this album. The lyrics for 'In Only Seven Days' sound like some 15 year old kid writing a poem for a girl he fancies. 40% killer..... 60% filler. Bookended by probably Queens worst 2 songs. Certainly up to that point anyway. |
| mike hunt 30.01.2010 17:25 |
Thunderbolt wrote:GratefulFan wrote: Am I the ONLY person who likes More of That Jazz?Probably. Even roger thought his songs on Jazz wern't very good.....I agree that the album had killer tunes with weak production... a shame because roger has some killer drum work in there.... |
| Josh Henson 30.01.2010 18:24 |
Totally agree. Although this album was really the beginning of the end of great music by Queen. |
| lyricalassasin77 30.01.2010 18:31 |
I'm on the fence about this album. It's very eclectic for sure. I've always thought one of their most underrated songs was "If You Can't Beat em Join em"....great upbeat song. The heavy rocker's on it "Let Me Entertain You, Fat Bottom Girls, and Dead on Time" are all good, but this album falls off pretty bad with the 2 duds Roger does and the sappy ass "Dreamer's Ball" & "Jealousy"...."In Only Seven Days" was about the only lite selection I can stomach on this album. So in closing its basically an album that has some very good gems on it surrounded by filler...I too agree they just didn't get the track sequence right either for this album. |
| mike hunt 30.01.2010 18:59 |
Sorry but dreamers ball and Jealousy are awsome tunes. |
| LucTonnerre 30.01.2010 19:03 |
JAZZ is still one of my favourite albums. Not as good as SHA or ANATO but somewhere close to Top 5.There's not a single song on it that I don't like. To be honest, there isn't a single song I don't like until HOT SPACE and that song is BODY LANGUAGE (excluding the Flash Gordon Soundtrack). From there on it all went downhill for me. |
| lyricalassasin77 30.01.2010 22:07 |
Sorry but Dreamer's Ball & Jealousy straight up suck. You might like music that lulls you to sleep but not I... |
| mike hunt 30.01.2010 22:43 |
I like all styles of music....I'm not a closed mind rock fan......If you don't like those songs that's fine, but you're missing out on some great vocals and guitar playing. I guess you don't like the album a day at the races.....since most of that album is ballads. go listen to some boring straight foward rock band like ACDC or motley crew.....this site is for people who enjoy real music. |
| UnderPressure1995 30.01.2010 23:25 |
I liked Jazz.... and from the looks of this forum I may be the only one. Sure there are songs that could be better (More of That Jazz and Dead on Time for example) but over all I think it's a strong album. And also I liked the ending montage of all the songs at the end of More That Jazz! I thought it was the best part of the whole song! |
| Kamenliter 31.01.2010 01:24 |
Mike Hunt (great name, btw) got it right...lyricalassasin77, you must also not like tunes like Nevermore, Dear Friends and Seaside Rendezvous. Shame. |
| Unblinking Eye 31.01.2010 02:19 |
GratefulFan wrote:No!! Its my favourite song on the album!! THANK YOU FOR LIKING IT!!!!!!!!mike hunt wrote: I know John and roger didn't like Jazz, but how about freddie or brian?...That album has a lot of kick ass tunes, yea the roger songs arn't very good, but the rest is awsome.Am I the ONLY person who likes More of That Jazz? |
| philip storey 31.01.2010 04:19 |
I loved the free poster!! |
| Dim 31.01.2010 05:07 |
Jazz has wierd track list and it has various music styles, because that is the definition of Jazz as a word = crazy, wierd. They played different quality songs under Queen rock sound. They used psychedelic cycles in front cover, the cycles referred to wierd and to grooves of vinyl records (Very clever idea). The production is good, looses very much on cd, but gains much in LPs and Greatest hits DVD (FBG and BR sound great in 5.1.). Also copare the album production with other artists -albums of the same year, Queen undo them. More Of that Jazz closes very clever the album, the mix of Jazz songs in the middle create a meaning in the song. So the Jazz is more thatn meets the eye. It is a Diamond! and they liked it, as experimental album they knew that, it could have been little better... In the end audience love it. Big sales, many singles and different around the world and... always asking for songs to played live. Don't mention DSMN huge success over the last decade. |
| mike hunt 31.01.2010 08:32 |
fat bottomed girls is one of the most popular songs in the states....i think the album has some of brians best work...mustapha, entertain you, dead on time, Dreamers ball. Good stuff, but of course the album could have been a little better. |
| mike hunt 31.01.2010 08:41 |
UnderPressure1995 wrote: I liked Jazz.... and from the looks of this forum I may be the only one. Sure there are songs that could be better (More of That Jazz and Dead on Time for example) but over all I think it's a strong album. And also I liked the ending montage of all the songs at the end of More That Jazz! I thought it was the best part of the whole song! the only one?....I think the comments have been mostly possitive about Jazz. |
| mooghead 31.01.2010 09:19 |
mike hunt wrote: Sorry but dreamers ball and Jealousy are awsome tunes. Dreamers Ball? As Freddie said... the things you do for money. Jealousy? Whats with that horrible 'twangy' acoustic guitar? Completely destroys the song, should have just been voice and piano. |
| mooghead 31.01.2010 09:22 |
And to contradict myself... 'Don't Stop Me Now' is the best song Freddie over wrote. A diamond in a mountain of coal. |
| Michael 31.01.2010 09:46 |
I have to agree with the previous poster, who indicated that Queen and Roy Thomas Baker should have ordered the songs on Jazz better. Actually, up until now, I hadn't thought of that. There has always been something that bothers me about Jazz, and I think the ordering of the songs is it. I also agree that there are a few weak songs on Jazz - not quite the 40% killer, 60% filler, as a previous poster indicated - but a few weak songs nonetheless. IMO, the weak songs are More of that Jazz, Mustapha, and (gasp) Bicycle Race. They should have never kicked off the album with Mustapha. - How about starting with Fat Bottomed Girls or Dead on Time? Here's my proposed song order for Jazz: Side 1: Fat Bottomed Girls, If You Can't Beat Them, Let Me Entertain You, In Only Seven Days, Leaving Home Ain't Easy; Side 2: Dead on Time, Fun It, Dreamer's Ball, Jealousy, and Don't Stop Me Now. - 10 songs, straight to the point. What does everyone think of this? |
| marvinp01 31.01.2010 10:02 |
mooghead wrote:the piano is really neat for IN ONLY SEVEN DAYS.i agree that the lyrics need some revisingSteven wrote: Great tunes. Terrible production.Sums it up really, I hate the way the album sounds. Its very 'thin'. The mash up of songs on 'More of That Jazz' is a desperate low point and for some reason Roger thought his kit should sound like he was in a reggae band for this album. The lyrics for 'In Only Seven Days' sound like some 15 year old kid writing a poem for a girl he fancies. 40% killer..... 60% filler. Bookended by probably Queens worst 2 songs. Certainly up to that point anyway. |
| marvinp01 31.01.2010 10:03 |
lyricalassasin77 wrote: Sorry but Dreamer's Ball & Jealousy straight up suck. You might like music that lulls you to sleep but not I...don't forget LEAVING HOME AINT SO EASY. |
| thunderbolt 31742 31.01.2010 13:39 |
Jazz is, like several of Queen's later albums, hit-and-miss. Some great songs mixed in with some average songs, and a couple of really bad songs. The track order was disjointed as well, as others have pointed out. That said, since this seems to be the direction we're going with it, here's the track order I would have gone with for Jazz: Side 1: 1. Let Me Entertain You 2. Fat Bottomed Girls 3. Bicycle Race 4. Dreamer's Ball 5. Jealousy 6. Don't Stop Me Now Side 2: 1. Mustapha 2. In Only Seven Days 3. Leaving Home Ain't Easy 4. Fun It 5. If You Can't Beat Them 6. Dead On Time Astute readers will notice that I omitted "More of That Jazz," because the song is utterly useless, and serves as little more than filler for the last four minutes of the album. If you take out the montage, fine, ok, maybe slap it in after "Fun It" for a little burst of Roger Taylor before we switch back to rock for the ending, but as it exists, it is, in my opinion, the weakest song in Queen's entire catalog. Yes, worse than "Body Language". Yeah, I went there. |
| Amazon 31.01.2010 13:50 |
I would have rejected both Roger songs, as well as If You Can't Beat Them. Fun It was IMO completely dumb, MOTJ was pointless and IYCBT was IMO one of John's worst songs. Other that that, I think it's a masterpiece. Fat Bottomed Girls was IMO one of Queen's very best songs, Bicycle Race was an absolute masterpiece and more evidence of Freddie's song-writing genius, Don't Stop Me Now was quite simply one of the greatest songs of all time, In Only Seven Days was arguably both Queen's best love song as well as John's best song as writer, Dreamer's Ball was quite nice, Leaving Home Ain't Easy was really good with a nice vocal performance from Brian, Jealousy was pretty good (although not great), Mustapha is neither here nor there for me but I think it does add to the album in terms of weirdness, Let Me Entertain You could have been a great opening track and I'm not a big fan of Dead On Time, but I still would have kept it. I think that LMEY should have opened the album and I would have had DSMN close it. |
| master marathon runner 31.01.2010 13:58 |
Cant believe what i'm reading about jazz. 'Dont stop me now' is now a world wide standard, ' Jealously'- aah i absolutely love this gem, Freddie at his most sensuous. 'Mustapha'- nobody mentions what must be one of Queens most unusual and original tracks, which was brought into the live setlist by public demand , (just listen to the snippet on 'Live Killers'). I saw them at Birmingham NEC in December 1980 and it was one of the highlights of the show. Master Marathon Runner. |
| pittrek 31.01.2010 14:39 |
Thunderbolt wrote: Jazz is, like several of Queen's later albums, hit-and-miss. Some great songs mixed in with some average songs, and a couple of really bad songs. The track order was disjointed as well, as others have pointed out. That said, since this seems to be the direction we're going with it, here's the track order I would have gone with for Jazz: Side 1: 1. Let Me Entertain You 2. Fat Bottomed Girls 3. Bicycle Race 4. Dreamer's Ball 5. Jealousy 6. Don't Stop Me Now Side 2: 1. Mustapha 2. In Only Seven Days 3. Leaving Home Ain't Easy 4. Fun It 5. If You Can't Beat Them 6. Dead On Time Astute readers will notice that I omitted "More of That Jazz," because the song is utterly useless, and serves as little more than filler for the last four minutes of the album. If you take out the montage, fine, ok, maybe slap it in after "Fun It" for a little burst of Roger Taylor before we switch back to rock for the ending, but as it exists, it is, in my opinion, the weakest song in Queen's entire catalog. Yes, worse than "Body Language". Yeah, I went there. What about : 1, Mustapha 2. Let Me Entertain You 3. If You Can't Beat Them 4. Leavin' Home Ain't Easy 5. Dreamers Ball 6. Fat Bottomed Girls 7. Bicycle Race 8. Jealousy 9. In Only Seven Days 10. Fun It 11. Dead On Time 12. Don't Stop Me Now 13. More Of That Jazz ? |
| Bo Rhap 31.01.2010 15:11 |
I like Mustapha. I like the fact that it switches from mono to stereo. And the clever use of the different languages. Am i the only one who likes Mustapha? |
| Dim 31.01.2010 15:21 |
I will say it again, Jazz opens with Mustapha and closes with more of that Jazz cause there is a reason. Jazz means wierd, crazy e.t.c. was a music that broke the rules. So what is more wierd to open with an arabic style song? A real shock in 1978. And closes with a song which is very hypnotic and sums up the jazz album.... check the mix in the middle and relate the words of the song with the lyrics from the mix.. you will see there is a meaning. This album on DVD audio would sound perfect, I can imagine mustapha (Great song and great live too). A great album Steve Vai and Def Leppard love it. |
| mrad 31.01.2010 15:31 |
This is how I would have liked Jazz to have been tracked (A cross between SHA & NOTW tracking): Side 1: 1. Dead On Time 2. Bicycle Race 3. Leaving Home Ain't Easy 4. Fun It 5. Fat Bottomed Girls 6. Let Me Entertain You Side 2: 1. Mustapha 2. If You Can't Beat Them 3. Dreamer's Ball 4. In Only Seven Days 5. Jealousy 6. Don't Stop Me Now 7. More of That Jazz |
| mike hunt 31.01.2010 22:21 |
mustapha=brilliance......everything about that song is amazing.....Fun it is a worse song than body language IMO. |
| mike hunt 31.01.2010 22:37 |
Dim wrote: I will say it again, Jazz opens with Mustapha and closes with more of that Jazz cause there is a reason. Jazz means wierd, crazy e.t.c. was a music that broke the rules. So what is more wierd to open with an arabic style song? A real shock in 1978. And closes with a song which is very hypnotic and sums up the jazz album.... check the mix in the middle and relate the words of the song with the lyrics from the mix.. you will see there is a meaning. This album on DVD audio would sound perfect, I can imagine mustapha (Great song and great live too). A great album Steve Vai and Def Leppard love it. I think hawkins from the darkness said jazz was his favorite queen album. |
| lyricalassasin77 01.02.2010 19:24 |
Tell you what Mike you don't like my opinion tough shit. Don't start a thread if you don't like the replies. I think the songs are crap, its not about liking boring rock or for you feeling the need to speak for what everybody likes here so why don't you go pound sand you ignorant fuck! Ballads are one thing, slow uninspiring music is quite another. Not everybody is going to agree with what you classify as GREAT. |
| mike hunt 02.02.2010 04:48 |
Take a deep breath my man.....The reason why I start a lot of threads on Jazz is because it gets mixed reviews, and different opinions. It makes for a much better discussion than the loved albums like a night at the opera, or the mostly hated like hot space. Jazz is in the middle, almost 50/50 split....It's always interesting, at least for me to go back and forth on this one. My opinion is that most the songs are very good, but it's far from a perfect album....The two roger songs are among the worst in queens history, even worse than hot space......"if you can't beat them" is another song that should have been left off the album. That leaves 10 songs I like. It's not one of you're favorites, not a big deal. |
| lyricalassasin77 02.02.2010 18:31 |
Well maybe you see where I'm coming from now because I think "If ya can't beat em" is an awesome song which you must not....that's cool with me. That's why I didn't understand the reaction when I said I didn't care for "Dreamer's Ball" or "Jealousy"....but its all good..no big deal. |
| doxonrox 03.02.2010 20:47 |
Dim wrote: I will say it again, Jazz opens with Mustapha and closes with more of that Jazz cause there is a reason. Jazz means wierd, crazy e.t.c. was a music that broke the rules. I think it refers to "all of that jazz" which references all the different musical style. Roger quote, I believe. Not sure if jazz means "weird" or "crazy" anywhere in the world. No rules were broken on jazz either, other than the rule to not let your producer ruin your album by making it sound like shit. |
| mike hunt 04.02.2010 03:03 |
Is that roy baker the same producer who recorded A night at the opera?....What the hell happened with jazz? |
| Mr Prime Jive 04.02.2010 04:49 |
Various factors : Roy being employed by the band (and not by EMI, like before) New studios (Montreux), new artistic freedom (post WWRY, WATC, BR, STL...), big money (post WWRY, WATC, BR, STL...)... |