P-Staker 06.02.2009 05:49 |
I finally got Furia and I'm not happy. It's the same fucking riff twenty times. As the album played I literally prayed the next track won't be the same riff, but guess what. Oh, there are two tracks that aren't the riff, but they sound like French buskers begging for heroin. And they feature no Brian whatsoever. And what the hell's with the squealing synth pads? They would fit a 1953 sci-fi feature, but a '99 film? The only logical explanation is that Brian wanted to capture the general unease and pain of watching French cinematography, in which case he succeeded beautifully. But if the idea of not hurting his fans' ears had even remotely crossed his mind, he would have simply released a single "Dream of Thee (Theme from Furia)." Mind you, Dream of Thee is among Brian's best ballads - but not when you've heard the riff 19 times already. |
[BREAKTHRU1989] 06.02.2009 05:55 |
Thanks a lot for the french cinema ; at least they've got some ideas for good stories and they're not full of FX like hollywood crap blockbusters we've got all the time. Anyway, as I'm french myself I've never heard of Furia outside the Queen community, and never heard the soundtrack itself. I will be annoyed also if I buy some greatest hits 2 with 17 times slightly mad on it ... :-D |
Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 06.02.2009 08:18 |
and did you see the movie? |
[BREAKTHRU1989] 06.02.2009 09:20 |
Me ? Unfortunately, no ... But if I can find a copy, I sure will see it, just for Marion Cotillard ! |
Bo Alex 06.02.2009 09:52 |
This album feature a tango: Cuesta Abajo. Did Brian compose it? I don't think so, but I'm not sure. |
Marcos Napier 06.02.2009 09:59 |
FLASH! A-AAAAA! |
Jjeroen 06.02.2009 10:13 |
Did you ever listen to another actual soundtrack? And I mean a proper soundtrack, a SCORE, not a soundtrack as in a collection of songs. Pop any in and count the theme's (soundtracks have THEME's, no riffs!) or variations on that same theme. It is very common for a score. As a score Furia realy is not that bad. But then again... you bash French cinema... I bet you watch movies from Hollywood! |
john bodega 06.02.2009 10:56 |
pjg god i have been drinking happy birthday zebonka i mastubrate to furia mmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
P-Staker 06.02.2009 11:21 |
Jjeroen wrote: Did you ever listen to another actual soundtrack? And I mean a proper soundtrack, a SCORE, not a soundtrack as in a collection of songs. Pop any in and count the theme's (soundtracks have THEME's, no riffs!) or variations on that same theme. It is very common for a score. As a score Furia realy is not that bad. But then again... you bash French cinema... I bet you watch movies from Hollywood! Incidentally, I listened to movie scores (say Morricone, Williams - even Queen's Flash) and they all feature some variety and development. Compare If you bothered to learn the first thing about things you pretend to understand, you'd know that the riff is a short repeated musical phrase that fits into the theme. The Furia "theme" is just a short I-IV-V riff with a tonic in Am and dominant in E. 20 fucking times. It's worse than a Ramones CD. You'd really do well to shut up about music until you can at least play "Oh, Sussana." And yes, French cinema is like French cheese - the French think it's something special because it stinks. It's either pseudointellectualism without substance or kitsch. The last French film I tried to watch was Amelie; I made it halfway through and then snapped the DVD in half for wasting my time. And why on Earth can't French actors talk and move at the same time? |
Saif 06.02.2009 11:27 |
P-Staker wrote:The last French film I've seen was "Irreversible". Yup, that was all I needed to know about French cinema. There are some great French directors like Luc Besson whose movie "Leon:The Professional" is one of my all-time favourites but I guess it doesn't count since it's in English. But French movies in general disinterest me. Some are very artistic(the arthouse ones) but the shitty ones get all the publicity.Jjeroen wrote: Did you ever listen to another actual soundtrack? And I mean a proper soundtrack, a SCORE, not a soundtrack as in a collection of songs. Pop any in and count the theme's (soundtracks have THEME's, no riffs!) or variations on that same theme. It is very common for a score. As a score Furia realy is not that bad. But then again... you bash French cinema... I bet you watch movies from Hollywood!Incidentally, I listened to movie scores (say Morricone, Williams - even Queen's Flash) and they all feature some variety and development. Compare If you bothered to learn the first thing about things you pretend to understand, you'd know that the riff is a short repeated musical phrase that fits into the theme. The Furia "theme" is just a short I-IV-V riff with a tonic in Am and dominant in E. 20 fucking times. It's worse than a Ramones CD. You'd really do well to shut up about music until you can at least play "Oh, Sussana." And yes, French cinema is like French cheese - the French think it's something special because it stinks. It's either pseudointellectualism without substance or kitsch. The last French film I tried to watch was Amelie; I made it halfway through and then snapped the DVD in half for wasting my time. And why on Earth can't French actors talk and move at the same time? |
john bodega 06.02.2009 11:46 |
And yes, French cinema is like French cheese - the French think it's something special because it stinks. It's either pseudointellectualism without substance or kitsch. The last French film I tried to watch was Amelie; I made it halfway through and then snapped the DVD in half for wasting my time. And why on Earth can't French actors talk and move at the same time? I'll take it from here my nigga French cheese is way better than their cinema and that's saying something. I sat through God knows how much of "Nathalie" thinking I'd see Emanuelle Beart get her gear off and shake that ass, but she was only bumping and grinding for all of two minutes. The rest of it was that absolute witch shemale MANTHING Fanny Ardant looking mopey because Gerard Dippadidoo wasn't interested in her anymore. That's not arty, that's boring pedestrian crap. Who the fuck wants to watch a couple of geriatric Frenchy's yap about their marital dysfunction when they can watch Emanuelle "I Take My Clothes Off and Fuck Dildos When The Mood Takes Me" Beart? |
thomasquinn 32989 06.02.2009 12:39 |
P-Staker wrote: And what the hell's with the squealing synth pads? They would fit a 1953 sci-fi feature, but a '99 film? Disregarding for a moment that there were no synth pads in '53... Anyway, this is soundtrack music. It usually works with a limited number of thematic ideas which, in various incarnations, appear and re-appear. This is not one of my favorite soundtracks, but it's not nearly as bad as you make it sound. |
pittrek 06.02.2009 13:03 |
P-Staker wrote:Jjeroen wrote: Did you ever listen to another actual soundtrack? And I mean a proper soundtrack, a SCORE, not a soundtrack as in a collection of songs. Pop any in and count the theme's (soundtracks have THEME's, no riffs!) or variations on that same theme. It is very common for a score. As a score Furia realy is not that bad. But then again... you bash French cinema... I bet you watch movies from Hollywood!Incidentally, I listened to movie scores (say Morricone, Williams - even Queen's Flash) and they all feature some variety and development. Compare If you bothered to learn the first thing about things you pretend to understand, you'd know that the riff is a short repeated musical phrase that fits into the theme. The Furia "theme" is just a short I-IV-V riff with a tonic in Am and dominant in E. 20 fucking times. It's worse than a Ramones CD. You'd really do well to shut up about music until you can at least play "Oh, Sussana." And yes, French cinema is like French cheese - the French think it's something special because it stinks. It's either pseudointellectualism without substance or kitsch. The last French film I tried to watch was Amelie; I made it halfway through and then snapped the DVD in half for wasting my time. And why on Earth can't French actors talk and move at the same time? I haven't read such an stupid reply for a long time, I hope it was supposed to be a joke. Ramones have done probably the best music in the history of the USA and French movies are ART. If you're used to watch garbage instead of art, it's your personal problem but don't forget a lot of people have different taste |
P-Staker 06.02.2009 13:07 |
Oh, it's crap therefore it's art? Is it like the theory that if something tastes foul, it must be healthy to eat? Care to explain what's so artistic about the French cinema? Or you just talking about things you don't really understand like that Jj-dude? And Ramones would have been a good band... if they learned more than two chords. Perhaps their songs would be possible to tell apart then? |
Micrówave 06.02.2009 14:42 |
French cinema is like French cheese - the French think it's something special because it stinks. Greatness. Give me Die Hard 2 over any French film. Yes, I said Die Hard 2. They should have stopped after The Red Balloon and called it a day. |
Wiley 06.02.2009 16:40 |
Got the movie, got the soundtrack. I don't like them very much, except for "Dream of thee" which I do like even if haven't heard it in about 5 years perhaps. I saw the movie twice. When I rented it in my local Blockbuster about 8 years ago and then when I bought the DVD. It is fairly easy to find it in local supermarkets here in Mexico. There is a company called "Quality Films" that releases movies that a big label wouldn't normally release. Obviously, the releases are very simple in packaging and no special features are included. Actually, I think I saw both the VHS and the DVD for sale a couple of weeks ago in my local Walmart. I prefer the movies he made later. "Haute tension" is very good and his remakes of "The Hills have Eyes" and "Mirrors" are not too bad. I just found out he is up for directing Piranha 3-D, which should have some good ol' blood splatting coming at you from the screen in 3D in 2010! :D |
P-Staker 06.02.2009 16:54 |
On its own, Dream of Thee is a great track. It would have been a much stronger release as a single. I believe it would have been a hit, or at least a fan favorite. |
Holly2003 06.02.2009 17:03 |
Micrówave wrote:French cinema is like French cheese - the French think it's something special because it stinks.Greatness. Give me Die Hard 2 over any French film. Yes, I said Die Hard 2. They should have stopped after The Red Balloon and called it a day. I cried over both those movies ... but in different ways. |
Marcelo_argentina 06.02.2009 18:05 |
It's just a Soundtrack...what did you expect? Anyway..I like french movies..I like French cheese..and I love France!!! |
Pim Derks 06.02.2009 18:27 |
The soundtrack is worth the money just for the Furia Theme and Dream of Thee. Some of Brian's best work is on the CD IMO. |
Rick 07.02.2009 13:59 |
Marcos Napier wrote: FLASH! A-AAAAA! This answer sums it all up. |
thomasquinn 32989 07.02.2009 14:05 |
Dismissing the whole of French cinema as utter crap leads me tot suspect the author of such comments has an IQ under 80. Go watch Ascenseur Pour L'Échafaud, for a start, then we'll talk. |
P-Staker 08.02.2009 13:48 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: Dismissing the whole of French cinema as utter crap leads me tot suspect the author of such comments has an IQ under 80. Go watch Ascenseur Pour L'Échafaud, for a start, then we'll talk. I know more about film than you could hope to learn even if you miraculously grew a brain. Fuck you for spouting random 50s films in vain hope you'll sound intellectual (but then, people claiming to like French film are intellectual poseurs without knowledge or taste.) I happened to have seen the "Elevator" because, unlike the rest of you pretending to know shit about film, I actually STUDIED film and theatre. Imitators of Hollywood such as Malle and Truffaut were obligatory watching, even though my teacher privately agreed they were included for the sake of tradition rather than any merit they might have. Shall I tell you what's wrong with "Elevator to the Gallows" ("Ascenseur Pour L'Échafaud" - you can't translate it or you like to throw in a little French now and then like Delboy Trotter?) Everything. Cliche images of "decadent" Paris. Psychological cliches. Forced sense of anguish. Tattered storytelling. And, as in any French film to date, actors who can't fucking SPEAK AND MOVE AT THE SAME TIME. The scene when Lois commits the murder is a typical, textbook example of a plot which doesn't know where it's going, so it goes into a shock mode. Then it's more unbelievable anguish and laughable suspense. The only interesting thing about the film is the involvement of Miles Davis. So, yeah, go read a book on film and then we can talk. |
P-Staker 08.02.2009 13:55 |
Rick wrote:Marcos Napier wrote: FLASH! A-AAAAA!This answer sums it all up. Actually, no. Even though Flash the movie is a fun camp, Flash the soundtrack is a professional high-quality movie score. There are different, even contrasting themes, built and developed to give a unique feel to a scene or character. Furia has ONE basic I-IV-V progression on 90% of the album. That's almost NO material stretched over 20+ tracks. That's my gripe with it. Releasing it was like saying "No one saw the film and there's nothing much to listen to, but I'm counting on fans to buy anything that says 'Brian May' on the cover." I've paid mine $45 from Amazon. Fuck that. Should have downloaded 'Dream of Thee' from a pirate site :-( |
Bo Rhap 08.02.2009 14:30 |
$45. You've been robbed my friend.I wouldnt pay that supposing you paid me. |
[BREAKTHRU1989] 09.02.2009 02:44 |
Wow, what a funny topic about french cinema ... Hey guys, french movies aren't all "cerebral" ! Okay, we've also got some crap (depends on taste of course) but movies aren't great because they costed $100 millions or more ... I suggest if you like police movies to watch "36 quai des orfèvres", or "MR73", recent movies with "Depardidoo (wtf?) and Daniel Auteuil. (Sorry I don't know the international english titles) Oh and by the way, french aren't so arrogant and chauvinist ; it's a stereotype ... Here we also see the americans like fat hamburger-eaters ; it doesn't mean it's true ... It always makes me laugh when I see a hollywood movie when one scene or the whole movie takes place in Paris ; or course the hero or the villain has an appartment with view on the eiffel tower ... Yeah here in Paris every appartment has view on the eiffel tower, because Paris is only 200 square meters ... |
P-Staker 09.02.2009 05:43 |
I never suggested the French, as a nation, were all arrogant and chauvinist. I criticise French film (and French moldy cheese - seriously, guys, what the fuck? That's disgusting food!), but, for example, I admire French athletes. I supported France in the finals of 2006 World Cup, and I was furious when that wanker Materazzi provoked the greatest European football legend of all times, Zinedine Zidane. And please understand that it's not "either you love French cinema, or you love crap." Hollywood produces tons of crap, but who can deny Welles, Hitchcock, Kubrick, Coppola, Fleming, Branagh or Fosse are geniuses? And how about Tarkovsky from Russia, Kurosawa from Japan or Bergman from Sweden - I'm sorry, but 50s "film noir" looks like school plays next to them. How about modern Slavic film, the ruthless yet uplifting "Pretty Village, Pretty Flame" by Dragojevic or heart-shattering Time of the Gypsies by Kusturica (who's a despicable man, but very fine director.) How about Almodovar, del Toro, Ki-Duk, Matanic, Lee? All fresher, more interesting and better filmmakers than anything French film ever had to offer. Yes, the Lumiere brothers invented the film technology and Georges Melies was the first to realise films can tell a fictional story. That's the great - in fact, crucial - and undeniable contribution of the French to the film. After that, it's downhill. At least in the 50s the likes of Truffaut and Godard were copying good Hollywood films, but today, you get Besson who's a poor man's Lucas and Jeunet, a poor man's Boyle. |
Saif 09.02.2009 08:50 |
P-Staker wrote: I never suggested the French, as a nation, were all arrogant and chauvinist. I criticise French film (and French moldy cheese - seriously, guys, what the fuck? That's disgusting food!), but, for example, I admire French athletes. I supported France in the finals of 2006 World Cup, and I was furious when that wanker Materazzi provoked the greatest European football legend of all times, Zinedine Zidane. And please understand that it's not "either you love French cinema, or you love crap." Hollywood produces tons of crap, but who can deny Welles, Hitchcock, Kubrick, Coppola, Fleming, Branagh or Fosse are geniuses? And how about Tarkovsky from Russia, Kurosawa from Japan or Bergman from Sweden - I'm sorry, but 50s "film noir" looks like school plays next to them. How about modern Slavic film, the ruthless yet uplifting "Pretty Village, Pretty Flame" by Dragojevic or heart-shattering Time of the Gypsies by Kusturica (who's a despicable man, but very fine director.) How about Almodovar, del Toro, Ki-Duk, Matanic, Lee? All fresher, more interesting and better filmmakers than anything French film ever had to offer. Yes, the Lumiere brothers invented the film technology and Georges Melies was the first to realise films can tell a fictional story. That's the great - in fact, crucial - and undeniable contribution of the French to the film. After that, it's downhill. At least in the 50s the likes of Truffaut and Godard were copying good Hollywood films, but today, you get Besson who's a poor man's Lucas and Jeunet, a poor man's Boyle.Where's Martin Scorsese!?!?! Grrrr, I'll hurt you!!!! |
[BREAKTHRU1989] 09.02.2009 10:39 |
Hitchcock is english, but of course his main movies are hollywood films. Branagh is an Irish actor and director. Coppola is from italian descent, but who cares he's american. :-D And who are the other ones ? Welles, like in Herbert George ? Fleming like Ian ? and Fosse ? Sorry I'm not familiar with these guys, but it's probably because I know nothing in cinema or gastronomie, as we like other frenchmen only eat stinky chease :-D I think that all the french movies you have ever watched are the one that 1) topped french box office 2) cross the atlantic to compete for an oscar in best foreign movie ... And about Besson, he's probably more american than french in his film making, except of course what he did before Leon in 1994 ... |
FriedChicken 24.03.2009 11:30 |
Furia is great, it has some of Brian's finest work as a composer and it proves the fact that he's able to write motives and phrases and make great variations. |
john bodega 24.03.2009 12:28 |
Chuck Norris didn't lose his virginity. Chuck Norris never loses. |
Erin 24.03.2009 12:40 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Chuck Norris didn't lose his virginity. Chuck Norris never loses. **Pulls Walker Texas Ranger Lever** |
john bodega 24.03.2009 19:45 |
HAHA... wow, he's good! |
thequeen 24.03.2009 22:36 |
P-Staker wrote: I never suggested the French, as a nation, were all arrogant and chauvinist. I criticise French film (and French moldy cheese - seriously, guys, what the fuck? That's disgusting food!), but, for example, I admire French athletes. I supported France in the finals of 2006 World Cup, and I was furious when that wanker Materazzi provoked the greatest European football legend of all times, Zinedine Zidane. And please understand that it's not "either you love French cinema, or you love crap." Hollywood produces tons of crap, but who can deny Welles, Hitchcock, Kubrick, Coppola, Fleming, Branagh or Fosse are geniuses? And how about Tarkovsky from Russia, Kurosawa from Japan or Bergman from Sweden - I'm sorry, but 50s "film noir" looks like school plays next to them. How about modern Slavic film, the ruthless yet uplifting "Pretty Village, Pretty Flame" by Dragojevic or heart-shattering Time of the Gypsies by Kusturica (who's a despicable man, but very fine director.) How about Almodovar, del Toro, Ki-Duk, Matanic, Lee? All fresher, more interesting and better filmmakers than anything French film ever had to offer. Yes, the Lumiere brothers invented the film technology and Georges Melies was the first to realise films can tell a fictional story. That's the great - in fact, crucial - and undeniable contribution of the French to the film. After that, it's downhill. At least in the 50s the likes of Truffaut and Godard were copying good Hollywood films, but today, you get Besson who's a poor man's Lucas and Jeunet, a poor man's Boyle. Fuck YOU !!! that cheese makes me horny[img=/images/smiley/msn/kiss.gif][/img] hmmmmmmmmm ........................so good ! |
A_WintersTale 25.03.2009 06:27 |
I remember I bought Furia soundtrack when it was first released but I was not very impressed and I gave it away to a friend of mine who was an obsessed fan of Brian (Needless to say she was much happier with it then me.) I'm not to judge if it is good or bad because I have also never seen the movie. I wish I did as it (the movie) could tell best if who the soundtrack was doing it. However, all the remarks here about French movies here p*ssed me a bit off. I suppose in general French films are a bit too intelligently made for some Americans to swallow them (yeah, this ain't no popcorns and baseball!) |
Yara 25.03.2009 09:12 |
I have always had this opinion that some remarks don't deserve any reply at all. They are not worth debating. Because the debating itself affords them a relevance and significance they otherwise simply don't have. There are these remarks which come to the world just to be forgotten and enjoy a faint, vague, pale existence while they quietly make their way into the oblivion. |
aion 01.04.2009 09:02 |
Everything that the French do is shit. Please let me know if the French ever manage to make a decent song or a movie. But it's no wonder really because all the people are shit. I've been to France and met French people also outside France but I've never met a French person who isn't an arrogant, ill-mannered asshole. I doubt that it's possible to be French and still be a nice person. And Paris is probably the ugliest city in the world (a grey, drab, dirty and overcrowded place full of dog shit - I have no idea why anyone would want to go there, I was there once and that was enough). It's not my favourite country really. Especially French music is the biggest fucking joke in the world. |
A_WintersTale 01.04.2009 14:23 |
Re: aion - then sit in the God damn fucking Brooklyn and die there! |