QueenZone discussion #1204417

Alex Solan. wrote: lemme be the first to say THANKS PETE!!

Ginger01 wrote: Thanks for improving an already great share!!! :)

pittrek wrote:

  Ginger01 wrote: Thanks for improving an already great share!!! :)

Actually this is SirGH's work, so all the "thank you " comments should be targeted in his way :)

pittrek wrote:

Alex Solan. wrote: lemme be the first to say THANKS PETE!!

Let me be the first to ask you for a cover :)

Alex Solan. wrote: You've got a PM, pal !

pittrek wrote:

Alex Solan. wrote: You've got a PM, pal !

Not yet

Alex Solan. wrote:

pittrek wrote:

Alex Solan. wrote: You've got a PM, pal !

Not yet

Geez, stupid Queenzone bugs!! I've sent it... I'll try again

pogor1 wrote:   Thank You for sharing best possible version of such important recording!!      I have a question about chance to burn this project into music CD     

pittrek wrote: Unfortunately not. The CDDA specification requires 16bit / 44.1kHz wave files, this DVD has 32bit/96kHz wave.

Sir GH wrote:

pittrek wrote: Unfortunately not. The CDDA specification requires 16bit / 44.1kHz wave files, this DVD has 32bit/96kHz wave.

I thought it was 24? Either way, converting it down to 16 bit kind of defeats the purpose of using DVD-A, unless someone wants the speed corrected version and doesn't mind the quality reduction.  You definitely do hear digital artifacts at 16 bit, as the recording is so good to begin with.

Vali wrote: wow !! many thanks, Bob and Peter !! this is great ! cheers Vali

pittrek wrote:

Sir GH wrote:

pittrek wrote: Unfortunately not. The CDDA specification requires 16bit / 44.1kHz wave files, this DVD has 32bit/96kHz wave.

I thought it was 24? Either way, converting it down to 16 bit kind of defeats the purpose of using DVD-A, unless someone wants the speed corrected version and doesn't mind the quality reduction.  You definitely do hear digital artifacts at 16 bit, as the recording is so good to begin with.

Cool Edit Pro claims it's 32/96, I haven't checked it in anything else

pittrek wrote:

pogor1 wrote:   Thank You for sharing best possible version of such important recording!!      I have a question about chance to burn this project into music CD     

Unfortunately not. The CDDA specification requires 16bit / 44.1kHz wave files, this DVD has 32bit/96kHz wave. If you want to listen to it on CD, download the 16b/44.1kHz flac files which were also shared here

Sir GH wrote: I burned this to DVD-A basically so that I could listen to it on my stereo.  Computer speakers just don't do this recording justice.

TimBHM wrote:

pittrek wrote:

pogor1 wrote:   Thank You for sharing best possible version of such important recording!!      I have a question about chance to burn this project into music CD     

Unfortunately not. The CDDA specification requires 16bit / 44.1kHz wave files, this DVD has 32bit/96kHz wave. If you want to listen to it on CD, download the 16b/44.1kHz flac files which were also shared here

Just checked the official DVD-A spec - it only supports a maximum bitrate of 24 bit so as that's what the original files were encoded at, I'm guessing that's what's on the disc.

TimBHM wrote:

Sir GH wrote: I burned this to DVD-A basically so that I could listen to it on my stereo.  Computer speakers just don't do this recording justice.

Ah I see. So I'm assuming then that the DVD-A is encoded as LPCM stereo or is it lossless PPCM?

goa wrote: THANKS!!!! judging by the files in uTorrent window, this is not a DVD-A. This is a DVD-V (video)...excellent, cause I don't have DVD-A player

daffy_the_duck wrote: There a while I didn't post on QZ due to a removal in Paris but I'll try to be forgiven soon (if I find something which haven't been uploaded)

Alex Solan. wrote:

daffy_the_duck wrote: There a while I didn't post on QZ due to a removal in Paris but I'll try to be forgiven soon (if I find something which haven't been uploaded)

I don't understand this part...

pittrek wrote: I got a feeling that he is talking about the new stupid French law, they have now the right to "unplug" you if they catch you downloading illegal material :)

Rick wrote: Is this being seeded? It fluctuates constantly.

tgunn2760 wrote:

Alex Solan. wrote:

daffy_the_duck wrote: There a while I didn't post on QZ due to a removal in Paris but I'll try to be forgiven soon (if I find something which haven't been uploaded)

I don't understand this part...

Looks like he used an online translation tool. I didn't post to QZ for a while because I was sent  to Paris, but hope to compensate by finding somehing that hasn't been shared before? My guess anyway.

tgunn2760 wrote: Where is the artwork for this? Thanks to whoever made it. A question for Pittrek: Could you have made a slide show of this?

Rick wrote: Thanks, Peter. So I don't have to worry about my connection then :-)

Alex Solan. wrote: I wish I could make artwork for this but I can't find decent pics to do it...

goa wrote:

Alex Solan. wrote: I wish I could make artwork for this but I can't find decent pics to do it...

but the pics could be of any date of that year...I found amazing the last one you made for Emperors of Japan!!!

goa wrote:

Alex Solan. wrote: I wish I could make artwork for this but I can't find decent pics to do it...

but the pics could be of any date of that year...I found amazing the last one you made for Emperors of Japan!!!

tgunn2760 wrote:

goa wrote:

Alex Solan. wrote: I wish I could make artwork for this but I can't find decent pics to do it...

but the pics could be of any date of that year...I found amazing the last one you made for Emperors of Japan!!!

I agree...or simply logos of Queen.

Vali wrote: Alex, didn't you read my PM ? I've checked it and yes, I used the same pics from that same site for my artwork ... had to remove the copyright marks manually and apply additional beauty treatment here and there .... I can send you  my edited pics if you wanna give 'em a try, so you can avoid removing the copyright marks, wich is a long and boring task !

Alex Solan. wrote: oh my! I didn't get your PM Marc! fucking QZ PMs! jaja it happened the same to me when I tried to PM pittrek and he didn't get my message :@ I thought you've downloaded the pics without those marks! such a boring work as you said! you've done a wonderful job my friend and yes, I'd be really grateful if you could provide me of those pics you've edited so I can do some artwork for the audio share and this new one ;-) Muchas gracias amigo!! alex.solan@queenzone.com

Farrokh The Great wrote: Hi mates!, sorry if my English isn’t fine…   This is a GREAT SHARE !!!!   Thanks VERY MUCH to Bob for the work on this gem !!!!! Thanks VERY MUCH to pittrek for the share of this gem !!!!!   This a quality recording but it’s a pity it was recorded relatively distant from the stage/speakers, so it could be better :-)   Even in it’s 16 bit version IMHO this is one of the top best Queen audience recording until now, as well as Mannheim 86 "Done Under Pressure In Germany" (Gypsy Eye) and Vancouver 78 audience recording, even this recording sounds better than some closer to the stage recordings, for example better than Wembley 86 "A Day At The Stadium" (Kiss The Stone) cause the sound is a bit diffuse, although was recorded very close to the stage, and better than Osaka 85 "The Last Concert In Japan" (Masterport) audience recording, which distorts mainly in the percussions although I’m not sure if this is recording’s issue but the fact is that the sound is a bit unpleasant to hear     Boston recording * Precise and well defined sound, clean, the hiss is difficult to hear, no distortion is present; please not to confuse volume level or closeness to the stage with definition * Complete and rich sound: low, mid and high frequencies are present * Balanced, voices and every instrument can be heard, although in some parts the bass definition was a little bit lost, but isn’t a recording issue, e.g. KYA * The stereo effect is very limited, but anyway is a very enjoyable recording * And I don’t doubt this marvelous 24/96 DVD version contains a very DEEP sound, which raise it to a higher level       TimBHM WROTE: That's interesting - the original shares were written up as 16bit and 24bit. Can I ask a stupid quesiton? Why author this as a DVD-A, why not just share the remastered audio files? Does DVD-A offer something extra?       Hi, high resolution 24 bits audio files only can be played properly in equipment with 24bits/96 Khz digital to analog converters (DAC) or an appropriate card/motherboard, normally a DVD player or a Hi-Fi system meets those integrated circuits, this high resolution format is a huge improvement for any little ear-trained people, is much more rich in low and mid frequencies and gives a more precise highs and a more natural sound, a VERY enjoyable experience.     16 and 24 Bits Analog to Digital Converters/Digital to Analog Converters:   Signals in the real world are analog: light, sound, you name it. So, real-world signals must be converted into digital, using a circuit called ADC (Analog-to-Digital Converter), before they can be manipulated by digital equipment. An ADC can take an analog signal such as an electrical current (a music tape in this case), and digitize it into a binary format. The key to get high resolution music is the transfer be done in a high resolution ADC. It has a sample and hold circuitry which take very narrow samples periodically of the changing analog signal and hold that samples for an adequate analog to digital conversion.   Whenever we need the analog signal back, the opposite conversion – digital-to-analog, which is done by a circuit called DAC, Digital-to-Analog Converter – is needed. When you play an audio CD, what the CD player is doing is reading digital information stored on the disc and converting it back to analog so you can hear the music. In other words a DAC turns a digital value in an analog waveform from the same proportion.   Precision on ADC's If we would have an analog audio signal changing between 0 and 5 Volts (1 volt = 1000 milivolts)   A 16 bits/44.1 khz converter has a maximum resolution of 0.07629 milivolts and takes samples of the audio signal 44 100 times per second   A 24 bits/96 khz converter has a maximum resolution of 0.00029 milivolts and takes samples of the audio signal 96 000 times per second   The maximum resolution is the smallest amount of audio signal (in milivolts) that can be measured by the converter. As the 24/96 converter divide the audio signal in more small portions therefore is much more precise and can to exhibit much more audio content, for this reason we have BIG sized files that only can be reproduced in DVD format or 24 bit capable IO cards/motherboards.   So while: A 16 bits converter has a range of values assigned of          65,536 for each sample A 24 bits converter has a range of values assigned of  16,777,216 for each sample     Cheers!

Farrokh The Great wrote: Wembley 86 "A Day At The Stadium" (Kiss The Stone) cause the sound is a bit diffuse, although was recorded very close to the stage

And I don’t doubt this marvelous 24/96 DVD version contains a very DEEP sound, which raise it to a higher level

Sir GH wrote:

Farrokh The Great wrote: Wembley 86 "A Day At The Stadium" (Kiss The Stone) cause the sound is a bit diffuse, although was recorded very close to the stage

That's actually a soundboard recording, taken from a radio broadcast.. !

And I don’t doubt this marvelous 24/96 DVD version contains a very DEEP sound, which raise it to a higher level

But that's only because the recording was shared in 24/96 quality to begin with.  This sounds exactly the same as the FLAC files that were shared on Dime, with the only difference being I slowed it down to play at the right speed.  In other words, we couldn't scale up the 16/44 recording to sound like this.  It would still sound the same, and it would just be bigger files.  The 16/44 share was dithered down from the original 24/96 files, and that quality loss cannot be brought back. Can someone tell me what the difference between audio DVD and DVD-A is?  Is it that DVD-A has to be 5.1 ?

pittrek wrote: No - DVD-Audio is an alternative to DVD-Video :[url=http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/DVD-A%5B/url][url=http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/DVD-A%5B/url%5B/url][url=http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/DVD-A%5B/url%5B/url%5B/url] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-A[/url[/url[/url]]]

BTW could you maybe slow down the 16/44.1 version for burning it to CD? I tried to demux the video but for some reason I end up with an damaged file

eYe wrote: http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1195954.html

Farrokh The Great wrote: can you tell me what is installed in your PC for to hear the 24 Bits version?

goa wrote: any DVD-V with PCM it's lossless. and in this case is exactly equal to the source: 24/96 The advange of DVD-A is you could havelmultichannel lossless...DVD-V cannot reach that, nor go beyond 96

ruth.olivier wrote: I'm lost !! Lol.

ruth.olivier wrote: 16 bits, 24 bits, DVD-A, Audio-DVD, DVD-V, ... I'm lost !! Lol. God, this becomes a bit too technical for me, or is my english not being quite good !! I'm sure it is a really impressive project undertook here, and it sounds like the word "Quality" is everywhere around !! so thanks a lot for that one, even if I don't get everything right ;o) Regards, Olivier, Belgium.

Alex Solan. wrote: Assuming this is a NTSC DVD, here the artwork (I've chosen a CD jewel-case format for this) front cover (preview) [img=link front and inner cover (preview) [img=link back (preview) [img=link download from here (PNG gallery, click the thumbail and then click "full size" to download the full size cover: http://img3.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=queenrendezvousatbostonz.png Feel free to point out any typo or mistake. Enjoy.

pittrek wrote: Goa, Alex will love you for this :-)

goa wrote: thanks from here too... now you will kill me...cause there is a THING: you wrote DTS in the LABEL and in the BACK. DTS is lossy. And the AUDIO in this DVD is PCM (lossless) sorry to be a real pain in the ass :lol:

Farrokh The Great wrote:   goa wrote: this DVD- V is absolutely lossless. .

kurgan100 wrote: I have a four year ETA on this one, any chance of more seeders please? 

bryony wrote: Hello Is anybody able to help me out with a snail mail trade for this speed corrected dvd ? I'd love to hear it but can't download I'm in the UK - happy to cover your costs - send you some blank dvd's maybe or suchlike Please PM me if you can help Cheers bryony

kurgan100 wrote: Is there some kind of menu on this?  A stange white rectangle moves up and down on my copy when arrows pressed.

bryony wrote: Hello Can somebody kindly re-post the link to the DVD slipcase artwork for this ? I thought I had it but when it came out of the printer it looked like I'd enlarged from a small picture and it looks real bad!