| frank-nl 29.11.2009 12:27 |
Hi all, Last Friday night BBC2 re-broadcast the 1975 X-mas concert. This gave me the opportunity to record this in the only right way, which is to capture the satellite stream with my Dreambox 8000 satellite receiver. I then used ProjectX 0.90.4.00.b31 to demux and mjpegtools mplex-2 version 1.8.0 (2.2.4) to multiplex for DVD. I added some simple text menus using sourceforge dvdauthor, version 0.6.11. Stream info: -> Video length: 00:46:49.600 -> avg. nom. bitrate 3986578bps (min/max: 1082000/8099600) -> src_audio: MPEG-1, Layer2, 48000Hz, stereo, 256kbps Size 1.41 GB Enjoy! Frank |
| deltazulu 29.11.2009 14:32 |
Yes!!!! Thx so much. I was so hoping someone who knew how to do it right would have done it. 1000 times thank you!!! |
| Queenrockyou 29.11.2009 17:21 |
"This has been downloaded 52 time(s)." So, this is your second thanks !! Anybody can discuss the comparison with the other share of the same broadcast ? It seems this one is better, reading the first post, but I'm a totally newbie as far as the video is concerned. Seeing no thanks makes me think it is inferior. Where's the truth ? ;o) o) o) o) Regards, Olivier, Belgium. |
| frank-nl 29.11.2009 17:38 |
This recording is exactly how it came from satellite, so is identical to as broadcast over satellite. In the recording and authoring process, there is no loss what-so-ever due to analog cables or re-encoding. So I can say with no doubt, that this is the best possible recording. And even so, it is much smaller than if you record using a DVD or HD- recorder as you would need to record at a high bit-rate in order to prevent encoding artifacts. Hope this takes away any doubts! Frank |
| Ginger01 29.11.2009 17:44 |
Thanks for sharing this version as well! The first one was already very good, and I'm looking forward to seeing how this one compares. :)) |
| PBB 29.11.2009 17:54 |
Thank you very much. |
| Tim June 29.11.2009 17:56 |
Thank you very much for this version of the BBC Show. |
| tcc 29.11.2009 19:34 |
May I know why the file size here is 1.41 GB whereas the first one by Rien is 3.16 GB ? I am a novice on videos so I am waiting for the official DVD release. |
| brians wig 29.11.2009 20:25 |
tcc wrote: May I know why the file size here is 1.41 GB whereas the first one by Rien is 3.16 GB ? I am a novice on videos so I am waiting for the official DVD release. In theory, a lower data size means the video was recorded at a lower bitrate, therefore worse picture/more artefacting onscreen. BUT, if this is a direct capture of the data stream, then it ought to be the best quality picture! |
| ParisNair 29.11.2009 21:10 |
frank-nl wrote: This recording is exactly how it came from satellite, so is identical to as broadcast over satellite. In the recording and authoring process, there is no loss what-so-ever due to analog cables or re-encoding. So I can say with no doubt, that this is the best possible recording. And even so, it is much smaller than if you record using a DVD or HD- recorder as you would need to record at a high bit-rate in order to prevent encoding artifacts. Hope this takes away any doubts! Frank Thankyou for the share!! You seem to have some mean equipment at your disposal :) Was your satellite reciever provided by the service provided or u ourchased it seperately? |
| frank-nl 30.11.2009 03:36 |
Service providers don't give you this type of receivers because they don't want you to have access to the raw stream. Another advantage of my box is that in case of encrypted broadcast, it stores the stream in decrypted form so that you can still watch it after the encryption keys are updated. This is something that none of the standard harddisc receivers will do. Cheers, Frank |
| jerome.wuzz 30.11.2009 05:00 |
thanx for sharing! |
| kevukuk 30.11.2009 05:13 |
thanks for this,lookin forward to comparing it with my older version!! |
| queen79luca 30.11.2009 06:08 |
Are "Seven seas of Rhye" and "See What a fool I ve been" broadcasted as well? Thanks |
| bootLuca 30.11.2009 06:57 |
hi, in this version is the rock'n'roll medley edited or integral? |
| frank-nl 30.11.2009 07:51 |
I don't know what edits were made. You should be able to figure it out from the chapter times/titles below. 0:00 2009 introduction by Bob Harris 1:02 Now I'm Here 5:43 medley: 5:57 -Bohemian Rhapsody 8:09 -Killer Queen 10:19 -March Of The Black Queen 11:49 -Bohemian Rhapsody (reprise) 12:52 Bring Back That Leroy Brown 14:16 Brighton Rock 21:42 Son And Daughter 23:25 Keep Yourself Alive 27:58 Liar 36:26 In The Lap Of The Gods... revisited 40:58 Big Spender 42:27 Jailhouse Rock 46:26 credits |
| Kniggit 30.11.2009 09:15 |
Thank you, I think it sounds pretty good :) John is a bit low though... |
| mric! 30.11.2009 09:19 |
Thank you very much. This DVD is better than the one in the other thread. |
| My hair's a disgrace 30.11.2009 09:45 |
Thank you very much ! Looking forward to watching this later ! [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] |
| YourValentine 30.11.2009 09:47 |
Thank you very much for sharing |
| e-man 30.11.2009 10:57 |
on beyond thanx!!!! |
| pittrek 30.11.2009 11:03 |
A question - is it much different from Rien's share ? |
| The Real Wizard 30.11.2009 12:14 |
pittrek wrote: A question - is it much different from Rien's share ? It's hard to say. Someone said it's better, but it's only 1.41 GB.. |
| Ale Solan 30.11.2009 12:19 |
pittrek wrote: A question - is it much different from Rien's share ? First of all, thanks so much to Frank for recording and sharing this one! Now, comparing both shares I gotta say Frank's look better (Frank's digital stream vs. Rien's regular TV cable) About the size of both files, not necessarily bigger files mean bigger quality; in most DVDs the bigger part of file size is taken by audio streams (LPCM, DTS, etc) So looking at Frank's share, 1.41 GB doesn't mean lower quality than Rien's video. Both shares have AC3 2 channel audio stream and that's the best we can get ;-) Also a huge thanks to Rien for the effort! and Pete, I just read your PM and gonna reply in few seconds ;-) Now I'm gonna burn Frank's video onto a rewritable DVD and wait patiently for the official release. Last thing: Seven Seas Of Rhye, See What A Fool I’ve Been and God Save The Queen were not recorded by BBC cameras so Brian asked for any amateur filming of that "reprise" and pics from that evening. |
| ParisNair 30.11.2009 12:30 |
queen79luca wrote: Are "Seven seas of Rhye" and "See What a fool I ve been" broadcasted as well? ThanksYou wish! LOL!! |
| The Real Wizard 30.11.2009 13:16 |
Alex Solan. wrote: Now, comparing both shares I gotta say Frank's look better (Frank's digital stream vs. Rien's regular TV cable) About the size of both files, not necessarily bigger files mean bigger quality; in most DVDs the bigger part of file size is taken by audio streams (LPCM, DTS, etc) So looking at Frank's share, 1.41 GB doesn't mean lower quality than Rien's video. Both shares have AC3 2 channel audio stream and that's the best we can get ;-) Thanks for the info ! Very interesting. |
| pittrek 30.11.2009 13:29 |
Thanks for the info, Alex. I'll download this one too :) |
| Ale Solan 30.11.2009 13:54 |
Sorry, I forgot to mention but as you can see Frank's share has MPEG-1 audio, not AC3 but still, picture quality is better ;-) |
| queenside 30.11.2009 14:33 |
thanks a lot frank. just watched this one and indeed it's better picture quality than rein's version, but thanks a lot to rein too, you guys are great! on frank's version there is no ghosting as someone says it's the issue on rein's version. this is probably ultimate edition (quality wise) until official release. too bad it's edited but that's to be expected from QP cos they're going to officially released it one day. maybe someone will put this 2009 edition with old room 101 edition to make it complete (pittrek?) |
| cmi 30.11.2009 14:51 |
Thanks a lot for this version! Does anyone already noticed sound fixations in 'March Of The Black Queen' and 'Liar' coda? Sounds great! |
| Ale Solan 30.11.2009 15:29 |
queenside wrote: thanks a lot frank. just watched this one and indeed it's better picture quality than rein's version, but thanks a lot to rein too, you guys are great! on frank's version there is no ghosting as someone says it's the issue on rein's version. this is probably ultimate edition (quality wise) until official release. too bad it's edited but that's to be expected from QP cos they're going to officially released it one day. maybe someone will put this 2009 edition with old room 101 edition to make it complete (pittrek?) I don't think it's worth such a work to make a completer version since the official release is next to pop up. |
| Rien 30.11.2009 15:58 |
deltazulu wrote: Yes!!!! Thx so much. I was so hoping someone who knew how to do it right would have done it. 1000 times thank you!!! Not the finest words to choose, after my attempt. (if I read correctly between the lines - forgive me when I'm wrong) I can only say I did the best I could while there was no other share available in the short time after the BBC broadcast. (presuming lots of fans would have recorded this show). Hey buddy, you got it for free you know. I come from the time where you had to wait a year or more for a new Queen album to hit the shops and had to save money for it or to see their shows. Believe me, I think the internet is one of the greatest things of our time, considering how we can share precious stuff like a lot of us do here on Queenzone. It often amazes me what brilliant stuff people come up with. But it also makes us want MORE MORE MORE even before we have digested what has just been offered to us. But sure, enjoy what's given to you. You should. I certainly do and really appreciate the newer (sattelite) version. Thanks to the uploader! |
| sekywa 30.11.2009 16:04 |
Thank you very much. |
| gaspar 30.11.2009 16:35 |
thanks alot! I liked so much: it's great quality |
| vivaqueen 30.11.2009 16:48 |
MERCI BEAUCOUP |
| Masahiko 30.11.2009 17:01 |
Thank you very muck ! [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img] |
| Ed-fred 30.11.2009 17:30 |
Thanks a lot for this one. Can't wait see how it looks. |
| indyclev 30.11.2009 19:50 |
Thanks so much for this newest effort and the quality that it represents. Its a very clear recording and thanks for the effort to preserve its quality. |
| Dodger Taylor 30.11.2009 23:07 |
Thanx for this.I did record it from freeview myself,but just wanted to see if this version is any better :) |
| ParisNair 01.12.2009 04:36 |
Alex Solan. wrote: Sorry, I forgot to mention but as you can see Frank's share has MPEG-1 audio, not AC3 but still, picture quality is better ;-) A question - is the MPEG-1 compression a limitation of the equipment used by Frank? Could he have recorded with better audio quality? |
| frank-nl 01.12.2009 05:13 |
Regarding the audio on this DVD: this is also the exact audio of the BBC broadcast, so no loss, re-encoding or anything. The audio is MPEG-1 Level 2 (often named MP2), which is similar in quality to MP3. Greetings, Frank |
| tgunn2760 01.12.2009 08:36 |
Thanks a lot for this. Is there artwork on the horizon? One question for the recorder: Could you have recorded this with LPCM audio? Thanks again. |
| stark 01.12.2009 09:22 |
Many thanks for taking the time to do this. |
| Bo Alex 01.12.2009 09:31 |
Thank you very much, Frank!!! [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] |
| deleted user 01.12.2009 09:40 |
Thanks for sharing, looks great. |
| frank-nl 01.12.2009 14:44 |
One FINAL comment about the audio. Some TV channels use multiple sound tracks for some shows, e.g. ZDF sometimes uses 1 MP2 128 kbps, 1 MP2 256 kbps and 1 AC3 stereo. In such case my box would record all of those tracks (because it stores the full stream with all substreams) and I have the choice which tracks I use when multiplexing for DVD. However this BBC broadcast only came with 2 MP2 256 kbps stereo sound tracks which were identical as far as I could tell, so I used one of those for multiplexing to DVD. It doesn't make sense to "record as LPCM" as that would actually be a conversion (similar to converting mp3 to flac) that does not add any quality but just makes the resulting file bigger! So this share is the best possible capture both video and sound-wise in the smallest possible size. What more do you want? Regarding MPEG1 Level 2 sound, this format conforms to the DVD audio standard and also is the most commonly used audio format in satellite broadcast (DVB-S). Greetings, Frank |
| ParisNair 01.12.2009 15:07 |
frank-nl wrote: One FINAL comment about the audio. Some TV channels use multiple sound tracks for some shows, e.g. ZDF sometimes uses 1 MP2 128 kbps, 1 MP2 256 kbps and 1 AC3 stereo. In such case my box would record all of those tracks (because it stores the full stream with all substreams) and I have the choice which tracks I use when multiplexing for DVD. However this BBC broadcast only came with 2 MP2 256 kbps stereo sound tracks which were identical as far as I could tell, so I used one of those for multiplexing to DVD. It doesn't make sense to "record as LPCM" as that would actually be a conversion (similar to converting mp3 to flac) that does not add any quality but just makes the resulting file bigger! So this share is the best possible capture both video and sound-wise in the smallest possible size. What more do you want? Regarding MPEG1 Level 2 sound, this format conforms to the DVD audio standard and also is the most commonly used audio format in satellite broadcast (DVB-S). Greetings, Frank Incredible amount of info in this thread!! Thanks a ton! |
| queenside 01.12.2009 15:19 |
frank you're a star with this recording of this great concert! i doubt we'll see better version, only QP can do it better with official release |
| deltazulu 01.12.2009 15:42 |
no slight intended. not in the least. i also have a cable signal that i record on pvr and am more than happy when someone can upgrade an offering off my tradelist. your efforts have been noted more than once. there's no way of knowing what's going to pop up... especially considering how fast you got your version out there. cheers
Rien wrote:deltazulu wrote: Yes!!!! Thx so much. I was so hoping someone who knew how to do it right would have done it. 1000 times thank you!!!Not the finest words to choose, after my attempt. (if I read correctly between the lines - forgive me when I'm wrong) I can only say I did the best I could while there was no other share available in the short time after the BBC broadcast. (presuming lots of fans would have recorded this show). Hey buddy, you got it for free you know. I come from the time where you had to wait a year or more for a new Queen album to hit the shops and had to save money for it or to see their shows. Believe me, I think the internet is one of the greatest things of our time, considering how we can share precious stuff like a lot of us do here on Queenzone. It often amazes me what brilliant stuff people come up with. But it also makes us want MORE MORE MORE even before we have digested what has just been offered to us. But sure, enjoy what's given to you. You should. I certainly do and really appreciate the newer (sattelite) version. Thanks to the uploader! |
| Rien 01.12.2009 15:47 |
ok. |
| deltazulu 01.12.2009 15:49 |
:> |
| Ale Solan 01.12.2009 15:55 |
tgunn2760 wrote: Thanks a lot for this. Is there artwork on the horizon? Umm I don't think it's necessary since the official release will be up soon, surely next year but I'll give it a go and some simple artwork for it when I'm done with others I have in mind. |
| seagull 01.12.2009 21:29 |
Hi, The doesn't seem to download for me. Can anyone help? I've got a few torrents downloading, but this one can't find any seeds. Interestingly enough my username is also absent from the Torrent list at the top of the page. Has anyone had similar difficulties? Otherwise, thanks for sharing the file. Not living in the UK I would have otherwise missed out entirely on seeing this show. Cheers |
| tgunn2760 02.12.2009 01:52 |
seagull wrote: Hi, The doesn't seem to download for me. Can anyone help? I've got a few torrents downloading, but this one can't find any seeds. Interestingly enough my username is also absent from the Torrent list at the top of the page. Has anyone had similar difficulties? Otherwise, thanks for sharing the file. Not living in the UK I would have otherwise missed out entirely on seeing this show. Cheers If you can't connect to QZ for some reason, someone upped this at TTD: link 300 completes there. |
| tgunn2760 02.12.2009 01:53 |
Alex Solan. wrote:tgunn2760 wrote: Thanks a lot for this. Is there artwork on the horizon?Umm I don't think it's necessary since the official release will be up soon, surely next year but I'll give it a go and some simple artwork for it when I'm done with others I have in mind. It's not necessary but nice to have a cover with the version's details and set list. |
| tgunn2760 02.12.2009 01:58 |
frank-nl wrote: Regarding the audio on this DVD: this is also the exact audio of the BBC broadcast, so no loss, re-encoding or anything. The audio is MPEG-1 Level 2 (often named MP2), which is similar in quality to MP3. Greetings, Frank The audio is surprisingly good. The video is excellent. Amazing show, amazing upgrade. I had forgotten how good this performance was. This is Queen at its finest. For me anyway. I enjoyed their fist five albums. Thanks again. |
| Zodiak 02.12.2009 04:41 |
Thanks :) |
| Vali 02.12.2009 05:50 |
many tks for this one! can't wait watching it ! |
| rhapsody8 02.12.2009 06:03 |
Thank you very much. Here is a DVD cover: |
| rhapsody8 02.12.2009 06:04 |
and label: |
| Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon 02.12.2009 08:47 |
Thank you very much for this!!! I'm looking forward to see this version too :) |
| tgunn2760 02.12.2009 08:53 |
rhapsody8 wrote: Thank you very much. Here is a DVD cover: Excellent artwork, thanks. |
| QueenFan76 02.12.2009 10:33 |
Thanks so much for this, I hope the official release is as nice. (Plus of course the songs that BBC failed to air like White Queen, Ogre Battle and such) I don't understand something, Why if the band kept playing didn't they just keep the cameras rolling for Seven Seas & See What A Fool? I really hope and wish that they'd do a DVD release with this paired with Rainbow 74, the WHOLE show, not just the crap edit that made its way to VHS copies. Again thanks though, something to tide us non UK people over til the release of the DVD! |
| The Real Wizard 02.12.2009 11:55 |
QueenFan76 wrote: Why if the band kept playing didn't they just keep the cameras rolling for Seven Seas & See What A Fool? Because the crew's job was to film it for TV. The broadcast portion of the show had ended, so they were packing up their gear. Back then, people generally didn't go out of their way to film bands without a good reason to do so, as they had no idea how valuable such footage would be decades later. There isn't too much footage of bands like Queen, Led Zeppelin, and Kiss from the 70s, even though they each played hundreds of concerts ... and there is even less of The Who, Pink Floyd, Genesis, The Eagles, and plenty of others. |
| BusyIntelligence 02.12.2009 13:05 |
WOW, what a quality. Never seen or heard this concert this way! Thanks for this early X-Mas gift!!! Maurits The Netherlands |
| queenside 03.12.2009 13:18 |
rhapsody8 wrote: Thank you very much. Here is a DVD cover: great artwork! i bet it's better than official artwork will be |
| pittrek 03.12.2009 14:24 |
queenside wrote:rhapsody8 wrote: Thank you very much. Here is a DVD cover:great artwork! i bet it's better than official artwork will be The official artwork will have a picture of bent Freddie on the front and red background, with the title written in Comic Sans |
| Bulsarian 03.12.2009 16:47 |
This one is better than the previous, but the version i have had for years is better than what BBC showed for some odd reason? lol. I will tell you, anyone that hasn't seen this, this has Freddie's best performance of In the lap of the gods...revisited on it!!! He sings it with so much emotion and it just gives me a chill up my spine, especially the 2nd verse. |
| Mr Mercury 03.12.2009 19:29 |
I must say a huge thank you to both Frank and Rien for thier shares in this re-broadcast. And to both Frank and Alex for the technical talk regarding the quality of the recording. |
| tassilo 05.12.2009 03:48 |
Thanks a lot! |
| seagull 06.12.2009 18:39 |
Thx tgunn2760, I worked it out, it seems swapping from Bitlord to Bitcomet has resolved a few of my problems...and I'm 35%uploaded now!!! |
| shazamrock 07.12.2009 01:43 |
Thanks for sharing! |
| Dane 24.02.2010 14:16 |
Thanks Frank! Nice detail, Mott the Hoople is playing the new Odeon when Bob Harris does his new intro! |
| jazz 1979 13.05.2011 12:46 |
merci |
| maggiko foka 13.05.2011 17:20 |
i know it's an old post but.............is there any chance to have someone to seed it again ? ThanXaloT Stefano |
| GiantSpider 27.05.2011 18:22 |
I would love anyone who reseeded this as much as I love Frank for uploading it. Please. |
| Takeo 22.06.2013 03:30 |
Thank you very much! |
| Nitroboy 07.08.2014 02:15 |
Can someone seed or upload to Mega? :) Thanks |
| ipeniemela 08.08.2014 12:09 |
I'd like to get this one too. Anyone? Please? Pretty please with a cherry on top? ;) EDIT: Whoops, sorry, it seems it's being seeded so thank you. :) EDIT2: Finished downloading and took a quick look, I was floored! Absolutely blows away my previous VHS sourced version! |
| CESAR BELTRAN M 07.07.2015 01:45 |
Hi can anybody seed please? thank you. |
| Barry Durex 14.07.2015 04:15 |
There is an hour long version with the new audio mix being traded. |
| MackMantilla 14.07.2015 16:39 |
Barry Durex wrote: There is an hour long version with the new audio mix being traded.Any chance that someone could share it in here? |
| Barry Durex 16.07.2015 06:09 |
MackMantilla wrote:Probably best to wait for an official release, if you can't then perhaps take a look on TTD.Barry Durex wrote: There is an hour long version with the new audio mix being traded.Any chance that someone could share it in here? I think a sample can be found here link |
| aristide1 16.07.2015 07:33 |
Right. Don't fucking ask for a reseed CesarB, buy the traded version instead. As for you MackM, don't beg for the traded version, wait for the official one. Also, if you have a big electricity invoice - let's say - it's better to pay some now and the rest later. What do you think? |
| Barry Durex 16.07.2015 07:40 |
aristide1 wrote: Right. Don't fucking ask for a reseed CesarB, buy the traded version instead. As for you MackM, don't beg for the traded version, wait for the official one. Also, if you have a big electricity invoice - let's say - it's better to pay some now and the rest later. What do you think?Let's hope the official release is announced soon. BTW, TTD is a trading and sharing site, NOT a selling site. BIG difference. |
| aristide1 16.07.2015 07:45 |
Barry Durex wrote: ^ Let's hope the official release is announced soon. BTW, TTD is a trading and sharing site, NOT a selling site. BIG difference.Not such a BIG difference if you have NOTHING to trade. |
| Barry Durex 16.07.2015 07:51 |
aristide1 wrote:Like I said, it's also a sharing site, so it will most likely get shared if not released officially.Barry Durex wrote: ^ Let's hope the official release is announced soon. BTW, TTD is a trading and sharing site, NOT a selling site. BIG difference.Not such a BIG difference if you have NOTHING to trade. It's best to wait for that official announcement, it's been nearly forty years coming! |