Fone Bone 25.01.2010 06:46 |
Well, I might have missed it, but Bri has been curiously silent about the Haiti disaster, when many fellow rock stars haven't Could he be one those people who claim to be morally and ethically superior and then care about a few dozen badgers and foxes more than about hundreds of thousands of human deaths ? This is disturbing ... I feel our Bri has been losing touch these days ... |
woodi485485 25.01.2010 07:59 |
You really want to get a life! |
Amazon 25.01.2010 08:05 |
If you care about Haiti, do something yourself. Brian doesn't have to do something, or do something publicly, just to make you feel better! |
Togg 25.01.2010 08:29 |
To be honest I'm rather glad he hasn't. Getting fed up with celebs all trying to be the first to 'help' Bono or for the matter Simon Cowell could right a cheque for more than they will raise with a single, which OK I know is something that's been said before but it's true. I'm all for getting the public involved but actually the best way of helping them is getting money over there fast and Mr Cowell could actually do that in an afternoon, never mind working for days on a single and then video and then waiting for us all to buy it... Anyway, as I said I am rather glad Brian has not started work on a help Haiti single! |
Holly2003 25.01.2010 09:30 |
I'm just glad the quake happened after Roger released The Unblinking Eye, otherwise the song would be 9 minutes long, and I would dread to think what he would try to rhyme with Haiti. |
Micrówave 25.01.2010 09:44 |
What could Brian May do? --He's too skinny and old to be digging out survivors. --No one in Haiti cares about a blistering Guitar Solo --You don't send someone to an Earthquake ravaged region who just wrote a book entitled "Bang!" --Clogs would be very unsafe footwear down there right now. --John's already there |
Fone Bone 25.01.2010 11:11 |
Let me rephrase that I don't pretend to suggest what Bri should or should not do about Haiti I'm saying I feel uncomfortable that one of my favourite artists, who's supposed to be a man of greater conscience, uses his share of voice to support the cause of snared animals just a few days after one of the worst natural disasters in recent history resulting in the death of over 150 000 It's inapropriate. |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2010 11:42 |
Amazon wrote: If you care about Haiti, do something yourself. Brian doesn't have to do something, or do something publicly, just to make you feel better! Amen x 1000. |
Serry... 25.01.2010 12:13 |
You have a point. Very dangerous point for May-niacs on QZ, be careful. |
Sebastian 25.01.2010 12:20 |
Micrówave wrote: What could Brian May do? --He's too skinny and old to be digging out survivors. --No one in Haiti cares about a blistering Guitar Solo --You don't send someone to an Earthquake ravaged region who just wrote a book entitled "Bang!" --Clogs would be very unsafe footwear down there right now. --John's already there Standing ovation! And yes, I'm also a bit taken off by the way celebrities act. They ask people to donate, sit at a phone to take pledges, make public appearances... if they really cared about the people, they could anonymously give 1% of their fortune (which would probably be more money than what they collect through concerts and stuff) and that's it. But of course, in that case, they wouldn't market themsleves as good people, as nobody else would know. BTW, maybe that's what the Doctor did: he could've sent a cheque, told nobody and that's it. Way more helpful than a Soapbox entry or a concert. |
GratefulFan 25.01.2010 12:39 |
Holly2003 wrote: I'm just glad the quake happened after Roger released The Unblinking Eye, otherwise the song would be 9 minutes long, and I would dread to think what he would try to rhyme with Haiti. LOL Strings intro and begin... God would sweep If you would matey But the world is full of lazy turds Who won't go clean up Haitiiiiiii |
GratefulFan 25.01.2010 12:56 |
Fone Bone wrote: Let me rephrase that I don't pretend to suggest what Bri should or should not do about Haiti I'm saying I feel uncomfortable that one of my favourite artists, who's supposed to be a man of greater conscience, uses his share of voice to support the cause of snared animals just a few days after one of the worst natural disasters in recent history resulting in the death of over 150 000 It's inapropriate. I do see what you're getting at, but I don't agree that it's inappropriate. He's stated he wants to strongly focus on animal protection in 2010 and as issues arise it's to be expected that they will appear on his blog or in his correspondence. Haiti is an entirely separate issue, and a well covered one at that. In this circumstance, it wouldn't really benefit the people of Haiti to have a focal point through Brian May, where the other issue might benefit a great deal. Anyway, it's a horrible event. I'm sure there will be ramifications for months and years and there may be a time in the future where Brian might have some words that will be helpful. Perhaps later will be more effective, when most have turned their attention to something else. |
Fone Bone 25.01.2010 13:36 |
Serry... wrote: You have a point. Very dangerous point for May-niacs on QZ, be careful. Thank you for this reply Serry. It is indeed a point I don't seem to share with zoners I very much respect like GH or Sebastian ... So be it ! |
believe in yourself 45455 25.01.2010 14:19 |
In general, I have more respect for people who are inconsequent in doing the right things than for people who are consequent in doing the wrong things or who do nothing right at all. |
Micrówave 25.01.2010 15:40 |
Yes, Fone Bone. You started this $#@!. Do you know FOR A FACT that Brian did NOT make a private donation? Please show us your proof before accusing Brian, or anyone else for that matter, of doing nothing. What have you done, Fone Bone? Did you text Haiti to 90999? |
Freya is quietly judging you. 25.01.2010 15:43 |
Too busy preaching about fox hunting. *rolls eyes* |
Sheer Brass Neck 25.01.2010 21:52 |
My father in law goes to church (why? I don't know) and delights in telling the story how he never contributes to the collection plate, preferring to give a cheque twice a year for a sizeable amount, yet he knows people in the church gossip about him and others who don't make the scene of contributing weekly although he most certainly dwarfs most peoples contributions. So, unless you know if Brain did or didn't contribute, STFU. |
Sebastian 26.01.2010 01:26 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: My father in law goes to church (why? I don't know) and delights in telling the story how he never contributes to the collection plate, preferring to give a cheque twice a year for a sizeable amount, yet he knows people in the church gossip about him and others who don't make the scene of contributing weekly although he most certainly dwarfs most peoples contributions. So, unless you know if Brain did or didn't contribute, STFU. |
john bodega 26.01.2010 03:00 |
Look at the rubble ... I think Brian has done enough already folks.. |
pablotaylor90 26.01.2010 12:39 |
May be he's doing something with another artist in secret. I think Brian do a lot of things for charity, he's not necessarily a unshakable person The time to help them is not finished! I think this tipe of arguments are vain and too much predictable. You all can't drive the Brian's mind so it's a loss of time doing it! Sorry if my english seems quite crack, but I hope you can understand my message! |
GratefulFan 26.01.2010 13:54 |
I guess the question is would Brian be aware that some reflections on the events might be expected by his readership? I didn't have any such expectation, but is it possible that a significant number might? No idea. It's kind of instinctive to think "He can say whatever the hell he wants, because it's his damn Soapbox!" but the reality is probably a little more complex. There are expectations in communication. It would be weird for the NY Times headline on September 12, 2001 to have been "Global Warming Debate Heats Up", and weird if the entire WWRY cast was run over by a bus and it went unmentioned on the Soapbox. Has Brian developed precedents that make it weird that he didn't mention Haiti, which might lead people to perceive a deliberate message against his message about the snares? I don't think so, but I'm just one person. Brian has commented on most natural disasters before, but typically in response to fan letters. Perhaps he just hasn't gotten many from, or relating to, the region. To me, it remains a leap to make the OP's assumption that the silence is either a deliberate slight to the people of Haiti, or one born of fundamental insensitivity to human plight. Though Lord knows some animal rights fundamentalists are capable. PETA are absolutely f'ing atrocious. How must it suck to be famous sometimes. Getting micro-parsed on what you say, what you don't say. My gut half tells me that posting these thoughts at all makes me part of the problem, but I can't seem to help myself around interesting questions. Too curious and think-y for my own good. |
The Real Wizard 26.01.2010 16:27 |
At least you're looking at this from numerous angles, unlike certain others in this thread. I think people need to get a life if they have the time to squawk about a lack of comment from a rock guitarist in his 60s. He'll say something if he wants to. Some people just have far too much time on their hands. Maybe they should get into the public eye so they'll know what it feels like to have people breathing down your neck, demanding a comment whenever they want one. |
coops 26.01.2010 16:35 |
Sebastian wrote:Micrówave wrote: What could Brian May do? --He's too skinny and old to be digging out survivors. --No one in Haiti cares about a blistering Guitar Solo --You don't send someone to an Earthquake ravaged region who just wrote a book entitled "Bang!" --Clogs would be very unsafe footwear down there right now. --John's already thereStanding ovation! And yes, I'm also a bit taken off by the way celebrities act. They ask people to donate, sit at a phone to take pledges, make public appearances... if they really cared about the people, they could anonymously give 1% of their fortune (which would probably be more money than what they collect through concerts and stuff) and that's it. But of course, in that case, they wouldn't market themsleves as good people, as nobody else would know. BTW, maybe that's what the Doctor did: he could've sent a cheque, told nobody and that's it. Way more helpful than a Soapbox entry or a concert. And you know they don't give money because? Probably be the first to put them down for being holier than thou should they advertise their donations. I donate money all the time but I am not going to provide you with a list of who and how much. As nice a guy as you probably are, I doubt you or I could go on tv and generate a few million dollars like George Clooney could. |
Sebastian 26.01.2010 20:28 |
I'm not saying that what showing-off celebrities do is wrong. What I mean is that they help, but some other people help way more and don't get credit (since they're truly generous and don't ask for it). Maybe Brian's one of them, maybe he isn't (I don't and can't know). Just the money spent on Taylor Swift's make-up for the TV event could've been used for the victims and would've probably added a lot to what she collected from other people. (Could, not Should - as it's her money and she's entitled to use it to light cigars if she wants to). Does a person who appears on TV asking other people to donate deserve to be hated, to have his testicles (or her vagina) eaten by rabid wolves and to be spread salt on his open eyeballs? No. Does a person who appears on TV asking other people to donate deserved to be thanked for? Yes, of course. Is a person who appears on TV asking other people to donate generous? Yes, of course. Is a person who appears on TV asking other people to donate as generous as it may seem at first? Not necessarily. Is a person who doesn't appear on TV asking other people to donate not as generous as one who does? Not necessarily. That's my point. |
john bodega 26.01.2010 23:23 |
I'm glad he didn't blog about it. What if he mussed the facts up or said something silly? I'll get my information from someplace else. And as for "how does he feel about Haiti and why doesn't he write about it?". Shame on you; he's a human being, you should already KNOW what he feels about it. Fucking hell... |
Micrówave 27.01.2010 15:18 |
He did have a major party at his house last week. What an insensitive bastard!!! |
Holly2003 28.01.2010 04:16 |
It says on Brian's Soapbox that he has sent some yurts and a stockpile of macademia nuts as part of his campaign "Send a yurt and a tin of macademia nuts to Haiti", so get to it Queenzoners. |
pittrek 28.01.2010 06:47 |
Fone Bone - may I ask how did you help to Haiti ? |
Serry... 28.01.2010 10:46 |
So now you see what does 'Serry's alerts' means? Don't worry man, pathetic moralism is a common thing in the Web. |
mike hunt 28.01.2010 11:37 |
I don't get it, Why care what brian does or doesn't do?....don't you have a life? |
Sebastian 28.01.2010 11:55 |
mike hunt wrote: I don't get it, Why care what brian does or doesn't do?....don't you have a life? I don't get it. Why care whether QZers care or not about what Brian does or doesn't do? ... Don't you have a life? |
mike hunt 28.01.2010 12:00 |
wait a minute, arn't you the guy who claims "I'm not a Queen fan" what the hell are you doing on this site?.......loser! |
Fone Bone 28.01.2010 12:40 |
First to answer the uncalled for aggressiveness : I'm afraid what I did for Haiti is not the point. As for being told "to get a life instead of caring about what Brian does" by someone who has written 1892 posts about Queen - not that there is anything wrong with that -, it is quite amusing. I will state my point one last time : I regret that since the Haiti earthquake, someone wielding influence like Brian, who in the past organised a global event to raise AIDS awareness, has posted twice about poor hunted foxes and has not had a single word about a global catastrophe for which fellow musicians have raised $66M in days (and of course raised their profiles by doing so, but again is it the point ?) Frankly I didn't think it would be such a divisive issue : Over 150 000 people have died, musicians around the world raise millions of dollars and our favourite rock star obsesses about foxes, as a fan it makes me feel sad. Now I think I'll stick to music-related topics only! And again, thanks Serry |
The Real Wizard 28.01.2010 12:42 |
Sebastian wrote:mike hunt wrote: I don't get it, Why care what brian does or doesn't do?....don't you have a life?I don't get it. Why care whether QZers care or not about what Brian does or doesn't do? ... Don't you have a life? Where did he indicate he cares? He's asking a (possibly hypothetical) question. |
mike hunt 28.01.2010 12:45 |
why does that make you sad?.....[img=/images/smiley/msn/sad_smile.gif][/img] you poor little brian may fan. |
mike hunt 28.01.2010 12:50 |
Sir GH wrote:Sebastian wrote:Where did he indicate he cares? He's asking a (possibly hypothetical) question.mike hunt wrote: I don't get it, Why care what brian does or doesn't do?....don't you have a life?I don't get it. Why care whether QZers care or not about what Brian does or doesn't do? ... Don't you have a life? |
mike hunt 28.01.2010 13:01 |
Fone Bone wrote: First to answer the uncalled for aggressiveness : I'm afraid what I did for Haiti is not the point. As for being told "to get a life instead of caring about what Brian does" by someone who has written 1892 posts about Queen - not that there is anything wrong with that -, it is quite amusing. I will state my point one last time : I regret that since the Haiti earthquake, someone wielding influence like Brian, who in the past organised a global event to raise AIDS awareness, has posted twice about poor hunted foxes and has not had a single word about a global catastrophe for which fellow musicians have raised $66M in days (and of course raised their profiles by doing so, but again is it the point ?) Frankly I didn't think it would be such a divisive issue : Over 150 000 people have died, musicians around the world raise millions of dollars and our favourite rock star obsesses about foxes, as a fan it makes me feel sad. Now I think I'll stick to music-related topics only! And again, thanks Serry why do I post so much?....I'm a fan of the band "unlike sebastion" who claims he's not a queen fan. Also, Why the aggressiveness?....I'm tired of reading endless crap about brians personal life, or every little thing he says or doesn't say. enough already!.... I'm convinced you're one of these brian may bashers who changed his profile name so no one would recognize you. |
Micrówave 29.01.2010 00:30 |
Fone Bone wrote: First to answer the uncalled for aggressiveness : I'm afraid what I did for Haiti is not the point. As for being told "to get a life instead of caring about what Brian does" by someone who has written 1892 posts about Queen - not that there is anything wrong with that -, it is quite amusing. I will state my point one last time : I regret that since the Haiti earthquake, someone wielding influence like Brian, who in the past organised a global event to raise AIDS awareness, has posted twice about poor hunted foxes and has not had a single word about a global catastrophe for which fellow musicians have raised $66M in days (and of course raised their profiles by doing so, but again is it the point ?) Frankly I didn't think it would be such a divisive issue : Over 150 000 people have died, musicians around the world raise millions of dollars and our favourite rock star obsesses about foxes, as a fan it makes me feel sad. Now I think I'll stick to music-related topics only! And again, thanks Serry You didn't answer the question asked several times. What have YOU done, Fone Bone? I'm guessing nothing. |
Sebastian 29.01.2010 00:54 |
> wait a minute, arn't you the guy who claims "I'm not a Queen fan" Well, I don't know if I'm the only one who claims that, but yes. I'm not a Queen fan; I'm not a fan of any band, TBH. I like some acts (both groups and solo artists), Queen included. Still... it doesn't answer my question: why do you care whether people care or don't care about Brian's reaction to the quake? > what the hell are you doing on this site? This site isn't exclusive to Queen fans. It's a Queen Discussion Forum, not a Queen Worship Shrine. > .......loser! Yes: it's quite likely that all of us (or most of us) have won and lost loads of times, hence we're all 'losers' and 'winners'. I, for one, lost a bet twelve years ago in the Germany vs Croatia football match. I also won sixteen years ago when I said Saudi Arabia would beat Belgium (in retrospect, it still seems quite illogical to have guessed that but that's what happened). So, if you say I'm a winner, you're right; if you say I'm a loser, you're right. Still... it doesn't answer my question: why do you care whether people care or don't care about Brian's reaction to the quake? > I'm afraid what I did for Haiti is not the point. As for being told "to get a life instead of caring about what Brian does" by someone who has written 1892 posts about Queen - not that there is anything wrong with that -, it is quite amusing. Cheers! > I will state my point one last time : I regret that since the Haiti earthquake, someone wielding influence like Brian, who in the past organised a global event to raise AIDS awareness, has posted twice about poor hunted foxes and has not had a single word about a global catastrophe And that's a valid question. There's nothing wrong with wondering about what happened. Some people are just too sensitive about the doctor, and everytime somebody asks about him or says something that's not 'he's God, he's Almighty, Brian please fuck me!', they think we're demonising him or whatever. > Frankly I didn't think it would be such a divisive issue : Over 150 000 people have died, musicians around the world raise millions of dollars and our favourite rock star obsesses about foxes, as a fan it makes me feel sad. The point some have made (which is also valid) is that maybe he's already donated or made some sort of anonymous contribution. People, especially artists and scientists (and Brian's both), are sometimes quite ... variable, not in a hypocrit sense - some days we're more talkative than others. Brian posted a very long message about Maurice Gibb and a relatively short one about Rick Wright - it doesn't necessarily mean he liked Maurice more than Rick (though maybe he did, only he'd know for sure), he may have been in better mood for an obituary in the former case. Same here: it's only a guess, but he may have felt there was nothing else to say, he may have wanted to make some silent donation, he may have been involved in personal issues keeping him from updating his Soapbox as often as earlier, he may have taken it pretty hard, hard enough to be left speechless, etc. > Where did he indicate he cares? He at least cared enough to ask. So do I. > He's asking a (possibly hypothetical) question. So am I. > why do I post so much?....I'm a fan of the band "unlike sebastion" Actually, it's Sebastian, with an 'a'. > who claims he's not a queen fan. And I'm not. I may be a QueenZone fan, but not a Queen fan. > Also, Why the aggressiveness?....I'm tired of reading endless crap about brians personal life, or every little thing he says or doesn't say. enough already!.... It's also annoying to read endless crap about what people write or don't write about Brian, or every little thing people say or don't say about what Brian says or doesn't say. Enough already! > You didn't answer the question asked several times. What have YOU done, Fone Bone? I'm guessing nothing. You didn't answer the question asked several times. Why do you care about whether people care about what Brian says or doesn't say? Don't you have a life. I can't guess if you do or don't, since I don't know you. |
john bodega 29.01.2010 01:02 |
Jesus Cunting Christ .... |
freddiefan91 29.01.2010 03:45 |
Whether Brian has donated or not, its his business nobody else's |
mike hunt 29.01.2010 04:48 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Jesus Cunting Christ .... lol, couldn't have said it better myself. |
Fone Bone 29.01.2010 07:48 |
OK, In spite of some Mayniacs just being rude, a few fair points have been made, notably by Sebastian in his latest post. Speaking of him, whether he wants to be labeled as "a fan" or not is his problem and a question of semantics. He certainly has enough knowledge and appreciation of the band's music to contribute to the Queen fan community more than most on these boards, me included. Microwave, if you must know, I did what I could on my level, which is a modest donation, but then again I didn't accuse Brian of not giving money, how could I know, I was expressing uneasiness at Brian using his public figure status to rant about fox hunting when there is a more immediate, tragic and worthier cause. Hopefully at some point he will have a great initiative regarding Haiti and this whole topic will disappear into a vortex :) |
Sebastian 29.01.2010 11:04 |
In a way, I understand his point: regardless of tragic events in the world, people still kill foxes, and if he's keen on expressing his dismay, then good for him. There are enough artists taking care of Haiti to have that covered: there's not much he could add to that cause. |
GratefulFan 29.01.2010 13:56 |
Just noticed that on the main portal into his site there are prominent (second from top) links to the Disasters Emergency Committee and the American Red Cross with a 'Haiti Earthquake Appeal' reference. I think that covers it well enough and in a similar fashion to other artist sites, with no real need for redundancy on the Soapbox. |
cacatua 29.01.2010 15:06 |
Fone Bone wrote: Let me rephrase that I don't pretend to suggest what Bri should or should not do about Haiti I'm saying I feel uncomfortable that one of my favourite artists, who's supposed to be a man of greater conscience, uses his share of voice to support the cause of snared animals just a few days after one of the worst natural disasters in recent history resulting in the death of over 150 000 It's inapropriate. It is far easier to find people who will get involved in looking after other people in need than it is to find people who will be advocates for animals in need. |