| Kniggit 04.03.2009 17:47 |
Hello, I found this dvd on the hub, and I think that the quality is amazing. The sound is crisp and clear(I'd give it an A), and the picture is very good (A- ?). There are some screenshots in the folder that you can judge by yourselves. I've had a couple of houston editions before, and the sound in this one is better by miles. I dont have lineage. I have NOT made this dvd, i am only sharing it. All credit goes to the makers. from the info.txt: "Pro Shot 114 minutes Video - NTSC 4:3 720x480 Audio - AC3 2ch 1. We Will Rock You (slow) 2. A Day At The Races (intro) 3. We Will Rock You (fast) 4. Brighton Rock 5. Somebody To Love 6. Death On Two Legs 7. Killer Queen 8. Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy 9. I'm In Love With My Car 10. Get Down Make Love 11. The Millionaire Waltz 12. You're My Best Friend 13. Liar 14. Love Of My Life 15. '39 16. My Melancholy Blues 17. White Man 18. The Prophet's Song 19. Guitar Solo 20. Now I'm Here 21. Stone Cold Crazy 22. Bohemian Rhapsody 23. Keep Yourself Alive 24. Tie Your Mother Down 25. We Will Rock You 26. We Are The Champions 27. Sheer Heart Attack 28. Jailhouse Rock 29. God Save The Queen Cover artwork included This is a big upgrade to any other versions I have had. # MD5 checksums generated by MD5summer (link # Generated 10/9/2007 6:23:17 PM 59221c6b65cb56ab79a108350e8ac941 *VIDEO_TS.BUP 59221c6b65cb56ab79a108350e8ac941 *VIDEO_TS.IFO 684d6ce4fb33413dd04c61b1db593317 *VIDEO_TS.md5 0f633baff56fe3f6d20e8e7c4afb5aa4 *VIDEO_TS.VOB 992825270b9102707fafeaaffb17a9ea *VTS_01_0.BUP 992825270b9102707fafeaaffb17a9ea *VTS_01_0.IFO 020b2afbc044b84b698d6617108d4e19 *VTS_01_1.VOB f09ec4335d761eaef424139f22120a7e *VTS_01_2.VOB 3ddf93c0aaa163a19aa77706e9e20da2 *VTS_01_3.VOB 9211ff9920330d321f9a7a54b36adf30 *VTS_01_4.VOB 2ddbf387bb668d202d4aed00d71d2442 *VTS_01_5.VOB" I will be seeding as much as possible, but i have to go offline from times to times. |
| Kniggit 04.03.2009 18:04 |
added the same screenshots at imageshack link link link |
| dbruce 04.03.2009 18:23 |
Thanks for this - Houston has been one of the 'biggies' that I've never quite got around to seeing. Never seen/heard from the NOTW tour before either. Look forward to seeing this! |
| david (galashiels) 04.03.2009 18:24 |
hey thanks for this. |
| daffy_the_duck 04.03.2009 19:04 |
Just for info, previously shared by YV: http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1015412.html thanks anyway |
| Kniggit 04.03.2009 19:46 |
was that the "definitive houston" version too? are you sure its the same one? i thought that i had downloaded all the previous versions shared on this site. this one has much better audio quality than the ones i've heard before. |
| Marknow 04.03.2009 19:53 |
Kniggit wrote: was that the "definitive houston" version too? are you sure its the same one? i thought that i had downloaded all the previous versions shared on this site. this one has much better audio quality than the ones i've heard before. Post a screenshot of the dvd menu. |
| lalaalalaa 04.03.2009 20:48 |
Thank you for this. I have this same Houston concert but the recording had many cuts between songs (indicating chapter changes). It got really annoying. Plus it is all scratched up, but now I can get a brand new one in better quality!!!! |
| deltazulu 04.03.2009 20:52 |
Just for info, previously shared by YV: link thanks anyway I'm pretty sure this is a different version |
| victor fleitas 04.03.2009 20:58 |
yeah, post a screen of the menu, does this version have still images between some songs? maybe this is a mix o the nice video version, with that exelent flac audio shared here before... |
| pittrek 05.03.2009 01:44 |
deltazulu wrote: Just for info, previously shared by YV: link thanks anyway I'm pretty sure this is a different version No, it's not. This is a f*cked up NTSC conversion from pow-wow's PAL VHS > DVD transfer shared here on rapidshare by me and as a torrent by YourValentine These bastards simply downloaded it, converted to NTSC and now sell it |
| Kniggit 05.03.2009 04:09 |
the menu link |
| Kniggit 05.03.2009 04:10 |
yes it does have some still images between songs |
| deltazulu 05.03.2009 05:36 |
pittrek wrote:deltazulu wrote: Just for info, previously shared by YV: link thanks anyway I'm pretty sure this is a different versionNo, it's not. This is a f*cked up NTSC conversion from pow-wow's PAL VHS > DVD transfer shared here on rapidshare by me and as a torrent by YourValentine These bastards simply downloaded it, converted to NTSC and now sell it I trust your knowledge in these things... but are you sure it's the same audio? |
| onevsion 05.03.2009 06:49 |
A definitive version would be: VHS > 8 mb/s cbr picture + LPCM audio (spread on 2 dvd-r) If I remember correcty I did send "928" ( a member of queenzone) a lossless copy of the Houston audio to make this project a long time ago. Wonder if he's ever going to finish it... |
| pittrek 05.03.2009 07:18 |
deltazulu wrote:pittrek wrote:I trust your knowledge in these things... but are you sure it's the same audio?deltazulu wrote: Just for info, previously shared by YV: link thanks anyway I'm pretty sure this is a different versionNo, it's not. This is a f*cked up NTSC conversion from pow-wow's PAL VHS > DVD transfer shared here on rapidshare by me and as a torrent by YourValentine These bastards simply downloaded it, converted to NTSC and now sell it Hi, I'm not 100% sure. I will try to find both versions and compare them, I've seen this "Definitive Houston" just once when I got it. |
| pittrek 05.03.2009 07:22 |
Ducksoup wrote: A definitive version would be: VHS > 8 mb/s cbr picture + LPCM audio (spread on 2 dvd-r) If I remember correcty I did send "928" ( a member of queenzone) a lossless copy of the Houston audio to make this project a long time ago. Wonder if he's ever going to finish it... That's actually the reason why I stopped doing the same :( I started to work on an identical "project", but I stopped when he promised that he will do it and share it. Later he started to say that it will be only for "elite collectors", and then he disappeared. It looks like I have to return to Houston myself :( |
| on my way up 05.03.2009 08:05 |
pittrek wrote:Ducksoup wrote: A definitive version would be: VHS > 8 mb/s cbr picture + LPCM audio (spread on 2 dvd-r) If I remember correcty I did send "928" ( a member of queenzone) a lossless copy of the Houston audio to make this project a long time ago. Wonder if he's ever going to finish it...That's actually the reason why I stopped doing the same :( I started to work on an identical "project", but I stopped when he promised that he will do it and share it. Later he started to say that it will be only for "elite collectors", and then he disappeared. It looks like I have to return to Houston myself :( Who are those elite collectors? Sometimes they get mentioned but you never see them! |
| onevsion 05.03.2009 08:19 |
pittrek wrote:Did he really say that?Ducksoup wrote: A definitive version would be: VHS > 8 mb/s cbr picture + LPCM audio (spread on 2 dvd-r) If I remember correcty I did send "928" ( a member of queenzone) a lossless copy of the Houston audio to make this project a long time ago. Wonder if he's ever going to finish it...That's actually the reason why I stopped doing the same :( I started to work on an identical "project", but I stopped when he promised that he will do it and share it. Later he started to say that it will be only for "elite collectors", and then he disappeared. It looks like I have to return to Houston myself :( Bastard. I send him a lossless Houston soundboard for free. In return he would share the the 2 dvd project on Queenzone (and send me a copy so I don't had to download it). I'm totally done waiting for this 928 character... Hope you will find the time to make a definitive Houston 77 Peter... |
| onevsion 05.03.2009 08:20 |
on my way up wrote:pittrek wrote:Who are those elite collectors? Sometimes they get mentioned but you never see them!Ducksoup wrote: A definitive version would be: VHS > 8 mb/s cbr picture + LPCM audio (spread on 2 dvd-r) If I remember correcty I did send "928" ( a member of queenzone) a lossless copy of the Houston audio to make this project a long time ago. Wonder if he's ever going to finish it...That's actually the reason why I stopped doing the same :( I started to work on an identical "project", but I stopped when he promised that he will do it and share it. Later he started to say that it will be only for "elite collectors", and then he disappeared. It looks like I have to return to Houston myself :( 928 certainly ain't one of them. |
| Dodger Taylor 05.03.2009 09:14 |
Does this version have song selection? The copy I have just has a basic dvd recorder menu with chapters every 5mins or so.Think I downloaded it here but not sure if this is an uograde on that? |
| Double-U 05.03.2009 09:37 |
Until yesterday I was sure I'm an elite collector but then they told me that my last share on this side was lossy althought it was traded to me as lossless. And "928" never contacted me, so I think I have to think about my status again. [img=/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_down.gif][/img] W. |
| pittrek 05.03.2009 09:58 |
This was the last comment I found from 928 about this topic : link |
| Kniggit 05.03.2009 14:44 |
yes it has song selection |
| Ale Solan 05.03.2009 15:20 |
pittrek wrote:Ducksoup wrote: A definitive version would be: VHS > 8 mb/s cbr picture + LPCM audio (spread on 2 dvd-r) If I remember correcty I did send "928" ( a member of queenzone) a lossless copy of the Houston audio to make this project a long time ago. Wonder if he's ever going to finish it...That's actually the reason why I stopped doing the same :( I started to work on an identical "project", but I stopped when he promised that he will do it and share it. Later he started to say that it will be only for "elite collectors", and then he disappeared. It looks like I have to return to Houston myself :( Sounds like you were scammed by that 928 motherfucker, Pete. I really hope too you have some time to work on a definitive version finally, I wish I have your skills to do it myself (and the spare time) and share it here. |
| Ale Solan 05.03.2009 15:28 |
by the way, you've done a hell of a job with the Earls Court's re-remastering! I fucking love it! looks/sounds awesome! ;-) |
| Saint Jiub 06.03.2009 01:27 |
928 is the only person on QZ that has ever threatened me ... I provoked him by insulting him, and he took it to another level ... I had just shared my copy of Chicago 82 (in flac and mp3 torrents a few years ago?) that I obtained several years before Flac was relatively common (I was told that it was 2nd generation). As I indicated, after I had insulted 928, he edited one of his posts in another topic, and "thanked" me for the torrent and stated that he had my IP address and would "wipe my hard drive" if I ever insulted him again. My point ... in addition to possibly being an unscrupulous trader, I suspect 928 might have an even darker side (although he never attempted to somehow wipe my hard drive). |
| pittrek 06.03.2009 03:50 |
Alex Solan. wrote: by the way, you've done a hell of a job with the Earls Court's re-remastering! I fucking love it! looks/sounds awesome! ;-) Glad you like it. Maybe I upload something similar for next Christmas :-) |
| Dodger Taylor 06.03.2009 05:11 |
Pittrek Im so glad you've not been put off sharing by people like 928.Im sure I speak for alot of people here who really appreciate what you kindly share with us.Its always the best possible quality available and you always help others with your vast knowledge of Queen.Even tho its over 9 months away,Im looking forward to Christmas already.[img=/images/smiley/msn/regular_smile.gif][/img] |
| pow wow 06.03.2009 07:21 |
pittrek wrote:Alex Solan. wrote: by the way, you've done a hell of a job with the Earls Court's re-remastering! I fucking love it! looks/sounds awesome! ;-)Glad you like it. Maybe I upload something similar for next Christmas :-) Agreed!! Nice work. Love to see you have a go at Houston :-) |
| pow wow 06.03.2009 07:28 |
pow wow wrote:pittrek wrote:Agreed!! Nice work. Love to see you have a go at Houston :-). I will get round to posting Buenos Aires and Roger gig (filmed by DoRo) one of these days. Let me get the convention out the way first and I'll see what I can do............................ I can start to understand why collectors hoard items when you see the way wankers like 928 act.Alex Solan. wrote: by the way, you've done a hell of a job with the Earls Court's re-remastering! I fucking love it! looks/sounds awesome! ;-)Glad you like it. Maybe I upload something similar for next Christmas :-) |
| pittrek 06.03.2009 07:58 |
Welcome back man ! Are you talking about THE Buenos Aires gig we started to talk about 2 years ago ? ;-) |
| pow wow 06.03.2009 08:45 |
pittrek wrote: Welcome back man ! Are you talking about THE Buenos Aires gig we started to talk about 2 years ago ? ;-) Hehe cheers. Yeah that one. I WILL get it you within your lifetime ;-), still got your addy. It's not as big as an upgrade as Houston was, existing Buenos Aires copies are pretty good, but again, it's a generation up from whats available. |
| Liar_1980 06.03.2009 15:32 |
Thank you! |
| onevsion 06.03.2009 16:19 |
pow wow wrote:pow wow wrote:pittrek wrote:Agreed!! Nice work. Love to see you have a go at Houston :-). I will get round to posting Buenos Aires and Roger gig (filmed by DoRo) one of these days. Let me get the convention out the way first and I'll see what I can do............................ I can start to understand why collectors hoard items when you see the way wankers like 928 act.Alex Solan. wrote: by the way, you've done a hell of a job with the Earls Court's re-remastering! I fucking love it! looks/sounds awesome! ;-)Glad you like it. Maybe I upload something similar for next Christmas :-) Roger Cologne 94 doro & Queen BA 81 low gen? |
| pow wow 06.03.2009 17:06 |
Ducksoup wrote:pow wow wrote:Roger Cologne 94 doro & Queen BA 81 low gen?pow wow wrote:pittrek wrote:Agreed!! Nice work. Love to see you have a go at Houston :-). I will get round to posting Buenos Aires and Roger gig (filmed by DoRo) one of these days. Let me get the convention out the way first and I'll see what I can do............................ I can start to understand why collectors hoard items when you see the way wankers like 928 act.Alex Solan. wrote: by the way, you've done a hell of a job with the Earls Court's re-remastering! I fucking love it! looks/sounds awesome! ;-)Glad you like it. Maybe I upload something similar for next Christmas :-) You know what, I actually thought it was Kassel, then checked and realised it couldnt have been?!?!? I need to dig it out my mums house to check - been over five years since I looked at it. Yes BA '81 is an upgrade to whats (commonly) out there. All the one's I've seen have in some way been from the QTV version or a not great original 'Canal 9' recording, this is a lower gen than that. Why do'ya ask? |
| Wilki Amieva 07.03.2009 10:56 |
Pow Wow please contact me BEFORE finishing the BA stuff. My e-mail is in my profile. Thanks! |
| bjubb 07.03.2009 11:04 |
Looks Amazing. Thanks!!! |
| deltazulu 07.03.2009 11:38 |
pittrek wrote:deltazulu wrote: Just for info, previously shared by YV: link thanks anyway I'm pretty sure this is a different versionNo, it's not. This is a f*cked up NTSC conversion from pow-wow's PAL VHS > DVD transfer shared here on rapidshare by me and as a torrent by YourValentine These bastards simply downloaded it, converted to NTSC and now sell it Wouldn't it have been NTSC to begin with? |
| onevsion 07.03.2009 11:46 |
pow wow wrote:Ducksoup wrote: Roger Cologne 94 doro & Queen BA 81 low gen?You know what, I actually thought it was Kassel, then checked and realised it couldnt have been?!?!? I need to dig it out my mums house to check - been over five years since I looked at it. Yes BA '81 is an upgrade to whats (commonly) out there. All the one's I've seen have in some way been from the QTV version or a not great original 'Canal 9' recording, this is a lower gen than that. Why do'ya ask? I've asked because I wasn't sure wich Roger video you were talking about (I only knew the Cologne 94 doro video. Was hoping the Doro twins shot some more...) Also, I'm looking forward to a BA upgrade since that one is a great concert IMHO. |
| Ale Solan 07.03.2009 11:54 |
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| Ale Solan 07.03.2009 12:11 |
deltazulu wrote:pittrek wrote:Wouldn't it have been NTSC to begin with?deltazulu wrote: Just for info, previously shared by YV: link thanks anyway I'm pretty sure this is a different versionNo, it's not. This is a f*cked up NTSC conversion from pow-wow's PAL VHS > DVD transfer shared here on rapidshare by me and as a torrent by YourValentine These bastards simply downloaded it, converted to NTSC and now sell it Pete clearly said "pow-wow's PAL VHS" that means the original VHS, copy from the master (I assume) it's PAL format, no matter the format of the original master tape. It doesn't matter if the original tape was NTSC, the only important thing here is that pow wow's tape was in PAL, since we cannot have a direct transfer from the original master tape. |
| deltazulu 07.03.2009 15:07 |
Alex Solan. wrote:deltazulu wrote:Pete clearly said "pow-wow's PAL VHS" that means the original VHS, copy from the master (I assume) it's PAL format, no matter the format of the original master tape. It doesn't matter if the original tape was NTSC, the only important thing here is that pow wow's tape was in PAL, since we cannot have a direct transfer from the original master tape.pittrek wrote:Wouldn't it have been NTSC to begin with?deltazulu wrote: Just for info, previously shared by YV: link thanks anyway I'm pretty sure this is a different versionNo, it's not. This is a f*cked up NTSC conversion from pow-wow's PAL VHS > DVD transfer shared here on rapidshare by me and as a torrent by YourValentine These bastards simply downloaded it, converted to NTSC and now sell it I wasn't referring to Pow wow's copy. All I was saying was... assume the master is NTSC... since it was shot in Houston. |
| Ale Solan 07.03.2009 16:12 |
I know. In this case it doesn't matter the original master is NTSC. No need to convert again to NTSC if pow-wow's tape it was in PAL. The less we convert the bloody tape, the better. No need to keep fucking that video up, don't you think? ;-) |
| deltazulu 07.03.2009 18:33 |
Alex Solan. wrote: I know. In this case it doesn't matter the original master is NTSC. No need to convert again to NTSC if pow-wow's tape it was in PAL. The less we convert the bloody tape, the better. No need to keep fucking that video up, don't you think? ;-)I understand exactly what you are saying. I'm not suggesting converting again was a good idea. All I'm saying is it's not a PAL recording. It's already been converted once. Screwing with video is not for amateurs. I've seen some great jobs done improving quality. Snivlle's remaster of Earl's Court is a good example. But I've also seen vintage Bowie and Rush shows... where I prefer the originals, warts and all, compared to what was lost trying to make them better. |
| victor fleitas 13.03.2009 00:37 |
so... how this discussion ended? is or not this version better than the one shared before? |
| deltazulu 13.03.2009 12:37 |
It depends on how much of a purist you are. To sum upl... this one is an NTSC conversion of the PAL version that was seeded here before. If that's the case there is no improvement. But there's also a suggestion that the audio may be improved. But there's still no one who has definitively said whether that is in fact the case. |
| Ale Solan 13.03.2009 13:12 |
You all should ask for a reesed of this version: http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1029072.html Menu, chapters plus LPCM MONO AUDIO |
| Ale Solan 13.03.2009 14:35 |
since Queenzone is working like shit today and I can't edit or quote posts, disregard the post above, here is the right link: http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1029072.html |
| pittrek 13.03.2009 15:24 |
Hi guys, I just cam back to this thread after a while. The video on Steve's PAL tape has visible ghosting and was recorded in the USA so we can assume it was originally NTSC. BUT - this ghosting is also on the "master" which is in the Queen vaults, as you can see it in every documentary where Houston footage is used, which means that also they have this PAL version. It clearly depends on what you consider a "master". Was it possible in 1977 to use PAL recording equipment in an NTSC environment ? That's an honest question, I was born in 1981 :) If no, it's logical to assume that it was taped on a NTSC tape and converted to PAL and this PAL tape is in Queen archives now, and is used for all documentaries. So there should exist also an NTSC tape, or ? But if you check the NTSC documentaries, all are using the PAL source converted to NTSC ! So what's the truth ? I don't know :) Maybe it was recorded as NTSC, but it looks like ALL existing copies of this footage (both PAL and NTSC) are coming from various copies of the PAL tape(s). Sorry for the over-reacting on first page, but I spend a lot of time to re-create original video frames of various footages (removing scan lines, ghosting etc. everywhere where possible) so I'm slightly "sensitive" :) BTW even most of these trading sites / communities strictly forbid sharing re-converted footage. Simply because unless you know what exactly are you doing you can do more damage then you can imagine. Of course I didn't want in anyway to discourage anybody from downloading this, sorry if I did. |
| deltazulu 13.03.2009 17:28 |
since Queenzone is working like shit today and I can't edit or quote posts, disregard the post above, here is the right link: link it's a good version. it takes the audio from the PAL version and increases the volume. you can read the debate on whether it's true lpcm. the version seeding here is good as well... just depends on whether or not you care that it was converted to NTSC. |
| Ale Solan 13.03.2009 19:13 |
after checking my version -one of the best I have, I have several Houston versions- I've discovered that it has no LPCM sound unlike it's stated on the menu so... I suggest y'all to stick to this version or the best seeded in that matter ;-) The definitive version it will be a true loseless mono taken from a low gen tape, DVD9 (that's all we have, unless someonee finds a true stereo multitrack source) I think Pete it's our unsung hero for that purpose! hehe ;-P |
| onevsion 13.03.2009 22:32 |
I have a true lossless low gen audio. I send queenzone user "928" a copy so he could make the definitive Houston dvd. Maybe Pittrek can make a definitive Houston dvd? I'm happy to donate the lossless audio once more for that project. Unlike "928" I know Pittrek keeps his word. |
| victor fleitas 13.03.2009 23:15 |
I know its much to ask... but, can you upload your lossless low gen amazing audio? [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] |
| onevsion 14.03.2009 11:21 |
I'd rather donate it to Pittrek. He can use it to make a lossless Houston dvd. That dvd can be shared here and in the end we all have what we want. Right? |
| Ale Solan 14.03.2009 11:57 |
Oh yes, thanks in advance to Ducksoup and Pete ;-) |
| Ale Solan 14.03.2009 11:57 |
I know Pete can do a wonderfull job with Houston! |
| pittrek 14.03.2009 12:45 |
Ducksoup - I'm just an e-mail away :) |
| victor fleitas 14.03.2009 13:33 |
Oh yeah! I can See a great share coming on! [img=/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_up.gif][/img] thanks! |
| onevsion 14.03.2009 14:20 |
For some reason the quote function on this forum ain't working (again). So, Pittrek: check your e-mail! :-) |
| batfriend 14.03.2009 18:33 |
Just for some clarity: A "Master" for the Houston show in '77 would have been NTSC because the taping was not a Queen video production for a PAL broadcast or endeavor but rather an agreement with the facility in Houston during that year with all performances that year. All concerts that played there during that time agreed to be taped. I don't remember much more of the particulars but this is the very reason why such other bands of that year were taped at this same facility and in the same manner (stills between songs being the most common practice). A major example of this was the Kiss '77 Houston show (now available on their Kissology release) and the circulating Eagles concert from this period. Whether it was 1/2 inch or 3/4 inch tape remains to be seen but rest assured it wasn't VHS. Sorry for the spotty information but I'm trying to recall what was more common knowledge in the early 80's of these Houston concert videos leaking out. |
| queenside 15.03.2009 06:57 |
aerosmith also has a concert filmed in that period |
| pittrek 15.03.2009 07:12 |
Batfriend - I agree, but do you have any evidence that REAL NTSC version still exists ? Because as I wrote all NTSC versions I have seen are converted from PAL |
| deltazulu 15.03.2009 14:13 |
The NTSC original. We may never see it if it does exist. The quality of the show that has surfaced in the last two years is light years above the one full of lines that everyone used to have. Most of these Houston shows are fabulous but we'll never see broadcast quality copies for some reason. The Eagles show and the Aerosmith concert are both brilliantly flawed. (Especially the poor Aerosmith show... someone should have shown the guitar players the parts before they went on!) And those stills between songs are annoying. Just goes to show how important they are that people are so interested. It would be nice to find out what the sources are for the copies that did leak out. |
| batfriend 18.03.2009 11:56 |
pittrek wrote: "Batfriend - I agree, but do you have any evidence that REAL NTSC version still exists ? Because as I wrote all NTSC versions I have seen are converted from PAL" pittrek, I was simply stating it in a historical context for those who might not be aware of the various concert tapes that have come from the Summit and not as a lead to source material for better copies or as a counter statement or challenge to your prior observation. But you know that. :) Yep, the current stuff all seems to be coming from one PAL source or another. Some rambling thoughts and observations on the subject of the original source material: Although there is no evidence of the original NTSC tape is still in existence or a direct NTSC copy from it doesn't change how the basketball arena handled their concerts back then. They would have shot it with the same gear they shot all the other concerts and it would have been NTSC. They wouldn't have flip flopped between PAL and NTSC depending on where the band came from. A PAL copy was more than likely made for the band or rather their produciton company/ management either then or possibly later when they were compiling footage for their various 80's compilations such as Greatest Flix, Magic Years, or Rare Live. But I have to think (IMHO) that the current copies come from a later copy than the one used for Greatest Flix because that footage suffers from a pretty bad conversion from the get go. But such was the technology floating around then. It's not like the slick exotic stuff we have today. Yes, it would be nice to find out who ended up with the original tape(s) and hope it still exists. Since the Summit was owned by the city of Houston, there is probably public records of the contracts for the venue and the video company who was probably contracted for the events for 1977. It would even be possible for the library of tapes to be part of the city archives (no evidence or claim but thinking out loud as to common city practices). The city has been leasing the place as a Church since 2003 but still owns the facility. Or somebody could ask Bri (just kidding). ;) |
| The Real Wizard 18.03.2009 12:49 |
That is one of the best posts QZ has ever seen. Thank you for your insight. It is surely a breath of fresh air, amongst all the "seed, I need torrent" posts from people who don't seem to understand that there is a process by which recordings make their way from the source to collectors and eventually websites like this. |
| deltazulu 18.03.2009 17:49 |
I had a dream. I drempt that some municipal civil servant in Houston has a box of the original videotapes made of all these bands in the 70s collecting dust under his desk... and he's just waiting for one of us to chase him down and arrange to digitize them! (Oh crap!!! I woke up!) |
| Yara 18.03.2009 18:27 |
Lol. Wake up soooon!!! The municipality doesn't hold neither the tape nor any contract related to the gig because, even supposing it was a written contract, which it wasn't, it's been more than 30 years and, of course, the municipality has to re-arrange and revamp the archives, and the less important files, such as these, get disposed of - I thought it was just another Brazilian peculiarity, so to speak, but when I was the second time in the U.S and wanted to make some researches and needed to get some documents, I discovered it was exactly the same way. Of course, if one filled such a request to the municipality he'd be screamed out of the place by the civil servants, that's for sure. lol The point being that me and many other people would like to see Queen release the concert, because nowadays, after the arrival of high-definition tv and surrounding sound, I just don't feel like watching the usual dvds anymore, let alone an old, bad-sounding one. Youtube is great to get an idea of something or have some laughs, but that's it. That's how I feel about watching DVDs nowadays. Anyway, the problem is: Brian is adamant about not releasing this concert. Many people either talked to him, mailed him or approached Jim and the answer is always the same: they will not release it. The reason given being problems with the audio, especially the piano and the piano mic. Personally, I think it's a polite way of saying - I don't want it released, let it go, I have other ideas in mind. For me it's a bit pointless, really. There have been here for years versions of this concert being illegaly sold in markets or specialized stores, and those who want to sell it and are, so to speak, professional in the business, do a lot of enhancements in the material, no doubt. And that's one of the reasons, I think, why Brian wouldn't like to see it released now - his work is being literally stolen and sold all over the world. It's useless to put an advertisement saying: "Only for personal use". People know that this isn't a magic phrase and I always suppose that there will be people wanting to make gains with it or based on it. One can't be so naive as to think no one will take the material and bootleg it, especially nowadays with all these technologies. I think Queenzone is great as a way of having fun, listening to different concerts of the band, but I think it should be focused not on trading or collecting, but listening, and making it harder, either by streaming or other technique, for people to keep the material to themselves. I also want to say I'm the only one who thinks like this in QZ - hahaha - so, really, no need to take it more serious than it is - just a personal view. A personal view which is not, let's say, SHARED by anyone on QZ, so please don't shoot the messenger of his own private message. :-) Best regards you all! |
| deltazulu 19.03.2009 03:42 |
I agree that a high quality listening experience over the net would be a fine alternative to trading unreleased material. As you say... someone would spoil it. |
| zone96 21.03.2009 05:02 |
Thank you for this great share in great quality, this the best version i have never saw!!! |
| dammatt 21.03.2009 10:24 |
Many thanks for this great concert. I haven't watched it yet but it looks like it is going to be better than the versions I already have. So well worth while. |
| tgunn2760 23.03.2009 19:28 |
If I remember correctly, this DVD is supposed to be a Japanese pressed disc that people suspected came from the PAL that was upped at QZ which I took, extracted the audio, converted to mono wav as per Sir GH's instructions, and upped to QZ again after I doubled the volume. The suspicions were that the DVD that I upped was converted to NTSC. That would explain the AC3 crisp audio and the quality video, which in my opinion had to have come from the PAL DVD that was upped here first. Can everyone follow that? PAL DVD with AC3 audio-very low audio > tgunn-extract audio to wav > delete one channel > double volume > up to QZ > Japanese download it > convert to NTSC > sell on Ebay> LOL |
| The Real Wizard 24.03.2009 00:01 |
tgunn2760 wrote: extracted the audio, converted to mono wav as per Sir GH's instructions, and upped to QZ again after I doubled the volume. PAL DVD with AC3 audio-very low audio > tgunn-extract audio to wav > delete one channel > double volume > up to QZ > Japanese download it > convert to NTSC > sell on Ebay> LOL I really wish you hadn't doubled the volume, because it distorts on White Man and the the guitar solo. Is there any way you could do another version with the volume at the original level, or maybe raised to a lesser extent? |
| tgunn2760 24.03.2009 00:36 |
Sir GH wrote:tgunn2760 wrote: extracted the audio, converted to mono wav as per Sir GH's instructions, and upped to QZ again after I doubled the volume. PAL DVD with AC3 audio-very low audio > tgunn-extract audio to wav > delete one channel > double volume > up to QZ > Japanese download it > convert to NTSC > sell on Ebay> LOLI really wish you hadn't doubled the volume, because it distorts on White Man and the the guitar solo. Is there any way you could do another version with the volume at the original level, or maybe raised to a lesser extent? I will have to check to see if I have the original seed, but I do believe Pittrek said he would do an upgrade, so, if there is a lossless audio source out there, he could combine it with the video from this, it's the best I've seen. |
| The Real Wizard 24.03.2009 03:02 |
The lossless audio has a big hum in the background, so my vote still goes for yours. |
| pittrek 24.03.2009 03:15 |
Sir GH wrote: The lossless audio has a big hum in the background, so my vote still goes for yours. Yeah, I remember this. Also that the lossless recording has some small cuts here and there |
| Eeeeooooh 25.03.2009 04:38 |
Hi Fokls, i burn the dvd, i show the vob-file on the computer,,,, the conccert is not playing for long time. show the song "Somebody to love", the concert stopped. Download was good but the concert is not full playing. |
| felipes99 26.03.2009 07:42 |
WOW THIS SITE IS COOL !!!! AMAZING STUFF GRACIASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ! FROM CHILEAN'S FRIENDS ! |
| mric! 30.03.2009 07:46 |
Hi, Thank you very much for sharing this great concert ! No problem to play it for me. |
| joca 30.03.2009 09:32 |
Thank you ! |
| eYe 30.03.2009 11:41 |
This looks exactly like the version currently seeded at JTT: Queen - Houston 1977 Definitive Silver http://www.jamtothis.com/showthread.php?p=135112 Anyway, I'm really looking forward to next chrismas... Thank you all ! |
| tgunn2760 30.03.2009 13:01 |
Sir GH wrote: The lossless audio has a big hum in the background, so my vote still goes for yours. I have it. I will need to extract the audio and delete one channel, and then find the time to author it. Do you have goldwave Bob? I may need instructions on how to delete the one channel, I can't remember how I did it last time. I also need instructions on how to rip to elementary streams with Decrypter. Is this version distorted? I am quite confident that the AC3 audio of this came from the version I did. |
| The Real Wizard 30.03.2009 18:57 |
In GoldWave simply copy one channel and paste it on top of the other, and don't increase the volume afterward. There should be a button the toolbar that selects one channel at a time. As far as I remember, only White Man and The Prophet's song are distorted. For some reason they are louder than the rest of the show, and after the volume increase they clipped and became distorted. As for Decrpyter, I haven't used it myself, but ripping a DVD shouldn't be an overly difficult thing to do. So I assume you still have the original version that was shared here? |
| tgunn2760 30.03.2009 21:10 |
Sir GH wrote: In GoldWave simply copy one channel and paste it on top of the other, and don't increase the volume afterward. There should be a button the toolbar that selects one channel at a time. As far as I remember, only White Man and The Prophet's song are distorted. For some reason they are louder than the rest of the show, and after the volume increase they clipped and became distorted. As for Decrpyter, I haven't used it myself, but ripping a DVD shouldn't be an overly difficult thing to do. So I assume you still have the original version that was shared here? Ripping a DVD is not the same as ripping to elementary streams or demuxing. I still have the original seed, but the volume is way too low. It has to be adjusted.So what I can do is extract the audio to WAV, reduce to MONO, upload the audio to rapidshare, have you download it and increase the volume so it doesn't distort, you then up it to rapidshare, send me the link and I can add it to the video I will rip and then author. How does this sound? |
| The Real Wizard 31.03.2009 10:07 |
Sounds great to me! But could you try either mediafire or megaupload? Those are much faster for downloading. |
| tgunn2760 02.04.2009 03:40 |
Sir GH wrote: Sounds great to me! But could you try either mediafire or megaupload? Those are much faster for downloading. Yup, now I need instructions on how to delete one channel in goldwave. I don't remember how I did it last time. One channel has to be deleted, the video is 3.4 GB, the two channel wav is 1.2 GB, half of it would fit nicely on a DVD5 |
| The Real Wizard 02.04.2009 10:42 |
I'm no DVD expert, so I can help you with the first half. First you make sure you've selected the entire WAV file, and click on the channel select button, thus: http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4184/step1.jpg Edit/Copy. Then click on the channel button again. http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1521/step2.jpg Edit/Replace. |
| pittrek 02.04.2009 11:21 |
I can try to help with the first part. 1. Download PGCEdit from e.g. link 2. In "Input IFO" select the correct IFO file on the DVD 3. In "Output Folder " select a directory on a hard disc drive with enough space 4. Check all boxes except "Create a PGC VOB" and maybe without "Demux video stream" if you don't need the video 5. Click OK 6. Download BeSweet and beLight - link and link 7. Run BeLight, "drag and drop", select WAV/PCM as target and click on Start! |
| tgunn2760 02.04.2009 13:37 |
My goldwav version is different from yours Bob, so I played with it like this and I think it worked: I clicked EDIT, CHANNELS, selected LEFT, deleted it, then selected RIGHT, and saved as QueenMono.wav The new file is 573 MBs, old one was 1.12 GB So I will up it and have you increase the volume Bob, you cannot keep the same volume it is way too low. |
| The Real Wizard 02.04.2009 14:07 |
Ok, so it sounds like you just deleted one channel and you've got a mono file left over. Your DVD software probably won't recognize that, as the standard is 16 bit 44khz stereo. So I'll just duplicate the channel, making a stereo file, but the content itself will remain mono... and I'll normalize the volume. |
| tgunn2760 02.04.2009 15:13 |
Sir GH wrote: Ok, so it sounds like you just deleted one channel and you've got a mono file left over. Your DVD software probably won't recognize that, as the standard is 16 bit 44khz stereo. So I'll just duplicate the channel, making a stereo file, but the content itself will remain mono... and I'll normalize the volume. Tsunami did recognize it, I think you said the original audio was mono, so the stereo AC3 was really just mono duplicated. I am upping the audio now. |
| The Real Wizard 02.04.2009 15:29 |
tgunn2760 wrote: Tsunami did recognize it, I think you said the original audio was mono, so the stereo AC3 was really just mono duplicated. Indeed... so half the file size will make this all the more easier. Good then! |
| tgunn2760 02.04.2009 22:29 |
Here's the link: link Are you planning to remaster the audio or just increase the volume slightly? |
| The Real Wizard 03.04.2009 00:15 |
tgunn2760 wrote: Here's the link: link Are you planning to remaster the audio or just increase the volume slightly? It looks and sounds perfect on my end. Look at the size of the wave (I've isolated WWRY at the end of the show): http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/13/houstonwwry.jpg I'm not going to touch it. I say burn it as is. :-) |
| Kniggit 03.04.2009 03:40 |
wow, that sounds nice, i'm really looking forward to the finished product :). The houston show is one of my favs thanks! |
| tgunn2760 03.04.2009 13:23 |
Sir GH wrote:tgunn2760 wrote: Here's the link: link Are you planning to remaster the audio or just increase the volume slightly?It looks and sounds perfect on my end. Look at the size of the wave (I've isolated WWRY at the end of the show): http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/13/houstonwwry.jpg I'm not going to touch it. I say burn it as is. :-) OK I will...and up it here... |
| The Real Wizard 03.04.2009 13:49 |
tgunn2760 wrote:Sir GH wrote:OK I will...and up it here...tgunn2760 wrote: Here's the link: link Are you planning to remaster the audio or just increase the volume slightly?It looks and sounds perfect on my end. Look at the size of the wave (I've isolated WWRY at the end of the show): http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/13/houstonwwry.jpg I'm not going to touch it. I say burn it as is. :-) Perfect. Looking forward to (what's hopefully) the final version. |
| deltazulu 03.04.2009 15:23 |
Me 2! |
| deleted user 04.04.2009 05:22 |
So the idea is to demux the pal version and use womble or the likes to replace the audio with this wav file as it is?? |
| pittrek 04.04.2009 06:27 |
SirGH - this sounds actually like the version I've sent you, or ? :) |
| The Real Wizard 04.04.2009 12:21 |
pittrek wrote: SirGH - this sounds actually like the version I've sent you, or ? :) Yours is lossless, but it has a hum in the background... listen carefully in headphones. The one here, although it's not lossless, doesn't have the hum, so it sounds better to my ears. |
| onevsion 05.04.2009 06:05 |
So now a "final version" is being made with lossy audio? Correct me if I'm wrong but that wouldn't be a final version in my opinion. |
| deltazulu 05.04.2009 07:03 |
Lets call it the best available version. I'm so looking forward to it. A truly great show. I really appreciate all the effort everyone is putting into making the best possible copy. |
| deleted user 05.04.2009 08:41 |
I've seen and heard some pretty crap 'lossless' material. Some people however consider it to be superior no matter what the arguement. I personally think some things either look or sound better, despite theory suggesting otherwise. |
| The Real Wizard 05.04.2009 12:25 |
Ducksoup wrote: So now a "final version" is being made with lossy audio?Correct me if I'm wrong but that wouldn't be a final version in my opinion.The audio was taken from the original DVD that was shared here, with one channel removed as per the discussion above. It's only "lossy" in the sense that it was 113 minutes on a single DVD, as opposed to being spread over two discs. It's not like it has been compressed like an mp3. This version will be like the last share by tgunn, except the audio won't clip and distort in a couple of the songs. To my ears it's much better than the version with the hum in the background. If any ears think they can hear some kind of compression in the sound and will still complain, then they're welcome to track down a better version and, of course, share it here. |
| onevsion 05.04.2009 12:48 |
OK. Thanks for explaining (again maybe, sorry for that! :-) ) Now it DOES make sence to me. Looking forward to the "hum"- free version :-) |
| tgunn2760 05.04.2009 19:08 |
OK before I seed it, have a look at the menus and let me know if there any errors, spelling etc. Thanks. |
| tgunn2760 05.04.2009 19:09 |
Menu 2 |
| tgunn2760 05.04.2009 19:09 |
Menu 3 |
| tgunn2760 05.04.2009 19:10 |
Menu 4 |
| The Real Wizard 05.04.2009 21:28 |
Looks great to me. Nice pictures for the menus, too. Are they from a specific date? |
| tgunn2760 05.04.2009 23:24 |
Sir GH wrote: Looks great to me. Nice pictures for the menus, too. Are they from a specific date? 1, 3 and 4 look like Houston to me, but I could be wrong. I have no idea where 2 came from. |
| queenside 06.04.2009 16:30 |
tgunn and sirGH should be working for queen productions cos they are fans themselves and they know wha fans want. also pittrek falls in this category (he's work on earls court was amazing!). you guys are doing great with your limited "home" technology. imagine what would those guys acomplish if they have queen vault in their hands and all the remastering technology available as those people in QP. |
| tgunn2760 10.04.2009 03:42 |
pittrek wrote:Ducksoup wrote: A definitive version would be: VHS > 8 mb/s cbr picture + LPCM audio (spread on 2 dvd-r) If I remember correcty I did send "928" ( a member of queenzone) a lossless copy of the Houston audio to make this project a long time ago. Wonder if he's ever going to finish it...That's actually the reason why I stopped doing the same :( I started to work on an identical "project", but I stopped when he promised that he will do it and share it. Later he started to say that it will be only for "elite collectors", and then he disappeared. It looks like I have to return to Houston myself :( There is a good reason why he disappeared. Read below: link |
| pittrek 10.04.2009 04:10 |
That's really bad news [img=/images/smiley/msn/sad_smile.gif][/img] |
| Butterslybutts 13.04.2009 17:15 |
Very sad to hear, indeed. My condolences to Annie, KK's family & friends. Rest in Noise... |
| deltazulu 13.04.2009 20:48 |
wow...that's really sad. i did a lot of chatting with koolkat at trader's den when i first started trading. he was great to deal with. |
| Queenfan1995 19.04.2009 03:11 |
thank you |
| Queenfan1995 19.04.2009 15:02 |
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| motleyhoople 03.05.2009 14:02 |
queenside wrote: aerosmith also has a concert filmed in that period I think that this contact between the Houston Summit and the performers who appeared there agreeing to be filmed must have been in effect well before 1977. There is a great Who show in circulation from 1976, and a KISS show from their Destroyer tour (1975?), as well as the two later KISS shows from 1977. Journey also has an official DVD release of their appearance there in 1978. |
| Benn 11.06.2009 06:17 |
Awesome work and care being done to this great show. IMO it's the last of the truly great Queen shows / tours - from here on in it all became so predictable...... Is this definitive version now downloadable from the original link at the start of the thread or is there now a new one? The Who's show from Houston Summit is actually from 1975 - first show of that Winter tour. Incidentally, this show was owned by a friend of mine in the US and the copy in circulation is NOT the full show; what exists is a copy of the masters with an edit in order to trace who copies were made for on the understanding that this would not leak into the wider market. |
| leoslayer 21.10.2009 01:23 |
please seed for me thanks so much guys |
| leoslayer 21.10.2009 01:23 |
please seed for me thanks so much guys |
| AlexakaRosco 02.11.2009 19:27 |
Please someone seed for me, guys! Thanks! |
| goa 03.11.2009 07:41 |
I'm I going to sound perseverative for some people...but I hope some day someone here made a mix of the best video source availible (i know "best" here means "not the worst" :lol: ) and the great audio SBD aready sahred. |
| L. J. Mercury 04.02.2010 23:11 |
Can anybody seed please? Thanks :D |
| Mr. Bulsara 13.03.2010 18:29 |
Hello. Any seeders there? this thing is stuck. Thanks |
| Ginger01 14.03.2010 04:56 |
I'm seeding, and so is someone else. Good download and hopefully you will complete soon! :) |
| tepeskeli 21.10.2010 01:46 |
Hello Ginger, still got this one? I've only have the crappy version without the menu and the video has chapters in 5-6 minutes or so. I'd love to have this 'Definitive' version of this concert. Please seed this, I'd appriciate it a lot! |
| Ginger01 21.10.2010 16:01 |
I do indeed, and someone else does as well, it seems. So hopefully you will download this one quickly! Enjoy :) |
| tepeskeli 22.10.2010 00:46 |
Thank you so much, so generous of you! This one is 'only' 3.88 GB, so it should download pretty quickly, I think. You're amazing, couldn't thank you enough! |
| tepeskeli 22.10.2010 14:59 |
Wow, this is way much better quality than the one I already had. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Ginger! |
| Dave2843 20.02.2011 13:44 |
Thank you very much for this wonderful show. Is there any chance one of you lovely Queenies could seed it for me please ? Thank you darlings ! Dave |
| Dave2843 21.02.2011 07:50 |
Thank you to all you wonderful people for seeding. Thank you to the original uploader too. I am looking forward to watching this concert. cheers my dears Dave |
| Yawara 07.01.2012 02:56 |
Thanks Kniggit for this Anyone could seed please?? Is this the best avalaible Houston 77 dvd version?? I've found here a number of different, but not clear to me what is the best ...this 04 Mar 09 Kniggit version??...02 Jul 07 YourValentine version??.....20 Dec 09 seba_979??...20 Nov 07 Pittrek??...07 Aug 07 tgunn2760??? Many thanks in adavance |
| Sue Dounim 29.11.2014 03:23 |
Wow, what a thread! Really great read, very interesting and insightful. I dunno why, but learning the history on these recordings is always intriguing to me. Also, has anything come about with that Buenos Aires '81 upgrade mentioned a few pages back? I love this show but that QTV logo is just too damn distracting. |
| freddie46871 30.03.2015 01:23 |
seed please thank you |
| Mhasting5 22.01.2019 16:19 |
Hi all,can someone post a new working link for this please,thank you kindly ?? |
| MackMantilla 22.01.2019 17:22 |
soon I'll post a Blu-ray edition with some extras |
