Sergei. 14.02.2009 13:19 |
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece How very touching. -_- |
john bodega 14.02.2009 13:29 |
That's how you do it son, that's how you stick it in there. Get in early, get in often. |
john bodega 14.02.2009 13:31 |
But anyway, what I meant to post was; looks like the girl's mother is going to have another baby... there's no way that these kids (however committed) stand a chance of doing the 'parent' thing. Maybe they can share a house with Miss "Oh Look I Have 8 New Babies To Add To The Fifty I'm Hiding From The Authorities". Sew her legs shut, honestly. |
Cincinnati Bow Tie 14.02.2009 13:35 |
Giggity giggity, Giggity goo. |
Woodie 14.02.2009 13:42 |
13? He looks like 8. And the girl looks more like his mum than his girlfriend. This ain't right. |
Dracula2 14.02.2009 14:43 |
According to online edition of fridays The Sun he is only 4 foot tall - if you look at the pics he hasnt started shaving yet .....todays print edition of The Daily Express quotes her neighbours as saying the girl has slept with 5 ( ! ) other boys ....time to get a DNA test . Also according to the print edition of saturdays Daily Mail the boys 19 year old sister also had a baby at 13 ! |
knakenrudi 14.02.2009 15:32 |
Disgusting |
***Marial-B*** 15.02.2009 03:43 |
Sorry I have to make myself a question now... With that face and that size he has developed down there so he could do what he did :S??? |
inu-liger 15.02.2009 05:00 |
When did News Of The World buy out The Sun? ^_^ |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 15.02.2009 05:02 |
see,not all the trailor park trash are in the US,thanks to Jeremy Kyle we've found a shitload too! like to see how this boy will clothe and feed this sprog of his..oh wait...he cant...it will be ME and the rest of us fucking tax payers that will foot the bill! should send the 13yo down the mines to work for a living and dont anyone give me grief about child labour,if he wants to be a 'dad' and an 'adult' then he should have to work like one too! theres no way on earth that these 2 kids are fit enough to be responsible parents |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 15.02.2009 05:03 |
inu-liger wrote: When did News Of The World buy out The Sun? ^_^ they both been under Rupert Murdochs umbrella for at least 30 years |
thomasquinn 32989 15.02.2009 05:40 |
JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:inu-liger wrote: When did News Of The World buy out The Sun? ^_^they both been under Rupert Murdochs umbrella for at least 30 years The only papers to date he bought and didn't manage to make any worse than they already were. |
Ms. Rebel 15.02.2009 05:55 |
Lovely. |
Poo, again 15.02.2009 08:02 |
That is messed up. He does not look like 13. And she looks much older. Why the fuck would she have sex with him? It almost makes her a paedophile. |
Amazon 15.02.2009 08:28 |
Weird. That's all I will say. I do agree that she looks alot older than him. She looks like she's in her late teens or something, while he looks like a little boy. Yeh, it's just completely weird. |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 15.02.2009 08:55 |
and just when we thought we couldnt get any more ludicrous with this story along comes another kid who wants a DNA test coz he thinks the sprog could be his... |
Ms. Rebel 15.02.2009 09:24 |
I've had an older boyfriend when I was 11. He thought that I'm quite mature for my age. xD |
Lady Nyx 15.02.2009 12:06 |
*countdown to when the boy reveals his true age in 3....2......1.....* |
Dracula2 15.02.2009 12:56 |
"and just when we thought we couldnt get any more ludicrous with this story along comes another kid who wants a DNA test coz he thinks the sprog could be his... " ..... "I'm Spartacus ! No ! I'm Spartacus ! No ! I'm Spartacus ! " 8 -) |
LozIan 15.02.2009 21:16 |
Poo, again wrote: That is messed up. He does not look like 13. And she looks much older. Why the fuck would she have sex with him? It almost makes her a paedophile. I don't think that word means what you think it means. There's been a lot of condemnation of the girl based on her appearance. She's 15. A paedophile would prey on her. The girl is a child, as is the boy. The birth of their baby is upsetting (especially for the two kids!), but it in no way should be wielded as a means of framing the girl as a sexual deviant. Also, keep in mind this is her body after bearing a child to term. Thanks. |
LozIan 15.02.2009 21:19 |
Zebonka12 wrote: But anyway, what I meant to post was; looks like the girl's mother is going to have another baby... there's no way that these kids (however committed) stand a chance of doing the 'parent' thing. Maybe they can share a house with Miss "Oh Look I Have 8 New Babies To Add To The Fifty I'm Hiding From The Authorities". Sew her legs shut, honestly. Not sure about the significance of sewing her legs shut, since the children were conceived via completely non-sexual fertilization. She's fucked up and misguided, but please refrain from yolking her with sexual judgments. There are plenty of ways to critique her without resorting to implied bodily mutilation. |
john bodega 16.02.2009 01:58 |
Haha. Trust a QZer to make a serious comment on such an improbable procedure as having ones legs sewn shut. I don't think that's even possible... |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 16.02.2009 04:05 |
i know im old and slow on the uptake now but its only just dawned on me that 'poppa' in the US and in the UK are 2 totally different things lol |
LozIan 16.02.2009 12:06 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Haha. Trust a QZer to make a serious comment on such an improbable procedure as having ones legs sewn shut. I don't think that's even possible... Not that it matters much. I once heard a dude tell a woman he wanted to tear out her uterus with his bare hands. Not really possible (to the best of my knowledge) but the intention was hardly sweetness and light. Although I suppose it would make for a fine line of greeting cards... So it ain't the procedure, not really. It's the sentiment behind it. Sewing her legs shut, whether a viable option or not, is a misplaced critique. She's not 'guilty' of rampant sexcapades, and even if she was, whoopity do. It's the fact that she gave birth to eight children, all of which will probably suffer long-term health problems due to their mother's poor judgment. I'm not speaking/typing as QZer, just a feminist, which in many people's perception is probably worse. Zebonka, you're one of the few reasons I visit this site; I find you frequently hilarious, and almost always dutifully inappropriate. But some things are a little more sensitive than others. |
john bodega 16.02.2009 14:17 |
LozIan wrote: Not that it matters much. I once heard a dude tell a woman he wanted to tear out her uterus with his bare hands. Not really possible (to the best of my knowledge) but the intention was hardly sweetness and light. Although I suppose it would make for a fine line of greeting cards... So it ain't the procedure, not really. It's the sentiment behind it. Sewing her legs shut, whether a viable option or not, is a misplaced critique. She's not 'guilty' of rampant sexcapades, and even if she was, whoopity do. It's the fact that she gave birth to eight children, all of which will probably suffer long-term health problems due to their mother's poor judgment. I'm not speaking/typing as QZer, just a feminist, which in many people's perception is probably worse. Zebonka, you're one of the few reasons I visit this site; I find you frequently hilarious, and almost always dutifully inappropriate. But some things are a little more sensitive than others. Well met, but I have a compulsion to point out that when I said 'legs' I meant in the sense of actually sewing her legs together, mermaid style. That'll teach me to be on Kaluha while posting on the internet. (!) Actually, sexual craziness doesn't get on my goat nearly as much as mindless procreation. This is a topic I should only try elucidating on after I've had a nap though, it's 4 AM. |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 16.02.2009 14:26 |
^ if there was 'sexual craziness' and 'goats' involved she would probably live in St Just |
Mr.Jingles 17.02.2009 22:52 |
Poo, again wrote: That is messed up. He does not look like 13. And she looks much older. Why the fuck would she have sex with him? It almost makes her a paedophile. Most boys that age wouldn't mind. At that age, girls would only pay attention to older guys, so guys just take advantage at any chance they are given. |
inu-liger 18.02.2009 00:11 |
LozIan wrote:Poo, again wrote: That is messed up. He does not look like 13. And she looks much older. Why the fuck would she have sex with him? It almost makes her a paedophile.I don't think that word means what you think it means. There's been a lot of condemnation of the girl based on her appearance. She's 15. A paedophile would prey on her. The girl is a child, as is the boy. The birth of their baby is upsetting (especially for the two kids!), but it in no way should be wielded as a means of framing the girl as a sexual deviant. Also, keep in mind this is her body after bearing a child to term. Thanks. I don't think the authorities would really care about that logic. I read in the news recently that there was a child porn ring bust in Montreal, or somewhere in or around Quebec, and a 14-year-old was among those charged with possessing and distributing child porn, which I thought was rather surprising. BUT still sick nonetheless. Anyone who finds children or teenagers who look like young children sexually attractive are more than mentally disturbed. Surely you can see the reasoning behind Poo, again's comment about pedophilia. |
inu-liger 18.02.2009 00:28 |
Just curious btw, what IS the legal age of sexual consent over in England? If that'd happened here, I think they would have gotten in legal trouble or so (involving child services), because ours is 16 years of age by law. |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 18.02.2009 03:56 |
inu-liger wrote: Just curious btw, what IS the legal age of sexual consent over in England? If that'd happened here, I think they would have gotten in legal trouble or so (involving child services), because ours is 16 years of age by law. ahh,this is where it gets a bit foggy.. if one of them was OVER 16 then they would get nicked quicker than you can say 'nonce' and placed on the sex offenders register but as they are both UNDER the legal age of 16 then its not as clear as that. there was a programme on tv here that went into more details but from what i could gather from it,it wasnt illegal for 2 consenting [and thats the word here] under 16's to get jiggy without repercussions from social services.however,social services are monitoring the situation but are not going to prosecute. if im wrong no doubt someone will correct me however these rules dont apply in St Just where the old saying 'if it bleeds it breeds' still exist,hence the 3 eyes and the daughters being their own aunts there |
Holly2003 18.02.2009 11:12 |
JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:inu-liger wrote: Just curious btw, what IS the legal age of sexual consent over in England? If that'd happened here, I think they would have gotten in legal trouble or so (involving child services), because ours is 16 years of age by law.ahh,this is where it gets a bit foggy.. if one of them was OVER 16 then they would get nicked quicker than you can say 'nonce' and placed on the sex offenders register but as they are both UNDER the legal age of 16 then its not as clear as that. there was a programme on tv here that went into more details but from what i could gather from it,it wasnt illegal for 2 consenting [and thats the word here] under 16's to get jiggy without repercussions from social services.however,social services are monitoring the situation but are not going to prosecute. if im wrong no doubt someone will correct me however these rules dont apply in St Just where the old saying 'if it bleeds it breeds' still exist,hence the 3 eyes and the daughters being their own aunts there I've heard it said that the location of the lost city of Atlantis is off Cornwall somewhere. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/43172.stm Do you think it crashed and burned due to the actions of 11-toed slobbering inbreds and their wickermen? |
Mr Mercury 18.02.2009 11:27 |
JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: and just when we thought we couldnt get any more ludicrous with this story along comes another kid who wants a DNA test coz he thinks the sprog could be his... I heard he joined Fathers For Justice. Though he didnt have a clue about their politics, he pointed to everyone there that he already had a Spiderman costume...... |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 18.02.2009 11:51 |
Mr Mercury wrote:i literally just got this as a txt on my fone :-pJoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: and just when we thought we couldnt get any more ludicrous with this story along comes another kid who wants a DNA test coz he thinks the sprog could be his...I heard he joined Fathers For Justice. Though he didnt have a clue about their politics, he pointed to everyone there that he already had a Spiderman costume...... |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 18.02.2009 11:57 |
Holly2003 wrote:i wouldnt be surprised,you can always tell a 'St Just' person when at the bus stop in Penzance lolJoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:I've heard it said that the location of the lost city of Atlantis is off Cornwall somewhere. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/43172.stm Do you think it crashed and burned due to the actions of 11-toed slobbering inbreds and their wickermen?inu-liger wrote: Just curious btw, what IS the legal age of sexual consent over in England? If that'd happened here, I think they would have gotten in legal trouble or so (involving child services), because ours is 16 years of age by law.ahh,this is where it gets a bit foggy.. if one of them was OVER 16 then they would get nicked quicker than you can say 'nonce' and placed on the sex offenders register but as they are both UNDER the legal age of 16 then its not as clear as that. there was a programme on tv here that went into more details but from what i could gather from it,it wasnt illegal for 2 consenting [and thats the word here] under 16's to get jiggy without repercussions from social services.however,social services are monitoring the situation but are not going to prosecute. if im wrong no doubt someone will correct me however these rules dont apply in St Just where the old saying 'if it bleeds it breeds' still exist,hence the 3 eyes and the daughters being their own aunts there i was gonna mention Lyonnaise being between my front door and the Scilly Isles but its mentioned in the article and ps, how comes British explorers ALWAYS have fantastic double barrelled surnames? lol and pps hopefully this time the Russkies will leave our bloody pilchards and mackerel alone when they are in OUR waters! |
thomasquinn 32989 19.02.2009 06:30 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Poo, again wrote: That is messed up. He does not look like 13. And she looks much older. Why the fuck would she have sex with him? It almost makes her a paedophile.Most boys that age wouldn't mind. At that age, girls would only pay attention to older guys, so guys just take advantage at any chance they are given. Have you seen the girl? No guy in his right mind would *want* fo f*** her. Which goes a long way to explaining the mental state of the guy(s) who actually did. |
Rick 19.02.2009 08:03 |
True, she has this rehab clinicish look. |
Freya is quietly judging you. 19.02.2009 09:22 |
Let's not tread on eggshells, the girl is grotesque. |
thomasquinn 32989 19.02.2009 09:27 |
Rick wrote: True, she has this rehab clinicish look. Amy Winehouse has a rehab clinicish look. This girl looks like a deranged walrus on high on DMT. Wait. Make that: high on DDT. |
LozIan 19.02.2009 15:48 |
Ah, I see we've descended into the portion of the conversation wherein the girl is mocked for her appearance. It's like the Five Stages of Grief (anger, acceptance etc), except sexist. It's a simple feat to judge from a single photograph. I'm sure, of course, that every single male on this board is either married to or dating a Swedish supermodel, a paragon of feminine perfection. I'm also certain that every single male on this board (especially those spewing insults at a fifteen-year-old girl who just gave birth - classy!) are themselves prize catches, with rippling biceps and Adonis-like complexions. A human being isn't a snapshot. If we fail to move beyond the OMG HE'S SO YOUNG LOOKING WTF SHE'S FUGLY stage, we can't address the actual issues this case brings to light. I'll acknowledge that she looks terrible in the picture, but I have to ask, so fucking what? |
Rick 19.02.2009 17:42 |
Congratulations. You've just won the moral crusader prize. The refrigerator is yours. Would you like it gift-wrapped? |
LozIan 19.02.2009 18:19 |
Rick wrote: Congratulations. You've just won the moral crusader prize. The refrigerator is yours. Would you like it gift-wrapped? The tragic thing is that I need a new refrigerator badly. My current model only keeps things cold when it's in the negative degrees outside. Come summer, all my mayo will transform into lava lamps. If addressing an issue in an intelligent and aware fashion qualifies me for snarky remarks...eh. There's no winning or losing on teh internets, despite the claims of forum trolls and pundits who toss their weight around on their blogs willy-nilly. I understand that there's nothing more tiresome than a issue-crazed windbag dragging a soapbox around, but for crissakes, this thread has evolved into a 101 study in patriarchy politics. However, I will be using your post to support my application to the Knights Templar. |
inu-liger 19.02.2009 19:24 |
LozIan wrote: Ah, I see we've descended into the portion of the conversation wherein the girl is mocked for her appearance. It's like the Five Stages of Grief (anger, acceptance etc), except sexist. It's a simple feat to judge from a single photograph. I'm sure, of course, that every single male on this board is either married to or dating a Swedish supermodel, a paragon of feminine perfection. I'm also certain that every single male on this board (especially those spewing insults at a fifteen-year-old girl who just gave birth - classy!) are themselves prize catches, with rippling biceps and Adonis-like complexions. A human being isn't a snapshot. If we fail to move beyond the OMG HE'S SO YOUNG LOOKING WTF SHE'S FUGLY stage, we can't address the actual issues this case brings to light. I'll acknowledge that she looks terrible in the picture, but I have to ask, so fucking what? So you're saying you're into "hot" jailbait like that then? Man, you must have very low standards... |
Raf 19.02.2009 21:48 |
LozIan wrote:Rick wrote: Congratulations. You've just won the moral crusader prize. The refrigerator is yours. Would you like it gift-wrapped?The tragic thing is that I need a new refrigerator badly. My current model only keeps things cold when it's in the negative degrees outside. Come summer, all my mayo will transform into lava lamps. I've just got one as a present for moving out of my house. :P I was so proud to get my first refrigerator... I feel like a housewife. |
YourValentine 20.02.2009 03:09 |
Great post, Lozlan. |
thomasquinn 32989 20.02.2009 06:26 |
Pffft. One must be absolutely cynical *and/or* insane to come preaching morality in *this* topic. A girl who has sex with basically anyone who comes close enough, seemingly in the age range 8-80, and you're having a go at me for being immoral? That's the best laugh I had in a week. Having said that, I can also laugh at YV's desperately bourgeois attempt at having some morality rub off on her. |
thomasquinn 32989 20.02.2009 06:42 |
LozIan wrote: Ah, I see we've descended into the portion of the conversation wherein the girl is mocked for her appearance. It's like the Five Stages of Grief (anger, acceptance etc), except sexist.Look up the word 'sexist' in the dictionary. Shallow, perhaps. Sexist, no. Deserved? Definitely. It's a simple feat to judge from a single photograph. I'm sure, of course, that every single male on this board is either married to or dating a Swedish supermodel, a paragon of feminine perfection. I'm also certain that every single male on this board (especially those spewing insults at a fifteen-year-old girl who just gave birth - classy!) are themselves prize catches, with rippling biceps and Adonis-like complexions.Boohoo fucking hoo. She is so morally perfect and undeserving of any criticism whatsoever, and I'm sure she does not judge by appearances either. You should apply her for sainthood. Also, there's quite a gradient between "paragon of feminine perfection" and "barely recognizable as humanoid". A human being isn't a snapshot. If we fail to move beyond the OMG HE'S SO YOUNG LOOKING WTF SHE'S FUGLY stage, we can't address the actual issues this case brings to light.Such as a perverted treatment of sexuality by a significant portion of British youths, the enormous superficiality of Western (and other) society and your moral perfection? I'll acknowledge that she looks terrible in the picture, but I have to ask, so fucking what?Sure. |
Rick 20.02.2009 07:01 |
The last line of Lozlan's monologue is laughable. Both hypocrisy and contradiction. Since when did QZ transform into a mature and political correct place? |
thomasquinn 32989 20.02.2009 07:02 |
Must've been when TM came to enlighten us. |
YourValentine 20.02.2009 07:37 |
I am not surprised that tabloid reasoning is all you can handle, Thomas Quinn. Using your own head is certainly asked too much. Let's enjoy the freak show presented to us by the media without even thinking if the people involved are maybe too young and also too stupid to realise what they do to their lives by presenting themselves to newspapers and TV. Concern about the exploitation of juveniles who have no clue about what they are doing to themselves must be ridiculous and moralising. Feeling digust and maybe even compassion with these misguided kids must be so 20th century in the age of jungle camps. Aren't we oh so superior to these people who have underaged sex and are dumb enough to make themselves the headline for a week? What does it have to do with morality? You, Sir, are just stupid enough to fall into the Rupert Murdoch trap. Octuplets, underaged mothers, alligators in the sewage system - let's get wound up about all these so important issues - maybe we manage to outsleep the real issues. |
thomasquinn 32989 20.02.2009 11:22 |
You're overestimating me; I don't even care what the tabloids have to say about this. |
Saif 20.02.2009 11:29 |
That pipsqueak looks like what the Brits call a 'chav'. Anyway, I don't find it surprising. They both seem to be misfits/outcasts. What normal kid is 4 feet tall at 13 years of age? The girl isn't something I'd tap either. But I bet TM would. He would mistake her for his brother after taking some psilocybin mushrooms and the other shit he uses. "I thought it would be good to have a baby."(from the article) Now, there are two ways to look at it. I personally favour a realistic approach(a la ThomasQuinn) as opposed to an idealistic one(like LozIan). But like YourValentine said, this isn't a very worrisome issue. Sure the "parents" are irresponsible. And irresponsible mothers ostensibly beget irresponsible mothers, right?. The same thing was said of the "single mothers" of the 60's and 70's. What an epidemic they were, weren't they? Guess what? Society still survived. |
thomasquinn 32989 20.02.2009 11:51 |
I just find this whole affair sordid and all parties involved are obviously at fault. I prefer dealing with that by making it into a grotesque satire, like I more or less did. YV of course disagrees with this, as she is just like that, and Lozlan acts in a way that seems to scream desperately for confirmation of his sense of morality. Don't worry, dude, you're moral all right. Just don't overdo it like this. |
LozIan 20.02.2009 12:29 |
Rick wrote: The last line of Lozlan's monologue is laughable. Both hypocrisy and contradiction. Since when did QZ transform into a mature and political correct place? Simultaneous acknowledgment of a subjective judgment and the dismissal of the judgment as absolutely meaningless to the argument isn't hypocritical in the slightest. There are plenty of pictures of me that make me look like a deformed lemur. Sure, the girl is no beauty. The lightning in the pic is atrocious, she looks unhealthy and (due to her positioning by her partner) gargantuan. She just gave birth, and no one looks like a pornstar after squirting out a sprog. I don't hear anyone mocking the photographer, however. Glad I could give someone a laugh, though. |
LozIan 20.02.2009 12:33 |
Sorry. Self-righteous double post. |
Holly2003 20.02.2009 16:16 |
LozIan wrote:Sorry. Self-righteous double post. lol :) |
Freya is quietly judging you. 21.02.2009 07:24 |
I think Lozlan needs to get off her high horse and stop taking what is said here so seriously. |
magicalfreddiemercury 21.02.2009 09:27 |
Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: I think Lozlan needs to get off her high horse and stop taking what is said here so seriously. I think Lozlan is justifiably frustrated by how quickly an important issue was turned into a diss-fest against a 15 year old who just gave birth. The focus of conversation should be on the problems of teenage pregnancy and what type of sex ed is (and isn't) being taught to these kids. And even though Queenzone is not known for its eloquent or serious posts, some interesting and valuable discussions have taken place here. Sadly, I think too many people - on and off Queenzone - are either to uncomfortable with or apathetic to the issue at hand to discuss it in a mature or productive manner. |
LozIan 21.02.2009 13:38 |
Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: I think Lozlan needs to get off her high horse and stop taking what is said here so seriously. I like to think that my horse is actually quite stumpy. You know, sort of a righteous Shetland Pony. magicalfreddiemercury phrases it perfectly. I've seen constructive discussions manifest on these boards before, and was sort of hoping I could draw this thread away from generic OMG crap and focus on the sociological implications of the issue at hand. Given, I think I might have been remiss: amidst all my concern airing, I didn't actually bring a fresh perspective to the table. I think examining their relationship/pregnancy/choice to give birth from a class angle might be interesting; both the girl and the boy come from low class families, with little to no chance of class mobility. Or, hey, how about sex ed? I'm actually not nearly as familiar with the state of sex education across the pond...do you guys have the same 'abstinence only' bullshit that gets tossed aroud stateside? Or there's examining the reaction to the boy's appearance of the girl's list of previous sexual partners...what's the nature of moral condemnation in relation to sex and/or procreation? How does age impact impressions of culturally perceived sexual perversity? The list of possible discussions is endless. As is the list of stupid crap people can post. I was less interested in bearing the burning brand of my own awesome awareness and slightly more interested in, you know, having a conversation. |
john bodega 25.02.2009 02:57 |
OMG OK FINE GUYS IT WAS ME I AM THE FATHER NOW FUCK OFF |