Togg 15.06.2009 04:18 |
In the latest fan club mag issue Roger confirms that he and Brian have discussed "going out on tour together" in 2010...watch this space...nother defined yet but sounds like it will just be the two of them as 'Queen' and then I guess the usual backing guys? Looking forward to it already!!!!! |
Benn 15.06.2009 04:44 |
This would be a disaster if it were to happen. It'd be like one of those awful SAS gigs - kind of a Queen Karaoke show where, rather than hear it for free at your local pub, you have to fork out £30-£50 per ticket for the privillege. |
Togg 15.06.2009 05:00 |
"One of those awful SAS gigs" What...I have been to several and they are great Sorry but I just don't get why people say they like the band, they like the music but don't like when they play live or release a new album. Fred anit coming back but I guess some folk feel he was the only reason to follow Queen? Not me, I still think they work well together. Roger is a pretty unique singer and could / does a great job on the tracks he sings, Brian has a weaker voice but on many of his songs it works just fine. This could be a chance to hear some of the lesser known tracks Tenement Funster perhaps? Why would this be a disaster? |
david (galashiels) 15.06.2009 06:28 |
another tour.great.where can i buy tickets lol. |
FriedChicken 15.06.2009 06:51 |
I think many people haven't forgotten those awful gigs they did from 2000-2004. Almost all the gigs they did were with 1 extra drummer, female backing singers and too many guest vocalists. I didn't think much of those gigs, when you look at the half an hour set they did at the first 46664 gig, the only cool performance, in my opinion, was The Call. Because it didn't feature other singers. It would really be great seeing Brian and Roger together as Queen, but I'm afraid they will think that they can't do a 2,5 hour show on their own, so they have to use extra vocalists. I'm afraid all the magic of the Queen + Paul Rodgers shows will be gone, In my opinion the 2000-2004 shows with guests always sounded like some pubband playing Queensongs. |
blackshuck03 15.06.2009 07:26 |
Maybe it will be a double solo set with roger doing one half then brian doing the other. they both have good bands when touring previously |
Togg 15.06.2009 08:01 |
No word on what form they will take as yet but from my point of view I would be interested to see a mixture of Queen's back cat sung by either of them plus others, so if they chose to bring along other vocalists I would have no problem Thing is I like 'live' shows ranging from all types of music, so I go to Rock, Soul, Country, Classical, pop, I just like music, and when it comes to rock, Queen or members of is my focal point, so whatever they decide to do I will go and hopefully enjoy it, I am not hung up on the It's not Queen or it was better before stuff, because I saw it, and that was then and this is now, nothing can take that away so whatever they do now I treat as something new to experience. Rogers stuff with The Cross and his early solo shows were bloody rough, watching him in a shed in guildford was great, the sound was awful the lights were two bulbs and a sparkler, but it was live and there was energy, lots of energy. I am always happy to see them do there stuff, I love hearing the power of them together in whatever form |
4 x Vision 15.06.2009 08:23 |
I think this would be great. The highlights for QPR were just the two of them on stage. I'd like to see them do smaller sized gigs though, maybe cut the length of the show and as said above... throw a few wildcard numbers in. I loved seeing them with Paul R, but he did look like he was going through the motions in the last tour whereas Bri and Rog seemed to be bloody lovin it. They have improved HUGELY since the 2000-2004 period and remember that they weren't touring regularly at that point... it was just a bunch of one off gigs. Don't you think they'd prepare a bit better for a full tour than they did for those gigs??? |
onevsion 15.06.2009 08:26 |
Here's hoping: Small venues, including Bri's + Rog's solo tracks... Bring it on! |
Vali 15.06.2009 09:38 |
Ducksoup wrote: Here's hoping: Small venues, including Bri's + Rog's solo tracks... Bring it on! Seconding that ! and no guest singers, please ! |
argQ 15.06.2009 09:54 |
I wouldn't close the Q+PR chapter yet. Beyond some Paul's words in the press, there wasn't any official annoucement about the end of colaboration. Maybe they will be back next year, why not? |
Micrówave 15.06.2009 11:56 |
I will WATCH THIS SPACE until then. |
Cwazy little thing 15.06.2009 13:34 |
I remain dubious and suspicious of any talk of guest singers, but I think in theory, if they were to adopt a low key approach, this could work with the two of them sharing vocals. Im sure stuff like BoRap would remain a Freddie tape regardless. Neither of them have the voices they once had - Roger drumming and singing is a bit too breathless for my tastes, and Brian has always struggled to give a brilliant singing performance while playing brilliantly, and his voice tends to give out on him quite quickly, but maybe with some good rehearsal and proper vocal warm ups pre-show they can work through it. If the set wasnt a greatest hits set per se, but included some more interesting choices it could be awesome. They could roll out some of the album track gems like White Queen and really play stuff which would only attract fans who own the albums and not just the Platinum Collection. They might have to accept a drop down to theatre size, but I cant see it working as an arena tour anyway. I'll watch with interest anyway to see how this goes - I think its cool they seem to be keen to continue to work together again. |
Pim Derks 15.06.2009 15:02 |
I'd love to see Brian and Roger do this - but I just hope they'll focus on Queenfans, and not Joe Public who has Greatest Hits 1 and 2 who thinks that Mamma Mia is a song by Queen. If they go out and play basically the same tracks as they did with Paul no-one is going home satisfied (unless Brian suddenly can pull of I Want It All or Tie Your Mother Down - which I seriously doubt). If they decide to go for small arenas (4000-5000 people max?) AND put in some serious rehearsaltime I'm convinced this could be a great thing. I can't even imagine how great it would be to see Brian and Roger doing stuff like Tenement Funster, Long Away and other forgotten gems. But I seriously doubt that Brian will do this. I can't imagine him pulling out A Day At The Races from the shelf and learning the lyrics to Long Away. From the rumours regarding the last tour it seems he's happy playing the same old setlist every night without any rehearsing or creativity. I don't blame him - he's been more creative in his entire life than most of us would be in 10 lifetimes and I can imagine him wanting to spend his time doing other things than writing and performing music. But if they decide to go ahead and tour together - I hope Brian will put his heart into it and not make a half-arsed effort like he apparently did with TCR and it's following tour. I'd love to hear some really kick-ass Brian guitarriff like he used to write 'em (Business anyone?) and not some average rocktrack which samples his old band. And for god's sake - keep Eric Singer as far away as possible from this. And the FABBA girls can stay home too, unless they get down on their knees and entertain the entire frontrow while the band plays Get Down Make Love. |
last-horizon 42265 15.06.2009 15:24 |
Based on facts from the past, I cannot see why this cannot happen. I am not saying that this is what we would really want, but I think that this set list is on the realistic side: Tie Your Mother Down - B Hammer To Fall - B Headlong - B I Want It All - B I Want To Break Free - R Ride The Wild Wind - R A Kind Of Magic - R Stage-B set: Love Of My Life - B Long Away - B '39 - B No-One But You - B/R Drum Solo - R I'm In Love With My Car - R Tenement Funster - R Say It's Not True - R These Are The Days Of Our Lives - R Now I'm Here - B Guitar Solo / Last Horizon - B Heaven For Everyone - R I Was Born To Love You - B/R Under Pressure - B/R Encore #1: Fat Bottomed Girls - B BoRhap - F (slow) / B (fast) Radio Ga Ga - R Encore #2: The Show Must Go On - B/R WWRY (Slow) - R WWRY (Fast) - B We Are The Champions - F (verses) / B/R (choruses) Why not? |
Shane Jazz 15.06.2009 15:35 |
The image that comes to my mind immediately upon thinking of this setup is Brian playing acoustic guitar and Roger sitting next to him playing tambourine and singing Small. These kind of low-key, subtle moments (a la IWBTLY in Japan) are what would make this work. |
Pim Derks 15.06.2009 15:53 |
Shane Jazz wrote: The image that comes to my mind immediately upon thinking of this setup is Brian playing acoustic guitar and Roger sitting next to him playing tambourine and singing Small. These kind of low-key, subtle moments (a la IWBTLY in Japan) are what would make this work. Exactly. The most magical moments during the 2005 and 2008 tours were Brian and Roger playing together and messing around. I haven't seen the enjoyment they seemed to have during the ending of AKOM each night in the last 15 years or so. |
Queen Matt 15.06.2009 16:28 |
Last-Horizon wrote: Based on facts from the past, I cannot see why this cannot happen. I am not saying that this is what we would really want, but I think that this set list is on the realistic side: Tie Your Mother Down - B Hammer To Fall - B Headlong - B I Want It All - B I Want To Break Free - R Ride The Wild Wind - R A Kind Of Magic - R Stage-B set: Love Of My Life - B Long Away - B '39 - B No-One But You - B/R Drum Solo - R I'm In Love With My Car - R Tenement Funster - R Say It's Not True - R These Are The Days Of Our Lives - R Now I'm Here - B Guitar Solo / Last Horizon - B Heaven For Everyone - R I Was Born To Love You - B/R Under Pressure - B/R Encore #1: Fat Bottomed Girls - B BoRhap - F (slow) / B (fast) Radio Ga Ga - R Encore #2: The Show Must Go On - B/R WWRY (Slow) - R WWRY (Fast) - B We Are The Champions - F (verses) / B/R (choruses) Why not? This sounds like a good setlist but i would like to see Driven By You in the list i was suprised this didnt make an apperance with Paul.I think We Belive could be on there too,Also a Rog solo song mayby No more fun. |
silver_salmon 15.06.2009 16:37 |
Let Me live with Freddie's tapes would be great!! and then R & B. |
Crazy LittleThing 15.06.2009 17:56 |
Shane Jazz wrote:
The image that comes to my mind immediately upon thinking of this setup is Brian playing acoustic guitar and Roger sitting next to him playing tambourine and singing Small. These kind of low-key, subtle moments (a la IWBTLY in Japan) are what would make this work.
Listening to that recording still gives me the chills. The good kind. |
dobo 15.06.2009 18:40 |
I think the set would be something like this in a small theatre maybe 3000 people Set List: Tie Your Mother Down (Brian Vocal) Hammer To Fall (Brian Vocal) I Want It All (Brian Vocal) I Want To Break Free (Roger Vocal) Radio Ga Ga (Roger Vocal) Whole House Rockin' (Cosmos Rockin') (Roger Vocal) A Kind Of Magic (Roger Vocal) Love Of My Life (Brian Vocal) '39/Let Your Heart Rule Your Head (Brian Vocal) Too Much Love Will Kill You (Brian Vocal) I Was Born To Love You (Roger Vocal) No One But You (Brian & Roger Vocal) I'm In Love With My Car (Roger Vocal) Rock It (Roger Vocal) Say It's Not True (Roger Vocal) We Believe (Brian Vocal) Driven By You (Brian Vocal) Head Long (Brian Vocal) Bohemian Rhapsody (Freddie Vocal From Tape) Still Burnin' (Roger Vocal) (Up Untill WWRY Sample) We Will Rock You (Brian Vocal) We Are The Champions (Brian & Roger Vocal) God Save The Queen |
Penetration_Guru 16.06.2009 04:24 |
Togg wrote: In the latest fan club mag issue Roger confirms that he and Brian have discussed "going out on tour together" in 2010...watch this space...nother defined yet but sounds like it will just be the two of them as 'Queen' and then I guess the usual backing guys? Looking forward to it already!!!!! "Confirms tour"??? You fucking idiot - he says he's had a discussion, that doesn't confirm anything. He's also discussed having more web presence and releasing an anthology, and has previously discussed a VHS of his videos... |
Togg 16.06.2009 04:35 |
Well OK so he can't sell you a ticket yet, but sorry fuckwit he has confirmed they plan to do it. Jeez, 'discussing going out together next year' what do you want? a letter with dates and ticket availability ready before you understand? When you add that to the fact his roadie also mentioned a 2010 tour I would say, yes he is confirming it. In my book this news would seem worth bringing up in the serious discussion section, if it's too vague for you to get your tiny head around sorry. |
Cwazy little thing 16.06.2009 07:38 |
I am astonished by the setlists people are suggesting - its incredibly 80's/90's-centric - I'd much rather hear them aim high and play some stuff that never gets a chance on a greatest hits tour rather than just play a slightly different selection of hits with Tenement Funster and Long Away thrown in. TMLWKY is the only Made in Heaven track I can see ever getting an airing anyway, and I'd welcome that, but wouldnt it be great to see some more of the less frequently played 70's stuff revisited as well as some of the hits? White Queen March of the Black Queen Sleeping on the Sidewalk Death on Two Legs Doing Allright Lair Keep Yourself Alive Flick of the Wrist I cant see why a few of these couldnt be thrown in there, as this is surely more of an opportunity to have a crack at something like this than the tours with PR |
Vali 16.06.2009 07:53 |
Cwazy little thing wrote: (...) March of the Black Queen Death on Two Legs Liar Flick of the Wrist I cant see why a few of these couldnt be thrown in there ... Those I left above from your list without Freddie? no way; It's my oppinion; these songs are so "Freddie" I can't see them without him. On the other hand, I agree with you some of the older "rare" stuff should be revisited .. as well as some of the later! I'd really love to see a live rendition of Heaven For Everyone by Bri & Rog (+ Spike, Jamie, Danny...) as well as TMLWKY |
john bodega 16.06.2009 08:36 |
I dunno if they're going out next year but to me it's simple : leave Paul Rodgers at home. It was a fun experiment but the shelf life was limited. From what I saw of their last tour he was going by the motions. Brian and Roger singing. No guests, fuck them. Brian did a better job of "I Want It All" during one of Paul's off nights in the 2005 tour anyway. |
Cwazy little thing 16.06.2009 08:48 |
Vali wrote:Cwazy little thing wrote: (...) March of the Black Queen Death on Two Legs Liar Flick of the Wrist I cant see why a few of these couldnt be thrown in there ...Those I left above from your list without Freddie? no way; It's my oppinion; these songs are so "Freddie" I can't see them without him. On the other hand, I agree with you some of the older "rare" stuff should be revisited .. as well as some of the later! I'd really love to see a live rendition of Heaven For Everyone by Bri & Rog (+ Spike, Jamie, Danny...) as well as TMLWKY I see your point about those....hmm, even to play some instrumental sections of those in a medley would suit me! (in fact, while we're on it, Bring Back That Leroy Brown was always instrumental live anyway, so I'd love that to get a look in!). Heaven For Everyone could be cool I suppose also. |
Vali 16.06.2009 11:41 |
Zebonka12 wrote:
Brian and Roger singing. No guests, fuck them. Brian did a better job of "I Want It All" during one of Paul's off nights in the 2005 tour anyway.
Totally agree. Another example: A Kind Of Magic, a song that bored me so much when Paul sang it ... but I enjoyed so much when Rog and Bri took it to the B-stage. Pure fun to me. The magic was there again. |
Penetration_Guru 17.06.2009 01:20 |
Togg wrote: Well OK so he can't sell you a ticket yet, but sorry fuckwit he has confirmed they plan to do it. Jeez, 'discussing going out together next year' what do you want? a letter with dates and ticket availability ready before you understand? When you add that to the fact his roadie also mentioned a 2010 tour I would say, yes he is confirming it. In my book this news would seem worth bringing up in the serious discussion section, if it's too vague for you to get your tiny head around sorry. It's worth bringing up, but it's not conifrmation. And yes, confirmation = a list of dates, or at least an official announcement of countries to be covered. However, since all the teenagers are wetting their pants, I'll leave you to this "serious discussion" you're having on the subject.... |
Togg 17.06.2009 04:13 |
With all due respect PG I think you are missing the point here. OK so if you want to split hairs then no he has not said "I confirm the dates for the new tour will be" however, read what he said, they are discussing going out together, probably next year, nothing definate yet but watch this space. So no, not a full tour sorted and ready to go, but he is confirming that talks are under way and they have even pencilled in a time frame, something that we already knew via his tech. So what I was saying was Roger has confirmed the rumours about the tour. Why are you so bent oput of shape about the fact that OK it's not 100 defined yet, the fact is they are still planning it. I normally have a good level of respect for your posts, however, attacking me because I say 'confirmed tour' instead of confirmed talks seems somewhat pedantic. |
Headlong24 17.06.2009 04:27 |
You Forgot Sleeping on the Sidewalk:) |
Penetration_Guru 17.06.2009 06:41 |
Togg wrote: With all due respect PG I think you are missing the point here. OK so if you want to split hairs then no he has not said "I confirm the dates for the new tour will be" however, read what he said, they are discussing going out together, probably next year, nothing definate yet but watch this space. So no, not a full tour sorted and ready to go, but he is confirming that talks are under way and they have even pencilled in a time frame, something that we already knew via his tech. So what I was saying was Roger has confirmed the rumours about the tour. Why are you so bent oput of shape about the fact that OK it's not 100 defined yet, the fact is they are still planning it. I normally have a good level of respect for your posts, however, attacking me because I say 'confirmed tour' instead of confirmed talks seems somewhat pedantic. Somewhat pedantic, moi? I called you names because I felt that the topic title was misleading. As you've now agreed. However, I didn't mean it as maliciously as you took it - more of a "you silly sod" than an outright "you utter imbecile". And as I've said, discussions mean nothing - they had "discussions" about Robbie Williams & George Michael. |
Penetration_Guru 17.06.2009 06:44 |
Togg wrote: With all due respect PG If "due" <> "barely any" then NOT ("Togg" = "full control of faculties") |
Togg 17.06.2009 06:48 |
Well...after these meaningless 'discussions' I bet I will still be standing next to you front and centre at a London venue in 2010 ! |
Fone Bone 17.06.2009 07:47 |
Pim Derks wrote: I'd love to see Brian and Roger do this - but I just hope they'll focus on Queenfans, and not Joe Public who has Greatest Hits 1 and 2 who thinks that Mamma Mia is a song by Queen. If they go out and play basically the same tracks as they did with Paul no-one is going home satisfied (unless Brian suddenly can pull of I Want It All or Tie Your Mother Down - which I seriously doubt). If they decide to go for small arenas (4000-5000 people max?) AND put in some serious rehearsaltime I'm convinced this could be a great thing. I can't even imagine how great it would be to see Brian and Roger doing stuff like Tenement Funster, Long Away and other forgotten gems. But I seriously doubt that Brian will do this. I can't imagine him pulling out A Day At The Races from the shelf and learning the lyrics to Long Away. From the rumours regarding the last tour it seems he's happy playing the same old setlist every night without any rehearsing or creativity. I don't blame him - he's been more creative in his entire life than most of us would be in 10 lifetimes and I can imagine him wanting to spend his time doing other things than writing and performing music. But if they decide to go ahead and tour together - I hope Brian will put his heart into it and not make a half-arsed effort like he apparently did with TCR and it's following tour. I'd love to hear some really kick-ass Brian guitarriff like he used to write 'em (Business anyone?) and not some average rocktrack which samples his old band. And for god's sake - keep Eric Singer as far away as possible from this. And the FABBA girls can stay home too, unless they get down on their knees and entertain the entire frontrow while the band plays Get Down Make Love. I second every single word But let's be realistic : our wish (small venues, rare gems from the back catalogue, no c-list musicians or guest singers, John Deacon, why not?) is even less probable thant a greatest hits set with an Amercan Idol contestant. From Patti Russo to Paul Rodgers to Adam Lambert ? Ouch |
Togg 17.06.2009 09:15 |
Some of the best Queen nights I can remember were The Fan Club Chrismas parties, (I think that's what they called it) It was down in Soho in about 88-92 I think, Brian came, and so did John, they also had Tim Staffell and several other guest stars including Martin Chambers on the drums A truely great night, Roger had the News of the World robot on the bass drum. Now if they did stuff like that it would be great, but time will tell. Anyway me and PG can share a box of pop corn and laugh about how it was never meant to be ;-) |
Mlaimo 17.06.2009 10:55 |
QPR was a paycheck. Now it's time to leave the GHits behind and do something for the fans. I say bring Jeff Scott Soto on board and polish off all the gems of the past. |
That Crazy Diamond 17.06.2009 12:19 |
That would be great, The best thing, which is not going to happen, would be them with John, that would be magical! |
Penetration_Guru 17.06.2009 15:30 |
Togg wrote: I bet I will still be standing next to you front and centre at a London venue in 2010 ! How much? I'll put £1000 up now that says the above does not take place |
Wiley 17.06.2009 19:30 |
Mlaimo wrote: QPR was a paycheck. Now it's time to leave the GHits behind and do something for the fans. I don't agree that QPR was just a paycheck. I think the project meant a lot for them and they were very disappointed it didn't go far. Regarding the Greatest hits, well, apparently Brian LIKES to play the hits over and over again because he feels comfortable that way and he always wants to aim everything for Joe Public even if Mr. Public doesn't care a lot. I don't imagine Brian wants to play smaller venues in a "Queen" tour. Maybe as a solo artist? Because - and let's face it - If he tours with Roger there is NO WAY IN HELL they are calling it anything other than Queen and if they tour as Queen they are going to play Queen's Greatest Hits. |
Deacons 1st Choice 17.06.2009 21:30 |
Mrs.Fahrenheit wrote: That would be great, The best thing, which is not going to happen, would be them with John, that would be magical! Indeed. Nothing is 'impossible'..... ...though i doubt he would actually want to be up on stage. Maybe appear 'un-officially'...so to speak.... :) |
Togg 18.06.2009 04:18 |
Penetration_Guru wrote:Togg wrote: I bet I will still be standing next to you front and centre at a London venue in 2010 !How much? I'll put £1000 up now that says the above does not take place Hmmm tempting...but I guess we are dealing with Queen prods... anyway one thing is certain, If they are going to do it, the venues will already be pre-booked, and my guess is behind the scenes someone is doing that right now. Any tour takes a long time to organise, if Roger is at the point he openly talks about it as does his tech, then I would say someone has already lined up the venues, that would have to be done at least a year in advance assuming they are talking about say arena's Set list and stage design can be done pretty fast, however booking the venue is always a good year ahead if they want to do a tour rather than just a one off.. I don't know PG i don't know that grand of yours looks pretty unstable to me ;-) I have to say being that you are a pedantic fellow and knowing Queen I guess it could slip into 2011...so not sure i would want to put up a grand to someone that will no-doubt argue a 2011 tour is not the same thing. But tell you what I will buy you a beer at the opening night, how's that? |
john bodega 18.06.2009 07:47 |
Er.... John's dead, has been for some time now. Don't take that literally of course; there is a bald guy called John Deacon out there somewhere living it up in retirement, but you should adopt the philosophy that he's practically dead. Most of us don't know him personally, and probably won't be enjoying any artistic output from him ever again, so he might as well be dead to us. |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 18.06.2009 10:41 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Er.... John's dead, has been for some time now. Don't take that literally of course; there is a bald guy called John Deacon out there somewhere living it up in retirement, but you should adopt the philosophy that he's practically dead. Most of us don't know him personally, and probably won't be enjoying any artistic output from him ever again, so he might as well be dead to us. Well, Zebonka12, I usually agree with you and your sense of humour is fantastic. You always make me laugh and you also say many things most of us try to avoid saying, and I find that very interesting and really funny. That said, I cannot agree with you on this. I personally think that our dear John has a very good reason not to want to be involved in music. I will not loose my hopes that he will overcome such a situation and go back to music until he is dead. Literally dead, I mean. :) Cheers, Ogre- |
john bodega 18.06.2009 11:20 |
We don't disagree on anything here; I TOTALLY support his reasons for retirement. FUCK, he's earned it!!! All the same, it'd help people to just imagine he's dead because I think retirement is where he's staying, and to the rest of the world that's basically the same as if he were dead. |
i-Fred 18.06.2009 23:51 |
I think John keeps the legacy alive more than Brian and Rodger |
Michael Allred 20.06.2009 15:33 |
Freddies Lunch Box wrote: I think John keeps the legacy alive more than Brian and Rodger By living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all, yup, that's a good way to keep the spirit and legacy alive. |
Sheer Brass Neck 20.06.2009 22:35 |
Michael Allred wrote:Or, by living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all (5ive, Robbie Williams' WATC, multiple WWRY remakes, Britney, Pink, Beyonce, TCR, American Idol), he's doing more than Brian and Roger combined to protect and not sully the legacy.Freddies Lunch Box wrote: I think John keeps the legacy alive more than Brian and RodgerBy living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all, yup, that's a good way to keep the spirit and legacy alive. |
Michael Allred 21.06.2009 00:10 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote:Sully the legacy or not fit into your constrained notions of what your favorite band should do?Michael Allred wrote:Or, by living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all (5ive, Robbie Williams' WATC, multiple WWRY remakes, Britney, Pink, Beyonce, TCR, American Idol), he's doing more than Brian and Roger combined to protect and not sully the legacy.Freddies Lunch Box wrote: I think John keeps the legacy alive more than Brian and RodgerBy living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all, yup, that's a good way to keep the spirit and legacy alive. 5ive produced a #1 single. "American Idol" gave them more publicity in the US than they had in the previous 11-12 years combined. The pepsi commercial and Robbie were minor blips. Neither were singles, just one-offs, nothing more. At least Brian and Roger are out there, TRYING. It's easy to sit back and say "Yep, I would never have done that" when you're not doing fuck all to begin with. Queen made mistakes when Freddie was alive too. |
john bodega 21.06.2009 05:37 |
Legacies are for dead people. Freddie's dead; big deal. I hope Brian and Roger keep playing until their arms fall off. Fuck John Deacon. |
Sheer Brass Neck 21.06.2009 10:23 |
Believe it or not, Michael, I don't disagree with you on Brian and Roger's efforts, and John's lack of efforts for lack of a better phrase to keep the legacy alive. And as Queen ceased to exist for me in 1991, (I'm not right, I'm not wrong with that date, it's what I feel), I'd argue that if the things that I've listed aren't legacy harming (and they're probably not), the projects that Brian and Roger have been so inconsequential that nobody would list them as legacy building either. It's the work of two guys who feel they have to keep Queen's name out there at all costs, which is fine. John feels that Queen's work is complete, and that's fine too. I think when you say he's done or is doing "fuck all" that's harsh, and sure he hasn't helped Queen's legacy, nor has he lessened it. If you believe that Queen garners respect by working with acts like 5ive and Robbie Williams, that's fine. Take Queen out of the picture, and I'd hazard a guess that no self respecting Led Zeppelin fan would ever have wanted them to hook up with Puff Daddy for his Kashmir bastardization. Everything a band or person does is part of their legacy, good or bad. Zep with P. Didddy is bad, bad, bad. Doesn't detract from their great stuff, hardly their finest moment. Queen's had lots of "not their finest moments", not many "that's awesome!" since 1991. IMHO :) |
Michael Allred 21.06.2009 12:39 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Believe it or not, Michael, I don't disagree with you on Brian and Roger's efforts, and John's lack of efforts for lack of a better phrase to keep the legacy alive. And as Queen ceased to exist for me in 1991, (I'm not right, I'm not wrong with that date, it's what I feel), I'd argue that if the things that I've listed aren't legacy harming (and they're probably not), the projects that Brian and Roger have been so inconsequential that nobody would list them as legacy building either. It's the work of two guys who feel they have to keep Queen's name out there at all costs, which is fine. John feels that Queen's work is complete, and that's fine too. I think when you say he's done or is doing "fuck all" that's harsh, and sure he hasn't helped Queen's legacy, nor has he lessened it. If you believe that Queen garners respect by working with acts like 5ive and Robbie Williams, that's fine. Take Queen out of the picture, and I'd hazard a guess that no self respecting Led Zeppelin fan would ever have wanted them to hook up with Puff Daddy for his Kashmir bastardization. Everything a band or person does is part of their legacy, good or bad. Zep with P. Didddy is bad, bad, bad. Doesn't detract from their great stuff, hardly their finest moment. Queen's had lots of "not their finest moments", not many "that's awesome!" since 1991. IMHO :) "John feels that Queen's work is complete." Sounds like an assumption to me. |
Sheer Brass Neck 21.06.2009 14:48 |
Michael Allred wrote:Huh? John hasn't worked with them, distances himself from pretty much everything they do so if it is an assumption I'd say it's a pretty accurate one. I think for no one but myself bit I'd *assume* that his silence speaks volumes on what he thinks Brian and Roger are doing, and when he broke his silence re: Robbie Williams, it wasn't exactly praising them.Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Believe it or not, Michael, I don't disagree with you on Brian and Roger's efforts, and John's lack of efforts for lack of a better phrase to keep the legacy alive. And as Queen ceased to exist for me in 1991, (I'm not right, I'm not wrong with that date, it's what I feel), I'd argue that if the things that I've listed aren't legacy harming (and they're probably not), the projects that Brian and Roger have been so inconsequential that nobody would list them as legacy building either. It's the work of two guys who feel they have to keep Queen's name out there at all costs, which is fine. John feels that Queen's work is complete, and that's fine too. I think when you say he's done or is doing "fuck all" that's harsh, and sure he hasn't helped Queen's legacy, nor has he lessened it. If you believe that Queen garners respect by working with acts like 5ive and Robbie Williams, that's fine. Take Queen out of the picture, and I'd hazard a guess that no self respecting Led Zeppelin fan would ever have wanted them to hook up with Puff Daddy for his Kashmir bastardization. Everything a band or person does is part of their legacy, good or bad. Zep with P. Didddy is bad, bad, bad. Doesn't detract from their great stuff, hardly their finest moment. Queen's had lots of "not their finest moments", not many "that's awesome!" since 1991. IMHO :)"John feels that Queen's work is complete." Sounds like an assumption to me. |
john bodega 22.06.2009 00:57 |
I'd also say it's a safe bet. It's not like he's crafting a sequel to Another One Bites the Dust is it. |
Benn 22.06.2009 05:27 |
I'd have to agree with "John feels Queen's work is complete". After all, the work deemed to be "LEFT" was completed and used on the MIH album and a final tribute to Freddie from "the three" in NOBY sealed the envelope. That Brian and Roger decided to continue to use the Queen name (for good or bad) was their choice and with John's blessing, but without John's input, is never going to be completely Queen in the same way that it's not without Freddie. Good on John I say, he's stuck to his guns and, if he was to change his mind - presumably due to financial considerations??????? - it would lend greated creedence to the use of the name. |
john bodega 22.06.2009 07:21 |
Benn wrote: if he was to change his mind - presumably due to financial considerations???????A nice thought but almost wholly implausible. He'd have to pretty bad with his money, having written a few big hits as he did... Although, I guess you could buy a lot of strippers for what Best Friend, Dust, and Break Free got him. |
Benn 22.06.2009 09:51 |
Well, knowing the financial straits John Entwistle ended up in, it's not beyond the realms of possibility....... |
Wiley 22.06.2009 12:08 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Legacies are for dead people. Freddie's dead; big deal. I hope Brian and Roger keep playing until their arms fall off. Fuck John Deacon. I don't know if you trully mean this, but I know I agree with it. Maybe not so much with the "Fuck John Deacon" bit, but the main point still stands. I can't stand how some fans think they own the band and claim that Roger and Brian are RUINING their legacy, like if from now on Queen would be remembered solely by the QPR tour. By the way, last monday they played like 5 minutes of the start of the Ukraine DVD in a news report on cable here in Mexico. It was the intro and almost all of One Vision. The "news", however, was not "Queen+PR release DVD of last year's gig" but "Queen play massive gig in Ukraine". No mention of the DVD. It was cool, though. |
Penetration_Guru 22.06.2009 13:58 |
Benn wrote: Well, knowing the financial straits John Entwistle ended up in, it's not beyond the realms of possibility....... Are you suggesting Deacy has similar problems with Coke & whores? |
john bodega 22.06.2009 14:27 |
Wiley wrote: I don't know if you trully mean this, but I know I agree with it. Maybe not so much with the "Fuck John Deacon" bit, but the main point still stands.HA! If saw John Deacon I wouldn't say "FUCK YOU MAN!". I really respect him at the end of the day; for working 20 years at the craft I've fallen in love with, and for having the nuts to call it a day when he felt it was right to do so. We, as 'fans' or listeners in my case, should never hold anything so dear that we can't go "ah fuck it". Because it's just not that important. Deacy wants off the ride ... fair enough. Fuck 'im; it's an expression, not an insult, hehehe. Point is, on principle I'd like the 'show' to go on. Not with Robbie Williams, not with Wyclif Jean, not with Elton John, Britney Spears or the cast of WWRY, but that's just me I guess. Music is a living art form, it needs to be played. If Brian and Roger are still out there, still making that noise, then the music IS (in a way) still alive. Might not be with Freddie and it might not be how you or I like it, but tough titty. I think it's more important than who's singing, or even who's paying for the billboards. I may be an old softy but that is how I see it! |
Togg 23.06.2009 04:29 |
A few years ago I met John Deacon in Knightsbridge. I got to shake his hand and I got to ask him if this was him out of Queen forever, he thanked me and simply said, "well I have made the decision to retire from the music business" Not I hate what Queen are doing, Queen is dead, I can't go on without Freddie....simply put he has retired. Think back to the video set The Magic Years, even then he was saying he was in a very uncertain phase in his life...well I guess that's because he wanted out of the music business. So...nuff said |
Benn 23.06.2009 06:15 |
Penetration_Guru, re: >>Are you suggesting Deacy has similar problems with Coke & whores? Provocative little beast, you....... Not specifically, no, but there's a chance, however remote, that he may, suddenly, find himself in a position where he needs to generate some cash quickly as JAE did )after finding that he had a particularly large tax bill to pay -nothing to do with crack and whores as you so poetically state - a result of deciding to live, almost full-time, in his beloved England). Best way to do that would be to get back with his old muckers again and get back out on the road again. |
cacatua 23.06.2009 21:17 |
Zebonka12 wrote:Wiley wrote: I don't know if you trully mean this, but I know I agree with it. Maybe not so much with the "Fuck John Deacon" bit, but the main point still stands.HA! If saw John Deacon I wouldn't say "FUCK YOU MAN!". I really respect him at the end of the day; for working 20 years at the craft I've fallen in love with, and for having the nuts to call it a day when he felt it was right to do so. We, as 'fans' or listeners in my case, should never hold anything so dear that we can't go "ah fuck it". Because it's just not that important. Deacy wants off the ride ... fair enough. Fuck 'im; it's an expression, not an insult, hehehe. Point is, on principle I'd like the 'show' to go on. Not with Robbie Williams, not with Wyclif Jean, not with Elton John, Britney Spears or the cast of WWRY, but that's just me I guess. Music is a living art form, it needs to be played. If Brian and Roger are still out there, still making that noise, then the music IS (in a way) still alive. Might not be with Freddie and it might not be how you or I like it, but tough titty. I think it's more important than who's singing, or even who's paying for the billboards. I may be an old softy but that is how I see it! I agree with Zebonka12 When you work in the arts it is part of your whole nature. Artists don't usually just stop being creative. They may go through unproductive periods, or shift their focus to something a little different that seems new and a fresher challenge if they are burned out on the same-old same-old. Sometimes it is just nice to coast and have some fun until something more serious just spontaneously comes into mind. I certainly don't begrudge Brian and Roger for keeping an hand in but taking it easy for however long they want. |
Major Tom 24.06.2009 09:48 |
Ducksoup wrote: Here's hoping: Small venues, including Bri's + Rog's solo tracks... Bring it on!That'd be great! Unfortunately we the Swedes, or scandinavia for that matter wont see them around. Germany here I come! |
Mlaimo 24.06.2009 16:09 |
Togg wrote: A few years ago I met John Deacon in Knightsbridge. I got to shake his hand and I got to ask him if this was him out of Queen forever, he thanked me and simply said, "well I have made the decision to retire from the music business" Not I hate what Queen are doing, Queen is dead, I can't go on without Freddie....simply put he has retired. Think back to the video set The Magic Years, even then he was saying he was in a very uncertain phase in his life...well I guess that's because he wanted out of the music business. So...nuff said Cool...how does he look these days? And where was it? |
cacatua 24.06.2009 20:49 |
Togg wrote: A few years ago I met John Deacon in Knightsbridge. I got to shake his hand and I got to ask him if this was him out of Queen forever, he thanked me and simply said, "well I have made the decision to retire from the music business" Not I hate what Queen are doing, Queen is dead, I can't go on without Freddie....simply put he has retired. Think back to the video set The Magic Years, even then he was saying he was in a very uncertain phase in his life...well I guess that's because he wanted out of the music business. So...nuff said Many years ago I heard an interview with Artie Shaw, the famous clarinet-playing band leader from the era of swing. He was one of the very best. He was asked if he ever picked up his clarinet and had the urge to play again. He said he not only didn't have any desire to ever play again but he had made a lamp out of his clarinet. I suppose one could make a lamp out of a guitar. Do you suppose? |
Benn 25.06.2009 10:27 |
It's also like the great sports people who give up after years of playing at the highest level. Nine times out of ten, not a single one of them misses it. At teh end of the day, it's like any full time job, isn't it. When you retire, you know you've had enough. Only the worst of circumstances would drag you back into it again. |
Wiley 25.06.2009 11:11 |
Benn wrote: When you retire, you know you've had enough. Only the worst of circumstances would drag you back into it again. (Loud Pacino mode ON) Just when I though I was out, THEY PULL ME BACK IN!! Whoo-ah! |
yanks15 16.07.2009 01:06 |
they had their window 20 years ago yet decided to sit back and do nothing..it's too late now...sit back lads collect your royalty's and wait for the likes of foo fighters to hit the uk and do a cameo...both of you were the backbone of queen, but your time is gone |
Fone Bone 17.07.2009 12:21 |
OK, so Bri and Rog want to hit the road again 2010. Why don’t we let them know what we want? A few hundred answers (I know I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one) might carry some clout. And after that, they’ll do as they please, as they should! 1/Brian and Roger plan to tour as Queen in 2010. OK, but who should sing? a- The two of them, alternating lead vocal duties b- A roster of different guest vocalists c- A lead singer 2/ A lead singer? Sure, but who? a- Paul Rodgers: bring him back, please b- Jeff Scott Soto: he knows the material! c- Adam Lambert: duh! d- Someone else (name) 3/ What would you like the setlist to be like? a- A greatest hits core peppered with a few great album tracks from the 70’s and songs from the late 80’s and early 90’s that were never performed live b- A set mostly composed of tracks focusing on Brian’s and Roger’s catalogues, both Queen and solo (Tenement Funster, Heaven For Everyone, Sleeping On The Sidwalk, Driven By You) c- Greatest Hits only, please 3/ The song you absolutely want to hear the most? 5/What about new material? a- New material comes first, and the tour comes second b- A few new ditties could be alright, but not mandatory c- No new material : vintage Queen only please 6/ A crazy dream about the upcoming tour? a- An album-centric tour, à la Pink Floyd Dark Side Of The Moon, Brian Wilson’s Pet Sounds or The Pixies’ Doolitle (ANATO with JSS, for example) b- Much video footage and vocals of Freddie, à la Bijou and Bo Rhap on the QPR tours (aka Made In Heaven : Live, spooky!) c- Small venues and relaxed storytellers-styled interaction with the fans d- John Deacon e- Else (describe) |
catqueen 17.07.2009 15:18 |
i just hope they go on some kind of tour and are somewhere I can hear them, I didn't get to go to QPR either tour, and would really love to go see Brian and Roger in any shape or form! And, although i'd love to see them singing mroe tehn in QPR, I'd hate to see drums sacrificed, and it wouldn't be Queen without Brian's guitar, so they'd need another vocalist for at least some of it, IMO. At least if it was to be a big tour. If they only played small venues, I guess it would be nice if they could carry the show themselves. And, although I'd love to hear the lesser known songs, but love teh hits so much, I'd love to hear them live. And if John would be there, it would be little short of perfection! But, as they say, if wishers were horses, beggers would ride. If my wishes came true we'd be in the 70s anyway, so this would be irrelavant! :) (Well, the 70s with modern technology, anyway!) |
PauloPanucci 17.07.2009 16:45 |
catqueen wrote: i just hope they go on some kind of tour and are somewhere I can hear them, I didn't get to go to QPR either tour, and would really love to go see Brian and Roger in any shape or form! And, although i'd love to see them singing mroe tehn in QPR, I'd hate to see drums sacrificed, and it wouldn't be Queen without Brian's guitar, so they'd need another vocalist for at least some of it, IMO. At least if it was to be a big tour. If they only played small venues, I guess it would be nice if they could carry the show themselves. And, although I'd love to hear the lesser known songs, but love teh hits so much, I'd love to hear them live. And if John would be there, it would be little short of perfection! But, as they say, if wishers were horses, beggers would ride. If my wishes came true we'd be in the 70s anyway, so this would be irrelavant! :) (Well, the 70s with modern technology, anyway!) Man,, i hope this so!!!!! Queen just go where i cant go!!! However,,, i hope Queen have a long life with great musics...!!! |
Cosmos Rocker 21.07.2009 04:31 |
First of all, Hi, this is my first post!! IF Paul is gone, what do we all think of the idea that if Roger and Brian tour again as Queen, they hold auditions for a top class "unknown" vocalist and use him as a session/touring musician in exactly the same way they employ Jamie Moses, Danny Miranda and Spike Edney? They could possibly put together a set list which still has Roger and Brian taking lead vocals on 2 or 3 songs each and possibly another couple with Freddie on the big screens as well as Bohemian Rhapsody. The session guy takes lead vocals on the rest. Opinions? |
john bodega 21.07.2009 04:45 |
Sure they could do that, but they'd have to do it with the foreknowledge that no one they choose will be 'good enough'. I mean they could pick the most tremendous singer on the planet (he or she is out there somewhere) but it would not please everyone. Hehe. |
PauloPanucci 21.07.2009 10:00 |
Brian and Roger have potential to make a concert alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Welll, i think! |