aion 11.05.2009 11:42 |
Do you have any guilty pleasure favourites? I have one big guilty pleasure favourite band: Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi was one of the first bands that I ever liked because I loved the big choruses and the irresistible hooks in their songs. Since then my musical tastes have changed and most of the music I listen to is very far from Bon Jovi (I'm probably the only person in the world who likes both Radiohead and BJ), but this band has kind of stuck with me. I'm not a huge Bon Jovi fan and I don't like any of their new stuff at all, but I still like their albums from the late 1980s and 1990s. The problem is, it's hardly fashionable to like this band and they have never exactly been the critic's choice if you know what I mean. We know the deal with this band: they are an extremely slick and commercial band that makes bland, middle of the road songs and making money has always been more important to them than making music. Their lyrics are not very deep (to put it nicely), they always do the same songs over and over again, they love to pose in photographs and show their unnaturally white teeth. The band's image is terrible and their audience mostly consists of 40-year-old women ("soccer moms") who stare at Jon Bon Jovi's butt while their husband is at work. I can't watch live bootlegs of this band because I can't stand the sight of this guy making huge smiles and wiggling his ass to the women. This is all bad stuff and it's not hard to understand why they have never had any respect from critics and fellow musicians. And all this makes it very hard for me to accept that I still like (some of) their music. I'm often on the verge of taking all of their albums to a second-hand music shop but then I put in the stereo some old song of theirs that I always liked, like "I Believe", "Someday I'll Be Saturday Night" or "Something For The Pain", and I realise that I still honestly like those songs. Yeah, Bon Jovi music is clichéd and shallow, but at their best times their songs were inspired and genuine to them, and "Bad Medicine" is still a fun, brainless rock song and some songs like "Bitter Wine" or "These Days" are surprisingly beautiful. So I say fuck 'em all. I mean, I'd be a real coward if I rejected some band that I like simply because I "shouldn't" like them, and decided my music favourites solely based on what critics and other music fans like, right? So Bon Jovi continues to be my secret love... I'll never admit in public that I like them, but once or twice a year I listen to an old Jovi album to get that guilty pleasure. Do you have a similar situation with any band? |
Yara 11.05.2009 12:54 |
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aion wrote: Do you have any guilty pleasure favourites? I have one big guilty pleasure favourite band: Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi was one of the first bands that I ever liked because I loved the big choruses and the irresistible hooks in their songs. Since then my musical tastes have changed and most of the music I listen to is very far from Bon Jovi (I'm probably the only person in the world who likes both Radiohead and BJ), but this band has kind of stuck with me. I'm not a huge Bon Jovi fan and I don't like any of their new stuff at all, but I still like their albums from the late 1980s and 1990s. The problem is, it's hardly fashionable to like this band and they have never exactly been the critic's choice if you know what I mean. We know the deal with this band: they are an extremely slick and commercial band that makes bland, middle of the road songs and making money has always been more important to them than making music. Their lyrics are not very deep (to put it nicely), they always do the same songs over and over again, they love to pose in photographs and show their unnaturally white teeth. The band's image is terrible and their audience mostly consists of 40-year-old women ("soccer moms") who stare at Jon Bon Jovi's butt while their husband is at work. I can't watch live bootlegs of this band because I can't stand the sight of this guy making huge smiles and wiggling his ass to the women. This is all bad stuff and it's not hard to understand why they have never had any respect from critics and fellow musicians. And all this makes it very hard for me to accept that I still like (some of) their music. I'm often on the verge of taking all of their albums to a second-hand music shop but then I put in the stereo some old song of theirs that I always liked, like "I Believe", "Someday I'll Be Saturday Night" or "Something For The Pain", and I realise that I still honestly like those songs. Yeah, Bon Jovi music is clichéd and shallow, but at their best times their songs were inspired and genuine to them, and "Bad Medicine" is still a fun, brainless rock song and some songs like "Bitter Wine" or "These Days" are surprisingly beautiful. So I say fuck 'em all. I mean, I'd be a real coward if I rejected some band that I like simply because I "shouldn't" like them, and decided my music favourites solely based on what critics and other music fans like, right? So Bon Jovi continues to be my secret love... I'll never admit in public that I like them, but once or twice a year I listen to an old Jovi album to get that guilty pleasure. Do you have a similar situation with any band? Hi, aion! How are you? I hope you're doing fine. Ah, I love this topic. :-)) Thanks for opening the thread. It's happened to me so many times, and it still happens. I have a similar situation with a lot of bands, some of which it would be really embarrassing to mention. I have lost count of how many lonely nights I spent as a teenager listening to Bon Jovi's "In These Arms" on the discman while letting myself fall into a deep, platonic and romantic sleep. :))) "Baby I want yooou, like the roses want the rain". There's one by Mick Jagger I listen to up until today: the song is so ridiculously catchy and the lyrics are so absolutely and deliciously lame that I couldn't avoid being hooked on it: it's called "Throwaway". Lo and behold! It's more embarrassing than Bon Jovi could ever get - it's all so lame and deliciously ridiculous. And catchy! The lyrics are priceless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUhn-vUT5Po It's worth listening. :) "I used to play the Casanova, faster than a roller coster..." Hahaha. Hug, Yara |
KillerQueen840 11.05.2009 20:40 |
Guilty pleasures: Joan Jett & The Black Hearts, Dio, Quiet Riot, Poison, and Whitesnake |
queenside 12.05.2009 10:37 |
why would dio be a guilty pleasure? he's considered one of the best metal singers ever and for a good reason. who else can say he (or she) made 3 classic albums with 3 differents bands like dio did with rainbow (rising), sabbath (heaven and hell) and his band dio (holy diver). no one should put dio in the guilty pleasure music, he's nothing like bon jovi (i like some songs), ratt, poison, cinderella or other shit hair metal bands |
Dan C. 12.05.2009 19:23 |
I don't have any 'guilty pleasure' music. If I like something, I like it. No need to feel guilty about it. |
its_a_hard_life 26994 12.05.2009 20:17 |
Dan Corson V: December Boy wrote: I don't have any 'guilty pleasure' music. If I like something, I like it. No need to feel guilty about it.That's like me. |
Saif 13.05.2009 12:29 |
queenside wrote: why would dio be a guilty pleasure? he's considered one of the best metal singers ever and for a good reason. who else can say he (or she) made 3 classic albums with 3 differents bands like dio did with rainbow (rising), sabbath (heaven and hell) and his band dio (holy diver). no one should put dio in the guilty pleasure music, he's nothing like bon jovi (i like some songs), ratt, poison, cinderella or other shit hair metal bands True! Dio is a fucking legend...and don't group Bon Jovi with the hair metal bands... it's an insult to them. :P |
KillerQueen840 13.05.2009 12:51 |
Well, I like Dio, but not many around my area seem to. However, they don't even like my non-guilty pleasure music so I guess you guys have good points.Ah, fuckin' mainstream music these days. At school I have to hear "blame it on the al-al-al-co-hol babay" at least ten times a day and it's enough to make me want to smash a bottle of al-al-al-co-hol over some ditzy bitch's purty fake tan and artifically blonde head. And, for the record, Holy Diver is the one song I listen to to pump me up before going on a great trek. I love it. |
Brian_Mays_Wig 13.05.2009 17:13 |
bROS |
Mr Mercury 13.05.2009 18:06 |
queenside wrote: why would dio be a guilty pleasure? he's considered one of the best metal singers ever and for a good reason. who else can say he (or she) made 3 classic albums with 3 differents bands like dio did with rainbow (rising), sabbath (heaven and hell) and his band dio (holy diver). no one should put dio in the guilty pleasure music, he's nothing like bon jovi (i like some songs), ratt, poison, cinderella or other shit hair metal bands Indeed Dio is not a guilty pleasure at all. I saw the guy on his Holy Diver tour all those years ago. He was superb then as he is now. |
Mr Mercury 13.05.2009 18:13 |
its_a_hard_life wrote:Dan Corson V: December Boy wrote: I don't have any 'guilty pleasure' music. If I like something, I like it. No need to feel guilty about it.That's like me. And the same with me. My mates used to find it funny how I could go from ABBA to Queen to Toyah to Bing Crosby to The Nolans and Thin Lizzy usually one after the other. Its simple really. I like what I like and I couldnt care less what anybody else thinks about that. |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 13.05.2009 18:26 |
Brian_Mays_Wig wrote: bROShahaha! i shall whisper it quietly that i own a copy of their dreadful cd single 'silent night' and quickly back out of this thread... |
GuitarGod_ 16.05.2009 05:00 |
You guys have pretty much said all I wanted to say. I love 80's rock and metal bands like Whitesnake, Bon Jovi, Dokken etc, but I don't feel guilty about it. I do however also have a small liking for Catherdal choir music which I'm not so fond of letting everyone know I like. |
its_a_hard_life 26994 16.05.2009 09:20 |
GuitarGod_ wrote: You guys have pretty much said all I wanted to say. I love 80's rock and metal bands like Whitesnake, Bon Jovi, Dokken etc, but I don't feel guilty about it. I do however also have a small liking for Catherdal choir music which I'm not so fond of letting everyone know I like. Ohhhhhh! I see you like Yngwie Malmsteen?! Yay. :D |
GuitarGod_ 16.05.2009 11:03 |
Yeah I do. Among my favourite genres of music, shred guitar is definitely up there! Even though he's mostly known for his blinding speed, I think people should give his more ballad-type stuff a listen - there's some really good songs there. :P |
aion 18.05.2009 10:08 |
Yara wrote: Hi, aion! How are you? I hope you're doing fine. Ah, I love this topic. :-)) Thanks for opening the thread. It's happened to me so many times, and it still happens. I have a similar situation with a lot of bands, some of which it would be really embarrassing to mention. I have lost count of how many lonely nights I spent as a teenager listening to Bon Jovi's "In These Arms" on the discman while letting myself fall into a deep, platonic and romantic sleep. :))) "Baby I want yooou, like the roses want the rain". There's one by Mick Jagger I listen to up until today: the song is so ridiculously catchy and the lyrics are so absolutely and deliciously lame that I couldn't avoid being hooked on it: it's called "Throwaway". Lo and behold! It's more embarrassing than Bon Jovi could ever get - it's all so lame and deliciously ridiculous. And catchy! The lyrics are priceless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUhn-vUT5Po It's worth listening. :) "I used to play the Casanova, faster than a roller coster..." Hahaha. Hug, Yara Oh man, that Mick Jagger song is terrible! :) |
aion 18.05.2009 10:21 |
Dan Corson V: December Boy wrote: I don't have any 'guilty pleasure' music. If I like something, I like it. No need to feel guilty about it.I wish it was that simple. I always feel that I'm not a "real" music fan because I like Bon Jovi. It's even more embarrassing because I'm a guy and this band has all those sappy, syrupy power ballads which men shouldn't like at all. Bon Jovi is my dark secret. Saif wrote:queenside wrote: why would dio be a guilty pleasure? he's considered one of the best metal singers ever and for a good reason. who else can say he (or she) made 3 classic albums with 3 differents bands like dio did with rainbow (rising), sabbath (heaven and hell) and his band dio (holy diver). no one should put dio in the guilty pleasure music, he's nothing like bon jovi (i like some songs), ratt, poison, cinderella or other shit hair metal bandsTrue! Dio is a fucking legend...and don't group Bon Jovi with the hair metal bands... it's an insult to them. :P Insult to Bon Jovi or insult to hair metal bands? And yeah, I also don't think Dio is guilty pleasure. |
john bodega 18.05.2009 11:03 |
People should be on their knees wishing they were half as great as Dio.... Bon Jovi on the other hand, would better serve mankind if he were sent to Pluto forever. Lost Highway? Do us a favour and stay lost, Mister Jovi... |
aion 18.05.2009 12:10 |
Zebonka12 wrote: People should be on their knees wishing they were half as great as Dio.... Bon Jovi on the other hand, would better serve mankind if he were sent to Pluto forever. Lost Highway? Do us a favour and stay lost, Mister Jovi... I don't have that album as I can't stand any recent BJ albums, but I've heard the song Lost Highway and it's one of the worst songs ever made by anyone... it's so bad it isn't even funny anymore, it's just utterly unlistenable garbage. Of course most people would say that about all Bon Jovi songs, but I still like the old ones. |
john bodega 18.05.2009 12:12 |
Indeed; to be entirely truthful I really don't know any of his old stuff. I know that hearing Lost Highway too many times at my favourite restaurant has made me not want to really know any of his catalogue at all... Not that one stick in the mud like me would make a difference! |
Holly2003 18.05.2009 12:48 |
Guilty pleasure music? Hank Snow and Hank Williams. For those of you under 40 years of age, they are c&w singers. |
aion 18.05.2009 13:59 |
Holly2003 wrote: Guilty pleasure music? Hank Snow and Hank Williams. For those of you under 40 years of age, they are c&w singers. Country music gives me the creeps. |
Holly2003 18.05.2009 15:44 |
aion wrote:Holly2003 wrote: Guilty pleasure music? Hank Snow and Hank Williams. For those of you under 40 years of age, they are c&w singers.Country music gives me the creeps. Me too. |
Saif 19.05.2009 04:59 |
aion wrote:Dan Corson V: December Boy wrote: I don't have any 'guilty pleasure' music. If I like something, I like it. No need to feel guilty about it.I wish it was that simple. I always feel that I'm not a "real" music fan because I like Bon Jovi. It's even more embarrassing because I'm a guy and this band has all those sappy, syrupy power ballads which men shouldn't like at all. Bon Jovi is my dark secret.Saif wrote:Insult to Bon Jovi or insult to hair metal bands? And yeah, I also don't think Dio is guilty pleasure.queenside wrote: why would dio be a guilty pleasure? he's considered one of the best metal singers ever and for a good reason. who else can say he (or she) made 3 classic albums with 3 differents bands like dio did with rainbow (rising), sabbath (heaven and hell) and his band dio (holy diver). no one should put dio in the guilty pleasure music, he's nothing like bon jovi (i like some songs), ratt, poison, cinderella or other shit hair metal bandsTrue! Dio is a fucking legend...and don't group Bon Jovi with the hair metal bands... it's an insult to them. :P Insult to hair metal. |
aion 19.05.2009 06:33 |
Saif wrote:aion wrote:Insult to hair metal.Dan Corson V: December Boy wrote: I don't have any 'guilty pleasure' music. If I like something, I like it. No need to feel guilty about it.I wish it was that simple. I always feel that I'm not a "real" music fan because I like Bon Jovi. It's even more embarrassing because I'm a guy and this band has all those sappy, syrupy power ballads which men shouldn't like at all. Bon Jovi is my dark secret.Saif wrote:Insult to Bon Jovi or insult to hair metal bands? And yeah, I also don't think Dio is guilty pleasure.queenside wrote: why would dio be a guilty pleasure? he's considered one of the best metal singers ever and for a good reason. who else can say he (or she) made 3 classic albums with 3 differents bands like dio did with rainbow (rising), sabbath (heaven and hell) and his band dio (holy diver). no one should put dio in the guilty pleasure music, he's nothing like bon jovi (i like some songs), ratt, poison, cinderella or other shit hair metal bandsTrue! Dio is a fucking legend...and don't group Bon Jovi with the hair metal bands... it's an insult to them. :P That's a bit strange because Bon Jovi practically defines hair metal. It would be very unusual if someone likes hair metal in general but not Bon Jovi. |
Saif 19.05.2009 12:50 |
Bon Jovi is not and never were hair metal. They were just a sleazy hard rock band. I goddamn hate Motley Crue, RATT, Poison, etc. and all those other shit bands of the '80s. They weren't metal either, but MUCH closer to metal than Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi are quite anti-metal, if you ask me. Few people considered Bon Jovi metal even in the 80's. What do you guys think of W.A.S.P.? They were an 80's plain old heavy metal band often mistaken for hair metal. That's partially their fault since they look ridiculous with the glam-influenced make-up and stage outfits. They're big among metal buffs in India but I think they're shit. They rave about the (racist) lead singer Blackie Lawless having a fantastic voice and inhuman vocal range but I don't see it. |
aion 20.05.2009 10:06 |
Saif wrote: Bon Jovi is not and never were hair metal. They were just a sleazy hard rock band. I goddamn hate Motley Crue, RATT, Poison, etc. and all those other shit bands of the '80s. They weren't metal either, but MUCH closer to metal than Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi are quite anti-metal, if you ask me. Few people considered Bon Jovi metal even in the 80's. What do you guys think of W.A.S.P.? They were an 80's plain old heavy metal band often mistaken for hair metal. That's partially their fault since they look ridiculous with the glam-influenced make-up and stage outfits. They're big among metal buffs in India but I think they're shit. They rave about the (racist) lead singer Blackie Lawless having a fantastic voice and inhuman vocal range but I don't see it. Hair metal was not "real" metal, everybody knows that. At the same time when hair bands were popular death metal was being born and thrash bands were on the rise, and the people who listened to Death and Slayer and Obituary definitely didn't listen to Bon Jovi. Hair metal or pop metal or glam metal, all of which are names for the same music style, was pop (/rock) music really. I guess people just thought that hair metal sounds better than "hair rock" or something, and the glam rock of the early 1970s was not to be confused with the new "glam" music of the 80s. Bon Jovi fits perfectly to the hair metal music genre along with Whitesnake, Cinderella, Poison, Def Leppard, Motley Crue and others, but that doesn't mean that I think that Bon Jovi is actually METAL music. Bon Jovi themselves have never called their music metal, whenever they have been asked what genre the music is they have said that it's just rock music. I personally don't hate any band but there are of course many bands that I don't listen to and don't care about (all the 80s' hair bands except Bon Jovi among them). |
queenside 20.05.2009 17:02 |
twisted sister is/was considered glam/hair metal but if you listen to their music they are more like judas priest than ratt/poison/motley crue and all those bands. they really aren't hair metal and people think they are because of their cartoony image and all the make up. but music is what counts and they are really good hard rock band (more than metal) and because of their image people doesn't take them seriously and give them a chance. the same thing happened to queen in the 70's. they were always very visual in presenting themselves so people thought there were no musical substance. it's stupid and only happened because Q and TS put much into their appereance as well as into their music. don't judge the book by its covers |