QueenZone discussion #1201471

QueenPaulo wrote: in your opinion Queen is the greatest band ever, in my opinion Queen is the greatest band ever too, but have people who prefer Johnas Brothers....Do you understand what it  means?????

itsmeskc wrote: BUT MUSICIANSHIP SPEAKING- THAT IS THE SKILL IN WHICH THE MEMBERS PLAY THEIR RESPECTIVE INSTRUMENTS- NO BAND TOUCHES QUEEN

lalaalalaa wrote: One reason Queen is my favorite is that they've played around 40 different genres of music. Here's a video of it.  Please rate and leave comments (both good and bad) link

Saif wrote:

  lalaalalaa wrote: One reason Queen is my favorite is that they've played around 40 different genres of music. Here's a video of it.  Please rate and leave comments (both good and bad) link

Good video, but some of the genres just seem randomly assigned and inaccurate. Prophet's Song is progressive rock, not power metal. Power Metal didn't exist in 1975, there was only Heavy Metal(and Proto-Doom Metal). The closest you'll get to Power Metal from then is Rainbow's Stargazer. Innuendo isn't Progressive Metal either. What's metal about it? It's just Hard Rock with progressive influences. Killer Queen is Music Hall, not glam. "Tie Your Mother Down", however is a precursor to Glam Metal, even though the song itself is true heavy metal; whereas most glam metal bands were really hard rock(with exceptions: WASP, early/late Motley Crue, later Skid Row, Twisted Sister, later Steelheart). Other than that, it's spot on. Good job.

iiiibrahiiim wrote: In my mind Pink Floyd (after Barrett) is greater. One reason is that they never had weak moments like Hot Space...and certain cooperations... Other reason is their music...songs like Echoes...albums like The Wall... Also their live shows (The Wall) Well, Roger Taylor is probably the better drummer than Mason Brian May is probably the better guitarist than Gilmour Freddie of course the better singer than Waters/Gilmour John probably better bassist than Waters But it's Waters lyrics and Gilmour/Wrights/Waters music that make the difference Led Zeppelin? OverOverrated.

dragon-fly wrote:

QueenPaulo wrote: in your opinion Queen is the greatest band ever, in my opinion Queen is the greatest band ever too, but have people who prefer Johnas Brothers....Do you understand what it  means?????

Yes (I guess), no escape from reality..

QueenPaulo wrote:

dragon-fly wrote:

QueenPaulo wrote: in your opinion Queen is the greatest band ever, in my opinion Queen is the greatest band ever too, but have people who prefer Johnas Brothers....Do you understand what it  means?????

Yes (I guess), no escape from reality..

yeah.... no scape from reality

Sir GH wrote:

              itsmeskc wrote:       BUT MUSICIANSHIP SPEAKING- THAT IS THE SKILL IN WHICH THE MEMBERS PLAY THEIR RESPECTIVE INSTRUMENTS- NO BAND TOUCHES QUEEN      

You're saying the members of Queen are better instrumentalists than all of the following? The Mothers Chicago Genesis Yes Rush Dream Theater Does this include funk and r&b ?  How about jazz trios?

QUEENexpert wrote: How about we just say that QUEEN is a really amazing band and that there are a lot of other really good bands too. Can we agree on that?

mike hunt wrote:

QUEENexpert wrote: How about we just say that QUEEN is a really amazing band and that there are a lot of other really good bands too. Can we agree on that?

Agreed

lalaalalaa wrote:

Saif wrote:

  lalaalalaa wrote: One reason Queen is my favorite is that they've played around 40 different genres of music. Here's a video of it.  Please rate and leave comments (both good and bad) link

Good video, but some of the genres just seem randomly assigned and inaccurate. Prophet's Song is progressive rock, not power metal. Power Metal didn't exist in 1975, there was only Heavy Metal(and Proto-Doom Metal). The closest you'll get to Power Metal from then is Rainbow's Stargazer. Innuendo isn't Progressive Metal either. What's metal about it? It's just Hard Rock with progressive influences. Killer Queen is Music Hall, not glam. "Tie Your Mother Down", however is a precursor to Glam Metal, even though the song itself is true heavy metal; whereas most glam metal bands were really hard rock(with exceptions: WASP, early/late Motley Crue, later Skid Row, Twisted Sister, later Steelheart). Other than that, it's spot on. Good job.

itsmeskc wrote: Sir GH- YES! EMPHATICALLY YES!!!! QUEEN are more talented than the bands u mentioned  CHICAGO? No where within the same league of musicianship..

granted Neil Peart is probably a more powerful and technically more solid rock drummer than roger, but does he sing, write, play keyboards, bass guitar, rythym guitar like Roger does?

  Saif wrote:  

      lalaalalaa wrote:      

              Saif wrote:              

                              lalaalalaa wrote:               One reason Queen is my favorite is that they've played around 40 different genres of music. Here's a video of it.  Please rate and leave comments (both good and bad) link

Good video, but some of the genres just seem randomly assigned and inaccurate. Prophet's Song is progressive rock, not power metal. Power Metal didn't exist in 1975, there was only Heavy Metal(and Proto-Doom Metal). The closest you'll get to Power Metal from then is Rainbow's Stargazer. Innuendo isn't Progressive Metal either. What's metal about it? It's just Hard Rock with progressive influences. Killer Queen is Music Hall, not glam. "Tie Your Mother Down", however is a precursor to Glam Metal, even though the song itself is true heavy metal; whereas most glam metal bands were really hard rock(with exceptions: WASP, early/late Motley Crue, later Skid Row, Twisted Sister, later Steelheart). Other than that, it's spot on. Good job.              

According to Wikipedia, The Prophet's Song is considered the first Power Metal song.  That's also where I got Innuendo as Progressive Metal, which I can sort of see after relistining to it

lalaalalaa wrote: I know you can edit Wikipedia, but usually when someone does it, it usually only lasts for about less than 24 hours, then it changes back. Innuendo is heavier than you give it credit for.  I could see a lot of metal bands playing this song (although they'd probably remove the synths.)  I'll disagree over and over again about The Prophet's song.  It Power Metal in my ears.  This discussion on genres is completely debatable, like saying Stone Cold Crazy is the first thrash song.  I think this, but not everyone agrees.  Some say it isn't thrash. I love these discussions :D

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Much of Rush, Chicago, Zappa, Yes, Dream Theater is wildly complicated and not easily accessible for the mainstream.  That shouldn't dismiss it from the category of great music.  Like what you like and enjoy it as music isn't sport and there doesn't need to be a winner.  

philip storey wrote: The Beatles ! Oh please ! There was no body else around at that time. Queen were /are in competion with hundreds of bands.

 QUEEN are more talented than the bands u mentioned  CHICAGO? No where within the same league of musicianship..

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: "Terry Kath was a better guitarist & songwriter."

lalaalalaa wrote: Let's see Terry Kath recreate Get Down, Make Love or Chinese Torture.  Or Good Company :)

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: "Terry Kath was a better guitarist & songwriter."  

QueenPaulo wrote:

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: "Terry Kath was a better guitarist & songwriter."  

who saied it??????

  lalaalalaa wrote:  

      Sheer Brass Neck wrote:   "Terry Kath was a better guitarist & songwriter."  

How so?  Because he knew jazz stuff?  Why aren't his solos a fifth as well known as Brian's?  I don't know the entire Chicago catlogue well enough to disparage or praise his writing, but with songs like Long Away and White Queen and It's Late, Brian's obscure works dwarves most rock writers best, Terry Kath must have some great music for you to make such a statement.   

Holly2003 wrote:

      lalaalalaa wrote:      

              Sheer Brass Neck wrote:       "Terry Kath was a better guitarist & songwriter."      

How so?  Because he knew jazz stuff?  Why aren't his solos a fifth as well known as Brian's?  I don't know the entire Chicago catlogue well enough to disparage or praise his writing, but with songs like Long Away and White Queen and It's Late, Brian's obscure works dwarves most rock writers best, Terry Kath must have some great music for you to make such a statement.   

mike hunt wrote: this is when the thread should end.  The queen stefords who think no one could match freddie as a vocalist, and no one could play the guitar like brian gets the other clowns pissed off. then these other clowns go out of their way too say bands like chicago, rush, genesis, and many other great bands are better than queen.  Are we gonna get anywhere in this thread?......Can we all agree on one thing?....queen were one of the best bands ever,  but not the greatest. 

mike hunt wrote: this is when the thread should end.  The queen stefords who think no one could match freddie as a vocalist, and no one could play the guitar like brian gets the other clowns pissed off. then these other clowns go out of their way too say bands like chicago, rush, genesis, and many other great bands are better than queen.  Are we gonna get anywhere in this thread?......Can we all agree on one thing?....queen were one of the best bands ever,  but not the greatest. 

mike hunt wrote: this is when the thread should end.  The queen stefords who think no one could match freddie as a vocalist, and no one could play the guitar like brian gets the other clowns pissed off. then these other clowns go out of their way too say bands like chicago, rush, genesis, and many other great bands are better than queen.  Are we gonna get anywhere in this thread?......Can we all agree on one thing?....queen were one of the best bands ever,  but not the greatest. 

Micrówave wrote: Brian couldn't play Free Form Guitar... that's for sure... ...in one take using an overdriven Fender Showman amplifier and a Fender Stratocaster guitar Brian never recorded anything in one take. Brian and Queen have never released any live recording without overdubs. Kath could also play banjo, accordian, bass, and drums.   Brian can't Kath could sing quite well, as evidenced in Colour My World.  Brian can't  (as evidenced in Back To The Light, Another World, Long Away, Lost Opportunity, Headlong, etc)

Rick wrote: They were in great in the studio. On stage, however, rather cowardice and not at all adventurous, which on its return resulted into monotonous setlists (of course, there are some exceptions).

Micrówave wrote: Brian couldn't play Free Form Guitar... that's for sure... ...in one take using an overdriven Fender Showman amplifier and a Fender Stratocaster guitar Brian never recorded anything in one take. Brian and Queen have never released any live recording without overdubs. Kath could also play banjo, accordian, bass, and drums.   Brian can't

Kath could sing quite well, as evidenced in Colour My World.  Brian can't  (as evidenced in Back To The Light, Another World, Long Away, Lost Opportunity, Headlong, etc)

Micrówave wrote: Brian couldn't play Free Form Guitar... that's for sure... ...in one take using an overdriven Fender Showman amplifier and a Fender Stratocaster guitar Brian never recorded anything in one take. Brian and Queen have never released any live recording without overdubs. Kath could also play banjo, accordian, bass, and drums.   Brian can't Kath could sing quite well, as evidenced in Colour My World.  Brian can't  (as evidenced in Back To The Light, Another World, Long Away, Lost Opportunity, Headlong, etc)

      Saif wrote:      

              mike hunt wrote:       this is when the thread should end.  The queen stefords who think no one could match freddie as a vocalist, and no one could play the guitar like brian gets the other clowns pissed off. then these other clowns go out of their way too say bands like chicago, rush, genesis, and many other great bands are better than queen.  Are we gonna get anywhere in this thread?......Can we all agree on one thing?....queen were one of the best bands ever,  but not the greatest.       

What's a steford? Do you rather mean 'stepford' as in "stepford wife"? Anyway, I had my head up Queen's ass at one time too(it was my "Queen phase"). Used to think Brian was one of the top 5 guitarists of all time(at least I never honestly believed him to be the best, like a few here do). Shit like that. But, technically, Freddie Mercury was the best rock vocalist based on skill alone. There's website called Nutsie and on their forums I saw people comparing the best rock vocalists and based on different criteria, they named Freddie #1. The stuff they evaluated included power, range, tone, control - basically everything except popularity and influence. I didn't bother getting the whole details because reading their nerdy over-enthusiastic discussions nauseated me. I mean FUCK! Do these guys have no life? They search out YouTube videos 24/7 trying to analyze what were the highest and lowest career notes hit by Freddie, Jeff Buckley, Bruce Dickinson, etc. They even argue childish where 'that note' "really was a Bb2" adding in parentheses often "(you know it was)". Enough about that. There were only two people with vocal ranges higher than Freddie's. They are Mike Patton and Ian Gillan. Though, they ranked pretty low in comparison to their awesome ranges. Mike Patton has a really crazy range, I can attest to that. He hit a lot of crazy high notes in Faith No More concerts and many low ones in Mr. Bungle concerts(even extremely low, guttural death growls). His range is more than 1.5 times that of Freddie...

lalaalalaa wrote:

  Micrówave wrote: Brian couldn't play Free Form Guitar... that's for sure... ...in one take using an overdriven Fender Showman amplifier and a Fender Stratocaster guitar Brian never recorded anything in one take. Brian and Queen have never released any live recording without overdubs. Kath could also play banjo, accordian, bass, and drums.   Brian can't Kath could sing quite well, as evidenced in Colour My World.  Brian can't  (as evidenced in Back To The Light, Another World, Long Away, Lost Opportunity, Headlong, etc)

Brian May is a great singer.

mike hunt wrote:

  Saif wrote:  

      mike hunt wrote:   this is when the thread should end.  The queen stefords who think no one could match freddie as a vocalist, and no one could play the guitar like brian gets the other clowns pissed off. then these other clowns go out of their way too say bands like chicago, rush, genesis, and many other great bands are better than queen.  Are we gonna get anywhere in this thread?......Can we all agree on one thing?....queen were one of the best bands ever,  but not the greatest.   

What's a steford? Do you rather mean 'stepford' as in "stepford wife"? Anyway, I had my head up Queen's ass at one time too(it was my "Queen phase"). Used to think Brian was one of the top 5 guitarists of all time(at least I never honestly believed him to be the best, like a few here do). Shit like that. But, technically, Freddie Mercury was the best rock vocalist based on skill alone. There's website called Nutsie and on their forums I saw people comparing the best rock vocalists and based on different criteria, they named Freddie #1. The stuff they evaluated included power, range, tone, control - basically everything except popularity and influence. I didn't bother getting the whole details because reading their nerdy over-enthusiastic discussions nauseated me. I mean FUCK! Do these guys have no life? They search out YouTube videos 24/7 trying to analyze what were the highest and lowest career notes hit by Freddie, Jeff Buckley, Bruce Dickinson, etc. They even argue childish where 'that note' "really was a Bb2" adding in parentheses often "(you know it was)". Enough about that. There were only two people with vocal ranges higher than Freddie's. They are Mike Patton and Ian Gillan. Though, they ranked pretty low in comparison to their awesome ranges. Mike Patton has a really crazy range, I can attest to that. He hit a lot of crazy high notes in Faith No More concerts and many low ones in Mr. Bungle concerts(even extremely low, guttural death growls). His range is more than 1.5 times that of Freddie...

god forbid someone mispells a word around here,  A few things,  Bruce Dickinson doesn't sing in key on the studio records, so he's not in freddie's league.  Mike patton has a very powerful voice and great range, but as a overall singer I'll still say freddie was better.  I went through that "queen phase" too. I thought they were better than every other band by miles, but over time you realize they were one of many great bands.   One thing about brian may,  he's a great guitarist, no question about that.   Probably my favorite,  but I could never put him in the top 5 of the greatest.  A top 5 great doesn't get overshadowed by a member of the same band like brian did.  Freddie overshadowed brian for the most part.  Did hendrix get overshadowed?....keith richards?....Mick Jagger was every bit the great  front man that freddie was.  How about page?....a true top 5 guitarist doesn't get overshadowed by anyone.

Holly2003 wrote:

  mike hunt wrote: this is when the thread should end.  The queen stefords who think no one could match freddie as a vocalist, and no one could play the guitar like brian gets the other clowns pissed off. then these other clowns go out of their way too say bands like chicago, rush, genesis, and many other great bands are better than queen.  Are we gonna get anywhere in this thread?......Can we all agree on one thing?....queen were one of the best bands ever,  but not the greatest. 

Maybe the conversations could just continue without you, sInce you can't express yourself without insults, and since you can't follow what's said anyway. Just a thought...

Micrówave wrote: A couple of people mentioned Brian's genius on Good Company, that no one could make the guitar do things like that. Two words:  Robert Fripp

Yara wrote: A project. One day, who knows?, I create my website and make a post about it! ; -)))

Sir GH wrote:

Micrówave wrote: A couple of people mentioned Brian's genius on Good Company, that no one could make the guitar do things like that. Two words:  Robert Fripp

I'll happily be proven wrong.  What song(s) are you referring to?

Saif wrote: Emerson was probably as great a keyboardist/pianist as Freddie.

Saif wrote:

  Sir GH wrote:  

              Micrówave wrote:       A couple of people mentioned Brian's genius on Good Company, that no one could make the guitar do things like that. Two words:  Robert Fripp      

I'll happily be proven wrong.  What song(s) are you referring to?

I don't know what he's talking about but may I be the first one to suggest 21st Century Schizoid Man? On an unrelated note, Epitaph is also a kickass song and is the best song I've ever heard with that title and I've head many good ones(like Judas Priest's Epitaph).

mike hunt wrote: yea, priest are my second favorite band, Only behind Queen.  Shit,  I started listening to priest in the 7th grade.  About 13 years of age. Long time ago, lol.  Epitaph, also the backing vocals sound a bit Queenish.  I remember reading halford was influenced by Early Queen, I think he said Queen2.

Sir GH wrote:

  Saif wrote: Emerson was probably as great a keyboardist/pianist as Freddie.

He's definitely far better than Freddie was.  Keith Emerson is up there with Rick Wakeman.. !

philip storey wrote: The Beatles ! Oh please ! There was no body else around at that time. Queen were /are in competion with hundreds of bands.

Saif wrote: At this metal review website/forum I sometimes hang around - Metal Archives, Queen gets tremendous respect for their  eavier material. They totally fulminated against the suggestion of Adam Lambert joining Queen after American Idol ended. A dude then posted that it would've been majestic and orgasmic had Freddie Mercury and Rob Halford sung a duet together. Some dumbass then quoted him and wrote, "But they would be doing something else if they were together. LMAO". A few  minutes later a mod banned him and wrote, "LIEK OMG JOE AND STEVE AR KISSIN!!! LOLOLOLOL.... BANNED(read the rules dumbass). This type of juvenile humor belongs to the 90's". So, yeah, that Queen is underrated among metalheads is totally absurd because metalheads mostly listen to obscure music and that includes gems like Queen I, Queen II and Sheer Heart Attack. I read the interview you're talking about too. He saw Queen on their first ever tour. He later said on Blabbermouth(a really shitty metal news site) that he had just freshly joined JP and what he heard in concert was stuck in his head for a while and mentioned how he met Freddie Mercury once at some gay bar in Greece but was too shy to walk up to him or something like that. Either that or Freddie didn't acknowledge him, can't really remember, will try to look for the article. He talked about the time he challenged Freddie Mercury to a bike race. Freddie apparently agreed with the condition that Rob do ballet with him.

maxpower wrote:   The Beatles had no competition yeah thats right .... never listened to Pet Sounds? The Rubber Soul (December 65) - Pet Sounds (released May 66) - Revolver  (August 66) mini competition. Bob Dylan?        Not to mention all the home grown talent which emerged at the same time which they were always competing with especially single wise (when singles mattered i.e. not on an album) The Searchers, The Hollies, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Small Faces, The Troggs, The Who (I've omitted the Mersey sound bands as they all faded after 1963)       They also succeeded in being bigger than Elvis which was the big goal especially in Brian Epstein's eyes.       If you don't like them fine but to be so ignorant annoys me.        No band in history has made such a creative transition from the summer of 1963 with She Loves You to Tomorrow Never Knows in summer 1966.... & yes I include My Fairy King, March of The Black Queen to Bohemian Rhapsody in this argument.       The first band to use backward vocals (Rain) backward guitar (I'm Only Sleeping), first use of feedback on vinyl (I Feel Fine), first use of a volume pedal, (I Need You & Yes It Is both recorded on the same day)   Queen weren't even the greatest band/artist in the 70's which was Queens greatest period. It's personal choice but they're plenty to choose from The Who, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Slade, T-Rex, ACDC, Aerosmith, The Faces, Free/Bad Company, Mott The Hoople, The Ramones, New York Dolls, but to me & again it's personal taste The Clash re-wrote the 1970's          

mike hunt wrote:

maxpower wrote:   The Beatles had no competition yeah thats right .... never listened to Pet Sounds? The Rubber Soul (December 65) - Pet Sounds (released May 66) - Revolver  (August 66) mini competition. Bob Dylan?   Not to mention all the home grown talent which emerged at the same time which they were always competing with especially single wise (when singles mattered i.e. not on an album) The Searchers, The Hollies, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Small Faces, The Troggs, The Who (I've omitted the Mersey sound bands as they all faded after 1963)  They also succeeded in being bigger than Elvis which was the big goal especially in Brian Epstein's eyes.If you don't like them fine but to be so ignorant annoys me. No band in history has made such a creative transition from the summer of 1963 with She Loves You to Tomorrow Never Knows in summer 1966.... & yes I include My Fairy King, March of The Black Queen to Bohemian Rhapsody in this argument.The first band to use backward vocals (Rain) backward guitar (I'm Only Sleeping), first use of feedback on vinyl (I Feel Fine), first use of a volume pedal, (I Need You & Yes It Is both recorded on the same day)  Queen weren't even the greatest band/artist in the 70's which was Queens greatest period. It's personal choice but they're plenty to choose from The Who, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Slade, T-Rex, ACDC, Aerosmith, The Faces, Free/Bad Company, Mott The Hoople, The Ramones, New York Dolls, but to me & again it's personal taste The Clash re-wrote the 1970's  

Agreed,  but some of those bands simply arn't in Queens league. The new york dolls?....slade?... I understand not being a steford, but at least give Queen their respect.  The faces?......the ramones?....i'll give you the who, obviously zep, aerosmith.  The late 60's/early 70's were the best for rock, so the beatles had the stronger compitition.  The stones, zep, the who,  hendrix, cream.  It's not even close.

Holly2003 wrote: I've always thought Queen's big competitor in the UK during the 1970s was ELO, a fantastic band, into harmonies and orchestration, who would've attracted the same fans as Queen did. Yet you rarely hear them mentioned any more. As far as I know, Queen have never mentioned them either. Maybe they moved in different circles.

Holly2003 wrote: I've always thought Queen's big competitor in the UK during the 1970s was ELO, a fantastic band, into harmonies and orchestration, who would've attracted the same fans as Queen did. Yet you rarely hear them mentioned any more.

Sir GH wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: I've always thought Queen's big competitor in the UK during the 1970s was ELO, a fantastic band, into harmonies and orchestration, who would've attracted the same fans as Queen did. Yet you rarely hear them mentioned any more.

I think that's because ELO's music sounds a lot more dated now, while Queen's has generally stood the test of time. But what a great band ELO were.  Jeff Lynne's writing at his best was nothing short of brilliant.