QueenZone discussion #1195045

Queen On Ice wrote:   I think anyone who expected it to sound like Queen (of old) was always going to be disappointed.   Brian and Roger were 14 years older than when they last worked together, and 40 years older than when they were in Smile. There is bound to be a massive change of approach in that time.   Throw in the new influence of a different collaborator and you will have something that will not sound like traditional Queen.  

  doxonrox wrote: Hmm, I guess I'll be the first... It sucked. If you want to compare it to a Foghat album, it might be OK. But greed insisted on it having the Queen name and being compared to Queen albums. And considering that you have a PHD in Astrophysics as one of the songwriters, how in the hell can the lyrics be so immature and shallow? Do none of these old farts have anything to say? Oh wait, I forgot about I Believe - nevermind. I prefer the "nothing to say" lyrics. TCR is boring. Say what you want about any stage of Queen + Freddie, but they were never boring.

doxonrox wrote: Hmm, I guess I'll be the first... It sucked. If you want to compare it to a Foghat album, it might be OK. But greed insisted on it having the Queen name and being compared to Queen albums. And considering that you have a PHD in Astrophysics as one of the songwriters, how in the hell can the lyrics be so immature and shallow? Do none of these old farts have anything to say? Oh wait, I forgot about I Believe - nevermind. I prefer the "nothing to say" lyrics. TCR is boring. Say what you want about any stage of Queen + Freddie, but they were never boring.

<2>marcio17@queenzone.com wrote: I also think that it grows with that time. For me, is much better than the first months I heard it. It also has a great massive-audience-related tour. Cheers,

lalaalalaa wrote: I find it strange you attack them for writing crap lyrics.  Queen has always had crappy lyrics so why are you guys so suprised?

<2>marcio17@queenzone.com wrote: Definitely not nostalgia...look al the youngsters there. In Argentina, Chile and Brasil at least, people wanted to listen the new tracks from TCR. Look in their local news channels in youtube.

Queen On Ice wrote: I think anyone who expected it to sound like Queen (of old) was always going to be disappointed. Brian and Roger were 14 years older than when they last worked together (on a whole album of new material), and 40 years older than when they were in Smile. There is bound to be a massive change of approach in that time. Throw in the new influence of a different collaborator and you will have something that will not sound like traditional Queen.

Ken8 wrote: Funny, you'd have thought the album sold well the way you're talking about it.

The Fairy King wrote:

Queen On Ice wrote: I think anyone who expected it to sound like Queen (of old) was always going to be disappointed. Brian and Roger were 14 years older than when they last worked together (on a whole album of new material), and 40 years older than when they were in Smile. There is bound to be a massive change of approach in that time. Throw in the new influence of a different collaborator and you will have something that will not sound like traditional Queen.

So Brian finally made that time travel thing working huh?

Sir GH wrote: ...  A new name and adequate marketing would have had given it a supergroup vibe, a la Velvet Revolver or Audioslave, and it probably would have sold far better ...

Vali wrote:

Sir GH wrote: ...  A new name and adequate marketing would have had given it a supergroup vibe, a la Velvet Revolver or Audioslave, and it probably would have sold far better ...

... or Chickenfoot ! I can't agree more with you here, Bob.

Ken8 wrote:

  Vali wrote:  

      Sir GH wrote:   ...  A new name and adequate marketing would have had given it a supergroup vibe, a la Velvet Revolver or Audioslave, and it probably would have sold far better ...  

... or Chickenfoot ! I can't agree more with you here, Bob.

Good point, but "TCR" is not in the same league as "Chickenfoot", "Velvet Revolver" or "Audioslave" "Chickenfoot" is too much fun.  Those guys blew away fears that their album was going to be yet another of those bloated, pretentious, bland and boring "supergroups".......like "Q+PR" The reality is "TCR" would've been marketed and sold better had it been a better album.  Nobody, not even the band had much faith in what they delivered.  Had they, they would've got behind it.

lalaalalaa wrote:

Ken8 wrote:

  Vali wrote:  

      Sir GH wrote:   ...  A new name and adequate marketing would have had given it a supergroup vibe, a la Velvet Revolver or Audioslave, and it probably would have sold far better ...  

... or Chickenfoot ! I can't agree more with you here, Bob.

Good point, but "TCR" is not in the same league as "Chickenfoot", "Velvet Revolver" or "Audioslave" "Chickenfoot" is too much fun.  Those guys blew away fears that their album was going to be yet another of those bloated, pretentious, bland and boring "supergroups".......like "Q+PR" The reality is "TCR" would've been marketed and sold better had it been a better album.  Nobody, not even the band had much faith in what they delivered.  Had they, they would've got behind it.

I like TCR much more than Audioslave and Velvet Revolver.  Not sure about Chickenfoot though.  I'll have to get the album sometime.

Lookin' Divine In Good Ol' '89 wrote: I dont think so. I agree with the others (and I was the first in this thread to say so) that it would have fared much better commercially and critically had it not been marketed as Q+PR. They should have called it Starfleet!!! ^_^

Erin wrote: Going to see Chickenfoot at the Myrtle Beach House of Blues the end of the month.  Should be fun.  Speaking of supergroups....how 'bout Them Crooked Vultures??  Really excited about that one!

  lalaalalaa wrote:  

      Ken8 wrote:      

              Vali wrote:              

                              Sir GH wrote:               ...  A new name and adequate marketing would have had given it a supergroup vibe, a la Velvet Revolver or Audioslave, and it probably would have sold far better ...              

... or Chickenfoot ! I can't agree more with you here, Bob.

Good point, but "TCR" is not in the same league as "Chickenfoot", "Velvet Revolver" or "Audioslave" "Chickenfoot" is too much fun.  Those guys blew away fears that their album was going to be yet another of those bloated, pretentious, bland and boring "supergroups".......like "Q+PR" The reality is "TCR" would've been marketed and sold better had it been a better album.  Nobody, not even the band had much faith in what they delivered.  Had they, they would've got behind it.

I like TCR much more than Audioslave and Velvet Revolver.  Not sure about Chickenfoot though.  I'll have to get the album sometime.

      Yara wrote:   It's actually worse than bad: it's embarassing. Pay attention, close attention to Surf's Up. It's serious stuff. It's way worse than being I don't know how many degrees and being called "Mr. Fahrenheit". The guy is 80 and all he can do is give you these lyrics?   Delilah alone is better than the whole album. There was some dignity to Delilah. The guy actually composed a song for the kitten he loved and managed to make it sound as if she were singing it. I came to appreciate Delilah's concept over time.   But The Cosmos Rock will forever tarnish Queen's beautiful and important legacy.   

Erin wrote: ....how 'bout Them Crooked Vultures??  Really excited about that one!

  Vali wrote:  

      Erin wrote:   ....how 'bout Them Crooked Vultures??  Really excited about that one!  

Wow wow wow !!! Didn't know about them ! Josh Homme, Grohl and John Paul Jones ?? can't wait ....

Vali wrote:

              Yara wrote:       It's actually worse than bad: it's embarassing. Pay attention, close attention to Surf's Up. It's serious stuff. It's way worse than being I don't know how many degrees and being called "Mr. Fahrenheit". The guy is 80 and all he can do is give you these lyrics?   Delilah alone is better than the whole album. There was some dignity to Delilah. The guy actually composed a song for the kitten he loved and managed to make it sound as if she were singing it. I came to appreciate Delilah's concept over time.   But The Cosmos Rock will forever tarnish Queen's beautiful and important legacy.       

Hi Yara, nice to read you again :) All oppinions are respected, of course. And I understand there's a lot of people giving much importance to the lyrics. Surf's Up annoys you; I, musically, can't stop enjoying it. I'm on the side of those don't giving relevance to the use of the name "Queen" in TCR. My reaction would have been the same if they called themselves "Potato+Paul Rodgers". Music is what matters to me. And I like the music delivered in TCR, wich doesn't belong to "Queen's beautiful and important legacy", as the Queen I leant to love since I was 8 years old in 1984 ended with MIH. The rest, NOBY included, is "of course another story", although labelled as Queen too, fact that I don't really care. ps: I love Delilah, too !!

Yara wrote:....I expected more not really from "Queen", but from these great musicians: Paul, Brian and Roger.

Lookin' Divine In Good Ol' '89 wrote: Chickenfoot kicks ass. Satriani, Chad Smith, Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony? Come on. Hope they work more in the future like Zeppelin did or unlike QPR!

Yara wrote: It's actually worse than bad: it's embarassing. Pay attention, close attention to Surf's Up. It's serious stuff. It's way worse than being I don't know how many degrees and being called "Mr. Fahrenheit". The guy is 80 and all he can do is give you these lyrics?   Delilah alone is better than the whole album. There was some dignity to Delilah. The guy actually composed a song for the kitten he loved and managed to make it sound as if she were singing it. I came to appreciate Delilah's concept over time.   But The Cosmos Rock will forever tarnish Queen's beautiful and important legacy. 

sbrown wrote:

  Ken8 wrote: Funny, you'd have thought the album sold well the way you're talking about it.

Is half a million sales bad? I'm not quite sure any more.

Mr Mercury wrote:

sbrown wrote:

  Ken8 wrote: Funny, you'd have thought the album sold well the way you're talking about it.

Is half a million sales bad? I'm not quite sure any more.

It is when you consider that illegal downloading definetely does affect sales these days.

Zebonka12 wrote: It's not really that bad.  It's just not really very good, and people don't know how to take that when they've been spoiled with great stuff in the past. Queen catalogue though, we could make 1 or even 2 albums that are worse than TCR.  Easy.  

QueenPaulo wrote: if john played with "HALF QUEEN+PR", the fans would liked more it... the shows, cd's, musics, general!!

Zebonka12 wrote: Mmm... true.  Maybe 2 albums is a stretch.  I still think I could find at least one mid-length album of worse stuff.  Having said that, I don't know if I could find anything that was as 'meh' or middle-of-the-road.

Cincinnati Bow Tie wrote: TCR desperately misses a good bass player...even Danny Miranda would have added quite a bit to the songs.  I don't think that the casual fan realizes what John Deacon added to the Queen sound.  He is, IMO, one of hte best bass players in rock, he was a huge part of the "Queen" sound, and, without his bass lines, the majority of the record simply falls flat.

Lookin' Divine In Good Ol' '89 wrote: I thought the song The Cosmos Rocks, when used as an opener, reminded me a bit of Let Me Entertain You. Compare "We Got The Whole World Rockin'!..." to the verses in LMEY. I think it sounds a little bit alike. I can actually hear Freddie singing TCR and it sounding better already.

Zebonka12 wrote: Mmm... true.  Maybe 2 albums is a stretch.  I still think I could find at least one mid-length album of worse stuff.  Having said that, I don't know if I could find anything that was as 'meh' or middle-of-the-road.

      Lookin' Divine In Good Ol' '89 wrote:   Oh definitely not!!! LMEY is more of a song than TCR will ever be! "I'll pull you, I'll pill You. Ill Cruella-Deville You. To Thrill You Ill Use Any Device." Greatest lyrics ive ever heard. Blatant sexual Innuendo 25 years ahead of its time!  

doxonrox wrote: 1. Party/Khashoggi's Ship 2. Sweet Lady 5. Misfire 7. If You Can't Beat Them 12. All God's People 14. You Don't Fool Me

Zebonka12 wrote:

  Cincinnati Bow Tie wrote: TCR desperately misses a good bass player...even Danny Miranda would have added quite a bit to the songs.  I don't think that the casual fan realizes what John Deacon added to the Queen sound.  He is, IMO, one of hte best bass players in rock, he was a huge part of the "Queen" sound, and, without his bass lines, the majority of the record simply falls flat.

      Indeed.  I've said it before, but the nearest thing (to my ears anyway) to old-Queen on TCR was "Some Things That Glitter".  I suppose it's a less textured and less passionate sounding version of something like "Save Me".  And what was one of the big differences?  The bass track!

Sir GH wrote:

      doxonrox wrote:   1. Party/Khashoggi's Ship 2. Sweet Lady 5. Misfire 7. If You Can't Beat Them 12. All God's People 14. You Don't Fool Me  

Interesting list for Queen's worst.  The few tracks I highlighted are pretty strong tracks in my books.

Lookin' Divine In Good Ol' '89 wrote: You say Mike, that TCR makes Hot Space look brilliant. Well it always was![img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img]

Lookin' Divine In Good Ol' '89 wrote: They should have teamed up with Jimmy Page and Jonh Paul Jones. Now That is something I would pay to go see! Q+LZ!!!! (Queen+Led Zeppelin). They could also calll the band "Half+Half". Cuz it would be half of each band![img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]

mike hunt wrote: I feel sorry for these poor souls that think metallica are still great. The band hasn't put out a good album since the 80's. Poor wannabe young metal heads.

Zebonka12 wrote: Hahah...  worst defence I've ever heard.  "They have a guitar heroooooooo".

Zebonka12 wrote: Hahah...  worst defence I've ever heard.  "They have a guitar heroooooooo".

QueenPaulo wrote:

  Zebonka12 wrote: Hahah...  worst defence I've ever heard.  "They have a guitar heroooooooo".

i want i Queen guitar hero ;D kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Lookin' Divine In Good Ol' '89 wrote: Indeed it was. Kids need to get off their asses and learn real instruments. I only like Guitar Hero/Rock Band because the introduce kids to good music instead of the shit on the radio today. "All We Hear Is Radio Ga Ga..."

mike hunt wrote: I feel sorry for these poor souls that think metallica are still great. The band hasn't put out a good album since the 80's. Poor wannabe young metal heads.

mike hunt wrote: Wow, metallica has a guitar hero?.....I'm not talking about Queen anyway.  I'm talking about these young wannabe boys who think metallica are still cool.  You are the people who need a lesson about what real thrash metal is about. Check out early slayer, exodus, the first 3 metallica albums. The first three anthrax, agnostic front.  You little boys think metallica is still cool?...come on now!...they suck.  Why arn't Queen on guitar hero?....Who cares.

pittrek wrote:

  mike hunt wrote: Wow, metallica has a guitar hero?.....I'm not talking about Queen anyway.  I'm talking about these young wannabe boys who think metallica are still cool.  You are the people who need a lesson about what real thrash metal is about. Check out early slayer, exodus, the first 3 metallica albums. The first three anthrax, agnostic front.  You little boys think metallica is still cool?...come on now!...they suck.  Why arn't Queen on guitar hero?....Who cares.

I'm not sure if you're talking to me, probably not because I'm not a "young wannabe boy" nor a "little boy" or a person "who need(s) a lesson about what real thrasth metal is about" and I don't think that "metallica are still cool", but I feel like answering ;) If you seriously think that Metallica sucks, did you actually hear the last album ? It's the best thing they've done since Justice. Actually sounds like "...And Justice For All vol. 2". Every Metallica album is fantastic, about how many bands (excluding Queen and The Beatles) can we say that  ? Every Metallica album is different, but still great. The first Metallica album is slightly worse, but Lightning, Puppets and Justice are albums which should be heard by every person on this planet at least once in his life :-)

lalaalalaa wrote:

  pittrek wrote:  

      mike hunt wrote:   Wow, metallica has a guitar hero?.....I'm not talking about Queen anyway.  I'm talking about these young wannabe boys who think metallica are still cool.  You are the people who need a lesson about what real thrash metal is about. Check out early slayer, exodus, the first 3 metallica albums. The first three anthrax, agnostic front.  You little boys think metallica is still cool?...come on now!...they suck.  Why arn't Queen on guitar hero?....Who cares.  

I'm not sure if you're talking to me, probably not because I'm not a "young wannabe boy" nor a "little boy" or a person "who need(s) a lesson about what real thrasth metal is about" and I don't think that "metallica are still cool", but I feel like answering ;) If you seriously think that Metallica sucks, did you actually hear the last album ? It's the best thing they've done since Justice. Actually sounds like "...And Justice For All vol. 2". Every Metallica album is fantastic, about how many bands (excluding Queen and The Beatles) can we say that  ? Every Metallica album is different, but still great. The first Metallica album is slightly worse, but Lightning, Puppets and Justice are albums which should be heard by every person on this planet at least once in his life :-)

I love Kill Em All!  It's my second favorite Metallica album.  Ride The Lightning is the best IMO Master of Puppets is very overrated in my opinion.  It is a very boring album.  I dose off every time I listen to it.  The first two tracks are great, but after that...... As for Load and Reload:  They're alright.  A few good songs but overall not that great.  There are some good tracks like King Nothing, Low Man's Lyric, and Prince Charming. St. Anger, in a word, is trash (again, just my opinion)  Annoying trash can drums XPXPXPXP I don't listen to AJFA much but the Black album is also a pretty solid album.  After the Black album it went downhill Death Magnetic gets better and better every time I listen to it, but James' voice has gotten worse than it ever has.  As for Megadeth, I love all their albums :)