neokaden 28.12.2009 20:40 |
First, forgive my poor English, a language is not fluent. Well, it makes little, just two days ago, marked the 30th anniversary since the concert for the people of Kampuchea (Cambodia), this legendary concert is part of the grand tour "crazy", mythical because it was where Freddie reached the highest notes of all tours. That's why a resurgent debate why that queenproduction has not officially released this concert on DVD?, Sound is the problem they have, but I think it's solvable with high-quality bootleg circulating. (Though unfortunately Freddie's voice is heard far away), I personally I am looking forward to the official DVD, but every time I see farthest launch. |
Sebastian 28.12.2009 20:55 |
Queen Productions wouldn't bother relesing marvellous stuff such as that Hammersmith concert, DTS versions of Queen II or ADATR, or further 'Making of ...' documentaries, when they know they can make much more money by regurgitating the same old shite over and over again. |
pittrek 29.12.2009 06:14 |
The reason is simple - the soundboard multitracks were "lost" . That's the reason why all released segments feature the not -so-good-quality sound captured by the video cameras |
4 x Vision 29.12.2009 07:56 |
Who was responsible for these multi-tracks, cos that's kind of unforgivable? Were all the MTs for all performing acts lost? |
The Real Wizard 29.12.2009 13:56 |
It's a bloody shame, because that version of Now I'm Here on the Kampuchea LP sounds better than anything on Live Killers. |
Yara 29.12.2009 14:25 |
The 30th anniversary already? Wow. So, take that! link Here you've got some brilliant bass-playing and a perfect piece of music. : -)) Cheers. PS: Uh, I wished Queen's performance were officially released too, but I can't see that happening in the next 20 years. Contrary to what Al Bore had been saying, though, we'll not die - and nor will the cute polar bears which can both swim and catch fish - in the next few years due to global warming. So, maybe I get to see this one on the shelves someday and watch it with my grandchildren, who are going to ask me whether Freddie was gay and all this stuff... The world never really changes. OBAMA knows that better than anyone. |
neokaden 29.12.2009 14:27 |
pittrek wrote: The reason is simple - the soundboard multitracks were "lost" . That's the reason why all released segments feature the not -so-good-quality sound captured by the video camerasBut still, do not find that warrants that have not released an official DVD of this concert, considering, besides that you can achieve a decent material, mixing the audio of "complete concert of the Kampuchea" and the "audio console mono format "which I understand is still preserved. And an example of that is worth the dvd release link |
neokaden 29.12.2009 14:35 |
Van Basten 9 wrote: Who was responsible for these multi-tracks, cos that's kind of unforgivable? Were all the MTs for all performing acts lost?You have to find that out, find it inconceivable that they have not saved the audio tracks as memorable concert. I think we should make a formal request to Queen Production, perhaps a miracle and something happens like what happened with the concert of Queen in "Hammersmith Odeon 75. |
on my way up 30.12.2009 02:08 |
How many of the major seventies bands were filmed at their peak? Well, I think that with this show Queen WAS filmed at their peak... Not having the proper audio is just.... there are no words for it.... BUT, if they managed to find the multitrack for Hammy'75 which were also 'lost', then maybe the same will happen with Hammy'79... That's what I hope. I haven't heard the LP Now I'm here from Hammy'79. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
on my way up 30.12.2009 02:15 |
I haven't seen the clips going with the Absolute Greatest release yet, so can anyone tell me what audio sources were used for the clips of this concert... I read on Queenlive.ca that the one song sounded superior to the other... What's the explanation for that? |
pittrek 30.12.2009 04:56 |
on my way up wrote: I haven't seen the clips going with the Absolute Greatest release yet, so can anyone tell me what audio sources were used for the clips of this concert... I read on Queenlive.ca that the one song sounded superior to the other... What's the explanation for that? I have seen Now I'm Here from AG and I have to say it sounds worse than the audience source, and MUCH worse than the Kampuchea LP. Also I'd say it sounds slightly worse than the 80's TV broadcast |
pittrek 30.12.2009 04:58 |
Yara wrote: The 30th anniversary already? Wow. So, take that! link Here you've got some brilliant bass-playing and a perfect piece of music. : -)) Cheers. PS: Uh, I wished Queen's performance were officially released too, but I can't see that happening in the next 20 years. Contrary to what Al Bore had been saying, though, we'll not die - and nor will the cute polar bears which can both swim and catch fish - in the next few years due to global warming. So, maybe I get to see this one on the shelves someday and watch it with my grandchildren, who are going to ask me whether Freddie was gay and all this stuff... The world never really changes. OBAMA knows that better than anyone. Wonderful, do you know how much of the footage survived ? I tried to find as many songs from as many bands as possible from this "mini-festival" but all I found was the Queen audio, part of the Queen video, the Clash audio and the 1980 film featuring many of the artists |
pittrek 30.12.2009 05:00 |
neokaden wrote:And an example of that is worth the dvd release http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLEKlXgEGOA [/QUOTE]pittrek wrote: The reason is simple - the soundboard multitracks were "lost" . That's the reason why all released segments feature the not -so-good-quality sound captured by the video camerasBut still, do not find that warrants that have not released an official DVD of this concert, considering, besides that you can achieve a decent material, mixing the audio of "complete concert of the Kampuchea" and the "audio console mono format "which I understand is still preserved. So you think they should use the BOOTLEG audio ? I don't think it's realistic since Greg Brooks (and as reported by him also Brian May) hate sounds of the audience recordings. However it's currently the best thing WE can get |
pittrek 30.12.2009 05:03 |
on my way up wrote: I haven't heard the LP Now I'm here from Hammy'79. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Once I shared here a compilation of all available sources, Now I'm Here was taken from the LP and cross-faded in the beginning and the end with the audience recording if I remember correctly. Did you download it ? I'm not sure but I think this is the LP source link , I have to check it |
on my way up 30.12.2009 06:10 |
pittrek wrote:on my way up wrote: I haven't heard the LP Now I'm here from Hammy'79. Can anyone point me in the right direction?Once I shared here a compilation of all available sources, Now I'm Here was taken from the LP and cross-faded in the beginning and the end with the audience recording if I remember correctly. Did you download it ? I'm not sure but I think this is the LP source http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50RKT0Umqdw , I have to check it I should have it then! I will check my harddrive for it. I remember you did a brilliant job:-) Lately I've had little time for my collection because I started working 3 months ago so the lazy days are over:-) |
on my way up 30.12.2009 07:05 |
Actually, I find it's about time that Greg shows up again...:-) He always knows how to make us enthusiastic about products that do not happen... He SHOULD tell us a bit more about Hammy'79. If I remember correctly, Brian has never ever said anything about this show on his site... would like to hear from him too... |
thomasquinn 32989 30.12.2009 08:40 |
I asked Greg about a possible release about a year ago. His response was that they would love to release it, because QP agrees that it is the best unissued video recording they have, and probably the most marketable, but that they only have a stereo downmix *of the original multitrack* (so not the mono console recording), which is of insufficient quality for an official release according to the band themselves. |
neokaden 30.12.2009 08:55 |
pittrek wrote:So you think they should use the BOOTLEG audio ? I don't think it's realistic since Greg Brooks (and as reported by him also Brian May) hate sounds of the audience recordings. However it's currently the best thing WE can getneokaden wrote:And an example of that is worth the dvd release http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLEKlXgEGOA [/QUOTE]pittrek wrote: The reason is simple - the soundboard multitracks were "lost" . That's the reason why all released segments feature the not -so-good-quality sound captured by the video camerasBut still, do not find that warrants that have not released an official DVD of this concert, considering, besides that you can achieve a decent material, mixing the audio of "complete concert of the Kampuchea" and the "audio console mono format "which I understand is still preserved. --- Of course, but I do not say that, but should rather say that bootleg mixed with the sound console (which I understand that if they have a copy) In addition, there I heard that other channels broadcast the event live, or the signal received to the concert, and therefore, may eventually have a copy of the broadcast on TV, so it's something that Queen Production make necessary arrangements. |
The Real Wizard 30.12.2009 10:13 |
We just need a clever way to indicate to QP that a raw stereo mix is not such a bad thing after all. Plenty of bands have released old concerts in stereo sound.. even mono! |
Rick 30.12.2009 10:47 |
Only when Brian dies. I'm sorry, but he has a finger in every pie. |
Yara 30.12.2009 10:58 |
pittrek wrote:Yara wrote: The 30th anniversary already? Wow. So, take that! link Here you've got some brilliant bass-playing and a perfect piece of music. : -)) Cheers. PS: Uh, I wished Queen's performance were officially released too, but I can't see that happening in the next 20 years. Contrary to what Al Bore had been saying, though, we'll not die - and nor will the cute polar bears which can both swim and catch fish - in the next few years due to global warming. So, maybe I get to see this one on the shelves someday and watch it with my grandchildren, who are going to ask me whether Freddie was gay and all this stuff... The world never really changes. OBAMA knows that better than anyone.Wonderful, do you know how much of the footage survived ? I tried to find as many songs from as many bands as possible from this "mini-festival" but all I found was the Queen audio, part of the Queen video, the Clash audio and the 1980 film featuring many of the artists I love this version. First of all, because the wonderful guitar solo is absent from the studio version, and it gives the song so much beauty. And then, of course, because Paul was in his prime both as regards singing and bass-playing - his bass lines are so clever that it seems that an independent, exquisite piece of music is being developed apart from - or alongside - the rest of the song. The way he sings some lines, such as "every night I wanna play out", and then goes to his bass chops, is just amazing. GOOD OLD DAYS, PITTREK! We were happy back then and we didn't know it. lol ------ Well, I found this out and I know there's footage of other songs as well. My friend made me a copy of the audio bootleg of Paul's performance, but only 7 tracks out of 15, I guess, actually come from Hammy'79 - the rest is from Newcastle '79. I don't know whether he played only 7 songs, in which case I think there's audio and footage for the whole of his performance, or more. That'd be interesting to know. ----- As for Queen...uh. lol I mean...there's actually no excuse for not releasing this one. Really. I say one thing: RELEASE IT ALL IN THE BEST POSSIBLE QUALITY. I wished someone there took in some breath and said proudly: SCREW THE MULTITRACKS. Let's make the best we can with whatever we have and put out a decent release. If the multitracks later come up, think about it, they can re-release the stuff...lol...Q.P style. ; -)) *BIG POLAR BEAR HUG* |
on my way up 30.12.2009 11:53 |
Sir GH wrote: We just need a clever way to indicate to QP that a raw stereo mix is not such a bad thing after all. Plenty of bands have released old concerts in stereo sound.. even mono! You are very very right!! I read in a magazine that Thin Lizzy wanted to release a dvd of their famous album Live and dangerous. BUT, they decided to postpone the release because they couldn't find the multitrack. After lots of searching they still couldn't find the multitrack and they decided to work on tje stereotapes they had and the reviewer commented that the sound was fantastic! They even managed to make a surround mix(I'm not kiddin') So, this should be possible for Hammy too. This show is too good and too important to let it gather dust, damned. |
Yara 30.12.2009 11:55 |
on my way up wrote:Sir GH wrote: We just need a clever way to indicate to QP that a raw stereo mix is not such a bad thing after all. Plenty of bands have released old concerts in stereo sound.. even mono!You are very very right!! I read in a magazine that Thin Lizzy wanted to release a dvd of their famous album Live and dangerous. BUT, they decided to postpone the release because they couldn't find the multitrack. After lots of searching they still couldn't find the multitrack and they decided to work on tje stereotapes they had and the reviewer commented that the sound was fantastic! They even managed to make a surround mix(I'm not kiddin') So, this should be possible for Hammy too. This show is too good and too important to let it gather dust, damned. So let's start the SCREW THE MULTITRACKS movement. : -))) If they show up later, they can re-release the thing. hehe |
on my way up 30.12.2009 12:09 |
Yara wrote:on my way up wrote:So let's start the SCREW THE MULTITRACKS movement. : -))) If they show up later, they can re-release the thing. heheSir GH wrote: We just need a clever way to indicate to QP that a raw stereo mix is not such a bad thing after all. Plenty of bands have released old concerts in stereo sound.. even mono!You are very very right!! I read in a magazine that Thin Lizzy wanted to release a dvd of their famous album Live and dangerous. BUT, they decided to postpone the release because they couldn't find the multitrack. After lots of searching they still couldn't find the multitrack and they decided to work on tje stereotapes they had and the reviewer commented that the sound was fantastic! They even managed to make a surround mix(I'm not kiddin') So, this should be possible for Hammy too. This show is too good and too important to let it gather dust, damned. I'm in!!! (obviously) Ok, what should we do to start our campaign? |
pittrek 30.12.2009 12:20 |
link |
neokaden 30.12.2009 13:58 |
I think the ideal would be to upload a video to prove that you can perform an audio quality of this concert. (mixing the bootleg + Audio VHS) I'm doing with Somebody To Love, will soon be ready |
Darko 30.12.2009 17:28 |
It's an absolute disgrace that this fabulous concert hasn't yet been released. The lost multitracks are not essential, Queen fans would still buy this product if it was released in stereo sound today. This performance is arguably Queens and especially Freddie's best live performance ever, even better than Newcastle '79. Freddie's voice was more consistent during the Hammersmith show. |
thomasquinn 32989 31.12.2009 07:08 |
Sir GH wrote: We just need a clever way to indicate to QP that a raw stereo mix is not such a bad thing after all. Plenty of bands have released old concerts in stereo sound.. even mono! Apparently that's how QP feels, but Brian (and, I speculate, not Roger) refuses to settle for it. Or they did not tell me the truth, and there is another reason, though I couldn't see why they would. |
Planetgurl 31.12.2009 07:11 |
Darko wrote: It's an absolute disgrace that this fabulous concert hasn't yet been released. The lost multitracks are not essential, Queen fans would still buy this product if it was released in stereo sound today. This performance is arguably Queens and especially Freddie's best live performance ever, even better than Newcastle '79. Freddie's voice was more consistent during the Hammersmith show.Absolutely agree! And seeing that it was broadcast years ago as a hour hour thing on ITV, why do they feel unable to either rebroadcast it or issue it as a release now... People that are new to Queen of course recognise the musical legacy but it seems they have no idea how truly great they were live from audio/visual evidence: I think Kampuchea is probably the best filmed live rock & roll performance by an artist or band - ever. Great that it was captured for posterity but for it to be sitting in an archive gathering dust, I agree is a disgrace. Queen live were consistently great, some performances better than others obviously but generally their performances were the stuff of legend - just wish the cameras had been around more often in the '70's, or captured better shows than Hammersmith '75. There was carnage on that tour, seats being ripped up by the audiences... fabulous stuff but you'd never know it from the footage that survives from that era... |
thomasquinn 32989 31.12.2009 07:48 |
Darko wrote: It's an absolute disgrace that this fabulous concert hasn't yet been released. The lost multitracks are not essential, Queen fans would still buy this product if it was released in stereo sound today. This performance is arguably Queens and especially Freddie's best live performance ever, even better than Newcastle '79. Freddie's voice was more consistent during the Hammersmith show. I don't want to be a spoil-sport, but we don't actually know how the stereo downmix sounds. It might be awfully unbalanced, damaged, hissy or any of a million things rendering it unusable. |
brians wig 31.12.2009 10:57 |
pittrek wrote: The reason is simple - the soundboard multitracks were "lost" . That's the reason why all released segments feature the not -so-good-quality sound captured by the video cameras Like we give a s**t. The bootleg video sound of this concert is very good. If Queen Productions can release a limited 10,000 run of The Singles Boxsets because they don;t think they'll sell more than that, then they sure as hell should have no problem releasing Hammy 79 on DVD in the same quantities. |
pittrek 31.12.2009 11:18 |
brians wig wrote:pittrek wrote: The reason is simple - the soundboard multitracks were "lost" . That's the reason why all released segments feature the not -so-good-quality sound captured by the video camerasLike we give a s**t. The bootleg video sound of this concert is very good. If Queen Productions can release a limited 10,000 run of The Singles Boxsets because they don;t think they'll sell more than that, then they sure as hell should have no problem releasing Hammy 79 on DVD in the same quantities. Don't get me wrong, I would be probably the person who would buy the first released copy of this DVD since it's my favorite Queen concert :-) But I'm finally reading Greg's "Queen Live" and I'm shocked about the incredible bitching about the quality of the bootlegs. Brian had in the past also similar things to say |
neokaden 05.01.2010 06:49 |
well, if it causes too much trouble concert released on DVD, then another option might be to convey on TV, the full concert for the people of Kampuchea " But we definitely need to allow fans who can see that concert and not parts and poor quality as are those that are available. We must make a request xD |
Rick 05.01.2010 10:24 |
Two songs from a Japanese broadcast (?) were shared here a while ago. I wonder if there's more out there. Both sound and picture were excellent, IMHO. |
pittrek 05.01.2010 12:52 |
OK so which versions do exist ? 1) Concert for Kampuchea - 90 minutes movie, Queen is represented with the first half of Now I'm Here and Crazy Little Thing Called Love, the best available version comes from a WoWoW broadcast, the sound comes from the soundboard tapes 2) The Queen Special - a German TV show (~50 min) shot by ITV (if I recall correctly), uses DIFFERENT angles than the previous source, it features the original sound as recorded by the cameras. Intercut with funny (sometimes) interviews by celebrities and "celebrities", even "Her Majesty". 3) "Convention video 1" 4) "Convention video 2" - features headache making special effects during Now I'm Here and Get Down Make Love. The sound on both videos is mono, recorded by the cameras 5) Now I'm Here and IILWMC from Absolute Greatest - a unique edit featuring different angles compared to the convention videos, I'm not sure how they compare to the previous sources (I compared them only to "source 3" Did I forget something ? |
neokaden 05.01.2010 14:38 |
I, for example, if I could ever see this concert in full with this quality for example. link I would not mind being in mono sound. And I understand that QueenProduction has the master tapes, the problem is the sound nothing else So I think we should make a formal request to QueenProduction, or in case the concert last pass it again on television PS: pardon my English is not my native language |
neokaden 14.02.2010 15:27 |
Look what I found on youtube.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EAffAPuPzA It would be great if you throw the whole entire concert, I do not care if the quality is mono. PS: Please take out Bohemian Rhapsody T T |