QueenZone discussion #1211811

kevinhairsineevans wrote: I think its because there was a rumour queen were going on tour with them,

  Rubbersuit wrote: Ace Frehley was the heart and soul of Kiss.

mooghead wrote: Why are you posting Kiss tour dates on a Queen - Serious Discussion forum you fucking troll.   Fuck off.

NoOneButMe wrote: Maybe because Q+PR are going to open the KISS tour....... (I'm just being sarcastic)

skip wrote:   Bo Rhap wrote: Who wants to see those has-beens anyway, I preferred them in the seventies.They were'nt bad.But now they are washed up. Anyway,Mooghead is right.What is a thread about them doing here.

Holly2003 wrote:

  skip wrote:       Bo Rhap wrote:   Who wants to see those has-beens anyway, I preferred them in the seventies.They were'nt bad.But now they are washed up. Anyway,Mooghead is right.What is a thread about them doing here.  

RE:  Who wants to see those has-beens anyway. More people than who wanted to see Queen.

skip wrote: You don't sell over 100 million cds and play to millions each year if you don't have talent.  If you knew anything about music you'd know that.

andreas_mercury wrote: you really believe this stuff dont you?

andreas_mercury wrote:

  skip wrote: You don't sell over 100 million cds and play to millions each year if you don't have talent.  If you knew anything about music you'd know that.  

    LOLOLOL....    miley cyrus outsold Sonic boom easily, how do you explain this          

skip wrote: They broke The Beatles' attendance record at the Budokan in Japan.

Freddie was past his peak by 1986.  His range wasn't as high and his voice was much raspier.  Listen to "Live At Wembley" to hear this.

They had 4 lps in the top 100 during the '70s.

Queen with their best stage production paled in comparision to what KISS brought to the concert scene.

Sir GH wrote: Before this gets ridiculous, let's all remember that music isn't a competition.  They were both great bands, both have huge legacies, and both have influenced the evolution of music greatly.  We have politics and religion to divide us.  Music should be one of those few things that still unites us.

Holly2003 wrote: The foreign appeal of Kiss/Menudo outside their home country is analgous to the appeal Jerry Lewis has in France, or the Teletubbies have around the world -- strong visual identity (but lacking in any substance, and possibly due to severe cultural misunderstanding), slapstick comedy, and lowest common denominator music. Kiss/Menudo are Showaaddywaady with better management and PR. And what's with the make-up anyway? It looks like it's been put on with Homer Simpson's perfume shotgun. 

andreas_mercury wrote: they are a total shit

Sir GH wrote:

                                                                                                                              skip wrote:                                                               They broke The Beatles' attendance record at the Budokan in Japan.                                                              

>>Sure, they played a few more nights.  But back in the mid-60s, it wasn't commonplace to book 4 or 5 consecutive nights at the same venue.  Tour booking was still in its infancy then.  That, and the population of Tokyo increased by a couple million people between 1966 and 1978.  But in retrospect, The Beatles could have booked 50 nights in 1966 and they would have sold them all out. The thing is The Beatles didn't sell out 50 nights.  KISS sold out more shows at the Budokan than The Beatles did.  Nothing will change that. KISS has played to more people in more countries than The Beatles did. >>To break any record by The Beatles is merely a feat of numbers (as such, Brian and Roger have downplayed Queen's overtaking of The Beatles in the UK album charts).  No band will ever be bigger than The Beatles.  Cultural impact cannot be measured in numbers. Wrong.  Brian and Roger have mentioned how proud they are for selling more cds in the U.K. than The Beatles.

Freddie was past his peak by 1986.  His range wasn't as high and his voice was much raspier.  Listen to "Live At Wembley" to hear this.

>>It was probably the worst night of the tour for him (I've heard just about every show to prove it).  The Budapest video from two weeks later reveals him in superb voice once again.  Furthermore, the following year he recorded Barcelona, which some may argue is his finest work vocally. Nope.  Due to Freddie's vocal nodes, smoking, alcohol use, cocaine use, and the fact that he was HIV + are evident in Freddie's voice.  He lost the range that he had in the '70s and his voice had become raspier.

They had 4 lps in the top 100 during the '70s.

>>In Argentina in 1981, Queen had 9 albums in the top 10. Having 4 lps in the top 100 in the U.S. trumps 9 lps in Argentina.

Queen with their best stage production paled in comparision to what KISS brought to the concert scene.

>>Fair enough.  But the fact that Queen didn't feel the need for gimmicks to the extent that Kiss did doesn't automatically make Kiss the better live band.  Queen relied on the quality of the music to do most of the talking.  Consider this possibility - would Kiss have been a great live band without the gimmicks? KISS "Unplugged".  IMO, the best thing they ever did.  Had nothing to do with makeup, costumes, or bombs. Considering the fact that Freddie wanted to ride over the audience on a huge cock and balls during the '86 tour shows how they wanted to be more theatrical, but didn't put their money or creativity into play (not that anyone needed to see Freddie riding anything in concert). >>Before this gets ridiculous, let's all remember that music isn't a competition.  They were both great bands, both have huge legacies, and both have influenced the evolution of music greatly.  We have politics and religion to divide us.  Music should be one of those few things that still unites us. I agree. KISS is my favorite band.  Queen is my second favorite band. Since Queen is no longer doing it, go see KISS on their Sonic Boom Over Europe tour in 2010.

andreas_mercury wrote: freddie in vocal decline ..... i have never heard such bull cock in my experience ...  paul stanley can only dream to be the singer freddie was in his dying days.  i never hear him make anything like show must go on even in his heydey .... he still relies to his lousy same singing technique he was horizing 30 years ago..

skip wrote: KISS sold out more shows at the Budokan than The Beatles did.  Nothing will change that.

Sir GH wrote: The reason why The Beatles couldn't book more than a couple nights at the Budokan is because it was a sacred hall that was used only for martial arts.  They were the first band to play there, and were harshly criticized by Japanese traditionalists for playing the shows.  They couldn't start off by playing a dozen nights.  It was conceptually impossible, nor was it considered usual at the time for a band to play more than a couple nights anywhere in the world.

andreas_mercury wrote: "KISS has played to more people in more countries than The Beatles did."    

Holly2003 wrote: The Teletubbies could tour as "Kiss" no one would notice the difference. And the Teletubbies could beat Kiss in a fight.

andreas_mercury wrote: "Being HIV+ didn't help either."

Sir GH wrote:

                                                              skip wrote:                               KISS sold out more shows at the Budokan than The Beatles did.  Nothing will change that.                                                              

>>What does that ultimately prove?  That their tour promoter had the benefit of being in 1978 instead of 1966 and was able to book a few more nights? It proves KISS beat The Beatles.  Nice thing to put on their resumes. >>The reason why The Beatles couldn't book more than a couple nights at the Budokan is because it was a sacred hall that was used only for martial arts.  They were the first band to play there, and were harshly criticized by Japanese traditionalists for playing the shows.  They couldn't start off by playing a dozen nights.  It was conceptually impossible, nor was it considered usual at the time for a band to play more than a couple nights anywhere in the world. So if you want to remove historical perspective, then yes, Kiss sold more tickets.  But to gloat that Kiss played more nights, as if it is somehow a statement of greater popularity or revenue under equal circumstances, is just a ridiculously ignorant statement to make. No need to be jealous.  LOL

ParisNair wrote:        

Sir GH wrote: The reason why The Beatles couldn't book more than a couple nights at the Budokan is because it was a sacred hall that was used only for martial arts.  They were the first band to play there, and were harshly criticized by Japanese traditionalists for playing the shows.  They couldn't start off by playing a dozen nights.  It was conceptually impossible, nor was it considered usual at the time for a band to play more than a couple nights anywhere in the world.

>>Interesting history. Thanks! Mr Skip, Kiss is your fav band, so obviously IYO they are the greatest. Fine, but many people on this board don't agree with that, and you keep ignoring the argument that musically Queen is far superior. Instead, you keep posting stats and figures and tour dates which don't mean much if not taken in the proper perspective. Obviously a lot of people love Kiss, but many think they are crap. Why don't you just let it rest.   I guess you've never heard the song "Pain Is So Close To Pleasure" and every song on "Hot Space" (with the exception of "Under Pressure).  Queen wasn't musically superior.  They had their share of shitty songs and lps. I'll let it rest when I feel like it.  It's douchebags like yourself who keep adding your bullshit to the threads I post.  I posted KISS concert information.  I wasn't looking for anyone's opinion.  If you don't like KISS don't read the fucking thread.

andreas_mercury wrote: >>and also, Bee Gees outsold KISS  and have far better vocal talents, the members of kiss (all 258 of them and their replacements and clones) have never been even able to have half the ability to sing in close harmony as well as Bee Gees did, even if their disco years music was to me harsh and annoying ...    kiss are the worlds most profitable lucky accident, no one really likes them that much and if they do its only because they grow up with them.

ParisNair wrote: By the way, is it true that Queen refused to let Kiss open for them?

andreas_mercury wrote: "other musicians acknowledging a band as being an influence on their music can all be measured."

andreas_mercury wrote: "If Freddie hadn't been an alcoholic, coke head maybe he would have had the common sense to put a rubber on his cock and made his husbands wear one too."

andreas_mercury wrote: "The thing is they didn't.  They didn't even tour after 1966."

skip wrote: Freddie was the ignorant cunt.  He died from a preventable disease.

skip wrote:

  Holly2003 wrote: The Teletubbies could tour as "Kiss" no one would notice the difference. And the Teletubbies could beat Kiss in a fight.

It's evident that you're a high school drop out. I'll bet you're blond, too.

dragon-fly wrote: Do you actually believe that you can prove something to skip?

ParisNair wrote: By the way, is it true that Queen refused to let Kiss open for them?

Zebonka12 wrote:

skip wrote: Freddie was the ignorant cunt.  He died from a preventable disease.

I don't want to butt in on your debate, but can I use this as my signature?

skip wrote: I guess you've never heard the song "Pain Is So Close To Pleasure" and every song on "Hot Space" (with the exception of "Under Pressure).  Queen wasn't musically superior.  They had their share of shitty songs and lps.

I'll let it rest when I feel like it.  It's douchebags like yourself who keep adding your bullshit to the threads I post.  I posted KISS concert information.  I wasn't looking for anyone's opinion.  If you don't like KISS don't read the fucking thread.

Sir GH wrote: I say go for it.  At least one positive thing will have come from this thread...

Zebonka12 wrote:

  Sir GH wrote: I say go for it.  At least one positive thing will have come from this thread...                                                  

  I mean I'll readily admit to having written some corkers here, but doesn't anyone else have the slightest problem with the ignorance he displayed right there??  

Zebonka12 wrote:

  skip wrote:   Freddie was the ignorant cunt.  He died from a preventable disease.

Holly2003 wrote:

  skip wrote:  

      Holly2003 wrote:   The Teletubbies could tour as "Kiss" no one would notice the difference. And the Teletubbies could beat Kiss in a fight.  

It's evident that you're a high school drop out. I'll bet you're blond, too.

No, otherwise I'd be in Kiss's ideal demographic (look it up). Dipsy would unleash hell on Gene Simmons. Hell. That's right, you heard me. Excelsior!

tcc wrote:

  dragon-fly wrote: Do you actually believe that you can prove something to skip?

No.  I just want him to KISS this thread goodbye.

Sir GH wrote:

  ParisNair wrote: By the way, is it true that Queen refused to let Kiss open for them?

I have no idea.  Does anyone know if it's mentioned in a Kiss biography or something?  Myself, I doubt it.  Sounds like it's propaganda from a desperate fan.

ParisNair wrote:

skip wrote: I guess you've never heard the song "Pain Is So Close To Pleasure" and every song on "Hot Space" (with the exception of "Under Pressure).  Queen wasn't musically superior.  They had their share of shitty songs and lps.

>>You guessed wrong. I don't dislike Hot Space and I do enjoy some songs as well as Under Pressure. But that's IMO and msical ability is not judged on one album or a few songs. if you cannot even concede that musically Queen is superior to Kiss, then I'm out of this thread. So long.

I'll let it rest when I feel like it.  It's douchebags like yourself who keep adding your bullshit to the threads I post.  I posted KISS concert information.  I wasn't looking for anyone's opinion.  If you don't like KISS don't read the fucking thread.

I think that's the first time someone has called me names on this forum lol! OK, I'll keep away from your news flash threads from now on. Gladly. So long again.

Zebonka12 wrote:

  Sir GH wrote: I say go for it.  At least one positive thing will have come from this thread...                                                  

  I mean I'll readily admit to having written some corkers here, but doesn't anyone else have the slightest problem with the ignorance he displayed right there??  

  Holly2003 wrote:  

      Zebonka12 wrote:      

              Sir GH wrote:       I say go for it.  At least one positive thing will have come from this thread...                       

              I mean I'll readily admit to having written some corkers here, but doesn't anyone else have the slightest problem with the ignorance he displayed right there??                      

Lock me in a room with him for ten minutes and I swear to God, I'll do time. [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]

Zebonka12 wrote: I suffer a strong sense of deja vu whenever I come back to this topic.

skip wrote:

Sir GH wrote:

ParisNair wrote: By the way, is it true that Queen refused to let Kiss open for them?

I have no idea.  Does anyone know if it's mentioned in a Kiss biography or something?  Myself, I doubt it.  Sounds like it's propaganda from a desperate fan.

That's correct.  You have no idea.

Zebonka12 wrote: How very intelligent.

  Sir GH wrote:  

                              skip wrote:                              

                                                              Sir GH wrote:                                                              

                                                              ParisNair wrote:                                                               By the way, is it true that Queen refused to let Kiss open for them?                                                              

I have no idea.  Does anyone know if it's mentioned in a Kiss biography or something?  Myself, I doubt it.  Sounds like it's propaganda from a desperate fan.

That's correct.  You have no idea.

How about providing some sources along with your holier-than-thou attitude?

Holly2003 wrote: Sonic Shit tour live http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw5oJoUYTb8&feature=related And Kiss gettin it on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMAZugcu0wE&feature=related

skip wrote:

  Sir GH wrote:   How about providing some sources along with your holier-than-thou attitude?

"KISStory" "KISS: Behind the Mask - Official Authorized Biography"

GratefulFan wrote:

  skip wrote:  

      Sir GH wrote:     How about providing some sources along with your holier-than-thou attitude?

"KISStory" "KISS: Behind the Mask - Official Authorized Biography"

Audiobooks- the great leveler.

Zebonka12 wrote: Where in the books does it establish the reasons for them not being accepted as a support act?