| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 13:46 |
Anyone else agree that these are the days of our lives feels like its unfinished? its so empty and lacking something, thats why we improved it: link |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.02.2009 13:54 |
Unfinished? You must be joking. So, you ruined the intro with a few gratuitous (and utterly useless) piano notes, and you copied the synth-pad track on digital piano and mixed that onto the track. The only thing you managed to achieve was a complete destruction of the serene spaciousness of the track. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 13:55 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: Unfinished? You must be joking. no it feels unfinished, as if things are missing instrumentally. |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.02.2009 13:58 |
Treasure Moment wrote:ThomasQuinn wrote: Unfinished? You must be joking.no it feels unfinished, as if things are missing instrumentally. You added nothing except for a carbon copy of the synth pads and a few chord-tones in the intro! |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 14:04 |
ThomasQuinn wrote:Treasure Moment wrote:You added nothing except for a carbon copy of the synth pads and a few chord-tones in the intro!ThomasQuinn wrote: Unfinished? You must be joking.no it feels unfinished, as if things are missing instrumentally. Its like 2 new instruments added, i know it already has some strings but you can barely hear them, that "nothing" does ALOT for this song, its strings plus piano AND a whole new piano solo. |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.02.2009 14:06 |
...which does nothing except thicken the orchestration. And your 'solo' consists of a few unimaginative chord-tones. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 14:09 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: ...which does nothing except thicken the orchestration. And your 'solo' consists of a few unimaginative chord-tones. yes it thickens it and thats the point, as for the solo i dont care what you say, it fits the song perfectly, my brother did that. |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.02.2009 14:15 |
Treasure Moment wrote:ThomasQuinn wrote: ...which does nothing except thicken the orchestration. And your 'solo' consists of a few unimaginative chord-tones.yes it thickens it and thats the point, as for the solo i dont care what you say, it fits the song perfectly, my brother did that. Thickening the orchestration serves no purpose whatsoever here, as there is no thinly orchestrated section to contrast it to. Disregarding for a moment that the synth strings and piano take up roughly the same section of the acoustic spectrum here (and thus drown each other out), the added piano track would have little or no perceptible result. You seem to think that anything that sounds consonant and boring suits the song, and you obsessively tell us that you are sheer genius, but you still come up with the same kind of junk as a year ago. You are not improving, if only because you are too arrogant to learn from anything or anyone. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 14:18 |
ThomasQuinn wrote:Treasure Moment wrote:Thickening the orchestration serves no purpose whatsoever here, as there is no thinly orchestrated section to contrast it to. Disregarding for a moment that the synth strings and piano take up roughly the same section of the acoustic spectrum here (and thus drown each other out), the added piano track would have little or no perceptible result. You seem to think that anything that sounds consonant and boring suits the song, and you obsessively tell us that you are sheer genius, but you still come up with the same kind of junk as a year ago. You are not improving, if only because you are too arrogant to learn from anything or anyone.ThomasQuinn wrote: ...which does nothing except thicken the orchestration. And your 'solo' consists of a few unimaginative chord-tones.yes it thickens it and thats the point, as for the solo i dont care what you say, it fits the song perfectly, my brother did that. Say what you want, all that matters is that i KNOW that it makes the song alot better, its about feeling, the song was empty as it was. |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.02.2009 14:22 |
And with those words, you again condemn yourself to a life of mediocrity. You just refuse to be the least bit critical of yourself, and that is the worst trait a musician could possibly have. |
| cmsdrums 22.02.2009 14:31 |
To me, TATDOOL (along with, let's be frank, virtually all of Queen's catalogue) is perfect in it's arrangement, production, and thought as to what is and isn't in the final mix. Whether any of us actually like specific songs is however always open to questions of personal preference, but the view that this track, or any others, are not complete arrangement-wise simply cannot be justified. I haven't listened to your mix, but don't need to know that it doesn't improve on the original - the most that you could say about it is that it is a different version/mix. |
| Marcos Napier 22.02.2009 14:33 |
Say what you want, all that matters is that i KNOW that it makes the song alot better, its about feeling, the song was empty as it was. I heard they are looking for a replacement for Paul. You should apply. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 14:36 |
cmsdrums wrote: To me, TATDOOL (along with, let's be frank, virtually all of Queen's catalogue) is perfect in it's arrangement, production, and thought as to what is and isn't in the final mix. Whether any of us actually like specific songs is however always open to questions of personal preference, but the view that this track, or any others, are not complete arrangement-wise simply cannot be justified. I haven't listened to your mix, but don't need to know that it doesn't improve on the original - the most that you could say about it is that it is a different version/mix. check it out, trust me its better than the original and remember that is the only song i think is unfinished. |
| Negative Creep 22.02.2009 14:57 |
If you think you've improved the song it in any way, you're delusional. I have a feeling the band had a better idea how they wanted the song to sound.... than you! I'm also pretty sure no ones gives a fuck whether you think the song is unfinished. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 15:00 |
Negative Creep wrote: If you think you've improved the song it in any way, you're delusional. I have a feeling the band had a better idea how they wanted the song to sound.... than you! I'm also pretty sure no ones gives a fuck whether you think the song is unfinished. and im sure no one gives a fuck what you think either specially when you know shit about music and what can be improved or not. |
| Negative Creep 22.02.2009 15:01 |
Well, I'm real sure lots of people are listening to "your" music. Maybe Brian should start getting in touch with you, so you can help improve all his recordings for him! |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 15:05 |
Negative Creep wrote: Well, I'm real sure lots of people are listening to "your" music. Maybe Brian should start getting in touch with you, so you can help improve all his recordings for him! im just talking about this particular song, it feels unfinished. |
| onevsion 22.02.2009 15:21 |
Treasure Moment wrote: Anyone else agree that these are the days of our lives feels like its unfinished? its so empty and lacking something, thats why we improved it: link hahaha... funny guy. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 15:25 |
Ducksoup wrote:Treasure Moment wrote: Anyone else agree that these are the days of our lives feels like its unfinished? its so empty and lacking something, thats why we improved it: linkhahaha... funny guy. Not really, just telling facts. |
| Raf 22.02.2009 15:37 |
Paul Rodgers improves Queen songs. You ruin them. |
| dobo 22.02.2009 15:40 |
one word CRAP is how I would describe what you have done to a musical masterpiece |
| david (galashiels) 22.02.2009 15:40 |
days was fine the way it was. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 15:45 |
dobo wrote: one word CRAP is how I would describe what you have done to a musical masterpiece you are obviously a retard with no musical understanding. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 15:45 |
david (galashiels) wrote: days was fine the way it was. yes if you cant understand what improvements that are needed. |
| Raf 22.02.2009 16:11 |
Your music needs improvement. I'd change the melodies, the harmony, the rhythm and the arrangements. Then maybe they'd sound decent. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 16:17 |
Raf wrote: Your music needs improvement. I'd change the melodies, the harmony, the rhythm and the arrangements. Then maybe they'd sound decent. try making 1/10 of it yourself first :D |
| ana_libra 22.02.2009 16:55 |
TM, you need help my friend. Seriously. |
| Raf 22.02.2009 17:03 |
Treasure Moment wrote:I've just done so as I was farting.Raf wrote: Your music needs improvement. I'd change the melodies, the harmony, the rhythm and the arrangements. Then maybe they'd sound decent.try making 1/10 of it yourself first :D |
| geldy 22.02.2009 17:56 |
WHAT A GAGA GUY... |
| JeroenG 22.02.2009 18:30 |
Don't want to be rude. Don't want to speak like I have all the knowledge in store. You won't hear me saying that your version is shit. But to me your additions are totally unneccessary. If you think the song needs some extra piano and synth, that fine. I personally like the way Queen themselves wanted much more. It's less cheesy and sounds much more open IMO. And I think Queen themselves have the most rights the arrange a song they written themselves the way they want it. grtz from a professional musician |
| Mr Mercury 22.02.2009 18:51 |
Treasure Moment wrote: Anyone else agree that these are the days of our lives feels like its unfinished? its so empty and lacking something, thats why we improved it: link DING DING!!!! Here comes the Treasure Moment shitmobile DING DING!!!! |
| The Real Wizard 22.02.2009 18:57 |
So, not only do you think your band is the greatest thing since Queen (and also better than the Beatles and even Mozart), now your amateurish additions to Queen songs make them improvements of the originals? Hilarious. |
| dougie 22.02.2009 20:15 |
I have not yet listened to the version posted at You Tube, but I have to agree that "These Are The Days Of Our Lives" sounds underproduced. The song was always a great candidate for lush Queen harmonies, but -- for some reason -- the band decided to just go with two vocal tracks: Freddie and Freddie. Also, the drum programming always left me a bit cold -- reminds me of an old Casio keyboard. (Same goes for "Rain Must Fall" from the previous album.) That said, I still love the song. I think it represents Roger's best, most mature writing for the band. I also like the restraint in both the lead vocal and lead guitar. If Freddie had belted out the vocal like he did in, say, "All God's People" or "One Year of Love," the song would not be nearly so heartfelt. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 21:49 |
JeroenG wrote: Don't want to be rude. Don't want to speak like I have all the knowledge in store. You won't hear me saying that your version is shit. But to me your additions are totally unneccessary. If you think the song needs some extra piano and synth, that fine. I personally like the way Queen themselves wanted much more. It's less cheesy and sounds much more open IMO. And I think Queen themselves have the most rights the arrange a song they written themselves the way they want it. grtz from a professional musician whats cheesy about filling in the silent parts? of course Queen does what they want, its just that this song feels unfinished instrumentally, its too quiet and can be improved. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 21:50 |
Sir GH wrote: So, not only do you think your band is the greatest thing since Queen (and also better than the Beatles and even Mozart), now your amateurish additions to Queen songs make them improvements of the originals? Hilarious. whats so amateurish about it? i want to see you do half of what we have done. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 21:51 |
ana_libra wrote: TM, you need help my friend. Seriously. nah its YOU who needs help, alot of stupid people in this world. |
| john bodega 22.02.2009 22:16 |
Filling in the 'silent parts' is totally pointless and ruins the light and shade of the song - one of the greatest aspects of Queen's music. It's like taking the Mona Lisa and deciding to paint over the shaded parts of her face and make it look like it was taken with a camera with a flash. Your additions aren't what I'd say are terrible, but they simply do not need to be there. They're not even different enough or interesting enough to help the song. They just make it sound cluttered. It's too much - the song already builds quite nicely from a sparse sound at the start to something that's quite layered by the end. It's a gradual process, it's brilliantly done, and conveys the feeling that (I guess) Queen were aiming for when they recorded it. It shows that 4 professionals recorded the song, with 20 years of experience behind them. You guys adding a few things here and there might make it more listenable for YOU, but do not be surprised if not many people agree. Just covering my arse here; I don't think your additions were terrible. They were just redundant. |
| Treasure Moment 22.02.2009 22:18 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Filling in the 'silent parts' is totally pointless and ruins the light and shade of the song - one of the greatest aspects of Queen's music. It's like taking the Mona Lisa and deciding to paint over the shaded parts of her face and make it look like it was taken with a camera with a flash. Your additions aren't what I'd say are terrible, but they simply do not need to be there. They're not even different enough or interesting enough to help the song. They just make it sound cluttered. It's too much - the song already builds quite nicely from a sparse sound at the start to something that's quite layered by the end. It's a gradual process, it's brilliantly done, and conveys the feeling that (I guess) Queen were aiming for when they recorded it. It shows that 4 professionals recorded the song, with 20 years of experience behind them. You guys adding a few things here and there might make it more listenable for YOU, but do not be surprised if not many people agree. Just covering my arse here; I don't think your additions were terrible. They were just redundant. to each his own, personally i couldnt listen to the song before this, it was too empty and felt unfinished. |
| redspecialusa 23.02.2009 01:48 |
Treasure Moment wrote: Anyone else agree that these are the days of our lives feels like its unfinished? its so empty and lacking something, thats why we improved it: link NO, It wasn't unfinished. Your 'God,' and his band had 20+ years of musical experience under their belt...EACH; & their instincts served them right. The music has been perfectly tailored to fit the lyrics...and because of the reflective story of the lyrics, there is space instrumentally, which makes it more laid back. I have a severe prejudice against synthesizers...it's similar to the prejudice that Louis Farrakhan has against Jews. Only I don't hate people, I hate that cheezy fucking 80's era (Europe, VH, The Works album...etc.) all that shit. |
| Treasure Moment 23.02.2009 05:21 |
redspecialusa wrote:Treasure Moment wrote: Anyone else agree that these are the days of our lives feels like its unfinished? its so empty and lacking something, thats why we improved it: linkNO, It wasn't unfinished. Your 'God,' and his band had 20+ years of musical experience under their belt...EACH; & their instincts served them right. The music has been perfectly tailored to fit the lyrics...and because of the reflective story of the lyrics, there is space instrumentally, which makes it more laid back. I have a severe prejudice against synthesizers...it's similar to the prejudice that Louis Farrakhan has against Jews. Only I don't hate people, I hate that cheezy fucking 80's era (Europe, VH, The Works album...etc.) all that shit. synths were the evolution of Queen clearly, they used it more and more and its the best instrument there is and yes these are the days feels unfinished no matter what you say. |
| john bodega 23.02.2009 05:41 |
Treasure Moment wrote: to each his own, personally i couldnt listen to the song before this, it was too empty and felt unfinished. So you've basically started the thread based on one of your own feelings. There's no crime in that. And you now have a version of the song that you feel is more listenable. The fact that just about no one agrees with you would seem to indicate that it's really a matter of opinion whether or not the song was 'unfinished'. I personally love the arrangement of the song, if there's anything I would change it'd be that the percussion could sound less like a loop. But I think the sparse bits make sense in context with the song as a whole, and the way it builds towards the end (and then has the quiet ending) is just great. In my opinion, anyhow. Haha. I don't see the fuss anyway. You've got your remix, the rest of the world has ... well... whichever one they want to listen to. Just don't march in here telling us we're wrong, unless you want to argue until judgement day on a topic that can go literally nowhere. ("I'm right", "No I'm right" etc.). |
| cmsdrums 23.02.2009 07:17 |
Treasure Moment wrote: check it out, trust me its better than the original and remember that is the only song i think is unfinished. As I said, I'm sure it's not better, just different. I really can't understand your self inflated opinion of your skills. As a musician I have recorded a number of Queen songs over the years, but, despite playing the drum parts beat for beat, I will never improve on Roger Taylor's original parts, and nor would I be so conceited as to claim to. |
| Treasure Moment 23.02.2009 09:51 |
cmsdrums wrote:Treasure Moment wrote: check it out, trust me its better than the original and remember that is the only song i think is unfinished.As I said, I'm sure it's not better, just different. I really can't understand your self inflated opinion of your skills. As a musician I have recorded a number of Queen songs over the years, but, despite playing the drum parts beat for beat, I will never improve on Roger Taylor's original parts, and nor would I be so conceited as to claim to. you have to understand that its not replacing of anyones instruments in this songs, its additions. |
| knakenrudi 23.02.2009 10:29 |
What a stupid Freddie picture. Looks like he finds your additions to TATDOOL that silly that he can't stop from laughing. |
| Treasure Moment 23.02.2009 10:40 |
knakenrudi wrote: What a stupid Freddie picture. Looks like he finds your additions to TATDOOL that silly that he can't stop from laughing. nothing stupid about that pic, its unique. |
| Marcos Napier 23.02.2009 11:00 |
Coming soon to your record stores... "Queen's GH 4 - The TM Improvements". I'll order 4 copies. |
| Negative Creep 23.02.2009 11:12 |
Maybe it time for people to start ignoring the mental patients/retards posts. It can't comprehend that people don't agree with it. |
| The Real Wizard 23.02.2009 11:29 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Sir GH wrote: So, not only do you think your band is the greatest thing since Queen (and also better than the Beatles and even Mozart), now your amateurish additions to Queen songs make them improvements of the originals? Hilarious.whats so amateurish about it? i want to see you do half of what we have done. It's amateurish because you are still at the point in your musical evolution where you don't understand the concept of space. Listen to and understand what Miles Davis was doing on Sketches Of Spain and maybe then you won't feel the need to fill in "gaps," let alone believe you are somehow improving Queen's music. The simplicity, particularly the Simon and Garfunkel-style parallel thirds in the chorus vocals as Sebastian mentioned in another thread, and spacious nature of the song is its very charm. The piano harmony is not needed in the build-up to the chorus, as it makes the same use of harmony in the chorus superfluous. Sometimes less is more. Your keyboard parts obstruct Brian's solo. They are unnecessary, and take away from its sentimentality, which is the very feeling of the song and everything it embodies. They date the song and make it sound almost like an 80s throwback. The original is timeless, and thankfully your version won't be the one being heard by millions. |
| Saif 23.02.2009 11:48 |
Treasure Moment wrote:cmsdrums wrote:you have to understand that its not replacing of anyones instruments in this songs, its additions.Treasure Moment wrote: check it out, trust me its better than the original and remember that is the only song i think is unfinished.As I said, I'm sure it's not better, just different. I really can't understand your self inflated opinion of your skills. As a musician I have recorded a number of Queen songs over the years, but, despite playing the drum parts beat for beat, I will never improve on Roger Taylor's original parts, and nor would I be so conceited as to claim to. You're gay; you'll never fuck a girl. |
| pittrek 23.02.2009 12:01 |
I feel like a heretic, but I like it :) |
| runner70 23.02.2009 12:07 |
Treasure Moment wrote: Anyone else agree that these are the days of our lives feels like its unfinished? its so empty and lacking something, thats why we improved it: link Damn awful! But what can you expect from someone playing in the worst band on earth ever! One finger keyboards in the chorus - omg. People have been arrested for minor crimes |
| knakenrudi 23.02.2009 12:27 |
I think your brain and musical skills are unfinished. |
| cmsdrums 23.02.2009 13:10 |
I'm looking forward to seeing what TM does to improve Hot Space - the whole point of the album title is that the band left 'hot spaces' in the music to fit the funkier/disco style. There are loads of annoying, pointless spaces in most of the tracks that could be filled right up with loads more instruments! [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] |
| knakenrudi 23.02.2009 13:33 |
Treasure Moment = Microsoft Songsmith |
| Sebastian 23.02.2009 14:32 |
I like the piano, except during the solo - it adds nothing in that part. As for the warm pad... not bad, but it doesn't quite do anything special. Roger's solo version is quite brill IMO - much better piano than TM's. |
| Yara 23.02.2009 15:29 |
Treasure Moment wrote: Anyone else agree that these are the days of our lives feels like its unfinished? its so empty and lacking something, thats why we improved it: link I think you were sensitive enough to bring up the question - it feels unfinished. That's a quite interesting observation in itself - I don't think your answer to this question is right, and I don't even think it's enough for you. You got something important, it seems, and I guess you were quite sensitive there, maybe because you're a big fan of Queen and, especially, Freddie. No matter how the song has been thought up and recorded, it's bound to feel unfinished for some because it has a very poignant, melancholy side to it: the song makes me remember of Freddie, for instance, and gives me the melancholic feeling that he left things unfinished, that he died all too young, and it's as if these things were there in the song. That happens, I think, because the song talks about all our lives - we'll never get to do all we wanted, we'll probably face at least as much frustration as what's considered to be "success", and we'll never be able to go back to times, those few times, when we felt really happy - our souls are always longing, searching for answers and experiences, they have always this emptiness and, yes, imperfection: we feel unfinished because we don't feel plain, we don't feel we got from life everything life might give us. And we all know that our journey, this lonely and unique journey, feels unfinished too because its complement is what we most want to deny to ourselves: our mortality. So, yes, in an emotional level, for me, the song feels unfinished: emotionally. But that's, TM, was excatly what the guys who composed the song were aiming at - they wanted to express this sense of fragility and convey the notion that only love, to some extent, may give us a driving force and a steady guidance, something one could regard as a meaning. And love is all about...incompleteness: we feel we are not loved enough, sometimes we feel we don't love enough... It feels unfinished to me emotionally, though not musically, because that was exactly, I think, what the guys were aiming at - some things are better expressed or told or implied if only vaguely suggested or outright silenced. Best regards! |