| geldy 08.01.2010 09:01 |
Would be great to know... if Mary said something about Jim's death. |
| Serry... 08.01.2010 09:19 |
There is not. What kind of statement do you expect? "Ha, ha, ha, I won! Mary. Ha!"? |
| geldy 08.01.2010 09:24 |
I asked... don't expect anything... esp. from Russia ;-) By the way... happy new year to RUSSIA and all other members of Queenzone! |
| philip storey 08.01.2010 10:24 |
"Silence is deafening, but the feeling is strong!!!!" |
| queenpaulrodgers 08.01.2010 11:55 |
mary always hates jim, i dont think that she feels sorrow for him |
| Benn Kempster 08.01.2010 13:37 |
Why would there be? |
| Holly2003 08.01.2010 14:17 |
Honestly, who gives a f**k? How does one person not in Queen feel about another person not in Queen? Some of you appear to be more interested in soap than music. |
| geldy 08.01.2010 14:24 |
@ Holly2003: It's generally right what you said... I'm not interested in "soaps" but since I "ate" Mercury and Me I think about Jim and Mary... But nothing's better than Queen... Especially Freddie :-) |
| pittrek 09.01.2010 04:25 |
Holly2003 wrote: Honestly, who gives a f**k? How does one person not in Queen feel about another person not in Queen? Some of you appear to be more interested in soap than music. Well now you see why are tabloids more popular than serious newspapers :) |
| We Are The Champions 09.01.2010 09:16 |
Serry... wrote: There is not. What kind of statement do you expect? "Ha, ha, ha, I won! Mary. Ha!"? Why the hell would Mary make a statement anyway? |
| Micrówave 09.01.2010 13:59 |
Mary had a solid alibi. No statement was necessary. |
| john bodega 09.01.2010 14:54 |
"Good riddance to the free loading bastard, I hope he chokes".- Mary Austin. |
| Dan C. 09.01.2010 21:53 |
IS THAT CONFIRMED!? |
| Gregsynth 09.01.2010 22:34 |
Dan Corson loves you! wrote: IS THAT CONFIRMED!?It definitely is confirmed. |
| tay120 09.01.2010 22:42 |
Of course not. Mary is a mean bitch. |
| beautifulsoup 09.01.2010 23:01 |
Benn Kempster wrote: Why would there be? Yep. |
| Pim Derks 10.01.2010 06:45 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Good riddance to the free loading bastard, I hope he chokes".- Mary Austin. On a piece of mango, like Freddy did according to Jim in his tabloidbook? |
| Darren1977 11.01.2010 09:21 |
She got Freddies house in the end and not Jim. Thats all she was ever interested in. Jim was cheated out of it. |
| GratefulFan 11.01.2010 09:23 |
Darren1977 wrote: She got Freddies house in the end and not Jim. Thats all she was ever interested in. Jim was cheated out of it. Ohforgodsake |
| Serry... 11.01.2010 10:27 |
Darren1977 wrote: She got Freddies house in the end and not Jim. Thats all she was ever interested in. Jim was cheated out of it. You should add something like 'Mrs Austin's spokesman said' in the end. |
| The Real Wizard 11.01.2010 16:22 |
Darren1977 wrote: She got Freddies house in the end and not Jim. Thats all she was ever interested in. Jim was cheated out of it. Who the hell are you, Jim's brother or something? Mary got the house because Mary was his only true friend. The fact that Jim cashed in by writing a tell-all book where he bashes Mary says all we need to know about him. |
| Pim Derks 11.01.2010 16:54 |
Plus, we know that he has a big cock according to Freddy. |
| Pim Derks 11.01.2010 16:55 |
I mean had. |
| Darren1977 12.01.2010 13:52 |
In Jims book he says that he was "married" to Freddie. |
| mooghead 12.01.2010 14:56 |
According to Jim, his book, including Freddies last moments, was written not only with Freddies knowledge but with his blessing. Easy to say after Freddie died. Jim Hutton is the biggest leech that ever crawled the earth. He is a scumbag bottomfeeder. His death should be celebrated. Hope he spent Freddie's (thats Freddie, not Freddy.. supposed Queen fan) money well. |
| Pim Derks 13.01.2010 01:15 |
mooghead wrote: His death should be celebrated. Hope he spent Freddie's (thats Freddie, not Freddy.. supposed Queen fan) money well. Never heard of sarcasm...? |
| LittleSilhouetto 16.01.2010 15:40 |
I can't believe some of the awful things some people have said about Jim. Freddie loved him, so why isn't that enough for you ? If you're going to accuse him of being a gold-digger, then you can apply that to every single person in Freddie's life. |
| April 16.01.2010 17:48 |
With a few exceptions Mary must have been Freddie's only true friend. Some of his lovers wanted just his money and to live at his expense, doing nothing. |
| plumrach 18.01.2010 03:41 |
I think Freddie saw Jim as a bit simple and was therefore able to use him to a degree |
| mike hunt 18.01.2010 04:42 |
Sir GH wrote:Darren1977 wrote: She got Freddies house in the end and not Jim. Thats all she was ever interested in. Jim was cheated out of it.Who the hell are you, Jim's brother or something? Mary got the house because Mary was his only true friend. The fact that Jim cashed in by writing a tell-all book where he bashes Mary says all we need to know about him. maybe he had good reason to bash mary, you ever think of that?....maybe she's not so innocent afterall. 2 sides to every story. |
| john bodega 18.01.2010 05:12 |
Sir GH wrote: The fact that Jim cashed in by writing a tell-all book where he bashes Mary says all we need to know about him.Mmm... I'm not saying I disagree, exactly, but that's a bit close minded. There's a difference between fact and truth ... the book may have been a "tell-all" but us in the public still don't know everything there is to know. The book may have been in bad taste in our eyes, but ... eh. It wouldn't be entirely fair for any of us to assume the position of final arbiter over Hutton's motivations for what he did. |
| marialopez 11.06.2010 13:05 |
She was in that time and really knows exactly was happened. She was with Mr. Mercury before was famous, a friend for long time, there must a reason he don't like Jim Hutton. When you died you give more to the person that deserve it. |
| freddiefan91 14.06.2010 02:58 |
Freddie said in an interview that he could never fall in love with a man the same way he did with Mary and Jim knew that and Freddie always took Mary to events where the press would be instead of Jim and Jim obviously resented that Mary was there for freddie from before Queen were famous and she was the love of Freddies life, Freddie may have loved Jim but he was not in love with him |
| john bodega 14.06.2010 12:27 |
Her statement wasn't a written one but a video of her dancing on Jim's grave. |
| LittleSilhouetto 16.06.2010 09:14 |
That bit above written by me saying I can't believe the awful things said about Jim etc., was written in January about things said which were much worse than what's been put above. I don't know why it's suddenly been posted again. Incidentally, the reason Freddie didn't leave Jim the house could be because both Freddie and Jim thought Jim would die soon. So there'd be no point. |
| Holly2003 16.06.2010 10:31 |
freddiefan91 wrote: Freddie said in an interview that he could never fall in love with a man the same way he did with Mary and Jim knew that and Freddie always took Mary to events where the press would be instead of Jim and Jim obviously resented that Mary was there for freddie from before Queen were famous and she was the love of Freddies life, Freddie may have loved Jim but he was not in love with him --------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow how much wishful thinking is there in those comments ... |
| plumrach 17.06.2010 02:32 |
it just shows how everybody has a different opinion on Mary and JIm whether they are right or wrong the only people that really know what went on at that time are Mary and Jim and tbh im inclined to side with Mary on what went on |
| skip 17.06.2010 02:45 |
plumrach wrote: it just shows how everybody has a different opinion on Mary and JIm whether they are right or wrong the only people that really know what went on at that time are Mary and Jim and tbh im inclined to side with Mary on what went on ------------------- Joe, Jim, and Peter took care of Freddie every single day while Freddie was seriously ill. Joe and Jim were HIV + at this time and had to worry and deal with that during this same time period. The way that the three of them were treated by Mary (and Jim Beach) is sickening. To me, from what I've read about Mary, she always came off as a bitch. Karma is truly a bitch. When the three of them were forced from Garden Lodge they were no longer prisoners. One a daily basis they weren't haunted by Freddie by being in Freddie's house. Mary is the one who became the prisoner. She got what she deserved. |
| plumrach 17.06.2010 03:44 |
From what ive heard Joe went to Freddie and said he was concerned about what might happen after Freddie died so bought Joe a house before he died so he wouldnt of been homeless whatever happened anyway and Jim was also having a house built partly paid for by Freddie and if Freddie really wanted them to stay at Garden Lodge he would of got something legally down on paper like Jim supposedly asked him to do but Freddie chose not to do that Dont forget that all 3 of them were give half a mil each as well so its not like they were left with nothing and the fact that Jim got the same as the workers maybe says something about what Freddie really thought of Jim Mary was well within her rights to give them notice to leave Everyone is entitled to their own opionions on the subject i guess |
| daaydo 15.04.2012 15:42 |
Ok, so I just finished reading Hutton's "Mercury and Me". I was appauled by what Mary put him and the other residents of Garden Lodge through after Mr. Mercury's death at 6:48pm on November 24th, 1991. For those who aren't aware, Jim, as well as Joe Fanelli, Peter Freestone, etc. were forced to leave the home 3 months after Freddie's death- because there were no written documentation of Freddie saying that they could stay, although he did say that. So they were all forced to leave their home of many years, while Mary got to have the place all for herself. She also changed the house a little and didn't respect Jim or the others. She made them take any gifts they had given Freddie- she said or else she would sell them. They were no longer welcome for holidays at the lodge and they were forced to take many memories out of there safe spots. Jim once confronted her that he lost his man, him home, his things, and even his life. When he calmed down he apologized to Mary for exploding on her. She had no reaction. She never really contacted him again- even though Jim tried so hard to reach out to her- he even sent postcards to her from trips. From what I understand, Mary didn't like Jim- Jim said himself that it came as no surprise to him that she didn't like him. Based on these facts and other pretty rude and just plain mean acts she has pulled on Hutton, I personally don't think she had much of a reaction about his death- as sad as that may be. I always adored Mary for still loving Freddie as a friend after he had been gay throughout their relationship- but after the last few chapters of Hutton's book, all I can say is "Wow, I am shocked". Sorry this was sort of like a review rather than an answer, but oh well. (All credits on info to "Mercury and Me") Read it if you disagree with me ;) |
| daaydo 15.04.2012 15:48 |
And those bashing Jim/ Mary- honestly, I don't think it's right. They are both good people I think and even if they had beef between eachother I firmly believe that they were always respectful and loving towards Freddie and that's all that matters. He adored them both and I think they both were the only real relationships in Freddie's life (love wise) In that Freddie and Jim did refer to eachother as "husbands" and they had wedding bands, while I think if Freddie wasn't gay or bisexual he would have married Mary- in that they did move in together and lasted 6 loving years. Just my opinion- and yess I do realize I sort of bashed Mary in my post above, but that was kind of in the heat of the moment just after finishing my book, and when it comes to Freddie I think she was an amazing friend and lover for him and I think she taught him a lot. |
| Supersonic_Man89 16.04.2012 06:01 |
I spoke to Peter Freestone about this briefly in 2010: "Hey Peter, I'm a big fan of Freddies and recently purchased the late Jim Hutton's book 'Mercury & Me'. It was a very interesting read and gave a rather special insight into the life of Freddie. However, the ending where he discusses Mary Austin's behaviour was a little troubling. It seemed awfully harsh and completely the opposite of how Freddie would have wanted his closest friends to continue. In some ways it may have been a blessing in disguise to have been kicked out of Garden Lodge so soon, so you Jim and Joe weren't surrounded by the house you shared with Freddie, allowing you to maybe move on slightly easier. However, I can also imagine it to be an unnecessary and unfair inconvenience. What if you didn't want to move on yet? What if you felt in March 1992, it wasn't time, not yet, you weren't ready? It's a shame as when you watch documentaries about Freddie, Mary always comes across as the adorable girlfriend who stood by her man, and allowed him his freedom. So I've always had an admiration for her. However, her behaviour after Freddie passed on sounds like a nightmare. So I was wondering if her attitudes have changed since the early nineties and did she warm to Jim at all before he died? Thankyou Luke" "As far as I am aware Mary's feelings never changed. Saying that, she was in a very uncomfortable position after Freddie died. Mary was a beneficiary of Freddie's will and the executors had control of everything and to let his will progress through probate, it was felt that Garden Lodge could not have tenants living there. Things are very rarely 'black and white'. Life continues through many shades of grey!! I hope this helps. Take care Peter" |
| Queen4ever13 20.04.2012 11:38 |
LittleSilhouetto wrote: That bit above written by me saying I can't believe the awful things said about Jim etc., was written in January about things said which were much worse than what's been put above. I don't know why it's suddenly been posted again.Incidentally, the reason Freddie didn't leave Jim the house could be because both Freddie and Jim thought Jim would die soon. So there'd be no point.Very good point, that would make sense. Who knows the real side it's all how each person perceived it. Whether there were any ulterior motives by any of them. Jim didn't seem like a free-loading gold diggin kind of guy. Freddie chose to be with him. Don't know why Mary had anomosity toward him, she knew she was getting the house and more way before hand. I respect that she was always quiet, but I don't knock Jim for writing a book. As a fan whatever Freddie's feelings were for them and whomever he chose to bestow his fortune I have to respect. |
| brENsKi 20.04.2012 11:46 |
she paraphrased freddie from what i heard. she said: "hey-hey-hey, hey-ho, now most of you know that i was bequeathed some of Freddie's property in the last week...for what it's worth i'm gonna be doing a bit of redocorating, in the dark black dulux category - whatever you call it. that doesn't mean i've lost all my pastel shades, ok? i mean, it's only a bloody mansion house. people get so excited about these things" |
| malicedoom 20.04.2012 14:08 |
She said "Yeah, that's right. I've still got those original lyrics of Freddie's to Bohemian Rhapsody that he gave to Jim that I refused to give back after I tossed Jim's ass out of here. So?? Wanna make something of it???" Or something along those lines - I can't remember exactly... |
| thomasquinn 32989 23.04.2012 08:17 |
From what I gather, Mary got the house primarily because she had small children at the time, and Freddie wanted to do something for them. I think it was a beautiful gesture of a dying man helping care for new life. Other than that, I have no interest in Mary, Jim, Billy-Bob, Scruffy the Janitor or whatever sordid business they get involved in. |
| john bodega 24.04.2012 04:08 |
"Mary got the house primarily because she had small children at the time, and Freddie wanted to do something for them" What a macabre, ghoulish thing to do. Imagine those poor children having to live in that drafty building, haunted every night by the ghost of a gay man!? Just when they're drifting off to sleep ... the cold, bony fingers clutch at them! And - BOOOOO! THE GHOST OF FREDDIE MERCURY APPEARS |
| GratefulFan 24.04.2012 08:05 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Just when they're drifting off to sleep ... the cold, bony fingers clutch at them! I dunno. Sounds more like a badger complaint. |
| Queen4ever13 24.04.2012 09:06 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Mary got the house primarily because she had small children at the time, and Freddie wanted to do something for them" What a macabre, ghoulish thing to do. Imagine those poor children having to live in that drafty building, haunted every night by the ghost of a gay man!? Just when they're drifting off to sleep ... the cold, bony fingers clutch at them! And - BOOOOO! THE GHOST OF FREDDIE MERCURY APPEARSWhat an imagination, you should be writing ghost stories cause you scared me! |
| john bodega 24.04.2012 11:55 |
Well you should be scared, because tonight (local time) ... whoever read that entry about Freddie's ghost ... will be visited by him. |
| thomasquinn 32989 24.04.2012 12:22 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Well you should be scared, because tonight (local time) ... whoever read that entry about Freddie's ghost ... will be visited by him.Will he be having metaphysical tea or metaphysical vodka? And does he do requests? |
| malicedoom 26.04.2012 12:13 |
These stories are more haunting than the News of the World album cover... |
| Heavenite 28.04.2012 04:31 |
Not to mention the newspaper! |
| Daniel Nester 28.04.2012 12:52 |
And as we all know, the ghost of gay men are so much more scary than heterosexual ghosts. The horror! |
| john bodega 28.04.2012 13:49 |
Just ask anyone who's spent a night in the Liberace mansion! |
| Marcos Napier 30.04.2012 12:58 |
mooghead wrote: According to Jim, his book, including Freddies last moments, was written not only with Freddies knowledge but with his blessing. Easy to say after Freddie died.Well some band members also have been saying and doing a lot of things the same way. Just saying. |
| brENsKi 30.04.2012 16:26 |
honestly, i really can't see the point of threads like this one... unless the event itself had soem pertinence to a later-released queen song or it's lyric... this is all bollox, people should be here for music connections, and not a fucking soap opera...this is purile shit...you want to get involved in a fucking soap opera? go and join a steps/girls aloud forum... last time i checked this was a music site, and while i'm NOT the internet police, this constant voyeurism into the private lives of the band is a little disturbing and quite a lot creepy |
| jpf 06.05.2012 03:09 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Well you should be scared, because tonight (local time) ... whoever read that entry about Freddie's ghost ... will be visited by him.Just leave a copy of Playboy magazine on top of your quilt when you sleep tonight. That will repel the ghost of Melina. |
| brENsKi 06.05.2012 03:47 |
i think she said "kiss were Freddie and Jim's favourite band" |
| jpf 07.05.2012 01:21 |
brENsKi wrote: i think she said "kiss were Freddie and Jim's favourite band"At least Brian's a KISS fan. |
| GratefulFan 07.05.2012 16:41 |
Brian is gentlemanly and diplomatic and generally respectful of peers. That doesn't make him a 'fan'. It's been pretty clear in his comments that he doesn't see them as particularly serious musicians. Probably because they're not. |
| jpf 09.05.2012 00:09 |
GratefulFan wrote: Brian is gentlemanly and diplomatic and generally respectful of peers. That doesn't make him a 'fan'. It's been pretty clear in his comments that he doesn't see them as particularly serious musicians. Probably because they're not.Wrong. Again. He's a fan of the band and of the members of the band. Paul, Gene, Eric Singer, and Brian are friends. Know something before opening that uneducated mouth of yours next time, dumbass. |
| GratefulFan 09.05.2012 08:10 |
I know what Brian has said, and with anybody as publicly expansive as he is it becomes easy to parse his words. When talking about how Queen and KISS came up at roughly the same time with comparable focuses on putting on a good rock show he's said, paraphrasing, "we leaned more towards the music and they leaned more towards the show". On his Soapbox a few years ago, referring to a joint VH1 appearance, he said "Of course the Kiss guys were able to capitalise on the business of going on last, and I'm sure they were very conscious about the way they organised the bows and encores, but, fair play to them - that's the business they are in. For us it was just about acquitting ourselves musically at the highest level we could achieve in that short time, and thoroughly enjoying the interaction.". He went on to say he enjoyed all the bands that day, but clearly drew the distinction on priorities. Anybody with a brain knows KISS' success is not down to their shitty music, Brian May no exception. |
| Holly2003 09.05.2012 10:12 |
Like any diplomatic person, Brian had to master the art of patting morons on the head and saying "well done" when they didn't dribble on themselves too much. Ergo Kiss, the moronic band, and moronic Kiss fans like JPF tend to exagerate Brian's actions into something they're not. |
| jpf 09.05.2012 18:09 |
KISS "Monster" World Tour 2012/13 |
| jpf 09.05.2012 18:10 |
GratefulFan wrote: I know what Brian has said, and with anybody as publicly expansive as he is it becomes easy to parse his words. When talking about how Queen and KISS came up at roughly the same time with comparable focuses on putting on a good rock show he's said, paraphrasing, "we leaned more towards the music and they leaned more towards the show". On his Soapbox a few years ago, referring to a joint VH1 appearance, he said "Of course the Kiss guys were able to capitalise on the business of going on last, and I'm sure they were very conscious about the way they organised the bows and encores, but, fair play to them - that's the business they are in. For us it was just about acquitting ourselves musically at the highest level we could achieve in that short time, and thoroughly enjoying the interaction.". He went on to say he enjoyed all the bands that day, but clearly drew the distinction on priorities. Anybody with a brain knows KISS' success is not down to their shitty music, Brian May no exception.KISS went on last because KISS is the bigger band in the U.S. KISS always sold more lps and concert tickets in the U.S. That's why they went on last at the VH1 Rock Honors show. No need to paraphase. Here is exactly what he said: "KISS - Behind The Mask" Brian May: "I like KISS a lot. Queen were often compared to KISS at the time. We were sort of counterparts. They were the American version and we were the English version. I think we went into it with slightly different ideas. KISS came more from a presentation view to begin with and moved more toward the musical. I think we probably started in the musical and worked more toward the presentation. I have a great regard for KISS 'cause it's all-out. They just had their vision, they had their dream, and they damn well went for it." Your hatred of the band doesn't change the facts that they've sold over 100 million albums world wide, have toured in more countries than Queen, and have been together as a band for over twice as long as Queen. KISS is still popular world wide, are about to release their 20th studio cd "Monster", will be going out on a two year world tour in support of "Monster", and will be celebrating their 40th anniverary next year. Know some facts before opening that ignorant mouth of yours. |
| jpf 09.05.2012 18:12 |
Holly2003 wrote: Like any diplomatic person, Brian had to master the art of patting morons on the head and saying "well done" when they didn't dribble on themselves too much. Ergo Kiss, the moronic band, and moronic Kiss fans like JPF tend to exagerate Brian's actions into something they're not.I say "KISS" and my bitches come running. Good bitches. I've got you well trained. Roll over. Beg. Sit. Good bitches. |
| GratefulFan 09.05.2012 23:48 |
Here's a handful of examples of Brian talking about musicians he admires for their musicianship: http://www.brianmay.com/brian/mags&press/tgjan02/tgjan02c.html And Chickenfoot on his Soapbox: I had a great time with these guys last weekend. And boy - what an encyclopedia of how to play great rock music. "Chickenfoot rock - all real, all brilliant musicianship … all power and passion." "Chicken Foot are a new California 'Super Group' of wondrous musicians having a ball together and playing REAL rock music. Just reading the group line-up is enough to get your taste-buds going ... it's a Classic Rock Nerd's dream ... (I proudly count myself in that category) - the awesome Chad Smith (from Red Hot Chili Peppers) on drums ... undoubtedly one of the world's finest ... Michael Anthony (Van Halen) - undoubtedly one of the worlds greatest bass players ... on vocals Sammy Hagar (Montrose and Van Halen) ... undoubtedly one of the world's great rock and roll vocalists, writers, guitarist front men. And ... Jesus Christ ... who would you like on Guitar? Joe Satriani!!! Well, our cup overflows, a finer guitarist you can find nowhere on this planet ..." Compare that to comments on KISS who "had a vision and went for it". LOL. Damned with faint praise or what. And the point isn't that KISS went last on the VH1 thing, it's that AGAIN, when given a chance to talk about their musicianship as he virtually always does when discussing peers he admires, he instead makes reference once again to the presentation. Like when they 'moved toward the musical'. But never quite got there. LOL. Wake up and smell the coffee, read between the lines, whatever. Take note of what he didn't say. Brian is not going to embarrass himself by referencing the virtually non-existent talent of a group like KISS. I'm sure he respects the longevity and the success and the business acumen, but that's different than having a real regard for them as musicians. Which was the limit of my original point. And on a final note, he did that American version/English version/counterparts schtick with Journey too. Journey! Diplomacy in action. Way too much energy implied in the notion of me having "hatred" for the band. I'd be completely overcome with indifference and the occasional fit of giggles if it weren't for your reliably jaw droppingly antisocial and absurd overreactions to KISS criticism. I should be a bigger person maybe, but I find it entertaining and train wreck fascinating that a man in his forties is willing to behave as you do over such an adolescent fixation. Plus there's your general psychopathy. Oh and the side splitting predictability and seeming lack of a single original thought. Good times. |
| Holly2003 10.05.2012 02:05 |
"But never quite got there" LOL! |
| jpf 10.05.2012 03:43 |
Holly2003 wrote: "But never quite got there" LOL!KISS "Monster" World Tour 2012/13 |
| jpf 10.05.2012 03:45 |
So, now you're Brian May's spokesperson. LOL Honestly, you're a fucking idiot. Go fetch, bitch. |
| Holly2003 10.05.2012 05:27 |
jpf wrote:That's a cheap copy of something I said to you about a month ago, only my comments were classier and funnier. And accurate. Like Kiss, all you do is regurgitate. They're a shallow low-rent band of dumb drag artists, with an identical fanbase. People amused by shiny objects, lowbrow lyrics, and cheesy 4-chord "rawk".Holly2003 wrote: Like any diplomatic person, Brian had to master the art of patting morons on the head and saying "well done" when they didn't dribble on themselves too much. Ergo Kiss, the moronic band, and moronic Kiss fans like JPF tend to exagerate Brian's actions into something they're not.I say "KISS" and my bitches come running. Good bitches. I've got you well trained. Roll over. Beg. Sit. Good bitches. Your turn. Try to say something original this time. Ask a grown up to help. |
| Amazon 12.05.2012 16:23 |
"Know something before opening that uneducated mouth of yours next time, dumbass." Just so you know, GF is the last person you should ever say that to. She's truly one of the most intelligent and articulate posters on this site. However, I guess I can't be surprised that you wouldn't be able to recognize GF's intelligence. Afterall, you're a KISS fan. |
| john bodega 13.05.2012 01:08 |
Look, you guys would do well to remember who it is you're talking to. link You keep the discussion going with the assumption that you're going to get through to him, but you won't. Hit that video, watch the whole thing, and contemplate that the guy you're talking to thinks that this is genuinely better than a lot of the greatest music to come out of anywhere in the 20th century. |
| 4ctmam 09.08.2012 08:21 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Just ask anyone who's spent a night in the Liberace mansion!Liberace gay? No way, I refuse to believe this! |
| deleted user 28.02.2013 22:36 |
At the time Mary began stewarding Garden Lodge, Richard was a baby/toddler, and Jamie was in the oven. Since Jim, Peter et al were there for Freddie, it would not make sense for them to stay. Freddie no doubt understood this. Freddie's decision for Mary to take the home for herself and her children was excellent. |
| Day dop 02.03.2013 01:20 |
jpf wrote:This is what I got from what you've just said...GratefulFan wrote: I know what Brian has said, and with anybody as publicly expansive as he is it becomes easy to parse his words. When talking about how Queen and KISS came up at roughly the same time with comparable focuses on putting on a good rock show he's said, paraphrasing, "we leaned more towards the music and they leaned more towards the show". On his Soapbox a few years ago, referring to a joint VH1 appearance, he said "Of course the Kiss guys were able to capitalise on the business of going on last, and I'm sure they were very conscious about the way they organised the bows and encores, but, fair play to them - that's the business they are in. For us it was just about acquitting ourselves musically at the highest level we could achieve in that short time, and thoroughly enjoying the interaction.". He went on to say he enjoyed all the bands that day, but clearly drew the distinction on priorities. Anybody with a brain knows KISS' success is not down to their shitty music, Brian May no exception.KISS went on last because KISS is the bigger band in the U.S. KISS always sold more lps and concert tickets in the U.S. That's why they went on last at the VH1 Rock Honors show. No need to paraphase. Here is exactly what he said: "KISS - Behind The Mask" Brian May: "I like KISS a lot. Queen were often compared to KISS at the time. We were sort of counterparts. They were the American version and we were the English version. I think we went into it with slightly different ideas. KISS came more from a presentation view to begin with and moved more toward the musical. I think we probably started in the musical and worked more toward the presentation. I have a great regard for KISS 'cause it's all-out. They just had their vision, they had their dream, and they damn well went for it." Your hatred of the band doesn't change the facts that they've sold over 100 million albums world wide, have toured in more countries than Queen, and have been together as a band for over twice as long as Queen. KISS is still popular world wide, are about to release their 20th studio cd "Monster", will be going out on a two year world tour in support of "Monster", and will be celebrating their 40th anniverary next year. Know some facts before opening that ignorant mouth of yours. Kiss toured harder, they're based in a bigger country and they've been together twice as long - but despite that, they've sold a third of what Queen have. What's your point there? |
| brENsKi 02.03.2013 11:43 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Her statement wasn't a written one but a video of her dancing on Jim's grave. since when did "stamping violently up and down on the spot" interspersed with "pissing uncontrollably" fit into the category of "dancing" ? |
| Mr.Jingles 02.03.2013 19:43 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: From what I gather, Mary got the house primarily because she had small children at the time, and Freddie wanted to do something for them. I think it was a beautiful gesture of a dying man helping care for new life. Other than that, I have no interest in Mary, Jim, Billy-Bob, Scruffy the Janitor or whatever sordid business they get involved in.Come to think of it. Mary inherited the house, it was her legal property once Freddie died. Now put yourself in her place... She had 2 young boys with her. Would you want a man with AIDS (Joe Fannelli) and another with HIV positive (Jim Hutton) who are not related to you in anyway, to live in your property where you are raising your kids? Besides, both Jim Hutton and Joe Fannelli inherited a good amount of money after Freddie died. They had more than enough money to buy themselves a decent apartment. It's not so much like Mary kicked them out of the house penniless. |
| Missreclusive 02.03.2013 20:16 |
Kiss, even more ridiculous as they age |
| john bodega 03.03.2013 06:24 |
"Freddie's decision for Mary to take the home for herself and her children was excellent" It was the worst fucking thing he could have done. |
| Mr.Jingles 03.03.2013 08:25 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Freddie's decision for Mary to take the home for herself and her children was excellent" It was the worst fucking thing he could have done.Well, you didn't know Mary Austin in person, so how can you tell? Freddie obviously trusted her far more than any other person. The house was his legal property and he's entitled to give it to any person he wants. |
| loveumj 26.09.2018 17:51 |
I'm with you, I don't have much respect for her anymore. |
| bucsateflon 26.09.2018 20:37 |
are you a zombie? |
| VanP 10.01.2019 17:04 |
I have read Jim Hutton's book, and I have read several statements about Mary. what stands out to me is that Jim states early in the book that he always knew that Mary would get the estate. Freddie also said publicly that if he died that he would leave everything to Mary, and that she was the only person he trusted. Within a week or two of his death, Jim asked Freddie what would become of him once he died, where would he go as he was leaving the estate to her? Freddie told him that they would have to work that out. Bear in mind, that Jim was bombarding Freddie with these questions while he was dying. Mary always controlled the finances. Jim's paycheck, gifts, allowances, all run through Mary. (Jim complains about Mary suggesting that Freddie buy him a used car, and objecting to a pay raise for him). Freddie had the ultimate decision, but gifts like the Audi that Freddie bought for Jim was still in Freddie's name. He did leave 500,000 pounds to Jim Hutton, 500,000 pounds to Joe Fanelli, his chef. why did the supposed love of his life receive the same as his chef? Doesn't this raise questions as the authenticity of some of the claims made by Jim Hutton in his book? Honestly, I felt worse for Jim Hutton prior to reading his book. I believed Mary Austin was a cold bitch until I read, and started to question what he said. The relationship between Jim Hutton and Freddie Mercury was not stable/consistent until the last year -year and a half of Freddie's life. He always cheated until he was no longer physically capable. Mary was always there, and didn't judge him. He kept her very close by for a reason. Maybe it was the unconditional love that is often impossible in romantic or physical relationships. the type that can be developed only through time and unconditional love and friendship. Hutton was not left broke. it's not up to us to question Freddie's choices in his will. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 10.01.2019 17:21 |
VanP: It was actually a Volvo, not an Audi. But anyways, Jim didn't "bombard" Freddie with the questions. Come on. It honestly sounds like you're just here to smear a man who isn't here to defend himself. Where is your information that their relationship wasn't stable until 1990? Jim states in the book that after he saw Freddie leave Stafford Terrace with a guy he finally told him to make up his mind, and he did. That could not have been in 1990. I'd say a couple living together calling each other husband is a stable relationship. A possible reason that Mary got the house is that Freddie probably assumed Jim (and Joe) would be dead in a couple of years anyway, and then what would happen to the house? Mary also had the advantage of having been around a whole lot longer than Jim. But enough with the sainting "She never judged him, never questioned him" bullshit because we don't know that. |
| FunLovinCriminal 11.01.2019 21:59 |
@ VanP: If Mary really was the „only person he (Freddie) trusted“, why did he appoint Jim Beach to be his executor? Why did he let Freestone and Fanelli watch him live his life, had he not trusted them? There are statements made, for example by Freestone and John Reid, which bolster up Jim Hutton's statements about Mary Austin. „In the end I had won“, was how Reid quoted Austin after she had inherited most of Freddie's estate. Freestone's „What He Left Behind“-book also shows a rather grim side of Austin. She reportedly hated Fanelli, she fired Freestone after she had asked him to stay with her to look after her, she hated Hutton. Or why would she had said „Freddie's already waiting for you“ to him after Freddie had passed away? She was an employee of Freddie and helped him acting out a lie in public? How trustworthy can she thus be? In private, she probably didn't give a fuck when she got to know that Jim had passed away. Publicly she never made a statement, as far as we know. |
| Papa Emeritus IV 14.01.2019 16:21 |
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| cmsdrums 16.01.2019 09:51 |
FunLovinCriminal wrote: @ VanP: If Mary really was the „only person he (Freddie) trusted“, why did he appoint Jim Beach to be his executor? .That's a fairly obvious one...Jim is a qualified lawyer/solicitor and handled Freddie's financial and business affairs. Seems the perfectly clear choice as and independent executor. |
| Holly2003 16.01.2019 10:59 |
I hope she's spending it all on coke and male prostitutes. It's what Fred would have wanted. |
| FunLovinCriminal 17.01.2019 19:39 |
@ cmsdrums: Sure, I was wanting to point out that Mary was not the only person he (Freddie) really trusted. |
| ForFreddie 22.01.2019 18:45 |
Mary accomplished exactly what she set out to do. To Freddie and the world, she presented herself as little miss goody two shoes, little miss innocent, all sweetness and light. Which is why, after their breakup, she continued to play the understanding, supportive best friend....all she had to do, was, pretend to love and care about a gay man.... after all, how hard could it be, it's not like she had to continue sleeping with him. Just show up at functions, get photographed, smiling, looking adoringly at Freddie, not a hard thing to do, when you're looking at a fortune coming your way in the future. I say these things, based on comments Mary, herself has made, since Freddie's death and, her actions...she comes off very cold and calculating... remember, she's the one who found the house Freddie ultimately bought, it suited HER, she knew exactly what she was doing, picturing the house being hers some day. From the age of 19, to now, Mary hasn't had to work a day, Freddie supported her and, he still is, not too shabby for a girl from meager means. Oh, at first, I believed Mary was the person the public saw, but, that changed with the death of Freddie and, the true Mary was exposed. After the breakup, Mary could have gone her own way, but, that was when Freddie had started to make it big....so, the dollar signs appeared in her eyes, why not play on the fact, Freddie adored her still and, considered her to be the love of his life? Mary used him, she was manipulative and greedy, she knew she could make Freddie do anything she wanted....I suspect that to be the reason the band members and, Jim Hutton didn't like her, they saw, what Freddie couldn't. Mary was/is, nothing more than a gold-digging, bitch. |
| Holly2003 22.01.2019 19:02 |
Crackpot City: Population 1. |
| Donna13 22.01.2019 19:40 |
Their romantic relationship lasted about seven years. After the breakup, they remained very close. As for her character, she remained a close and loyal friend to Freddie. You could see his face light up when she was next to him. This was not an act for the cameras. I think we have all probably had the experience of not liking some friends of our friends. That is our protective nature maybe, being critical of others. I can only assume that was the case with Mary and Jim. Also, anger and blame sometimes go along with grief. When a person is so devastated after a loss, anger can feel like a less painful emotion than sadness. It is a distraction from the most painful feelings and thoughts. |
| FunLovinCriminal 23.01.2019 00:47 |
Right, Donna. But she hated Joe Fanelli, she didn't like Jim Hutton, she asked Phoebe to stay after Freddie had passed away, only to sack him a few weeks later. And then she had the nerve to complain in David Wigg's interview that all of Freddie's staff had gone, because he had been so generous towards them. Also, after Freddie's death, John Reid happened to meet her by chance. And she must have said something like „I've won, in the end“, as John Reid remembered. I don't know about you, but something is really fishy here... |
| Donna13 23.01.2019 03:16 |
Well, because she is a private person, she will probably not be addressing any of the stories that are told about her online or in the gossip newspapers. So it is not fair to her to bring up all the “he said” stories here. Peter Freestone seems like the nicest person in the world. I can’t imagine anyone not wanting him around, but we don’t know the reasons that she let him go, which might have been very reasonable ones. Maybe she just wanted more “alone time” to deal with her grief. Once a person dies, the only power they still have is their will. I think we can take what Freddie said seriously. He considered Mary to be his common law wife. He said in interviews that she was his only friend and that no man could replace her. And his will confirms this. He seemed to trust Jim Beach, his bandmates, parents, sister and Mary in the end to carry out his wishes, including that Mary keep the location of his ashes secret. |
| ForFreddie 23.01.2019 03:38 |
But, Donna, Freddie's will stipulated, all people, currently residing in the home, we're to stay until their inheritances kicked in... Mary kicked them out immediately. So much for respecting the dying wish of the man she was supposed to have loved and respected. The comment about, 'having won?' can only be taken one way.... what else could it have meant? I think Freddie was wrong for trusting her and, I think his band mates and, Jim Hutton had seen who she really was and, THAT was the reason she didn't like them. Freddie? He needed Mary, because, she represented normalcy, during a time when he didn't know who/what he was...she was someone he could look to, to feel normal, as long as she was around, well, she was his, ' normal,' if that makes sense. Still, I believe, with everything in me, she played him. |
| FunLovinCriminal 23.01.2019 18:54 |
Donna, what do you mean by stating that „she is a private person“. If she really is, why did she take part in Freddie's charade and turn up as his girlfriend at official receptions until the mid 80's? Besides everything I hat mentioned is on online or red top-gossp-stories. It's been stated in Phoebe's second book, in Jim Hutton's book and in an interview with John Reid. Jim, Phoebe and Joe weren't even allowed to celebrate christmas in Garden Lodge, but had to have it in the mews building due to Mary's order shortly after FM had died. |
| spiralstatic 23.01.2019 19:39 |
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| spiralstatic 23.01.2019 19:40 |
ForFreddie wrote: But, Donna, Freddie's will stipulated, all people, currently residing in the home, we're to stay until their inheritances kicked in... Mary kicked them out immediately. So much for respecting the dying wish of the man she was supposed to have loved and respected. The comment about, 'having won?' can only be taken one way.... what else could it have meant? I think Freddie was wrong for trusting her and, I think his band mates and, Jim Hutton had seen who she really was and, THAT was the reason she didn't like them. Freddie? He needed Mary, because, she represented normalcy, during a time when he didn't know who/what he was...she was someone he could look to, to feel normal, as long as she was around, well, she was his, ' normal,' if that makes sense. Still, I believe, with everything in me, she played him.Freddie's will is a public document. You can read it. It says nothing about anyone staying in the house. It simply leaves the house to Mary, the respective amounts of money Freddie left to people and the percentages of royalties to Mary and Freddie's parents and sister (and any children of Freddie's sister.) . Freddie even stipulates that in the event all of his living relatives should die, 100% of the royalties would then go to Mary and only if everyone - to charity. I'm sure Freddie told Jim and them all they could stay, but it isn't in his will. The truth is nobody here knows Jim or Mary. Freddie did and he loved them both. I just can't imagine why people hate either of them. Freddie trusted and loved Mary and she stuck by him for many years and as Freddie told it was there for him in ways no-one else was. Is Freddie's word not enough? You say she gained from it, but surely she sacrificed things too, such as her own marriages for starters. It is also notable, that in several accounts from friends of Freddie's fro the early days, they speak of how it is not easy to remain friends with and close to someone when they become so famous, for it can destroy you without anyone meaning it to. Freddie loved Jim and it seems he found peace and contentment with Jim in the last years of his life - a thing which I am so happy he did eventually seem to find in his romantic life. I for one am happy Freddie had both of these people in his life. It isn't for us to say why Freddie left anyone anything (though for the record, £500,000 is more than most people would earn in two lifetimes... and this was nearly 30 years ago so in today's money it'd be over a million pounds in comparison! Seriously.... why would you want anything from someone you loved anyway? They're gone - nothing can bring them back.! Might I add, having lost someone very close to me, in fact when you have first lost that person the absolute hardest thing in the world is to live in the place where they spent their last months and days - memories of them are everywhere and worse, memories of them ill and dying - it is INCREDIBLY difficult for a long time to live in such a place), but what they did afterwards is down to them. Maybe Mary should have let everyone stay at Garden Lodge. Maybe Jim shouldn't have written a book that revealed intimate details Freddie definitely would not have wanted to be public. Does it really surprise you Jim and Mary would struggle to get on? The closeness of Mary to Freddie must have been hard for any of Freddie's lovers, just as the closeness of Freddie to Mary was evidently hard for all of Mary's lovers. It isn't surprising. My view is it isn't things that are said about people that reveal who a person is in such a situation, but things people say about others. So for me what Jim says about Mary reveals more about Jim than Mary, and we don't have the counter as we don't have Mary's words about Jim. But you can take your own views from everything of course. What you cannot say is that you know, and however much you believe any thing it is only that - a belief and it can be 100% false. It seems to me Freddie did not trust people easily - Mary was pretty unique and he clearly loved and trusted her. If you think Freddie had such terrible judgement, then you are of course free to think as you wish. It makes it no more true though. I can understand Jim resenting Mary in those first few months or years - I can understand if they never got on and I understand further resentment because what she was left meant more than the physical stuff - I guess leaving a person a certain amount of stuff is indicative of giving them your continued love. However, unrelated to Mary - I do find it hard to understand some of the things Jim shared in his book. I know for sure Freddie would not have wanted his last words and days to be able to be read about in such (any!) detail, so that Jim wrote these things makes me wonder - did he not know that Freddie would have hated it? And if so, how well did he actually know Freddie?! I don't doubt their love, because love doesn't mean you have to know every thing about a person.... Or did Jim know Freddie would have hated it and he wrote and shared this stuff anyway? In which case, why? I'm pretty sure Freddie wouldn't have wanted public arguments either. We don't have Mary's side in any of this, nor Freddie's. Really I think - what's the point in hating anyone? Freddie loved Jim and Mary and if he could do so, I'm pretty sure no-one else has to demonise either of them either. |
| spiralstatic 23.01.2019 19:41 |
sorry - silly double posting forum *tears of woe* |
| Donna13 23.01.2019 20:07 |
Freddie’s Last Will was pretty simple regarding Peter, Jim and Joe. They were to be given money upon Freddie’s death. The payments would have been handled by the Trustees/Executors. There was nothing in the Last Will about letting Joe, Jim, and Peter live in the house. In addition to the house and 50 percent of the estate, Freddie also left the contents of the house and all his personal possessions to Mary. |
| ForFreddie 23.01.2019 22:26 |
I will grant you this, Freddie did love and trust Mary. But, Freddie was also a confused, unhappy man, unhappy with himself, I truly believe he did the things he did, because he was trying to find where he belonged, his purpose in life and, there's Mary, she's 'normal' she knows who/what she is and, as long as she was there, Freddie felt, grounded, she was his anchor, which is why he couldn't completely let go, even after she got married and had children. I suppose it's possible Mary really did care for Freddie, in her own way, it's also possible she was a woman scorned and, her fiance didn't marry her, because he liked other guys, that's gotta be degrading and insulting, it had to have made her feel betrayed...... and, somewhat of a fool.....she had probably told everyone she knew, she was marrying Freddie Mecury...then, it didn't happen. You don't think that can cause a woman to seek/want revenge? Maybe, a feeling of....he owes me, for doing this to me? It's true, not I, or anyone who wasn't there, knows the truth, we're all speculating, based on feelings and, in my case, Mary's behavior, things she said and did after Freddie passed....and, anyone who wasn't there, knows whether or not Freddie knew/approved of things Jim wrote/would have written, in his book. Usually, if a lot of people don't like one particular person, it's because of that one person and, not everyone else.......in the case of the band members and Jim all not liking Mary. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 23.01.2019 22:27 |
Donna- I think he trusted Mary to give some of his things to the three guys and she didn't. Didn't he give Jim a trunk that had photos and she wouldn't let him take it? |
| ForFreddie 23.01.2019 22:39 |
You see, if true, it's things like that, that I hear, that make me even more sure I'm right.... Mary was nothing more than an opportunistic, greedy, gold digger.....she seems to have done things out of sheer spite, she couldn't stand it, that Jim was in the place she used to be, that Freddie also loved HIM.....she wanted to have her cake and eat it too....she wanted Freddie to be all about HER, while she was having boyfriends/husband's and babies. I take back what I said previously, I think the only thing Mary loved about Freddie, was what she could get from him. |
| FunLovinCriminal 23.01.2019 22:42 |
Not only that, take this from Phoebe's second book: During my week’s absence, even more had changed at Garden Lodge. I came back to a twenty-four hour security guard presence, manifested in the person of a burly gentleman who, with his replacements, was stationed all the time presumably to ensure that neither Jim, Joe nor I took anything which was deemed not to belong to us. One of these guards, who I believe were supplied through a contact of Terry Giddings, once apologised to me for enquiring about what I was doing and telling me that he had no idea why he was on site in this way as he would have no idea of what was ours and what was so-called Freddie’s. In the event, we each had to make a formal list of the items, whether ours or ‘Freddie’s’, which we were taking from Garden Lodge. This list might go some way to explaining why I have never been able to retrieve two suitcases of mine, full of my possessions which I left in the loft, believing I could come back for them when I had a home in... Evans, David. FREDDIE MERCURY - What He Left Behind: The Story of What Happened after the death of Freddie Mercury . Tusitala Press. Kindle-Version. |
| ForFreddie 23.01.2019 22:58 |
Poor Freddie, the more I hear, the more I'm sure, he put all of his trust in the wrong person. Mary is absolutely shameless....a first class con artist. |
| spiralstatic 24.01.2019 08:36 |
Alright, I see now that this has to be a wind up. |
| ForFreddie 24.01.2019 14:08 |
Sure. I'm not asking you, or anyone, to believe what I believe. You have your assessment of the situation and, I have mine. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 16:53 |
Holy shit. I'm sorry, but that's wrong. Who was the one feeding him when he couldn't do it himself? That would be Phoebe. And Jim, and Joe. I'm disgusted at how Mary treated them and honestly, Phoebe and Jim stayed classy when they could have exposed her more. I believe Jim couldn't get some of his belongings as well (a trunk I believe?) Like I said, I think Freddie trusted her to do the right thing and she didn't. She waited around for the house to be hers, and felt exonerated because she was jilted. It's so gross. Phoebe deserved so much better, the man devoted his life to Freddie. |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 17:27 |
When Freddie died, he left his friends the equivalent of over a million pounds each (in today’s money). That was very generous and showed his love and appreciation of the three men. That was enough for them to arrange for movers to carry their personal items from the house and enough for them to arrange for temporary accommodations after Freddie died. |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 17:31 |
So, there was no financial burden. The death was expected. There was time to plan and prepare. Of course, they must have all been very sad, and that made it difficult emotionally. Like I said, grief is difficult. Sadness is not the only emotion that survivors go through. |
| ForFreddie 24.01.2019 17:37 |
Spot on, sweetandtenderhooligan.... that's exactly the way it looks to me. |
| ForFreddie 24.01.2019 17:39 |
Donna, I don't remember revenge being one of stages of grief. |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 18:10 |
Revenge is not a stage of grief and I’m not sure if I buy into the “stages of grief” theory anyway. It is a little bit too simple. I’m just saying that grief is a combination of emotions, because a person has to adapt to a new reality and it is a shock to the system. Rather than crying all the time, and feeling complete despair, it feels better (a relief) to feel a different emotion for a while, such as anger or resentment or even paranoia. All these feelings help to distract from what the body cannot tolerate for long and that is deep sadness. |
| ForFreddie 24.01.2019 18:29 |
I know about grief, first hand.... what I don't buy is, becoming the total opposite of what Freddie thought he knew, Mary turned from a sweet, innocent caring person, into one driven by rage, because of what she felt Freddie denied her...she behaved like a woman scorned, who was out for revenge....she vowed to get what would have been hers, had Freddie married her...and, she succeeded...in the process, she also said a big F you, to Jim, a person who despised her for what he knew to be the truth about her and, whom she despised, for what he represented...it was gay men, who took Freddie from her, to begin with. There, a plausible synopsis of what transpired, true or not, it is plausible...it's also my deep down, gut feeling.... which is almost, always right... |
| ForFreddie 24.01.2019 18:34 |
Grief doesn't cause s person to do what Mary did..... because, she wasn't grieving, she had already had everything all planned out...she started plotting her revenge the day Freddie told her he was bisexual....then, as he continued to not want to discuss marriage.... She was hurt, humiliated and angry. But, she showed him, didn't she? |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 18:37 |
Donna, you are ignoring the fact that Jim and Phoebe didn't even have access to their belongings, once security had been installed at Garden Lodge. Your remark on them knowing that Freddie had been terminally ill, thus them having time to arrange for some other place to stay is pretty disgusting. If you're taking care about someone close to you, the last thing you think about is moving from that person. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 18:49 |
Funlovingcriminal: Phoebe stated in his first book that in those last couple of weeks after Freddie stopped medication they didn't know the weather, current events or anything about the outside world because they were so busy taking care of him and the house. He wanted business as usual, so they had to handle that AND caring for a terminally ill man. I'm sure it never occurred to them that Mary would swoop in and do what she did. So no, Donna, they didn't have "time to prepare". They had other things to worry about. |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 18:53 |
Peter Freestone was an expert on the set of the movie. And Brian and Roger had final approval of everything. If it was true that Mary was mean and selfish, then that would have been written into the story. But the fact is that she was a nice person and a loyal and lifelong friend to Freddie. |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 18:57 |
I’m sure they had time to prepare before those final weeks. If they chose not to prepare, then that is understandable. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 18:58 |
They were on a rotating schedule 24 hours a day in addition to doing their jobs, so maybe they didn't have time. |
| ForFreddie 24.01.2019 19:10 |
Mary was written as a warm, caring loving friend to Freddie, because she probably would have sued them if they had written the truth... besides, it really wasn't about Mary and Freddie's relationship, the movie was about Freddie and the band...the movie really didn't dwell on the Freddie/Mary relationship....that isn't the way they wanted it to go... that's for another time, perhaps. The people who wrote the books afterwards, told the truth about Mary. |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 19:15 |
Oh, I believe they were exhausted emotionally and physically, tending to Freddie. They did everything they could to take care of him and keep things as normal as possible. They loved him. But he was diagnosed in 1987, and they knew a certain upheaval would occur in their lives. They must have thought from time to time, what will I do with myself, and where will I live. We don’t know Mary’s side of the story. She didn’t write a tell-all book. Maybe hurtful things were said to her by Jim. Maybe she just wanted to make changes quickly in order to begin a healing process. |
| ForFreddie 24.01.2019 19:17 |
People are trying to portray Mary as the only one who was by Freddie's side, 24/7, until the end. From what I've been reading, that isn't the case at all. She came later, ordering everyone around, issuing orders and, throwing her weight around...then, she proceeded to throw out the people who were actually there, taking care of Freddie. That, is the way it looks. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 19:21 |
Mary's given plenty of interviews, including one where she let photographers inside the house. Joe did prepare, actually, by telling Freddie he'd have no place to go after 13 years and then Freddie bought him a house. Jim had the house in Ireland. Phoebe was probably on autopilot at that point. I can't judge people who were caring for a man dying of AIDS. I just can't and I won't. I can't put myself in their position and try to imagine what they were thinking. We also have to remember that he wasn't dying in 1987, and carried on for a few years working and going on vacation and the like. New developments in treatment were happening every day, and they probably thought he had a chance to be cured. I don't really buy the Mary wanting to make changes thing. Sorry. She wasn't even there when he was dying. When he had the seizure and was unresponsive she still waited until 10:30am to get there and only sat with him for under half an hour. She was waiting for her house. |
| ForFreddie 24.01.2019 19:25 |
Mary had the wall painted, the one Freddie's fans wrote messages to him, on, she then, had a sheet of plastic placed on the area where the fans used to post messages and pictures, so they couldn't continue doing that.....why? How was it hurting her? She couldn't stand the fact, Freddie, the man who rejected her, not for another woman, but, for other MEN, had so many adoring fans, how dare he be so popular, when he betrayed her...and, they never seemed to notice her, she was nothing, unless she was with Freddie......thus, the revenge. You don't have to buy into any of this, you have your own theories, but, with everything in me, I believe it to be correct. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 19:28 |
ForFreddie, I'm not sure why you're telling me I don't have to buy anything when I've agreed with you in every post. |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 19:30 |
I’ve noticed lately some really nasty and disturbed people (maybe the same person) directing their twisted comments toward Brian on his social media. He’s probably too busy getting ready for the Oscars to block them. And he’s looking very fit these days. The increased attention that Queen is getting brings out a lot of new fans, but also the mentally ill who want to hate on somebody. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 19:33 |
Someone mouthed off about Brian Singer and he went off on them. The most disturbing ones are the fans posting Joe Mazzello's address and such on the internet. It's a very deranged group of teenaged and a little older girls obsessed with the actors, and are taking the movie as fact. |
| ForFreddie 24.01.2019 19:35 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan..... sorry, my comments are not aimed at you..... I agree with what you're saying! |
| Invisible Woman 24.01.2019 19:37 |
I think this will be always discussed. Of course none of us know what is the true, but we can have our own opinion. Did Jim and Peter ever say that they should inherit the house, most of the money...? No. They only said that Freddie's will was that they stay in the house as much as they wanted. They also knew that the house would go over to Mary's property. I think Freddie had some reason to believe that their staying would really happen. He signed a bunch of contracts in his life, do you really think he didn't know it wasn't possible without a document or some condition in the will? I don't believe that he trusted only in Mary's word or lied to them when told that he want they to stay in the house. I don't know what happened but she got so much money and earns it still today, but it was so hard for her to fulfill his wish. He didn't want to much and nothing impossible. Mary became the owner of the house and it's not true that they couldn't stay in the house. They could if she wanted it. She could have brought anyone to live in her house. But the fact is she didn't want that they stay. Maybe Freddie didn't expect her to move so fast in the house. And of course, Jim, Joe and Peter wouldn't always stay there to live, sooner or later they would leave. She could at least keep them in jobs, she hired other people anyway. That's my opinion. |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 19:37 |
Oh, I didn’t know it was about Bryan Singer. What a can of worms that is. Thanks for the info. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 19:55 |
Yeah, people need to shut up and stop telling him what to do. It's the Tumblr teens, I'm sure. I think Freddie assumed Mary would do the right thing, and she didn't. It reminds me of when my grandfather died unexpectedly, and not even 24 hours later my awful uncle (by marriage) asked my mother when he could have my grandfather's truck. I don't think Jim or Phoebe expected to live there forever. |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 20:05 |
Donna, the movie ends with the Live Aid-appearance. Why do you even bring up anyone suing each other when the crucial aspect of Mary rushing everybody out of the house was nowhere to be included in the movie? |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 20:55 |
Funlovincriminal: Maybe Mary wouldn't approve of the film unless she was portrayed a certain way? It's so silly- Freddie being angry at being gay, angry he can't be with Mary and constantly pining away turning on lights. I'm really torn at being a huge fan of Brian and Roger to being pretty upset with them for this silly storyline. They had to know people would only view the film and not research to see if it wasn't all true. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 20:55 |
Funlovincriminal: Maybe Mary wouldn't approve of the film unless she was portrayed a certain way? It's so silly- Freddie being angry at being gay, angry he can't be with Mary and constantly pining away turning on lights. I'm really torn at being a huge fan of Brian and Roger to being pretty upset with them for this silly storyline. They had to know people would only view the film and not research to see if it wasn't all true. |
| ForFreddie 24.01.2019 21:07 |
I think we've probably all known someone who wasn't what they wanted people to think they were, it depends on how good an actor those people are, as to how much people believe, some people are easier to fool than others. Mary was a great little actress, she fooled Freddie because he only saw what he wanted to see, Mary HAD to be perfect, he couldn't see her any other way. The people she couldn't fool, she got rid of, as soon as possible. |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 22:29 |
Mary was a very nice person and they were both relatively poor when they met. I’m only in this thread as a reality check in case new fans are reading about Mary and believing stuff that isn’t true about her relationship with Freddie. So much is on the Internet that isn’t true: for example, some people think that Donald Trump is a time traveler. It’s on Youtube! Ha! (Of course I have no proof that it isn’t true. Maybe his hairstyle is popular in some other time period. Maybe humans will stop telling the truth altogether in the coming centuries. Maybe Melania is a robot.) |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 22:41 |
„I’m only in this thread as a reality check“. Oh, really? What are you? Some sort of central scrutinizer? |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 22:43 |
I’m just Donna13! But I like the new title. |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 22:53 |
Donna13, are you aware of the fact that you are communicating with The King of Hearts? I am Lord Diana. And I am only in this thread to make sure that Mary Austin will finally move out of Garden Lodge in order for you to set up your very own Central Scrutinizer Headquarters in West London. What do you make of that now, DonnaUWanna? |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 23:04 |
A very silly idea. Everyone knows Freddie’s ghost is way too scary. |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 23:12 |
Donna13, you must not be unbecomig. What nobody apart from me nows is that the holy grail is still in Garden Lodge, at a secret place: His moustache, or, as they say in the trade, his flavor-saver. Not even Mary knows about this top-secret. Beach, May and Taylor are talking about producing a movie about the moustache right now. |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 23:12 |
Donna13, you must not be unbecomig. What nobody apart from me nows is that the holy grail is still in Garden Lodge, at a secret place: His moustache, or, as they say in the trade, his flavor-saver. Not even Mary knows about this top-secret. Beach, May and Taylor are talking about producing a movie about the moustache right now. |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 23:12 |
Donna13, you must not be unbecomig. What nobody apart from me nows is that the holy grail is still in Garden Lodge, at a secret place: His moustache, or, as they say in the trade, his flavor-saver. Not even Mary knows about this top-secret. Beach, May and Taylor are talking about producing a movie about the moustache right now. |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 23:12 |
Donna13, you must not be unbecomig. What nobody apart from me nows is that the holy grail is still in Garden Lodge, at a secret place: His moustache, or, as they say in the trade, his flavor-saver. Not even Mary knows about this top-secret. Beach, May and Taylor are talking about producing a movie about the moustache right now. |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 23:12 |
Donna13, you must not be unbecomig. What nobody apart from me nows is that the holy grail is still in Garden Lodge, at a secret place: His moustache, or, as they say in the trade, his flavor-saver. Not even Mary knows about this top-secret. Beach, May and Taylor are talking about producing a movie about the moustache right now. |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 23:19 |
I think they should make a movie about Roger’s mother. They could call it Rock’N’Roll Mum. I hope she is still alive and well. |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 23:22 |
I bet you are Roger's mother. Or Mary Austin's sister. Donna Austin. So it must be. |
| Donna13 24.01.2019 23:31 |
I wish I was Roger’s mother! What a cool job! |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 23:34 |
It ain't a job, you bright being. It is a curse. |
| MelancholyBlues24 25.01.2019 02:51 |
Such hate on this site. I would like to think that fans on here are here for Freddie and would stand up for what he decided for himself during his life and in the end. That’s whose side I am on, and I do feel strongly that if Freddie were alive when Jim Hutton published his book, he wouldn’t have taken it too well. I liken it to what Paul Prenter did to Freddie. I don’t see how Jim’s book is any different. Out of all of the people in Freddie’s life, you would think Jim, knowing how Freddie reacted to Paul Prenter’s actions, would have held Freddie’s privacy nearer and dearer than anyone else. Freddie didn’t hesitate to cut anyone from his life immediately and completely if they betrayed his trust, no matter what their role or how long he knew them. I don’t think Jim Hutton would have been any different if Freddie were alive. What Jim did was deplorable. He put Freddie’s most intimate details on display. He sold books, pictures and videos. He went on a talk show circuit. He took and sold the famous yellow Wembley jacket. link. He did not give it to AIDS charity as many state. I also do not believe a word Jim Hutton says, and not because it is my “feeling” or “opinion”, but because he contradicts himself at every turn (written and spoken). He also never shows any regard or respect for Freddie’s privacy and focuses on “I, me, I, me” the entire time telling stories to either make himself out to be the hero or victim. Interviewers ask him how Freddie felt and how Freddie dealt with things, but when he answers he only talks about himself and not Freddie. |
| MelancholyBlues24 25.01.2019 02:55 |
Examples of Jim Hutton’s contradictions, which makes him lose all credibility with me: In this interview, he claims he saw/met Freddie THREE times before he went home with him: link In this interview, he claims he didn’t know who Freddie was until Joe Fanelli told him as he was getting coffee in the kitchen: link In this interview, he claims it was Freddie himself that told him who he was: link In this interview, he claims he found out “during the course of the evening” who Freddie was: link (this entire series is just flat out disgusting and full of inaccuracies). In this interview he claims that Freddie died in his arms: link 5:47 In this interview he claims Freddie was not in his arms, but he was there when Freddie died: link It has been stated, and he has claimed himself that he helped nurse Freddie, but in this interview he says that he didn’t, as he couldn’t bear to see Freddie wasting away: link “Mercury was nursed by Fanelli and Freestone. “He wanted me to do it but I couldn’t bear to see him wasting away,” says Hutton.” He claims in his book that Freddie’s bones broke when they moved him in bed, but Peter Freestone (since people seem to trust him) says otherwise link, link He claims it was Kaposi Sarcoma on Freddie’s shoulder that he had biopsied first and then found out he was HIV positive, but Peter Freestone says it was a mark on his hand, not shoulder link, link. Also, you can see this mark on Freddie’s hand in various photos, so I tend to believe Peter over Jim link, link. He claims that at the end of These are the Days of Our Lives when Freddie looks at the camera and says, “I still love you” that Freddie is talking to HIM and not fans link . Everyone else, including Bryan May, says that was Freddie’s goodbye to his fans. Bryan May stated in an interview that Jim Hutton had an “idealistic” view of his influence on Freddie and the band. He claims that Freddie didn’t have anything to do with the statement released to the press the day before he died, link. But all other accounts say that Freddie worked with Jim Beach on the release, including Peter Freestone link He claims that he was “kicked out of Garden Lodge” by Mary two weeks after Freddie died, but in this interview he claims he didn’t leave until March 1992 link “Hutton left Garden Lodge in March 1992.” He claims that he and Freddie continued to have sex, but with condoms, after Freddie’s diagnosis, but Freddie HIMSELF said otherwise link “I've stopped going out, whatever, and to be honest I've almost become a nun. I learned the hard way. I thought sex was a very important thing to me because I lived through sex, and now I've gone completely the other way. You see, I'm one of those people who can go from black to white; I don't like intermediary measures or anything. It's quite easy for me to completely give up. I can give up alcohol at the drop of a hat. And yes, it [HIV/Aids] has frightened me to death and I have stopped having sex.” There are claims that they called each other “husband”, but there is nowhere in print or in interview, where Freddie says that. It doesn’t matter if someone’s sister’s husband’s cousin’s Aunt claims that they called each other that, unless you see it or hear it from Freddie, I would question it. There are two interesting blogs from Peter Freestone on Freddie and marriage. This is one of them link. Also, Freddie wore a ring on his right hand at various times throughout his life and career. It may have been when he was in a relationship with someone, so the ring he wore while with Jim isn’t anything different than what he would normally do. He has one on in the Leiden interview link from 1984. And I would like to see in print or in interview somewhere, anywhere where the band states that they hate Mary Austin and that Mary was the one that had guards placed at Garden Lodge. That was more than likely part of probate and securing the property as it went through the process to prevent break-ins and looting. Just because it may have happened, doesn’t mean it was ordered by Mary. I think Peter Freestone says it best on his blog: “I must admit that sometimes I wonder if people check their facts before making statements on facebook etc. Like many people I check various fan pages and I am astounded by all the misinformation that I read that is stated as hard fact. I am sure that these people believe what they write, but for the rest of us, please don’t accept everything you read as the truth, without checking up on some of the more outrageous things that you see laid down.” |
| MelancholyBlues24 25.01.2019 03:29 |
And I realize that I spelled Brian's name wrong. That's autocorrect for you... |
| MisterCosmicc 25.01.2019 05:44 |
Freddie: I have no friends, only Mary. Freddie: I stopped having sex. Don’t take Freddie’s dry sense of humor seriously. |
| spiralstatic 25.01.2019 06:28 |
Thank you for collating all of this MelancholyBlues24. For Freddie & others: it is fine to have opinions on events, but you need to acknowledge when that has changed to inventing your own story entirely about who a person is. The reason I had to assume it was a wind up in here was the level of distance from fact at which you were speaking not only of Mary or Jim, but of Freddie too. And of course we do not know everything about Freddie, let alone others, but that does not mean it is fine to just assume people are exactly how your own imagination suggests to you & fill in the blanks with untruths which you then begin to believe. In my view, when differing opinions become definitely not ok is when you begin insulting people and assuming & stating characteristics you categorically do not know are facts about who they were. At that point, your words too no longer say anything true about the person you speak of. Because you can’t say anything true when it comes from a place of such unfounded conjecture. The words you say can then only express something about you. People in this thread explicitly stating Mary wanted revenge, and directed towards Freddie too. In my view it is not ok & it needs to be acknowledged that however much you believe it, you don’t know it at all & have no proof, so it is not ok to either insult a person this way as though it is fact or use things as foundations for your reasoning which you made up yourself. |
| Invisible Woman 25.01.2019 10:55 |
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| Invisible Woman 25.01.2019 10:59 |
@Melancholy Blues 24 Nice research but... there is no big contradictions here. Yes, Phoebe said he saw the mark on his hand, but he also said that Freddie told him about AIDS several weeks after testing. Jim said that after first test Freddie had other tests and maybe Peter saw mark from other test. About the ring, yes, we can see that before his birthday 1986 he had different rings. But after that, in every picture and on every video, it always wore that ring and it's clearly seen that it's a different ring than the one from Live Aid. I think when Jim talked about taking off a ring he thought of their private life, clubs, restaurants, etc. Do you really think Freddie could have said "I have boyfriend (or lover) and I call him - my husband" in the interviews during period 1985-1991? In that interview, where he says he stopped having sex, I think it refers to his wild life, party, promiscuity, not literally sex. In this interview he also said that he is in a relationship and described the relationship. You say he sold Freddie"s yellow jacket? Maybe he had to, who knows. How many Freddie's things from the house Mary maybe sold although still earns money thanks to Freddie? How many of his things were placed in some basements to collect dust there? Jim never said that he was only person who take care of Freddie and gave him the medicines. He said Joe and Peter had most job about it. He didn't say "broken bone", he said "sound like broken bone". Jim never told that he was the only and most important person in his life. He just said that they loved each other very much and they were close. And probably they were. He didn't say that he had some influence on Queen, only about "fried chicken" He had the right to publish a book about his life with Freddie. That was his life too. If his book is so insulting, full of lies (and my opinion - it's not ) why none of the people mentioned in the book didn't go to court? You can do research interviews of other people, of Mary, Brian, Phoebe, Jim Beach, about anyone. You will see that you will find more or less contradictions there also. Of course, when editing interviews for printed editions, adding and deleting words is happen. Who cares after 20 years who said to Jim who Freddie really was, did John Alexander in gay club or Joe Faneli in Freddie's flat? This editing may be with intention or unintentional. By the way, Jim in his book said Freddie told him " i'm a singer" when they were talking about their jobs in Freddie's flat in March 1985. But after all, we saw how Freddie was shown in the movie and how some events were shown, especially - Queen didn't perform live for years before Live Aid and it was because of his solo career. This is no accidentaly, the movie was made with that intention. And when you mentioned Phoebe, he just said in some documentary that "Love of Freddie's life was Garden Lodge. And Jim" He also said several times in his blog that in his last years, the only piece of jewelry that Freddie wore was the ring Jim gave him. |
| ForFreddie 25.01.2019 16:15 |
Spiralstatic...... I understand what you're saying, I really do, but, by the same token, people do have the right to draw their own conclusions, based on what is said/done and, heard....you, yourself have done just that.....and, they have a right to express those thoughts and feelings.... isn't that what you're doing, right now? I respect everyone's right to come to any conclusions they think best fits this particular situation, not everyone is going to see it the same way and, that's perfectly fine. True, no one, other than who was present at any particular time, knows what was said and done or, who knew or didn't know anything that was going on, that's why people are left to fill in the blanks and, draw their own conclusions, based on what information is actually out there. Everyone here, has done just that...drawn their own conclusions.... that's all we CAN do. I see nothing wrong with people expressing the conclusions they've drawn, we're talking about people who's lives were very public, it's not like anyone commented on anything that wasn't already out there, it's all easily obtained information....not, top secret material. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 25.01.2019 16:20 |
LOL you realize Freddie frequently lied or exaggerated in interviews, right? He didn't stop having sex and Jim wasn't a liar. Stop fangirling over Mary |
| ForFreddie 25.01.2019 18:07 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan....if that last comment is aimed at me, I have no idea what you're talking about.... my post isn't even about Mary, didn't even mention her. |
| MelancholyBlues24 25.01.2019 18:26 |
@Sweetandtenderhooligan - I never called Jim a liar. I simply stated, and gave examples of, why he lost credibility with me. When someone changes their story four times over, it makes me scratch my head and say, "Wait a minute." That is all. As far as "fangirling" for Mary. Where do I say that I am pro Mary? Just because I say that I don't believe Jim, doesn't automatically mean that I am all over Mary. Again, I simply asked for proof of clams that the band "hated Mary" or that she was the one that hired the guards, so that I could research and see for myself. I don't blindly believe what I see on public websites. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 25.01.2019 18:32 |
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| MelancholyBlues24 25.01.2019 19:36 |
@Invisible Woman There is a big contradiction, as far as I am concerned, with how the meeting between Jim and Freddie went. The whole "I didn't know who he was" is important because a lot of other things are based on that, including his authenticity. I am not arguing, just disagreeing. Phoebe states that after Freddie had his hand biopsied, it was after that that he received his HIV diagnosis, so the two go hand-in-hand according to Pheobe's blog. Just stating what I read from what other people deem as a reliable source. I did not disagree or argue that Freddie wasn't, or didn't, wear the ring Jim gave him. It is clear in all videos and interviews that he did. I was simply stating that he has done it before in the past. Who knows if other people game him the rings that he wore, or if they were his own. Again, Jim made a big deal that Freddie wore HIS ring. In the past, he may just as well been wearing other people's rings too. I can't comment on other things that belonged to Freddie, nor did I claim to. I was showing Pheobe's blog about the Wembley jacket because I have seen numerous times over that Jim donated it for AIDS research, which according to Phoebe, is not true. I did not state that Jim said he was the only important person in Freddie's life. Where did I say that? I will disagree about the right to publish his book. Yes, it was his life too, but where does it show that he had Freddie's permission to publish his intimate details and personal photos? How would you or anyone else feel if someone did the same to you without your permission? It happens all of the time on social media, and there are plenty of lawsuits regarding people displaying unauthorized photos. Of course there has been no legal action against the book because Freddie is not here to dispute anything. I have not seen the movie, nor am I interested in seeing the movie, so I cannot comment on it. I fully respect your position and your thoughts, and I don't wish to argue. We all form our own perceptions and views. These are mine based on research that I have done. Nothing more, nothing less. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 25.01.2019 21:26 |
It was his shoulder, not hand. You're damaging your credibility. |
| MelancholyBlues24 25.01.2019 22:20 |
I don’t understand your answer. How I am damaging my credibility? Phoebe said it was his hand. Jim said it was his shoulder. I choose to believe Phoebe. Others choose to believe Jim. |
| Invisible Woman 26.01.2019 08:46 |
^ I also don't have the intention to argue. I just wrote my view which also based on what I could read and see in the documentaries. Your view is different and I respect that. None of us here from the forum know what is real true about it. But this is a forum, a place to say what we think about something. :) |
| Donna13 26.01.2019 10:37 |
ForFreddie wrote: “Mary was written as a warm, caring loving friend to Freddie, because she probably would have sued them if they had written the truth... besides, it really wasn't about Mary and Freddie's relationship, the movie was about Freddie and the band...the movie really didn't dwell on the Freddie/Mary relationship....that isn't the way they wanted it to go... that's for another time, perhaps. The people who wrote the books afterwards, told the truth about Mary.“ —————— What ForFreddie wrote is not just an opinion; it is completely false information. And it is ridiculous. The movie was about Freddie. His relationship with Mary is prominent in the story. Mary is a private person and in order to prepare for playing Mary, Lucy Boynton used Brian May as a resource. Mary was a kind person and a loving, caring, lifelong friend to Freddie. It is not “OK” nor acceptable for anyone to go online and trash her character just because they “feel it in their gut”. That feeling in your gut is hatred. Deal with it in your own personal way, but not by contaminating the internet and Queen fan sites with your hateful feelings and theories. The excuse of “nobody here was there, so I can draw my own conclusions” is a very poor excuse for posting lies and hate on a website for all to see, and for new fans to read and become misled. It is wrong! I’m surprised people here are willing to say, “Well, that’s my opinion, and I can post whatever I want” when the “opinion” is based on hatred and an attempt to trash a person’s character. |
| ForFreddie 26.01.2019 18:14 |
Donna....that " feeling in my gut" is just that...a feeling, that leads me to my, opinions. Hatred? Why would I hate her, I don't even know her, if my opinions equal hatred, if that's what you think...that, is what is ridiculous....and, yes, I can say whatever I want regarding the situation and, what I've determined to be the best scenario... that's what's wrong in the world today, a person can't say anything without being accused of hatred or, worse, just because some other people, don't agree, that's what it all boils down to, you don't agree with me, so, I must be wrong. All you have, by the way, are opinions, because, like me, you were also, not there, I happen to think you're wrong, but, you're entitled to have your opinions....so do I. |
| ForFreddie 26.01.2019 18:39 |
Also, Donna, how do you know, from where my comments come? Do you know me? Or, is it just a ' feeling,' you have? |
| FunLovinCriminal 26.01.2019 19:52 |
„Mary was a kind person and a loving, caring, lifelong friend to Freddie.“ Donna13 is repeating over and over again, like in a mantra, what a wonderful person Lady Austin was. There must be some religious believe in there somewhere. |
| FunLovinCriminal 26.01.2019 20:12 |
I bet Donna13 IS Mary Austin, sitting at home in Garden Lodge, being a little bored after having checked the latest bank-statement and feeling the need to defend herself. Let me tell you something, Donna, if she really was a loving-caring friend, she wouldn't have lived the lie to act as Mercury's girlfriend in public, she wouldn't have been taking part in his pathetic claim to being straight. Let's face it, he used her and in turn she used him. No loving and caring will ever reach people which are on self-destructive paths. But, I am sure you will be twisting that as well in order to hold on to your image of Saint Austin. |
| ForFreddie 26.01.2019 21:20 |
"Loving, caring friend to Freddie"......not so much. She waited until Freddie was breathing his last, showed up mid morning, stayed all of half an hour, then left before he died..... some, loving caring, lifelong friend to the end. Donna, I respect your right to believe what you do, you, though, are the one who doesn't seem to respect the rights of others, to do the same. |
| Zori 26.01.2019 21:43 |
I am still with mixed feelings - who say the truth - Mary or Jim. Can't be both!!! but for me Mary isn't very smart person. She is just too quite and available, very deep in love with Freddie (this can open another door - love with him or money, or fame.....) On my opinion Mary is ld-fashion, and she just couldn't walk next to Freddie, she couldn't accepts this life into the music. I don't know Mary, but i am totally sure she is so deeply in love with Freddie! From his side - she was always there .... for me Jim is exactly same as Mary - quite and available. Did Freddie love her or him -- probably. But what made me think deeper were parts in Jim's book where he said how Freddie didn't care much about Jim. Freddie spent nights having fun with other people, while Jim waited him in the bedroom. I got the feeling that Freddie even cared more about Joe and Phoebe. And the fact Freddie left same money to thm all is not pro Jim!!! -- in the movie - I know Freddie's relationship with Mary isn't shown as it was. BUT I got the feeling that they blame Mary for leting down Freddie. Like if she was there really , she just could go on with Freddie and stopped him from falling |
| FunLovinCriminal 26.01.2019 21:48 |
As I guess, ForFreddie, Donna13 belongs to the secret Mary-Austin-cult. There's just no reasoning with cult-followers. I tell you, there'll be a Mary-Austin-shrine, soon, to worship that loving, caring icon of a friend. |
| FunLovinCriminal 26.01.2019 21:51 |
Zori, what are you trying to tell us? No one could have „stopped Freddie from falling“. Except for those moralists that were involved in writing the movie-script. Mary Austin was too busy being a „loving, caring“ friend to stop Freddie falling. By the way, falling from what, exactly? |
| The Circle of Eidolon 26.01.2019 21:54 |
The Circle of Eidolon has been reading this thread. Freddie through his life ditched people whom he did not wish to spend time with. ex lovers, friends, hangers on, and so on. He had a small inner circle of close friends. Mary Austin was there from the earliest history of the band and she was one of the few whom Freddie seemed happy to still be there in his final days Without knowing her or him some members seem to think they are best placed to comment Small minds thinking they have the biggest anwsers usually have nothing. The Circle of Eidolon has spoken |
| FunLovinCriminal 26.01.2019 21:58 |
Even though I am impressed of your arrogance, Eidolon, I have to laugh on your pseudo-psychological statements. They're pathetic. |
| The Circle of Eidolon 27.01.2019 00:27 |
The Circle of Eidolon chooses carefully how it adds to any post. If you believe that arrogance or pseudo psychology is used, we can assure you that those appear in your mind, not in our words You have two choices. Believe what you claim or learn from what we say. The Circle of Eidolon has spoken. |
| FunLovinCriminal 27.01.2019 18:21 |
I love The Circle of Eidolon, I really do. How much does it cost to become one of your devotees? I may convert. |
| ForFreddie 27.01.2019 18:39 |
I think he's going out of business.....lol... |
| FunLovinCriminal 27.01.2019 20:54 |
So sad! Another Brexit-victim? But I might be lucky if The Circle is considering moving its HQ to... I don't know... where are cults endemic? The Trump Tower? The White House? Florida? The Neverland Ranch? |
| The Circle of Eidolon 27.01.2019 22:48 |
FunLovinCriminal wrote: I love The Circle of Eidolon, I really do. How much does it cost to become one of your devotees? I may convert.The charge is the effort and effect of change. No one becomes, you are or you are not. You may or may not learn from this the choice is yours to make. The Circle of Eidolon has spoken |
| FunLovinCriminal 27.01.2019 22:58 |
But please, The Circle, try to understand that I am a lover, not a learner. What am I going to do now? |
| spiralstatic 29.01.2019 00:10 |
For Freddie, you say: "I see nothing wrong with people expressing the conclusions they've drawn, we're talking about people who's lives were very public, it's not like anyone commented on anything that wasn't already out there, it's all easily obtained information....not, top secret material." But I don't see a huge distinction between what you say here and it being OK for the press to write any awful thing about Freddie for example? Unless you think that was fine too? They came to conclusions with information out there too. Also, Mary and Jim's lives were in no way public. Jim put himself into the public sphere by writing a book to some degree, but Mary - certainly not, she is very private. And OK, she's done the odd interview, but never anything overly revealing about herself or Freddie. Not that fame should dictate the privacy anyone ought to be allowed. I suppose it is natural to speculate about people and you're right, I come to my own conclusions too, but I personally think there is a huge difference between having your own feelings and opinions on situations and people and writing on a public forum that people are bad people or have negative qualities which you have concluded solely by speculative means, not at all from facts. You can think Mary acted wrongly from what you know, but you cannot know anything about who she is as a person, so to put negative qualities upon her based on nothing you know about (other than from he said, she said) in my view is wrong. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 29.01.2019 00:24 |
Letting photographers into Garden Lodge seems pretty revealing to me |
| FunLovinCriminal 29.01.2019 00:45 |
Spiralstatic, I know you have good intentions, but I really can't stand the community-worker-ductus you and a lot of other people are presenting here time and again anymore. I really don't like to read your lecturing of For Freddie. Can he or she please have an opinion on things? Can you please accept that they differ from yours? This forum wouldn't exist anymore if it was just for facts and spoilers. Clashes of opinions are what makes forums like this interesting ands lively, don't you think, my dear? |
| ForFreddie 29.01.2019 02:54 |
Spiralstatic.... I don't want to discuss Mary with you, I have my opinions and, whatever got me to those conclusions, is my business... especially, of late....you believe anything you please and I'll applaud your right to do so... I won't even say, you're wrong....you believe, what you believe. FunLovinCriminal..... thanks! |
| FunLovinCriminal 29.01.2019 19:58 |
ForFreddie... I love you! |
| ForFreddie 29.01.2019 20:24 |
FunLovinCriminal.....lol... I could be wrong on some things.... could be. Since there's now viewpoints from people who actually knew Freddie, I mean, they probably can't get too in-depth, but, I'm willing to do some rethinking.(I may not fully come around, though.) Still, I hold to the premise, everyone has an opinion, everyone has their own beliefs and, we all have a right to express them. I mean no disrespect to anyone. |
| FunLovinCriminal 29.01.2019 21:24 |
That's the principle of democracy, For Freddie. But really, these forums wouldn't exist if we were all sweethearts, holding hands, without any arguments, don't you think. Even though, you're slightly coming up with the community-worker-ductus yourself, I still love you. But don't bend it too much! |
| ForFreddie 29.01.2019 21:57 |
Oh, I never bend too much, don't worry about that...lol.... Let's just say, I'm willing to concede, I could have been slightly wrong, perhaps what I believe, I shouldn't, at least not to the degree, in which I did. There's some wiggle room there. Am I going to do a 180? No. Maybe, a 90. Give some things the benefit of the doubt, while holding onto, some of the previous. |
| ForFreddie 30.01.2019 15:50 |
Crap.... back to my original assessment....I need to quit reading. One should always trust their instincts, I usually do, but, was trying to give the benefit of the doubt. |
| dudeofqueen 30.01.2019 17:08 |
Found this at the bottom of a drawer yesterday: 2nd January 2010 URGENT MEMO From: Mary Austin To: Reuters I, Mary Austin, do declare that I have knowledge of the death of Jim Hutton. Signed: M Austin End ps - thank Christ for that; now I can lay claim to the whole fucking lot. |
| FunLovinCriminal 30.01.2019 19:38 |
That is the ForFreddie I fell in love with. |
| ForFreddie 30.01.2019 20:14 |
dudeofqueen.... that was the way my gut was telling me, was right..... whether or not that letter is legitimate.... I keep coming back to that, my very first assessment. |
| ForFreddie 30.01.2019 20:15 |
FunLovinCriminal....awww, shucks... |
| FunLovinCriminal 30.01.2019 21:23 |
ForFreddie: Wanna come over to the Dave Clar-thread? I need your support! |
| dudeofqueen 31.01.2019 17:41 |
ForFreddie. re: >that was the way my gut was telling me, was right..... whether or not that letter is legitimate... **facepalm** |
| FunLovinCriminal 08.02.2019 00:47 |
After a lot of soul-searching I came to the conclusion that Mary Austin actually loved Jim Hutton, because she was such a caring, loving good friend to Freddie that she always felt the need to support all of his former lovers, especially Jim. The same way that she encouraged Phoebe and Joe to stay in Garden Lodge for as long as they liked. Sometimes she feels like wanting to be supportive to all of us. That's why she is planning secretly sneaking into Goldman Sachs to re-arrange the whole global financial system in order to get each and everyone of us 1 million Euros in the coming days. That's how caring and loving she is. No wonder Freddie trusted her. I came to the conclusion that she is so fantastic that she must have written Bohemian Rhapsody all by herself, but being the caring one, she gave it to Freddie. All praise to the altruistic Mary Austin! |
| Maxmar50 20.02.2019 01:49 |
Mary was the love of his life. I think Mary knew Jim was a leech and thats why she treated him as such. I read Jims book and its a poor me book he had no respect for Freddie in talking about him when he died. At least Mary hasnt wrote a tell all book. |
| ForFreddie 24.02.2019 04:14 |
FunLovinCriminal........ GOOD ONE!! |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 25.02.2019 17:34 |
"Mary was the love of his life. I think Mary knew Jim was a leech and thats why she treated him as such. I read Jims book and its a poor me book he had no respect for Freddie in talking about him when he died. At least Mary hasnt wrote a tell all book. " Funny how Jim is always called the leech, but Mary is the one who never had a job outside of Freddie after he hit it big. Jim insisted on working and wouldn't move to Munich unless he had a job there. Mary was jealous he was gay and had gay friends and boyfriends. Period. Have you not heard the numerous interviews Mary has done, as well as inviting photographers into Garden Lodge so she could pose by furniture in a little white dress? |
| FreddieDearie 25.03.2019 06:55 |
I'm sorry, butmits absolutely ridiculous to posit that Freddie didn't leave Jim the home because HIV. He could've put it in his will that Jim have the house until he died at which point the home would revert back to the estate. |
| FreddieDearie 25.03.2019 06:55 |
I'm sorry, butmits absolutely ridiculous to posit that Freddie didn't leave Jim the home because HIV. He could've put it in his will that Jim have the house until he died at which point the home would revert back to the estate. |
| FreddieDearie 25.03.2019 07:01 |
"Funny how Jim is always called the leech, but Mary is the one who never had a job outside of Freddie after he hit it big. Jim insisted on working and wouldn't move to Munich unless he had a job there" Please stop quoting Huttons book as if it's gospel. Jim wouldn't move to Munich be cause ... job? 1) Hello, he was a barber, he could've gotten a job in Munich. They have hair too 2). Who says .... Jim? 3). Mary RAN Freddie's business. She was literally running a multi-million company and in charge of ALL the employees, including any accountants and lawyers they hired. Why people have to downgrade her to a gofer when Freddie literally said she handled everything to such a degree all he had to do was "throw his carcass around the stage.". Quote , unquote. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 26.03.2019 00:14 |
FreddieDearie- it’s clear you’re one of the Jim haters on Instagram. No real fan would spend so much of their time hating a man Freddie loved. Why don’t you hate the people who were actually horrible to him, like Bill Reid? Is it jealousy? Homophobia? Probably a little or both. Jim didn’t get a job in Munich because he didn’t speak German. So he kept his job in London. Mary didn’t run his company. She doesn’t have a college degree or any experience beyond being a shop girl. She was his secretary. His accountant and lawyer ran his company. Your petty jealousy of Jim is pathetic. |
| Terri557 24.08.2019 02:45 |
Freddie spent practically his whole adult life hiding his homosexuality and his boyfriends from his family (which he never came out according to his mother) and the press and you think he’s going to leave his mansion or his fortune to a man who is HIV+ . That would not be possible. Freddie worked hard to help create a musical empire which would continue as his legacy and he wasn’t going to, maybe even wasn’t allowed to highlight Jim Hutton. The fact that he came out with the statement 24 hours before his death that indeed he had AIDS was a complete shock to both Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton. Freddie was being advised in his professional life by Jim Beach and 2 Queen employed public relations people (forget their names) to keep certain information out of the public and to fabricate an ongoing relationship with Mary Austin (even though both were dating other people and in Mary’s case pregnant with another mans baby). The men of Garden Lodge were homosexuals and at that time (and still today) this could have effected business. Also Joe Fanelli had full blown AIDS and frankly was tossed out by a man (Jim Beach) who would later help set up the Mercury Phoenix Trust to help people with AIDS and spread awareness, what a complete hypocrite. Jim Beach told the guys of Garden Lodge they had to leave in 3 months ON THE DAY OF Freddies funeral! Is he for real? Freddie made it public according to Peter Freestone that the guys could stay as long as feel they needed to before moving on. We’d like to think that each member of Queen have a lot of power but it is the business men behind the music that have it. Anyway, people who knew Jim Hutton , only good things are said. Only some fans who have never met him have a problem with him. I will take Brian May’s words, Peter Freestones words and Terry Giddings words over any random hate filled fan. |
| FreddieDearie 26.08.2020 04:48 |
MisterCosmicc wrote: Freddie: I have no friends, only Mary. Freddie: I stopped having sex. Don’t take Freddie’s dry sense of humor seriously.Umm, why presume that’s a joke. It’s obvious that Freddie trusted Mary in a way he trusted NO ONE ELSE. To him being able to trust someone = friend. There wasn’t anyone else in his life he trusted implicitly. Secondly. He was diagnosed with AIDS. He knew he was sick during the “Magic Tour”. Why, would you think it unlikely he became celibate? Because Jim Hutton wrote a book telling the world they had ”Raunchy sex” and that Freddie was the one who typically took it up the ass until it became too painful for him? |
| FreddieDearie 26.08.2020 05:15 |
Terri557 wrote: Freddie spent practically his whole adult life hiding his homosexuality and his boyfriends from his family (which he never came out according to his mother) and the press and you think he’s going to leave his mansion or his fortune to a man who is HIV+ . That would not be possible. Freddie worked hard to help create a musical empire which would continue as his legacy and he wasn’t going to, maybe even wasn’t allowed to highlight Jim Hutton. The fact that he came out with the statement 24 hours before his death that indeed he had AIDS was a complete shock to both Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton. Freddie was being advised in his professional life by Jim Beach and 2 Queen employed public relations people (forget their names) to keep certain information out of the public and to fabricate an ongoing relationship with Mary Austin (even though both were dating other people and in Mary’s case pregnant with another mans baby). The men of Garden Lodge were homosexuals and at that time (and still today) this could have effected business. Also Joe Fanelli had full blown AIDS and frankly was tossed out by a man (Jim Beach) who would later help set up the Mercury Phoenix Trust to help people with AIDS and spread awareness, what a complete hypocrite. Jim Beach told the guys of Garden Lodge they had to leave in 3 months ON THE DAY OF Freddies funeral! Is he for real? Freddie made it public according to Peter Freestone that the guys could stay as long as feel they needed to before moving on. We’d like to think that each member of Queen have a lot of power but it is the business men behind the music that have it. Anyway, people who knew Jim Hutton , only good things are said. Only some fans who have never met him have a problem with him. I will take Brian May’s words, Peter Freestones words and Terry Giddings words over any random hate filled fan. |
| FreddieDearie 26.08.2020 05:24 |
Terri557 wrote: Freddie made it public according to Peter Freestone that the guys could stay as long as feel they needed to before moving on.Phoebe never said that. Peter never said he heard Freddie make that claim. He said he was told Freddie said it. Probably by Hutton, and Hutton was a liar. SERIOUSLY? You actually buy into the claim that Freddie expected a heavily pregnant Mary, who was taking care of a toddler and running his businesses and finances.,, TO ADOPT 3 MIDDLE-AGED MEN CONTINUING TO PROVIDE THEM FREE ROOM AND BOARD AND EMPLOY THEM IN JOBS SHE DIDNT NEED THEM FOR?. Seriously people. Use your brains for DISCERNEMENT! Terri557 wrote: We’d like to think that each member of Queen have a lot of power but it is the business men behind the music that have it.What does that have to do with anything? Jim beach has no power over Brian, Joh and Rogers’s portions of Queen. Terri557 wrote: Anyway, people who knew Jim Hutton , only good things are said. Only some fans who have never met him have a problem with him.Not true. From Mercury and Me': . "All the time Freddie and I had our loving friendship I lived with certain people [plural, Joe and Phoebe] dismissed me as 'JUS T THE GARDENER.. . [We] always looked on you as 'just the gardener'..,WE NEVER THOUGHTOF YOU AS FREDDIE'S BOYFRIEND.” — Joe Fanelli Terri557 wrote: I will take Brian May’s words, Peter Freestones words and Terry Giddings words over any random hate filled fan.I’ll take the word from the people who LIVED with Hutton and Freddie and saw how they ACTUALLY lived and related, instead of someone trying to make money off the “fantasy”. Freddie did not socialize with Brian or Roger or John. He purposely compartmentalized his private life and kept it from the band. Brian was not very privy to Freddie’s relationships. “Jimmy used to get drunk and embarrass everybody and that’s why HE WAS NEVER PRESENT at a lot of the things he claimed to be. ~ Mike Moran “...Several of Freddie’s friends have a question some of Hutton‘s more over the top anecdotes one said “I’m surprised Jimmy could have stayed sober long enough to have remembered some of those things he did with Freddie.” David Brett Freddie Mercury an intimate biography ”Jim...drank like a fish and when drunk, he was an ugly drunk.' ~ Jacky Gunn [Head of Queen Fan Club “Jim was particularly embarrassing. He would say all sorts of dirty things in front of little girls... He started screaming and there was almost a fight. He was very nasty. ”~ Jim Jenkins Official Queen Archivist |
| FreddieDearie 26.08.2020 06:02 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote: FreddieDearie- it’s clear you’re one of the Jim haters on Instagram. No real fan would spend so much of their time hating a man Freddie loved. Why don’t you hate the people who were actually horrible to him, like Bill Reid?Hutton assaulted Freddie, Assault is not love. When you start turning Bill Reid or any of other of Freddie’s abusive boyfriends into your Lord and Savior the way you have have Hutton, I promise to fight back in that too. However I HAVE ”hated” on his other abusers many times, Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote: Jim didn’t get a job in Munich because he didn’t speak German. So he kept his job in London.What is your point? Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote: Mary didn’t run his company. She doesn’t have a college degree or any experience beyond being a shop girl. She was his secretary. His accountant and lawyer ran his company.No, Sweetie, look it up. He made her ”Company Secretary” that is DIFFERENT from an admin. Asst. Type secretary. He made her an OFFICER of his companies, And she functioned as his coo/cfo. Freddie made Mary an officer of his companies. She RAN his companies for him. To the point that Freddie said: ”All I have to do is throw my carcass around on stage...” ThunderGod wrote: Freddie left most of the business stuff to...MARY” Freddie Mercury said: [Mary] works in my organisation and looks after my money side and all my possessions. She's in charge of the chauffeurs, maids, gardeners, accountants and lawyers.While Freddie was sick he could count on Mary to keep things running for him. She managed all his finances so he wouldn't have to worry about running out of money for his private medical care. David Evans Said: Freddie never had much idea of money. Mary always took care of that. Always. Indeed as late as 1991, he confided to me that he was very worried about running short of money as his medical treatments appeared prohibitively expensive. I assured him that even without studying his bank balances, he had absolutely no need to be concerned and that Mary would have told him if he was at all a candidate for penury."She also managed his multi million dollar Art collection. ThunderGod wrote: Artwork was more Mary’s realm. Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote: Your petty jealousy of Jim is pathetic.Your ignorance on these topics is pathetic. Freddie Mercury Said: "Sometimes a good friend is much more valuable than a lover. Apart from Mary I don’t have any real friends. We look after each other and that's a wonderful form of love. I might have all the problems in the world, but I have Mary and that gets me through. Our love affair ended in tears but a deep bond grew out of it, and that's something nobody can take away from us. It's unreachable. All my lovers asked me why they couldn’t replace Mary, but it’s simply impossible. To me, it was a marriage. Mary is one of my closest friends in the world. Ours is a pure friendship and a friendship of the highest standard. It’s an instinctive thing. I have built up an immense bond with Mary. We love each other very much and look after each other. I don't want anybody else. I open up to her more than anybody else. We have gone through a lot of ups and downs in our time together, but that has made our relationship all the stronger. I know a lot of people find it hard to understand our relationship. Other people who come into our lives just have to accept it. I think Mary has gone through just about everything with me. She's about the only person I can think of. She has the depth and the quah‘ties to adapt to me and talk to me about very serious things. Even if we are not together at the time, I talk to her a lot on the phone. I treat Mary as my common-law wife and we’re getting on ?ne. It's where the heart is that matters. We're happy with each other and it doesn't matter what other people think. It's a God given situation. Nobody should tell us what to do. We believe in each other, so fuck everybody else. |
| thomasquinn 32989 26.08.2020 09:22 |
You need to seek help from a mental health professional. That's not a slur, that's serious advice. |
| FreddieDearie 26.08.2020 11:03 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: You need to seek help from a mental health professional. That's not a slur, that's serious advice.OK. So do you have any substance to contribue or are you just using ad hominem to hide the fact that you dont know anything? And are uninformed. No? Yeah that's what I thought. Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do." |