MmP 28.07.2009 00:47 |
I wanted to read some opinions among Queen fans. I think probably Freddie's best solo work musically. |
mike hunt 28.07.2009 03:40 |
Barcelona was the best thing freddie did since A day at the races IMO, and isn't far behind My favorite queen albums. All the brilliance is there, every song is a gem. The only queen solo project that's stands the test of time. Mike moran deserves a mention, he was a big part of the writing and gave freddie the motivation too keep pushing forward. Remember, freddie was considered past his creative peak before barcelona was released. All a sudden this gem comes out, and then a few years later we get another gem Innuendo. I wish the album was a little longer, and would have been nice to hear what a barcelona2 would have sounded like. |
Vali 28.07.2009 05:12 |
Totally agree with Mike here. It's always a pleasure listening to this album. But I don't like abusing, just listen to it once or twice a year. I love every song, but La Japonaise has always been much special, as well as How Can I Go On. |
believe in yourself 45455 28.07.2009 05:47 |
Guide Me Home/How Can I Go On are my favourite songs on the album. The fact that Overture Piccante was used as a filler could mean that there were no good songs left. A shame that there were only real classical instruments used on Barcelona-the song. By using a real orchestra the album would sound much more as an operatic/classical album and less as a pop-album. It ended up as something inbetween so neither the 'serious' opera lovers nor the pop/rock fans liked it. In the past a few operatic singers tried to re-preduce the whole album (or a few songs). None of them came even close to Freddie's performance! |
maxpower 28.07.2009 05:59 |
I always been of the thought it would have been better with just Freddie's vocals on, sometimes Montserrat's voice cuts right through me but maybe that's just my lack of passion for real opera. It is musically the best solo effort by Freddie but I think it's unfair to compare it to Back To The Light which to me is closest to the Queen sound of any solo album by any member |
Borhap80 28.07.2009 06:01 |
I sincerely love this album, and I agree that Mika Moran did a marvellous job by both playing and taking part in the creative process as well, in terms of writing, arranging and producing. He was Fred's musical wingman at the time without a doubt. As for the album production, I will argue that I think the orcestral parts done by syntheziser was intended that way. He didn't hire a symphony orchestra even though he had the money. Some may say it was lack of time, even so; I think he did it to do exactly what was earlier mentioned - to disturb and to challenge authenticity, genrelines and correctness in music. The "synth" orchestra gives the production an over the top and too much factor so that it becomes camp. Freddie wanted it to be camp and theatrical. I think it was intended, but that's my opinion. |
Simon Brown 28.07.2009 06:13 |
Hiya, yeah, the lack of a real orchestra was a shame. However, the album is amazing, and there are some of Freddies finest songs on there. As a songwriter, this album really showcased his talent in a way that had been missing since the 70s. The moving from genre to genre (pop, gospel, classical, musical etc) was very well done, and I agree a lot of this was probably down to Mike Moran. All God's People was a great legacy of this project, and gave a great lift to Innuendo. Simon |
Borhap80 28.07.2009 06:16 |
As for Montserrat's voice: She is a living legend both now and when the album was recorded. Freddie adored both her and her singing voice. I remember I played some parts from the album to my vocal teacher who primarily teaches in classical and operatic music. She smiled, not in arrogant way, but said to me, anknowledging Caballe for who she was, but my teacher also mentioned that she could hear that her voice was aging. She was not the singer she used to be. I think it has to with time as well. We listen nowadays and we've heard a lot of music since 1987, and gained more knowledge tools how to understand and analyze music. Enough babbling... I understand what you're saying and to some degree I agree with you, but I think this album and process was probably Freddie's most fullfilling and proudest moment as an musician, even conquering his best Queen moments. |
pepi 28.07.2009 07:18 |
Barcelona album is one of the greatest albums ever-a very unique,and most beloved album for me-especially ''How can i go on",Barcelona".Ensueno"and the ''Fallen priest"traks-it's made me shiver..Great |
pittrek 28.07.2009 07:35 |
MmP wrote: I wanted to read some opinions among Queen fans. I think probably Freddie's best solo work musically. I don't consider it Freddie's solo work, but a "collaboration album" (similar to the "Queen + Paul Rodgers" project). But it includes some of the best works of Freddie, he didn't write such complex songs since the 70's. It's definitely not "radio-friendly" (except of the title track, of course), but it's great to hear that Freddie still knew how to write a masterpiece, after the pretty boring "Mr. Bad Guy" album |
pittrek 28.07.2009 07:36 |
Thomas Tønnesen wrote: I sincerely love this album, and I agree that MIKA Moran did a marvellous job by both playing and taking part in the creative process as well, in terms of writing, arranging and producing. He was Fred's musical wingman at the time without a doubt. Grrrrr. Don't put MIKA into it :-) |
Sunshine 28.07.2009 08:55 |
It is a true brilliant album. The production, songwriting and of course the performances. Mike Moran got the best out of Freddie and you can here the album is made with love for music. It is just incredible to hear Montserrat singing....and then Freddie's voice is melting so nicely together with here.. Angels giving kisses in your ears...! |
Borhap80 28.07.2009 09:30 |
I'm sorry I put Mika into it ;) |
Micrówave 28.07.2009 11:39 |
Geez, you would think that this was the greatest Opera record ever. I disagree. Freddie sounds great, but I've never been a real Montserrat fan. Give me Maria Callas... or maybe another tenor. At some points she sounds like she's just wailing to make noise. It really takes away from Freddie's performance at some points. I'm sure since Fred was new to this genre, he was on his best behaviour in the studio, but I would have taken her out of the mix at a few points. Plus, it never really gave either a chance to shine on their own. If Montserrat wanted to sing so much, how come there wasn't a solo piece on there? There should have been a track for each on that album where the other was not on it at all. If this was intended to be an opera album, where was the continuity? Where was the emotion? There was no tragedy or climatic event, as most operas have. I think even the WWRY show has a story line (if you can stay awake). Finally, Mike Moran? Huh? Maybe this album seemed a little tame because his input and playing were priority one. I think Big F could've played a lot of the material himself and maybe even livened it up a bit. Is that a word? Livened? I think we could have moved away from the Verse/Chorus/Verse/Chorus style as well... this was not supposed to be a Rock album, Mike. Bottom line, the only thing I really enjoyed about this album was Freddie. Can't say I've listened to it in the last 3-4 years or so. |
PauloPanucci 28.07.2009 12:53 |
Micrówave wrote: Geez, you would think that this was the greatest Opera record ever. I disagree. Freddie sounds great, but I've never been a real Montserrat fan. Give me Maria Callas... or maybe another tenor. At some points she sounds like she's just wailing to make noise. It really takes away from Freddie's performance at some points. I'm sure since Fred was new to this genre, he was on his best behaviour in the studio, but I would have taken her out of the mix at a few points. Plus, it never really gave either a chance to shine on their own. If Montserrat wanted to sing so much, how come there wasn't a solo piece on there? There should have been a track for each on that album where the other was not on it at all. If this was intended to be an opera album, where was the continuity? Where was the emotion? There was no tragedy or climatic event, as most operas have. I think even the WWRY show has a story line (if you can stay awake). Finally, Mike Moran? Huh? Maybe this album seemed a little tame because his input and playing were priority one. I think Big F could've played a lot of the material himself and maybe even livened it up a bit. Is that a word? Livened? I think we could have moved away from the Verse/Chorus/Verse/Chorus style as well... this was not supposed to be a Rock album, Mike. Bottom line, the only thing I really enjoyed about this album was Freddie. Can't say I've listened to it in the last 3-4 years or so. I don't like so much about Montserrat. i just have the Cd because Freddie sing in! |
MmP 28.07.2009 13:27 |
La japaneise it's a masterpice. It has so many chage of pace, and it sounds very peaceful, it' great. How can I go on it's another one that I really like, can it be related to the fact that Freddie had just found out about aids? |
John Oswald 28.07.2009 13:50 |
I like it I mean I do listen to a bit of opera now and then so Montserrat's voice doesn't bother me too much of course the highlight is Barcelona though |
brians wig 28.07.2009 14:11 |
Absolutely loved it since the day it came out! It's such a shame that it wasn't a longer album. Freddie obviously struggles a bit on some of the notes and I can't help wondering If only Fred didn't smoke, his voice would have been even better. |
Sebastian 28.07.2009 15:10 |
A masterpiece |
princetom 28.07.2009 23:51 |
I love the intro of barcelona, when the fat lady is faded in...it's quite a queen moment, as freddie delivers the whole package of the deal... productionwise. yes, it's a very nice album, indeed. |
mike hunt 29.07.2009 01:40 |
It's nice hearing an album that freddie wasn't trying too write a bunch of top 40 hits. Reminds me of the young freddie who wrote the stuff on Queen2 and so on. |
djcamper 29.07.2009 05:20 |
Btw, what do you think about how it influenced the later queen albums? All God's People is obivius, but I also saw many people think what it influenced Miracle album a lot. And on that album I found only Was It All Worth It reminiscent of Barcelona. Operatic intro, ringing synths reminds of Barcelona,and orchestra break show solid link. |
Martin Packer 29.07.2009 05:43 |
Personally I didn't much like Barcelona. But I appreciate what he was trying to do... Make music with someone he greatly admired in another genre. I'm more comfortable, though, with the more "poppy" stuff on Barcelona. Martin |
PauloPanucci 29.07.2009 13:11 |
I liked...(Freddie's part)... it's nice to stay listening... it was Freddie's dream, sing Opera.. so he dedicated himself and stay a good album. Montserrat sing well.. so mix the voices and make a good album! |
mvdk 31.07.2009 16:56 |
I can't agree with Thomas about his thinking about the production. I think that with the use of a real orchestra the theatrical touch would be much bigger. Well, Brian himself said some things about the album with live orchestra: 2006: "There are of course many other tracks here which were much more carefully created ..... the fabulous Barcelona for instance .... so wonderfully sung. I just have a terrible hankering to hear it with REAL orchestra one day ... who knows ! But My God the Man could Sing !!!" Maybe this is something that will see the light of te day? |
mike hunt 31.07.2009 17:20 |
mvdk wrote: I can't agree with Thomas about his thinking about the production. I think that with the use of a real orchestra the theatrical touch would be much bigger. Well, Brian himself said some things about the album with live orchestra: 2006: "There are of course many other tracks here which were much more carefully created ..... the fabulous Barcelona for instance .... so wonderfully sung. I just have a terrible hankering to hear it with REAL orchestra one day ... who knows ! But My God the Man could Sing !!!" Maybe this is something that will see the light of te day? thanks for that, never seen that brian post. If brian makes this happen I'll be a happy man. He'll be my hero for sure. |
bhm0129ad 04.08.2009 21:13 |
Barcalona is just one of the best and most original albums ever in my opinion. I am no opera fan, even now, but Montserrat's contributions to the album help to really make it. I realise that it would have been so much better with real instrumenation and orchestration, but the fact that it is what it is without all that shows just how great an album it truly is. I would love to see the songs used as the backdrop for a stage show - an opera if you like :) |
Borhap80 05.08.2009 02:57 |
mvdk wrote: "I can't agree with Thomas about his thinking about the production. I think that with the use of a real orchestra the theatrical touch would be much bigger." My point is that I think the choice of synth orchestra was deliberate; to make it stand out, to be un-authentic in terms of classical musics' rules and restrictions and to sound some ways artificial. Just my opinion. This doesn't mean that I would not like a real symphony orchestra to play the instrumental parts. It would be incredible to hear the songs and the album with Freddie's voice in accompanion. Maybe some day. But at the time I think it was a decision not to, but I may be mistaken. Maybe it was time, maybe it was money? Maybe we should ask Mike Moran :) |
thomasquinn 32989 05.08.2009 06:29 |
Thomas Tønnesen wrote: mvdk wrote: "I can't agree with Thomas about his thinking about the production. I think that with the use of a real orchestra the theatrical touch would be much bigger." My point is that I think the choice of synth orchestra was deliberate; to make it stand out, to be un-authentic in terms of classical musics' rules and restrictions and to sound some ways artificial. Just my opinion. This doesn't mean that I would not like a real symphony orchestra to play the instrumental parts. It would be incredible to hear the songs and the album with Freddie's voice in accompanion. Maybe some day. But at the time I think it was a decision not to, but I may be mistaken. Maybe it was time, maybe it was money? Maybe we should ask Mike Moran :) According to an interview of which a piece was printed in, I think, the Freddie Box Set, Mike begged Freddie to use a real orchestra, but Freddie insisted on using synths because "you just don't have that kind of control over a real orchestra". |
andreas_mercury 05.08.2009 12:01 |
great album really but LOL .... someone would have told Monserrat to stop dancing during the live videos they did. she looks to be a giggling fat beach ball! stupid fat bitch can't dance!!!!! lave the moves to freddie. |
doxonrox 05.08.2009 22:04 |
andreas_mercury wrote: great album reallybut LOL .... someone would have told Monserrat to stop dancing during the live videos they did. she looks to be a giggling fat beach ball! stupid fat bitch can't dance!!!!! lave the moves to freddie. I'm sure your kidding, but let's be honest. Freddie may be one of the worst dancers in history. Everything is overblown and lacking any real rhythym - hey, that sounds like Hot Space! Neither will be remembered for their dancing skills. This album was about singing, and it was a gift. The music is not for everyone, but everyone that As far as the "stupid fat bitch" remark, your comment alone unveils your ignorance and your shallowness. In other words from someone with an triple digit IQ, go crawl in a hole and STFU. |
andreas_mercury 06.08.2009 00:23 |
oh come on!! it was funny i dont really think she is stupid ....... she was nice enough to sign something for me to one time! but she DOES come across to be a stupid fatty in that video, its bad when she tries to move .. too much like that boulder in Indiana joans!!! look out Indy, opera singer coming!!!! AAAAH!!! get into a fridge, quick!! LOL! freddie was a great dancer though even. watch Great pretender video he is great |
thomasquinn 32989 06.08.2009 07:17 |
andreas_mercury wrote: oh come on!! it was funny i dont really think she is stupid ....... she was nice enough to sign something for me to one time! but she DOES come across to be a stupid fatty in that video, its bad when she tries to move .. too much like that boulder in Indiana joans!!! look out Indy, opera singer coming!!!! AAAAH!!! get into a fridge, quick!! LOL! freddie was a great dancer though even. watch Great pretender video he is great Are you currently high on something, by any chance? |
Sebastian 06.08.2009 09:21 |
Only stupidity |
Markman38 06.08.2009 09:39 |
It's just a great album I remember I was thrilled when I heard it the first time it was just out in the shops. I played it over and over again. It was in those days more Queen to me than The Works and A Kind of Magic. I sometimes wonder how the Fallen Priest does sound if it was a Queen song, I think it would have been perfect on ANATO or Innuendo. |
The Real Wizard 06.08.2009 10:11 |
I absolutely love side A. It's amongst the most creative and well-executed of Freddie's work. But side B is far inferior in my eyes. Adding a diva to those 2 pop songs and a gospel song just doesn't work for me (although the latter is still a great song in itself), and the last track is more or less a mish-mash that padded it out. |
andreas_mercury 06.08.2009 11:56 |
Sebastian wrote: Only stupidityfor saying freddie was a great dancer???? go back to your aeolian cadences !!!!! |
The Real Wizard 06.08.2009 12:30 |
andreas_mercury wrote:No, probably for this kind of comment:Sebastian wrote: Only stupidityfor saying freddie was a great dancer???? but she DOES come across to be a stupid fatty in that video, its bad when she tries to move .. too much like that boulder in Indiana joans!!! |
mike hunt 07.08.2009 09:16 |
Sir GH wrote: I absolutely love side A. It's amongst the most creative and well-executed of Freddie's work. But side B is far inferior in my eyes. Adding a diva to those 2 pop songs and a gospel song just doesn't work for me (although the latter is still a great song in itself), and the last track is more or less a mish-mash that padded it out. I agree about side A, but disagree about side b. Guide me home and how can I go on is among the best freddie songs ever. Probably my favorite on that album. The golden boy is awsome, but she does sound a bit off at times I must admit. |
The Real Wizard 07.08.2009 11:06 |
mike hunt wrote: I agree about side A, but disagree about side b. Guide me home and how can I go on is among the best freddie songs ever. Probably my favorite on that album. I love the songs too... I just don't love her being part of the songs. |
Rick 07.08.2009 11:09 |
I absolutely love the fade out of How Can I Go On, especially Freddie's "yeah yeah yeah". |
bhm0129ad 07.08.2009 11:21 |
Rick wrote: I absolutely love the fade out of How Can I Go On, especially Freddie's "yeah yeah yeah". Agree completely. Magnificent song and that fade out leaves you wanting much much more. |
mike hunt 07.08.2009 11:56 |
Just curious how the freddie box set versions are?...the versions with Just freddie singing. |
andreas_mercury 07.08.2009 14:20 |
Sir GH wrote: No, probably for this kind of comment:sorry i realize it is Jones now.but she DOES come across to be a stupid fatty in that video, its bad when she tries to move .. too much like that boulder in Indiana joans!!! |