QueenZone discussion #1201827

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STELIOS wrote: I see you all took it very lightly.You see in my country it would probably be still an issue.And to be honest i can still see a barrier in the rock world and homosexuality (unfortunately), were you probably don't. And you are right. I wanted to hear vicious stories about Brian saying that his fagot- mustache ruined the mystique of the Prophet-like songs, Roger calling Delilah a Fairies song, and John running naked and hiding before Freddie jumps all over him...and in a way he still is(hiding)!

rhyeking wrote: Most of the disagreements I've read about were music-related, in the studio, fighting over the direction a song should take, or about lyrics or individual parts of a song. I doubt it ever got so personal as you imply with your question. If it did, obviously they learned to get over it, or past it, because they worked together for over 20 years.

Micrówave wrote: And Roger... well... he was just Roger.

Mr Mercury wrote: If Brian, Roger and John did have a problem with Freddie's sexuality, then they would have left straight away. So in my opinion it was never a problem for them. And anyway, Freddie's initial image was more of an androgynous look, championed by the likes of David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust persona.

tjleone wrote: Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day Was he gay? He's married and fathered 2 children.

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Crisstti wrote: I get the impression it might have caused some problems. -  I'm pretty sure Brian is not all that open minded about it.  He made a comment on his soapbox about Jim's book or about the Freddie's Loves documentary (or about both), I think answering to comments someone sent him about it,  that sounded to me more than a little homophobic.  So, considering that, I find it quite probable that they had some problems about that. -  It seems pretty clear to me that by the late 70's, eary 80's they were having some problems.  That was exactly the time when Freddie came out and had boyfriends and was living a pretty promiscuous lifstyle. - Brian dislikes Don't Stop me Now, which has clear gay references (and consider Freddie's jacket in the video). -  Brian said in an interview how he "had a go" at Freddie for the lyrics of Body Language, because they were too clearly gay, and therefore didn't represent all of them, saying he tried to write songs in a way in which they didn't clearly refer to a waman so that Freddie could feel them when singing them as well (I'm not reading the interview now so it's by memory). Them having stayed together doesn't mean the others didn't care about Freddie's sexuality.  Just that they didn't care that much, or just dealt with it.

Zander05 wrote:

  Crisstti wrote: I get the impression it might have caused some problems. -  I'm pretty sure Brian is not all that open minded about it.  He made a comment on his soapbox about Jim's book or about the Freddie's Loves documentary (or about both), I think answering to comments someone sent him about it,  that sounded to me more than a little homophobic.  So, considering that, I find it quite probable that they had some problems about that. -  It seems pretty clear to me that by the late 70's, eary 80's they were having some problems.  That was exactly the time when Freddie came out and had boyfriends and was living a pretty promiscuous lifstyle. - Brian dislikes Don't Stop me Now, which has clear gay references (and consider Freddie's jacket in the video). -  Brian said in an interview how he "had a go" at Freddie for the lyrics of Body Language, because they were too clearly gay, and therefore didn't represent all of them, saying he tried to write songs in a way in which they didn't clearly refer to a waman so that Freddie could feel them when singing them as well (I'm not reading the interview now so it's by memory). Them having stayed together doesn't mean the others didn't care about Freddie's sexuality.  Just that they didn't care that much, or just dealt with it.

I'd like to preface this by saying I don't know Brian May. And it would be presumptuous of me to think that he isn't capable of being squicked out by "the gay" as loads of straight men are prone to do from time to time. I'd imagine in general, he doesn't give a damn one way or the other what someone's sexual orientation is, but still - he's human. - I haven't read Brian's comments on the book or documentary. I'm as queer as a three dollar bill but even I didn't like them because they were invading Freddie's privacy. I love his singing, but I don't need to know what he did in bed and who he did it with! If that happened to be his opinion too, that wouldn't be the least bit homophobic - more like "I don't need to know details of my colleague's sex life!" - What problems might there have been specifically? Can you give an example... a real one, and not a mere speculation? (I'm trying to be harsh here, I swear!) - Okay, Freddie wore leather back in the day. So what? I'm so sick of the stereotype that leather is something only gay men are into wearing (or doing, if you consider the word "leather" a euphemism for kink/BDSM)! And maybe Brian doesn't like Don't Stop Me Now because he just doesn't like it? Feel free to post a link or something if there's an interview where Brian says something along the lines of, "I didn't like the song Don't Stop Me Now because it's so blatantly gay and I'm so uber heterosexual and now people are totally going to think I like guys omg!!!" Not every member of Queen liked each other's work. - I don't really like Body Language either, but it got on the album anyway. Sort of like how Gimme The Prize got on the A Kind Of Magic album (I'm not being petty, I really dislike that song... with the exception of the opening solo).

Crisstti wrote: I get the impression it might have caused some problems. -  I'm pretty sure Brian is not all that open minded about it.  He made a comment on his soapbox about Jim's book or about the Freddie's Loves documentary (or about both), I think answering to comments someone sent him about it,  that sounded to me more than a little homophobic.  So, considering that, I find it quite probable that they had some problems about that. -  It seems pretty clear to me that by the late 70's, eary 80's they were having some problems.  That was exactly the time when Freddie came out and had boyfriends and was living a pretty promiscuous lifstyle. - Brian dislikes Don't Stop me Now, which has clear gay references (and consider Freddie's jacket in the video). -  Brian said in an interview how he "had a go" at Freddie for the lyrics of Body Language, because they were too clearly gay, and therefore didn't represent all of them, saying he tried to write songs in a way in which they didn't clearly refer to a waman so that Freddie could feel them when singing them as well (I'm not reading the interview now so it's by memory). Them having stayed together doesn't mean the others didn't care about Freddie's sexuality.  Just that they didn't care that much, or just dealt with it.

Soapy Gonad wrote: I think that Freddie turned gay because he listened to Hot Space. Before that he liked to pump women. The same thing happened to me when I listened to Hot Space. I left my wife and kids and started to touch men's cloth. Had it not been for FLASSH SOUNDTRACKS I think I would still be in the Faroah IslANDS with the piece in my bottom. HAHAHAH!!!111!! Only joking Qwenzones! I bloody love the Invisible Man, which i am right in thinking is about Freddie's final illnesses.

Angeline wrote:

  Crisstti wrote: I get the impression it might have caused some problems. -  I'm pretty sure Brian is not all that open minded about it.  He made a comment on his soapbox about Jim's book or about the Freddie's Loves documentary (or about both), I think answering to comments someone sent him about it,  that sounded to me more than a little homophobic.  So, considering that, I find it quite probable that they had some problems about that. -  It seems pretty clear to me that by the late 70's, eary 80's they were having some problems.  That was exactly the time when Freddie came out and had boyfriends and was living a pretty promiscuous lifstyle. - Brian dislikes Don't Stop me Now, which has clear gay references (and consider Freddie's jacket in the video). -  Brian said in an interview how he "had a go" at Freddie for the lyrics of Body Language, because they were too clearly gay, and therefore didn't represent all of them, saying he tried to write songs in a way in which they didn't clearly refer to a waman so that Freddie could feel them when singing them as well (I'm not reading the interview now so it's by memory). Them having stayed together doesn't mean the others didn't care about Freddie's sexuality.  Just that they didn't care that much, or just dealt with it.

Um...I disagree with pretty much everything you have said.  And find most of it offensive.  Brian defends DSMN on his soapbox actually.

Saif wrote: Actually, Angeline, Brian has expressed distaste for the song in the past. Either he's changed his opinion or he's only defending its popularity(or something). Anyway, contrary to Crisstti's opinion, he hated the song apparently because it was not "rock enough"(not verbatim). In my opinion, he's just butthurt over the fact that his only input on the studio version is the guitar solo. And the interview Crisstti's talking about regarding Body Language...nowhere did Brian condemn Freddie for using homoerotic overtones. He was uncomfortable with the suggestive lyrics in general, which I myself find too sleazy. There's nothing gay about the lyrics anyway, only the video could be construed that way. Besides, 'gay' rhymes with Brian May, so I bet he's totally gay(happy) with Freddie being gay. :P

catqueen wrote: There are several songs Brian says publically he doesn't like, and there are several Roger doesn't like.  It could be to do with a million things - music, lyrics, way it was recorded, produced, marketed, being sick on the day it was recorded, etc, etc, etc.  If Brian had such an issue with Freddie's homosexuality, why did he let him 'eat' the guitar and rub against him?  In one concert Brian looks uncomfortable, but it seems like it was something else was wrong.  In the audio commentary about Body Language, i got the impression that it was more like 'ho hum... slight embarrassment... yikes, was it really this camp?!'  and that the main problem he had with it was that Freddie was coming under a lot of pressure to make a 'gay' video, rather then that Freddie actually particularly wanted to make it.  Also, it was so different from their other videos, and was not necessarily the direction they were going in at the time.  But that's just my opinion.

dragon-fly wrote: I don't think Brian particularly had problem with Freddie being gay. The reason for argument was music and all the process connected with it. Otherwise, he wouldn't agree to wear a dress in I Want To Break Free!

Crisstti wrote:

  catqueen wrote: There are several songs Brian says publically he doesn't like, and there are several Roger doesn't like.  It could be to do with a million things - music, lyrics, way it was recorded, produced, marketed, being sick on the day it was recorded, etc, etc, etc.  If Brian had such an issue with Freddie's homosexuality, why did he let him 'eat' the guitar and rub against him?  In one concert Brian looks uncomfortable, but it seems like it was something else was wrong.  In the audio commentary about Body Language, i got the impression that it was more like 'ho hum... slight embarrassment... yikes, was it really this camp?!'  and that the main problem he had with it was that Freddie was coming under a lot of pressure to make a 'gay' video, rather then that Freddie actually particularly wanted to make it.  Also, it was so different from their other videos, and was not necessarily the direction they were going in at the time.  But that's just my opinion.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.  Are you saying Freddie was being pressured to make a gay video?, by whom?. Also, I don't think Brian had "such an issue" with it.  But to some degree he did. Also, in Brian's Howard Stern interview, he seems uneasy when Howard asks him some staff about Freddie being gay.

Crisstti wrote: OK, here it is: http://queen.musichall.cz/en/interviews/brian-may-guitar-world-magazine-98.html GW: In today's world, people are more tolerant of the gay lifestyle. But what was it like early on, with Freddie being a gay man in the macho world of Seventies rock? MAY: Early on, it didn't exist. Or if it did, we never saw it. And I don't think Freddie was aware of it, either. He was very much with us. In the early days, we used to share rooms, so I would have known! Freddie had some gorgeous girls. So I don't think the subject ever came up. It's odd, isn't it, to think of that? And it was only later on...I couldn't really pin down the exact time, but I remember there was a point where we realized that Freddie was leading a bit of a different social life than us. He'd just go off on his own and say, "See you later." So gradually he was venturing off into other areas. He was encouraged by certain people who sort of brought him out, I guess. One of whom was our personal manager at the time. [pauses] How far do I want to get into this? He was a pretty over the top kind of person, and I think Freddie found himself in places where he wouldn't naturally had gotten to if that sort of door hadn't been forcibly opened for him. Do you know what I'm saying? I think he would have drifted into finding himself in a more gradual way if it hadn't suddenly exploded in on him. So there was a period in his life when he was seemingly completely blown away by it all. I can remember the Mott the Hoople tour [April 1974] was the first time I ever experienced sex on a grand scale. And it was almost really not my decision. It kind of happened to me, you know? I felt like I had no control. I think in a corresponding way, in a gay direction, that's what happened to Freddie a bit later on. But it didn't really change our relationship with him very much. Because we were always very close in the studio. And when we spoke of, you know, love stories in the studio, there was no distinction. You could be in love with whoever you wanted to be and the song would still make sense. But from Jazz album onwards, it would always cross my mind. Because I would be writing words for Freddie to sing. And it became a little game for me to write stuff for him which would make sense whichever way he saw it. GW: So your writing acquired a kind of... MAY: Yeah, another dimension. In fact, I can remember having a go at Freddie because some of the stuff he was writing was very definitely on the gay side. I remember saying, "it would be nice if this stuff could be universally applicable, because we have friends out there of every persuasion." It's nice to involve people. What it's not nice to do is rope people out. And I felt kind of roped out by something that was very overtly a gay anthem, like "Body Language"[Hot Space, 1982]. I thought it was very hard to take that in the other way. It's hard to talk about this. But there you go.

Crisstti wrote:

  Crisstti wrote:  

      catqueen wrote:   There are several songs Brian says publically he doesn't like, and there are several Roger doesn't like.  It could be to do with a million things - music, lyrics, way it was recorded, produced, marketed, being sick on the day it was recorded, etc, etc, etc.  If Brian had such an issue with Freddie's homosexuality, why did he let him 'eat' the guitar and rub against him?  In one concert Brian looks uncomfortable, but it seems like it was something else was wrong.  In the audio commentary about Body Language, i got the impression that it was more like 'ho hum... slight embarrassment... yikes, was it really this camp?!'  and that the main problem he had with it was that Freddie was coming under a lot of pressure to make a 'gay' video, rather then that Freddie actually particularly wanted to make it.  Also, it was so different from their other videos, and was not necessarily the direction they were going in at the time.  But that's just my opinion.  

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.  Are you saying Freddie was being pressured to make a gay video?, by whom?. Also, I don't think Brian had "such an issue" with it.  But to some degree he did. Also, in Brian's Howard Stern interview, he seems uneasy when Howard asks him some staff about Freddie being gay.

Brian didn't explicitly say that, but it sounded like it in the commentary.  He said something along the lines taht he thinks a lot of Freddie's friends were expecting him to do a song/video like that and implied that there may have been some pressure to do a 'gay' video.  Whether it was pressure or encouragement I don't know!  :)  Like i said, i havent listened to the commentary in a while, but that is what i remember from it, because to be honest, i didn't really think about it being particularly gay.  I mean, obviously a person's identity affects the way they portray or interpret something, but i didn't think it was anything more then that.  And that interview quote is interesting, but Brian is a fairly analytical type of person, who seems to think a lot and try to figure out exactly what and why he thinks and feels what he doew, so imo, the only reason he could be taken as homophobic in that interview is because he has given hte issue some thought, so it sounds a bit stiff or something.  I don't think he is at all homophobic.  I guess like Zebonka said, he may be more prudish/reserved then homophobic, I think he sounds like this when he talks about parties, drugs, sex, etc, I don't think it had too much to do with just homosexuality.  And if he was homophobic, why would he change lyrics to make them more inclusive.   (please dont say "for money!" :) ) 

mike hunt wrote:   most straight rockers had that look in the 80's. the stache with the leather Jacket. 

mooghead wrote:

  mike hunt wrote:   most straight rockers had that look in the 80's. the stache with the leather Jacket. 

Photos please

Zebonka12 wrote: If this doesn't expose the subjectivity of the issue, I don't know what does.  Brian's interview there is as liberal and respectful of both sides as can be ...  how can anyone think he has a gay problem there??

mike hunt wrote:

mooghead wrote:

  mike hunt wrote:   most straight rockers had that look in the 80's. the stache with the leather Jacket. 

Photos please

why do I need photo's?...lol. I lived it!...I was a 80's child.......I know a lot of rockers and straight men had the stache and leather Jacket, it was a popular look back then. You want photo's?....maybe not rockers, but popular straight men of that era who had staches Just like freddie. "burt reynolds".......tom selleck (spelling?) and baseball player keith hernandez.  No one ever say's they had a gay look

mike hunt wrote: and as far as the leather Jacket?...every rock musician and rock fan wore one of those at one time or another.   going to a party in the eighties we all wore one of those, everyone of us. always put on someone else's Jacket cos we all had the same Type of jacket. And yes, a lot of us had staches too.  My only point is that I don't get this whole "gay look" thing.  Like now, a lot of gay men shave their heads, but it's not "the gay" look. Because a lot of straight men shave their heads too.  look at any old photo of any rocker from the 80's and chances are they have the leather jacket on, but freddie does it, then all a sudden it's the "gay look.".... Shit makes me laugh.  Halford's another story, his look was gay. With that leather hat and spikes. straight me rarely wore that.

Saif wrote:

  mike hunt wrote:  

      mooghead wrote:      

              mike hunt wrote:         most straight rockers had that look in the 80's. the stache with the leather Jacket.       

Photos please

why do I need photo's?...lol. I lived it!...I was a 80's child.......I know a lot of rockers and straight men had the stache and leather Jacket, it was a popular look back then. You want photo's?....maybe not rockers, but popular straight men of that era who had staches Just like freddie. "burt reynolds".......tom selleck (spelling?) and baseball player keith hernandez.  No one ever say's they had a gay look

Ron Jeremy has a 'stache too!

mike hunt wrote: It's obvious from interviews that brian had a problem with freddie's sexuality.  I remember brian commenting on the video "crazy little thing" that he was uncomforable with boys being in the video,   I don't think songs like don't stop me now, get down make love and body language are really that gay.   A straight man could have sang those songs, and none of us would think nothing about it,....except that he loves writing about sex. 

  Crisstti wrote:  

      Crisstti wrote:       I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.  Are you saying Freddie was being pressured to make a gay video?, by whom?. Also, I don't think Brian had "such an issue" with it.  But to some degree he did. Also, in Brian's Howard Stern interview, he seems uneasy when Howard asks him some staff about Freddie being gay.

Brian didn't explicitly say that, but it sounded like it in the commentary.  He said something along the lines taht he thinks a lot of Freddie's friends were expecting him to do a song/video like that and implied that there may have been some pressure to do a 'gay' video.  Whether it was pressure or encouragement I don't know!  :)  Like i said, i havent listened to the commentary in a while, but that is what i remember from it, because to be honest, i didn't really think about it being particularly gay.  I mean, obviously a person's identity affects the way they portray or interpret something, but i didn't think it was anything more then that.  And that interview quote is interesting, but Brian is a fairly analytical type of person, who seems to think a lot and try to figure out exactly what and why he thinks and feels what he doew, so imo, the only reason he could be taken as homophobic in that interview is because he has given hte issue some thought, so it sounds a bit stiff or something.  I don't think he is at all homophobic.  I guess like Zebonka said, he may be more prudish/reserved then homophobic, I think he sounds like this when he talks about parties, drugs, sex, etc, I don't think it had too much to do with just homosexuality.  And if he was homophobic, why would he change lyrics to make them more inclusive.   (please dont say "for money!" :) ) 

mike hunt wrote: those black leather Jackets were worn by brian as well.  I wear one of those jackets and I'm far from gay.  I don't get what the Jacket in the "don't stop me now video" has to do with anything.  Same with the mustache thing.  People refer to the 80's freddie as the gay look.  In the 80's that look was very popular with straight men also.  The Burt reynolds look.  most straight rockers had that look in the 80's. the stache with the leather Jacket. 

      Crisstti wrote:      

              mike hunt wrote:       those black leather Jackets were worn by brian as well.  I wear one of those jackets and I'm far from gay.  I don't get what the Jacket in the "don't stop me now video" has to do with anything.  Same with the mustache thing.  People refer to the 80's freddie as the gay look.  In the 80's that look was very popular with straight men also.  The Burt reynolds look.  most straight rockers had that look in the 80's. the stache with the leather Jacket.       

I just made a mistake when I wrote "jacket".  I meant Freddie's shirt in that video.  Which has the logo of a New ork gay sex club.  Who knows if the others were aware of that though. About Freddie's 80's look being a "gay look" though, it definetly was.  Brian himself says it in an interview.  The interviewer asks him something like "it must have been hard for rock fans to see Freddie with his more stereotypical gay look in the 80's", and Brian sasy something like "yeah, but it shouldn't".  So he accepted the interviewer's statement that it was a gay look.

Zander05 wrote: Not to be rude or anything, but that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. And me being me (read, "big, flaming queer"), I've heard a LOT of dumb crap from a LOT of people. This enters my Top Three though. Congratulations, I guess! Seriously, you think that Brian couldn't possibly dislike a song for any other reason than Freddie's choice of clothing? REALLY??? .... Seriously?! I have brain damage from a pre-existing birth defect, but you've just made it worse.

Crisstti wrote: Further: "MAY: Yeah, another dimension. In fact, I can remember having a go at Freddie because some of the stuff he was writing was very definitely on the gay side. I remember saying, "it would be nice if this stuff could be universally applicable, because we have friends out there of every persuasion." It's nice to involve people. What it's not nice to do is rope people out. And I felt kind of roped out by something that was very overtly a gay anthem, like "Body Language"[Hot Space, 1982]. I thought it was very hard to take that in the other way. It's hard to talk about this. But there you go." Saying "some of the staff" clearly implies Brian is talking about more than one song.  What anotehr song could he be refering to, apart from Body Language?.  Don't Stop me Now is an obvious answer.

Zebonka12 wrote: If I were Brian I'd be less mad about the gay thing and more mad that I had to snap my fingers like a douche ....

TheRobin wrote:

  Crisstti wrote: Further: "MAY: Yeah, another dimension. In fact, I can remember having a go at Freddie because some of the stuff he was writing was very definitely on the gay side. I remember saying, "it would be nice if this stuff could be universally applicable, because we have friends out there of every persuasion." It's nice to involve people. What it's not nice to do is rope people out. And I felt kind of roped out by something that was very overtly a gay anthem, like "Body Language"[Hot Space, 1982]. I thought it was very hard to take that in the other way. It's hard to talk about this. But there you go." Saying "some of the staff" clearly implies Brian is talking about more than one song.  What anotehr song could he be refering to, apart from Body Language?.  Don't Stop me Now is an obvious answer.

I can understand where Brian is coming from in that quote, and I'm probably the LAST person on Earth who someone would call homophobic. Brian is saying that with some songs Freddie had (MAYBE) presented to the band were, as he said "on the gay side". Brian's problem is that the songs Freddie presented had no consideration for anything else with the band other than the "gay subject". Now Queen is 3/4 straight, if you have a song that is only about a "gay subject" it wouldn't be so democratic and everything would just be weird. Imagine you're Brian, Roger, or John and are playing a song where Freddie is talking about visiting gay clubs and dancing all over guys (this is ONLY AN EXAMPLE!), it'd be extremely awkward because you wouldn't dance all over guys being a straight man (I'm actually female but I'm only using an example). The "some of the stuff" part could have been discarded songs that the band refused to play, or Freddie realizing that he wasn't thinking of what the band would think about the unknown songs. Now, some songs may have been edited, like Body Language to tune down the gay hints, to make the rest of the band feel more included and have some say the direction of the song was going to take. NOW, why would ANYONE think the band might have disliked Freddie for his sexuality? I'm talking about the older posts in this topic. I don't think his sexuality influenced one single iota in the way the other guys perceived him. Brian and Freddie were best friends! Roger and Freddie were best friends! John and Freddie were best friends! The band were his best friends so why should something so minimal and pointless as one's sexuality make a difference in a friendship? It's ridiculous some of you would even think that. And Chrisstti, I never figured Don't Stop Me Now to be about anything gay. In an earlier post you said something about him saying, "I wanna make a supersonic man outta you." He says the same thing later about a woman. Anyways, I think the song is about using cocaine. It's obvious he's talking about getting high! FFS he calls himself an out of control satellite, a tiger who defies the law of gravity, a shooting star, and a race car! And if you wanna have a good time just call him and he'll throw a party and supply you with drugs. WHAT FUN! To put it all together, there wasn't a "Gay Issue" within Queen. I highly doubt any member was homophobic, how weird is it to have your best friend be gay and you're homophobic - it doesn't make sense. Probably the only "problem" which seems very minor, was the overtly gay material in a couple of songs that the rest of the band would have had a, rightfully so, problem with seeing as they're straight! It'd be just as weird to make a song about having sex with lots and lots of women, Freddie wasn't straight and they wouldn't want to isolate, or "rope out" as Brian says, any group of people. They kept it pretty general IMO. Wow, did I write a book there or what?

Sebastian wrote: Don't Stop Me Now: I think Brian loves the song but hates the video (so do I BTW), as it happens with A Hard Life. Regarding Howard Stern: Dr May may (no pun intended) have avoided those sorts of questions because he didn't want them to be twisted. Remember that in showbiz, anything you say can be used against you. This very thread proves that! Regarding the documentary: He felt outraged about how Freddie's private life was being exposed; as a man who suffered a lot from media gossip, he surely related to it. He also complained about people slamming Michael Jackson without any proof (allegedly), and about the Townshend thing. He's surely a bloke with principles. Body Language: I don't think it's a gay issue. Besides the song being shite, Doc could've been concerned about losing their universal appeal. It's a shame he didn't apply that same rule to himself: it's a bit unfair (IMO) that the lads only played Teo Torriatte in Japan, as I'm sure loads of people in Europe, Oceania, Africa and the Americas would've enjoyed it too, even if speaking another language (wasn't it the whole point of Love of My Life?). By the way, a man who wrote 'tried to be a son and daughter rolled into one' and 'I want you to be a woman' wouldn't be homophobic IMO. I think it's been also established that the band sometimes felt uncomfortable about Fred's flamboyance, but it wasn't related to his sexuality per se. He could've been heterosexual and still worn those clothes, and they'd have felt ridiculous in the same amount.

GratefulFan wrote: The gayest thing about Body Language was the men standing around snapping their fingers in what one had to conclude was a bathhouse.  Lyrically, if anything, it sounds like he's talking about a woman. I suppose conceptually - once one witnessed men standing around snapping their fingers in a bathhouse - one might equate the term 'body language' with gaydar.  I found 'Get Down Make Love' lyrically and atmospherically gayer by a magnitude.