QueenZone discussion #1195630
Michael Jackson: Overrated entertainer compared to Freddie Mercury
| tay120 13.08.2009 16:37 |
Even though I am a Michael Jackson fan, I feel like he is totally overrated as an entertainer compared to Freddie. Does anyone else agree here. A lot of people have been suggesting that Michael Jackson is "the greatest entertainer of all time." While I agree that he made some really great videos, he is not even in the same league as Freddie as a live performer. I recently saw a Michael Jackson concert, and I simply did not see the level of audience participation that you would see at a Queen concert. Although a lot of people were fainting and falling over during the M.J. concert, the crowd as a whole did not really seem engaged. I also did not hear the crowd singing along much. Furthermore, Michael Jackson is just not in the same league as Freddie when it comes to vocals. Well, I was wondering about why anyone why Michael Jackson seems to get so much credit when there are so many more entertainers who are are clearly better at playing for large audiences. |
| ANAGRAMER 13.08.2009 17:02 |
Hmm.. It all boils down to personal taste in the end FM had the edge in terms of being a frontman but MJ certainly had the edge on the dancefloor ] |
| Holly2003 13.08.2009 17:23 |
The most crowd participation I saw at a concert was at a Bryan Adams show. Conversely, there was relatively little crowd participation at the two Queen shows I saw in Dublin back in 1984. So does that make Adams a bigger "entertainer" than Fred? Maybe. Maybe not. It's not something I lose much sleep over. I've had a great time at all sorts of shows -- Barry Manilow, Status Quo, Magnum, Pearl Jam, irish folk bands, classical concerts, etc. It might surprise some fans to know but Fred wasn't the greatest singer ever, John wasn't the greatest bass player ever, Roger isn't the greatest drummer ever, and Brian isn't the greatest guitarist ever. So stop worrying about who's the greatest and just enjoy the music. |
| david (galashiels) 13.08.2009 18:41 |
2 diffrent types of entertainment i think. pop/disco/black.. versus ..glam/rock/opera/etc. so 2 diffrent audiances. jackson was more a girly fan base. mercury more a mans singer. both had there good points as to how to put on a show,but i thing freddie would win it. jackson overrated???,i dont know multi million seller, as was fred. if you asked this in a jackson bassed fan room he would win. here freddie wins. as for me.hell freddie of course.but,i am not a girl who likes someone clasping there crotch with a glove on my hand lol. |
| Micrówave 13.08.2009 20:33 |
Yeah. You bet. You must miss Earth. |
| i-Fred 13.08.2009 22:01 |
I think you could also ask who was the better Musician ..... I would cleary say Freddie.... By Far,..... By Light years.... Freddies studio work, all in all........ ..much better.... and MJ had some great work... so that says somethign |
| brians wig 14.08.2009 03:44 |
It's all a matter of taste, but Freddie DID hold a crowd better than Jacko ever did. Second only to Freddie is Dee Snider. He's also one hell of a frontman! |
| thomasquinn 32989 14.08.2009 06:24 |
I consider Jackson as, primarily, a dancer. His music I find thoroughly dull. |
| Vali 14.08.2009 07:29 |
Wouldn't it have been great seeing Freddie flying off stage? :-) "oh dear, tell me, I only have to push this button and fly way? What? a stunt double doing it instead of me, as Jacko does? no way, I'll do it myself!" |
| pittrek 14.08.2009 08:08 |
Another "Who has bigger balls" thread ? I don't like Michael Jackson's music, but I think he has done the most fantastic videos I have ever seen. I love Queen's music but I think that ALL their videos suck |
| masterstroke_84 14.08.2009 08:45 |
ALL their videos sucked? you don't have an idea of what you're talking about man... |
| pittrek 14.08.2009 08:53 |
masterstroke_84 wrote: ALL their videos sucked? you don't have an idea of what you're talking about man... That's just my personal opinion of course. Well the only Queen video I honestly like is I Want To Break Free, that one's at least funny :) |
| Mr.Jingles 14.08.2009 12:16 |
The only thing that kinda made me lose respect for MJ as a performer was that he lip-synched too much. I know it's a common practice when it comes to pop music with heavy dance routines, but actually I prefer to see a performer who sings live, and doesn't dance that much. |
| Lookin' Divine In Good Ol' '89 14.08.2009 21:04 |
Michael Jackson was the only human born a black man that died a white woman. That in istelf is impressive. How did he pull that one off?!? |
| The Real Wizard 16.08.2009 22:38 |
Lookin' Divine In Good Ol' '89 wrote: Michael Jackson was the only human born a black man that died a white woman. That in istelf is impressive. How did he pull that one off?!? Vitiligo and lupus. Learn a bit about the guy and his history before cracking misinformed jokes about him. |
| doxonrox 16.08.2009 22:51 |
pittrek wrote: Another "Who has bigger balls" thread ? I don't like Michael Jackson's music, but I think he has done the most fantastic videos I have ever seen. I love Queen's music but I think that ALL their videos suck For the most part, yeah. But the Innuendo video is a masterwork. |
| mike hunt 17.08.2009 14:01 |
yea, but a lot of pop stars are overated IMO, michael is overated, but not as a dancer. The man could dance, though that style isn't for me. |
| pittrek 18.08.2009 02:23 |
doxonrox wrote:pittrek wrote: Another "Who has bigger balls" thread ? I don't like Michael Jackson's music, but I think he has done the most fantastic videos I have ever seen. I love Queen's music but I think that ALL their videos suckFor the most part, yeah. But the Innuendo video is a masterwork. Most of the pop / rock music videos show the band / performer mime to the album / single audio, they simply pretend they're playing it. It's not only Queen problem, it's a very general problem, that's why I stopped watching music videos regularly cca 10 years ago - I've been once a huge MTV fan. They're simply boring. Innuendo is great, something very interesting and visually impressive. The same goes for Slightly Mad, Bohemian Rhapsody, Break Free and Ga Ga and maybe some other videos which I can't remember right now. But Michael Jackson didn't shoot only "music videos", he shot also "mini movies". Just watch the full versions (e.g. on YouTube) of Black Or White, Ghosts, Thriller, Speed Demon, Remember The Time, Bad ... it's simply a pleasure to watch the stuff (even when I DON'T like the music very much !) That's what I tried to write originally :) |
| john bodega 18.08.2009 03:43 |
To me it's unimportant (at least in the case of Queen) that they happen to be miming. We all know how much they hate videos in the studio... I don't mind a video if it's well filmed. Breakthru, The Miracle and These Are The Days of Our Lives are wonderful looking videos, although I wish that Debbie person wasn't in Breakthru. She's kind of pointless. |
| fmarsong 18.08.2009 08:03 |
What you mean all Queen's Video suck?..This Band was the first Band who introduced to the world the MTV..thru Bo Rhap..youre out of your mind! Queen rules and Freddie Mercury reign the world of music. |
| John Oswald 18.08.2009 14:02 |
Jackson was hit and miss with me musically if I'm honest whereas Queen just seem more consistent in terms of making good tracks imo. As for whether Jackson was overrated or not well it depends on whether you were a hard core fan of him or not doesn't it I suppose ? |
| kdj2hot 01.09.2009 11:29 |
tay120 wrote: Even though I am a Michael Jackson fan, I feel like he is totally overrated as an entertainer compared to Freddie. Does anyone else agree here. A lot of people have been suggesting that Michael Jackson is "the greatest entertainer of all time." While I agree that he made some really great videos, he is not even in the same league as Freddie as a live performer. I recently saw a Michael Jackson concert, and I simply did not see the level of audience participation that you would see at a Queen concert. Although a lot of people were fainting and falling over during the M.J. concert, the crowd as a whole did not really seem engaged. I also did not hear the crowd singing along much. Furthermore, Michael Jackson is just not in the same league as Freddie when it comes to vocals. Well, I was wondering about why anyone why Michael Jackson seems to get so much credit when there are so many more entertainers who are are clearly better at playing for large audiences. Well when i was younger I use to have that mindset, no one was better than freddie, blah, blah, blah. anyway michael jackson was awesome, especially as a child, he was an amazingly gifted singer. his voice was breathtaking. as he got older he evolved his vocals to include lots of influences (included Freddie, maybe if you listened to anyone other thn Queen you'll notice stuff like that) and was a great all around rock, r and b, pop vocalist. His dancing was absolutely genius I love this video (never mind the lipsynching) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5L3KDOzAqc dude could hold a crowd, most were just in awe...that was a silly comment saying michael jackson couldnt hold a crowd like Freddie. I'm overwhelmed at how ridiculous of a statement that was, dude had people fainting at concerts at the site of him. most people were just in awe and wanted to see what he would do next. It was a different than at Queen shows and is like comparing apples to mashed potatos actually. |
| catqueen 01.09.2009 16:05 |
Hmm... is it possible to compare two completely different performers, and two different styles?! I love both, obviously I personally like Queen more or I'd be on an MJ forum. Performance-wise, I don't know, I've only seen one complete MJ concert film, and I wasn't too impressed with the way it filmed, which makes it difficult to judge. I don't, or instance, see what the point of lots of videos of people fainting - was it to show how great he was, or what? I found it distracting. But I loved his performance. I find Freddie mesmerising to watch, but can also watch Michael for ages. Video-wise, its also difficult to compare, they're totally different. I love both, but Michael's were arguably better produced. I mean, look at Scream, you can feel it! (no pun intended) But I love a lot of Queen videos too. I think, if I'm objective and try not to feel too disloyal, I'd have to say that in my opinion Michael Jackson's videos are better, but I watch Queen ones a lot more, and love them more. Btw, did anyone notice the similarity in the children's rooms in Invisible Man and Black or White? Even the triangular thingies on the wall! :) Also, kdj2hot, thanks for the link, thats amazing, I hadn't seen it before! And pittrek, i think the video for Crazy Little Thing is hilarious! The way the girls are smiling! It is so '80s! These days they would NOT be smiling! And the outfits, and the way Brian sticks out his tongue, and the GLASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the smug face on Freddie when his vest is torn! I love it. I don't think its meant to be funny though. |
| Angeline 01.09.2009 16:23 |
My favourite Queen video is Backchat. Man I could not even write that with a straight face. Giant tool anyone? |
| goinback 01.09.2009 19:36 |
Neither entertainer are overrated. |
| Crisstti 06.10.2009 21:50 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: The only thing that kinda made me lose respect for MJ as a performer was that he lip-synched too much. I know it's a common practice when it comes to pop music with heavy dance routines, but actually I prefer to see a performer who sings live, and doesn't dance that much. Michael actually danced and sang live for most of his carreer. He only started to lip synch in the 90's, for health reasons, and the autopsy report shows (a lung problem, I think cronic inflamation). |
| «¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» 06.10.2009 22:49 |
It's like comparing apples and oranges really! |