QueenZone discussion #1183349

Thomas Tønnesen wrote: I have to admit that I was struck by lightening when I heard We Are the Champions performed by Queen and Adam Lambert, and the other guy ;) This is the first time ever, sincerely, that I felt the power, pomp and drama of Queen since Freddie left the stage. Queen have performed, recorded and played with a number of vocalists - but this time everything felt into place. Lambert brought back the camp, flamboyance, fun and crazy - with  a performance of power, uniqueness, flair and range. This has to be a Made in Heaven combination. And at the time I'm writing this, messageboards, newspapers and chats have people going mad discussing this collaboration or meeting. It seems like a LOT of people would like this to happen. Consider me in. Although I liked The Cosmos Rockin, and still do; still it lacked the drama and pomp that we expect from a Queen album. Yes, it was a new venture, a new take within the Queen format - but still something was missing; the "over the top-singing", the unorthodox arrangements and humour - this can happen now. Whereas The Cosmos Rocking was a safe, straightforward, predictable blues/rock album - we now may get the chance to finally see Queen strike back with strength and power performing and creating a kind of macic - a new fresh, epic glam rock/metal of our time. Lambert will give them this, by inserting humour, freshness, versaility, range and theatricality. And what an insanely perfect way to be re-born in the States again? Try to imagine this vocal god to perform "Somebody to Love", "Death on two legs", "Now I'm Here" and "Innuendo"!? This will be the perfect opportunity to close the chapter and history of Queen as a performing band. Have fun and take the world with storm by setting a new standard - with fresh, rocky new albums and spectacular live concerts. What do you think?

argQ wrote: Please, forget this TV guy. Can he write new songs? Can he play any instrument? He has a good voice, but that's all. I think Queen is something big for him. Only Paul can do it properly. Q+PR was a fantastic combination.

andreas_mercury wrote:

  Thomas Tønnesen wrote: I have to admit that I was struck by lightening when I heard We Are the Champions performed by Queen and Adam Lambert, and the other guy ;) This is the first time ever, sincerely, that I felt the power, pomp and drama of Queen since Freddie left the stage. Queen have performed, recorded and played with a number of vocalists - but this time everything felt into place. Lambert brought back the camp, flamboyance, fun and crazy - with  a performance of power, uniqueness, flair and range. This has to be a Made in Heaven combination. And at the time I'm writing this, messageboards, newspapers and chats have people going mad discussing this collaboration or meeting. It seems like a LOT of people would like this to happen. Consider me in. Although I liked The Cosmos Rockin, and still do; still it lacked the drama and pomp that we expect from a Queen album. Yes, it was a new venture, a new take within the Queen format - but still something was missing; the "over the top-singing", the unorthodox arrangements and humour - this can happen now. Whereas The Cosmos Rocking was a safe, straightforward, predictable blues/rock album - we now may get the chance to finally see Queen strike back with strength and power performing and creating a kind of macic - a new fresh, epic glam rock/metal of our time. Lambert will give them this, by inserting humour, freshness, versaility, range and theatricality.             And what an insanely perfect way to be re-born in the States again? Try to imagine this vocal god to perform "Somebody to Love", "Death on two legs", "Now I'm Here" and "Innuendo"!? This will be the perfect opportunity to close the chapter and history of Queen as a performing band. Have fun and take the world with storm by setting a new standard - with fresh, rocky new albums and spectacular live concerts.               What do you think?              

  i think you are optimistic.  

Yara wrote: Hi, Thomas Tønnesen!   How are you? Wow, what a nice and well-written and thought out post. :-)) It was really great to read it. I agree with you on the lad's skills - he sings well, and I always think that gifted people may improve over time under the right circumstances. Believe it or not, I'm not very optimistic about Roger and Brian, though. It hurts me to say this, but ever since Freddie died, Roger and Brian, by themselves, haven't amount to anything. I hate to say this and to think like that, but I say to myself: "It's been almost 18 - 18! - years ever since Freddie died and their relevance to music has been close to zero". It's been 18 years. I am 18 year-old - when I think about it, I mean...I'd never have heard about them if it were not for Queen and, mainly, Freddie, who after his death, as everyone tells me, became this myth and legendary figure. I was born about the same time Freddie died and I grew up without Brian May and Roger Taylor in my music horizont: I've always listened to a LOT OF MUSIC but their appeal must have been so insignificant that I had always assumed they had just retired after Queen disbanded.    Arg, I don't like saying this, it sounds ugly, but it's how I feel, I feel as if the musical landscape, so to speak, would have remained almost the same had these two great musicians not done anything in music. "No One But You" has been the only redeeming moment perhaps - one song in 18 years, and even this song is a kind of hommage to Freddie and featured John Deacon!   I'll stop it now because I don't like thinking this way. But it's been too much time for me to expect anything more from them, really - I just hope they're happy in whatever they do and I wish them the very best. If eventually a great album comes, I'd be thrilled and, as a fan, quite proud!, but I feel it's not happening. To me this has much more to do with Brian and Roger than with the Adam Lambert.  I loved your post, though. I would like to have written it myself - it's well-argued and written and I'd love to express the same feelings as you, really. I think I'm envious. :op  Take care and congratulations for the great post! Yara     

Yara wrote: Believe it or not, I'm not very optimistic about Roger and Brian, though. It hurts me to say this, but ever since Freddie died, Roger and Brian, by themselves, haven't amount to anything. I hate to say this and to think like that, but I say to myself: "It's been almost 18 - 18! - years ever since Freddie died and their relevance to music has been close to zero".

Thomas Tønnesen wrote: I do agree that the creative output, “songwriting wise” has been non-revolutionary, and in fact to some degree not relevant. “No One But You” is a beautiful song, with meaning and substance – but that is it. All the 46664 stuff sounds to me dull and too ambitious. And as for the Cosmos Rock – even though I like the album, I find it quite boring and uninspiring. So, yes I do understand that some find Queen insignificant since Freddie died in terms of recordings. But that doesn’t mean they still can’t pull it of with the right person, in the right environment.

Pim Derks wrote: I have to agree though with your comment about No-One But You. For me too, that was the last song that had the real Queen magic. Maybe it wasn't Freddy who added the secret ingredient, but John? ;-)

  Pim Derks wrote:  

      Yara wrote:   Believe it or not, I'm not very optimistic about Roger and Brian, though. It hurts me to say this, but ever since Freddie died, Roger and Brian, by themselves, haven't amount to anything. I hate to say this and to think like that, but I say to myself: "It's been almost 18 - 18! - years ever since Freddie died and their relevance to music has been close to zero".  

Anyone who's been in a band like Queen has that problem. I can't remember the last time a member of a HUGE 60's/70's/80's band has actually created new music which overshadowed his/her former band. The only exception I can think of is Michael Jackson. Besides that - any band who has had their peak in the 60's/70's or 80's will never reach that height again. Look at the Stones, the Who, McCartney, Queen - anyone from that era still 'active' today. Sure, McCartney made some great stuff with Wings and solo. The last Who-album was a whole lot better than most people were expecting and apparently the last Stones album was also really good - but those acts will ALWAYS be remembered for Hey Jude, Paint It Black and My Generation. Same with Queen - they will always be remembered for WWRY (the song, not the musical) and BoRhap. For me it's not about expecting a new Bohemian Rhapsody which sells millions and hits number 1 all over the world. It's about seeing my favorite musicians in the world enjoy making music together - be it live or a new studio record. ALL of the Queen-related releases had at least a couple of interesting tunes - and that's always better than NOTHING at all, like it was from 1998 up until 2008. The sheer thrill of finally getting some REAL new Queen-related music is something that I hope hasn't happened for the last time in 2008. I have to agree though with your comment about No-One But You. For me too, that was the last song that had the real Queen magic. Maybe it wasn't Freddy who added the secret ingredient, but John? ;-)

Makka wrote: It's not just about the singing. It's also about the songwriting. Brian and Roger can't write songs like Freddie did which was a major part of the band. For me, Queen ended with the death of Freddie. RIP!

Zebonka12 wrote: And please, no one cite "The Cosmos Rocks" as an example.  That's not a case of "Freddie's gone so we suck now".  That's a case of "We're old and comfortable".  Probably would've happened even if Freddie was alive.

Zebonka12 wrote: Ha!  Well put..  I might be imagining things but there were manifest and very palpable moments on "The Cosmos Rocks" where Deacon's absent was glaringly obvious. I think as far as replacements go there's better and there's worse than Paul Rodgers..  I've always wondered why the felt the need to even have one.  People can say what they want about Brian May as a singer but there's only a couple of tracks on the new album that match "No One But You" as far as sounding impassioned goes;  "Say It's Not True" and "C-Lebrity".  On the rest of the tracks Rodgers just sounds like he's coasting. 

Holly2003 wrote: With Brian's ego as huge as it is these days, I suppose we're lucky he didn't play bass and drums on TCR.

mike hunt wrote:

  Makka wrote: It's not just about the singing. It's also about the songwriting. Brian and Roger can't write songs like Freddie did which was a major part of the band. For me, Queen ended with the death of Freddie. RIP!

ok, this is the part that the brian and roger stefords start calling you a freddie only guy, or a freddie steford, but why?...For telling the truth?.. that's why.  John was a very important member of queen, that's for sure, but he wasn't the main ingrediant.  The main ingrediants of queen are Freddie's voice/songwriting and brians guitar/songwriting. Take one of those 2 out of the equation, and the queen sound is no more. End of story!....especially freddie, he was the most original and creative member.

Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote: Marcenciel, I understand your point, but please don't be pissed at John. It's his life, anyway. Besides, what if he is facing some big problem that does not leave room for him to play with the guys again? Let us just be thankful for ALL he gave us. Cheers, Ogre-

marcenciels wrote:

  Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote: Marcenciel, I understand your point, but please don't be pissed at John. It's his life, anyway. Besides, what if he is facing some big problem that does not leave room for him to play with the guys again? Let us just be thankful for ALL he gave us. Cheers, Ogre-

hi Ogre :) i meant i use to be...and pissed was the first word that came to me whilte writing my thought's. i would be right of me to say : dissapointed. as you say, who knows how his life is going at the moment. i wish all is pretty well for john and his love one's. re-Cheers ! Marc :)