| Gregsynth 30.11.2009 23:41 |
[URL=link If I wasn't a Queen fan, I wouldn't have known if he was sick with AIDS. He looks very healthy here. |
| Micrówave 01.12.2009 01:19 |
There's a little piece of AIDS on his chin. You have to look really close, though. I thought it was a piece of taco meat at first. |
| john bodega 01.12.2009 01:59 |
(shrugs) to me it just looks like he went a little heavy on the makeup. 20 years of hindsight means we now know the reason why, but at the time I wouldn't have looked at that and said "That man looks ill". |
| Gregsynth 01.12.2009 02:23 |
I do know that Freddie did have some spots removed from his face. He used makeup, then the beard to hide the blemishes. If anything, apart from the beard, he looks a bit fatter in the face. If you simply switched his beard out for his mustache, he's back to his "pre-AIDS" self. He looked great for all the Miracle-Era videos. |
| mike hunt 01.12.2009 03:06 |
fred looks a bit chubby in the miracle photo, not ill at all. The video's for that album he looks much thinner, but still healthy. He had the light beard thing going. It wasn't until 1990 that he started to looked really ill. |
| ParisNair 01.12.2009 04:13 |
Compare this with 1986 and you know something is amiss. It still shocks me how a man who looked at his absolute peak healthwise just 3-4 years earlier falls so sick so fast that life just goes out of his body. |
| pittrek 01.12.2009 05:02 |
I'm just re-posting the image : link Well he doesn't look much healthy to me :( He looks strange, but not like a man with a deadly disease |
| Angeline 01.12.2009 05:10 |
His eyes are deadened. He looks a lot less attractive but not 'dying'. |
| john bodega 01.12.2009 05:28 |
I think if anyone looks like they have AIDS in this, it's Brian. Look at him! That's one grim mother fucker. |
| Martin Packer 01.12.2009 09:09 |
Three things: 1) His eyes look pained. Whether psychologically or physically. 2) I'm told some of the anti-AIDS drugs have an effect on cheek shape. 3) I think he may well have attempted to bulk up, knowing he'd lose a lot of weight in the end. I don't particularly like to think about this stuff. And I recall being totally fooled at that time. But with the benefit of hindsight here we are. |
| Gregsynth 01.12.2009 12:15 |
mike hunt wrote: fred looks a bit chubby in the miracle photo, not ill at all. The video's for that album he looks much thinner, but still healthy. He had the light beard thing going. It wasn't until 1990 that he started to looked really ill. When DID he start losing the weight? I mean, I watched "I Want It All" and he does look a bit swollen up. My guess was sometime between late '89 to early '90 because if you compare him from any of the Miracle-era videos to a video when Queen accepted the "Top Band of The 80's" reward, he's starting to look gaunt in the face. |
| Gregsynth 01.12.2009 12:23 |
http://pictures.queenzone.org//Freddie_Mercury/e083118A.jpg Here's Freddie from 1986. http://pictures.queenzone.org//Freddie_Mercury/freddie-and-mary-xd_81020032087.jpg There's Freddie from 1988 http://pictures.queenzone.org//Freddie_Mercury/1990-headlong-video-session_1111629278510.JPG Here's Freddie from 1989 (On shoot of "The Miracle)" I don't know how to post images right on a post, but it looks like he started "looking" sick at the end of '89. |
| theCro 01.12.2009 12:54 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I think if anyone looks like they have AIDS in this, it's Brian. Look at him! That's one grim mother fucker. as i told you in previous thread, when you offended Brian, to take you pills, i'm now telling you, as advice: you should get psychiatric help, as soon as possible. |
| GratefulFan 01.12.2009 13:19 |
The Headlong video was remarkable for it's record of Freddie's physical decline over just a few short months. The footage was shot from fall '90 into early '91 and you can clearly see how much more gaunt and sick looking he was in the yellow sweater parts as compared to the shirt and tie (earliest footage) and vest (waistcoat to some) shots from 1990. |
| john bodega 01.12.2009 13:31 |
theCro wrote: your mother is retard |
| lyricalassasin77 01.12.2009 16:12 |
Why is this topic continually such a morbid fascination for people? Do you get some pleasure in highlighting and noting the regression of Freddie's appearance? I mean I been a member on here for like 5 or 6 years now and I wish I had a dollar for every topic that was centered around Freddie's sick appearance, when did Freddie know he had AIDS?, how many lovers did Freddie have, Does anybody have any pics of Freddie sick with AIDS...etc, etc. There's so much else to talk about besides Freddie's appearance and fight with AIDS....You want morbid go to Rotten.com....Peace |
| QUEENexpert 01.12.2009 19:59 |
I think they just look old. well, not old, but aged. and Freddie does look pained, but it doesn't look like he has AIDS. and Roger is still just as yummy as ever. |
| Gregsynth 01.12.2009 20:02 |
QUEENexpert wrote: I think they just look old. well, not old, but aged. and Freddie does look pained, but it doesn't look like he has AIDS. and Roger is still just as yummy as ever.Agree, but what's the "pained" look in Freddie's eyes? They all look healthy/in good shape for their ages. |
| ParisNair 01.12.2009 20:11 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I think if anyone looks like they have AIDS in this, it's Brian. Look at him! That's one grim mother fucker.This would be around the time when he was startign out with Anita right? |
| Gregsynth 01.12.2009 21:08 |
ParisNair wrote:YeahZebonka12 wrote: I think if anyone looks like they have AIDS in this, it's Brian. Look at him! That's one grim mother fucker.This would be around the time when he was startign out with Anita right? |
| john bodega 02.12.2009 00:16 |
Another case closed it seems. On the other hand, Roger looks like a man who's just made a really sizzling sex tape. |
| theCro 02.12.2009 07:30 |
Zebonka12 wrote: i suck, i stink, i'm moron ok, it's fair to admitt |
| The Nosuch Disco 02.12.2009 10:53 |
what are we trying to achieve here? link |
| john bodega 02.12.2009 11:18 |
The Nosuch Disco wrote: what are we trying to achieve here?I have no idea. TheCro is a serial idiot; I've got a great collection of his posts but I've never found the motivation to put them up anywhere. I like that he had to invent a quote for me. Me, I just picked from his Greatest Shits! |
| ilikefreddyguy 02.12.2009 16:01 |
Hm. That's odd, because I've been here for like... a week? And I already know enough to show Zebonka12 my utter-most respect/fear. Ha. |
| ilikefreddyguy 02.12.2009 16:01 |
Hm. That's odd, because I've been here for like... a week? And I already know enough to show Zebonka12 my utter-most respect/fear. Ha. |
| Ruperto Pesto - FER 02.12.2009 16:23 |
Freddie looks strange in 1989, while you can see him in "normal" state in late '88, early '89 pics (with the blue jacket), in mid 1989...in breakthru pics, one into the train..and both you can see in the inner sleeve of GH II DVD; he looks like he grew old 10 or 15 years in 6 months...and so in IWIA. and Invisible Man video..by the end of 1989 and 1990 he was clearly gaunt...but in Breakthtru, al least by me, Freddie looks like he was 53 o more years old...maybe, and avoiding his ilness the way he would look...in 2001 If he wasn't passed away... maybe nonsense, maybe not...just an opinion. |
| theCro 02.12.2009 20:31 |
Zebonka12 wrote:The Nosuch Disco wrote: what are we trying to achieve here?I have no idea. TheCro is a serial idiot; I've got a great collection of his posts but I've never found the motivation to put them up anywhere. I like that he had to invent a quote for me. Me, I just picked from his Greatest Shits! now, when i'm offended first, i must give back the slap to poor Zebonka ... i would say you are the notorious idiot, Zebonka, and i stay after what i've said. most of people don't respect you here tbh. i pitty you |
| john bodega 03.12.2009 00:02 |
elton john dead |
| john bodega 03.12.2009 01:32 |
bicarb |
| ilikefreddyguy 03.12.2009 10:57 |
Zebonka12 wrote:BlazeGoldmine wrote: Hm. That's odd, because I've been here for like... a week? And I already know enough to show Zebonka12 my utter-most respect/fear. Ha.Good God, no! Make fun of me please - this place is just a laugh, seriously. I only come here when I'm off-duty! I love the drama, really. It's a cute little place to blow off some steam while vaguely colouring itself with pictures of rock stars, who I'm assuming make music, but you'd never know that by the forums. And believe me, dear, I'm not above kissing ass. ;D |
| john bodega 03.12.2009 11:46 |
Ha!!! Well met. Sometimes I do find myself hoping that I've not seriously bent any noses out of shape and that it is in fact a joke here ... |
| Voice of Reason 2018 03.12.2009 12:35 |
We first saw that photo at the convention in 1989. We thought Freddie had let himself go and put on weight. With hindsight I guess it was a reaction to his medication, though there's no way we thought of that at the time. |
| Angeline 03.12.2009 15:55 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Ha!!! Well met. Sometimes I do find myself hoping that I've not seriously bent any noses out of shape and that it is in fact a joke here ... Tell me about it, God forbid that people really think Rolf Harris is my favourite recording artist and that I've ordered a commemorative Mercury douche for Christmas. |
| tryffel 12.12.2009 20:19 |
I think he looks very good in the Scandal video. Less swollen but not that skinny he become some mounths later. I was thinking. He got his Aids diagnose in spring 87. Do you think he could have small signs of the disease alredy o n the magic tour? |
| Gregsynth 12.12.2009 20:24 |
tryffel wrote: I think he looks very good in the Scandal video. Less swollen but not that skinny he become some mounths later. I was thinking. He got his Aids diagnose in spring 87. Do you think he could have small signs of the disease alredy o n the magic tour?I don't think he was ill on the tour. HIV positive? Probably, but I don't think he was "sick" on the tour. He looked great anyway. |
| GratefulFan 12.12.2009 20:30 |
Unless he was years off the mean, he was probably HIV positive by the late 1970's. If Barbara Valentin is to be found credible there were some worrying physical symptoms back to 1985. I think at the very least he probably had entered a period of worry/denial by the Magic Tour. |
| Gregsynth 12.12.2009 22:28 |
Nah, he was fine during the late 70s. |
| GratefulFan 13.12.2009 15:34 |
Angeline wrote: ...I've ordered a commemorative Mercury douche for Christmas. LOL LOL How did I miss this the first time? |
| Angeline 13.12.2009 16:01 |
GratefulFan wrote:Angeline wrote: ...I've ordered a commemorative Mercury douche for Christmas.LOL LOL How did I miss this the first time? My favourite bit was the advert with specially recorded song 'Another One Bites The Douche'. Teehee |
| GratefulFan 13.12.2009 16:28 |
Gregsynth wrote: Nah, he was fine during the late 70s. It's all speculative of course, and I only think about it when I allow myself the occasional fantasy that things turned out entirely differently. The average time between untreated HIV infection and the development of AIDS symptoms is 9 years or so, with most developing the disease by 10 years. At the outer margins of the statistics are the people that live with untreated HIV for 20 or more years, and those that develop full blown AIDS in a matter of weeks. The first people to get sick in 80/81 probably had been infected a decade before. In a totally unscientific and potentially meaningless observation, Freddie had his affair with Joe Fanelli in 1978, and Joe developed AIDS and died shortly after Freddie did. |
| tryffel 14.12.2009 14:04 |
GratefulFan wrote: Unless he was years off the mean, he was probably HIV positive by the late 1970's. If Barbara Valentin is to be found credible there were some worrying physical symptoms back to 1985. I think at the very least he probably had entered a period of worry/denial by the Magic Tour. , Intresting, can you tell me more about those phsycial sumptoms in 1985? Never heard of that |
| Angeline 14.12.2009 14:53 |
GratefulFan wrote:Gregsynth wrote: Nah, he was fine during the late 70s.It's all speculative of course, and I only think about it when I allow myself the occasional fantasy that things turned out entirely differently. The average time between untreated HIV infection and the development of AIDS symptoms is 9 years or so, with most developing the disease by 10 years. At the outer margins of the statistics are the people that live with untreated HIV for 20 or more years, and those that develop full blown AIDS in a matter of weeks. The first people to get sick in 80/81 probably had been infected a decade before. In a totally unscientific and potentially meaningless observation, Freddie had his affair with Joe Fanelli in 1978, and Joe developed AIDS and died shortly after Freddie did. I hate going into this but I remember in a Peter Jones interview he said he had debated with Freddie whether Freddie should go out with Winnie or another friend and he said the other friend ended up with Joe - this was in 1984 so I think there was a lot of overlapping sexual activity. Besides both were probably exposed on many more occasions, so speculation is meaningless but tempting. Interestingly the mean time from infection to AIDS is 10 yrs but after 'full blown AIDS' as karposi's sarcoma is indicative of, the mean life expectancy is between 1-2 yrs and Freddie lived for 5 - so he could feasibly have got it later or something. Blah blah blah. It's so interesting, the whole story and development of AIDS and the political reaction of the Reagan administration. One thing that blows my mind is HIV wasn't discovered until 1984 so before that I imagine the attitude was, if you weren't sick and exhibiting physical symptoms, you hadn't caught it yet. Stephen Fry made a very interesting 2 part documentary which is on youtube called 'HIV & Me'. Very informative and worth watching. |
| little foetus 15.12.2009 08:56 |
It's impossible to know when Freddie was infected by HIV. The time between HIV-infection and AIDS-stage is from few months to 10 years and it depends on many factors: viral load, CD4 count, efficiency of treatment, adherence to treatment, virus resistance, sexually transmitted diseases. There's still no consensus on this question. |
| Gregsynth 15.12.2009 12:56 |
The things we DO know are that Freddie had AIDS by 1987. |
| Winter Land Man 16.12.2009 10:57 |
Freddie looks fat in that photo from behind the scenes of 'I Want It All' and he looks fat in the 'I Want It All Video'... who cares what caused it. Or how he looked. His vocals were excellent. His talent great and unique. |
| Winter Land Man 16.12.2009 10:57 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Another case closed it seems. On the other hand, Roger looks like a man who's just made a really sizzling sex tape. LoL ... haha! ;-) |
| Gregsynth 16.12.2009 16:10 |
Mr. Britt wrote: Freddie looks fat in that photo from behind the scenes of 'I Want It All' and he looks fat in the 'I Want It All Video'... who cares what caused it. Or how he looked. His vocals were excellent. His talent great and unique. AZT caused him to gain weight in the late 80s. |
| beautifulsoup 16.12.2009 17:38 |
Angeline wrote: His eyes are deadened. He looks a lot less attractive but not 'dying'. Yes, that's it. :( |
| Gregsynth 16.12.2009 18:04 |
beautifulsoup wrote:How do his eyes "look deadened?"Angeline wrote: His eyes are deadened. He looks a lot less attractive but not 'dying'.Yes, that's it. :( |
| andreas_mercury 17.12.2009 00:30 |
he knew at Wembley he says 'we'll be together till we fucking die' it's obvious to me ....... |
| Martin Packer 17.12.2009 05:11 |
Actually *I* care. Because, for whatever reason, I care about Freddie. I can't say why I emotionally invested in him but I did. |
| andreas_mercury 17.12.2009 08:39 |
Gregsynth wrote: The things we DO know are that Freddie had AIDS by 1987.there is a rumor that he died in 1991 |
| EnglanE 01.02.2010 05:13 |
I actually think that Freddie looks really gorgeous with a beard/'designer stubble', heh. Despite the illness and the 'deadened look' in his eyes. I think he looks great. I had always wondered why he had suddenly chosen to sport that look, but now it seems quite obvious that he grew his beard to hide the blemishes caused by his illness. I love how he took it all in his stride. Amazing, courageous man. |
| BradJarre 02.02.2010 13:36 |
I dont think freddie looks to bad in '89 yes he does look a bit fattened up in the IWIA video, But he looks great in Scandal/The Miracle... |
| Gregsynth 02.02.2010 16:11 |
He doesn't even "look" ill in 1989. Just a bit fatter and has a beard! |
