kosimodo 31.01.2009 04:39 |
RIP Billy Powell fine Keyboard player of Lynyrd Skynyrd. His licks on Sweet Home Alabama are timeless. I met him at their inauguration to the USA Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in New York, three years ago. Sad he has left us. Rock on Billy. Bri Thatss what Brian wrote on is website... But.. didnt they play once somewhere in scandinavia at the same venue? I am thinking of a storey where Queen thought Lynyrd Skynyrd were a bunch of rednecks... they didnt get along at all... Somebody a better meory then me?? |
Saif 31.01.2009 05:22 |
kosimodo wrote: RIP Billy Powell fine Keyboard player of Lynyrd Skynyrd. His licks on Sweet Home Alabama are timeless. I met him at their inauguration to the USA Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in New York, three years ago. Sad he has left us. Rock on Billy. Bri Thatss what Brian wrote on is website... But.. didnt they play once somewhere in scandinavia at the same venue? I am thinking of a storey where Queen thought Lynyrd Skynyrd were a bunch of rednecks... they didnt get along at all... Somebody a better meory then me?? I doubt it. Lynyrd Skynyrd was never big outside the (southern) US. Them playing in Scandinavia sounds a bit fishy. They were a bunch of racist redneck fucks. They "proudly" displayed the confederate flag during their concerts. Bunch of assholes if you ask me. I think their music sucks too. As the dude from Green Day said, "I fucking hate Lynyrd Skynyrd!" |
Darren1977 31.01.2009 05:45 |
Roger stated in an interview once that he hated the band also. |
john bodega 31.01.2009 07:09 |
Come on, you guys are being terribly harsh. Truth is, of course, that their plane couldn't hit the ground hard enough. |
thomasquinn 32989 31.01.2009 07:14 |
RIP? I'll miss him as much as any other Klansman who can play a scale. |
Saif 31.01.2009 10:01 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: RIP? I'll miss him as much as any other Klansman who can play a scale.A lot of their ignorant fans don't know how racist they were... "In Birmingham, they love the governor Now we all did what we could do. Now Watergate does not bother me. Does your conscience bother you? ..." If that alone doesn't prove they're fucking rednecks, I don't know what does. The governor at the time was segregationist George Wallace. Dumbass Skynyrd freaks are quick to point out the barely audible "boo boo boo" after the first line I quoted but the "boo boo boo" barely sounds disapproving, IMO. |
The Fairy King 31.01.2009 10:03 |
I never liked them based on their music. This thread gave me another reason to dislike them. -.- |
kosimodo 31.01.2009 10:08 |
There must be some truth in my story... Darren1977 recalls an interview with Roger... |
Erin 31.01.2009 10:22 |
kosimodo wrote:
But.. didnt they play once somewhere in scandinavia at the same venue? I am thinking of a storey where Queen thought Lynyrd Skynyrd were a bunch of rednecks... they didnt get along at all...
Somebody a better meory then me??
They opened for Queen on these dates: 23 November 1974 - Koncerthus, Gothenburg, Sweden 05 December 1974 - Musikhalle, Hamburg, Germany |
kosimodo 31.01.2009 12:04 |
Thx Erin... With your help i could come further... Roger Taylor: (supposed in MOJO magazine) "They were awful. They were Southern rednecks and they could not believe it when they saw us four caked in make-up and dressed like women. They were outraged, confused and a little frightened, because the four nancy boys were giving them quite a run for their money on-stage ... God, Lynyrd Skynyrd! They were arseholes, frankly. When they played that song 'Free Bird' it seemed to go for months. As I remember they had three lead guitarists. Hmmm, well we only seemed to need one. Absolute arseholes. Later on they had that terrible fatal plane crash, didn't they? Shouldn't speak ill of the dead ... bollocks to that!" Maybe they didnt speak, but Brian did see Billy in 1974!:) Brian is getting older... luckely i am not;) |
Sebastian 31.01.2009 13:38 |
It means you're Peter Pan? Btw, I agree with the general vibe here: I'm not happy he's dead (couldn't care less, to be honest), but I don't regard him as a great musician. A good one, maybe, a great one, no. Rick Wright was a much greater loss for music IMO. |
Dan C. 31.01.2009 14:24 |
Neil Young wins again! I fucking HATE Lynyrd Skynyrd. A terrible band full of terrible people. |
thunderbolt 31742 31.01.2009 15:18 |
I, um, grew up in Jacksonville, went to school with the current lead singer's kid, and met them a couple of times after their performances at the Free Bird Cafe (a bar/venue they own out there). Can't say anything for the original guys beyond may they rest in peace, but the current incarnation of the band is a nice bunch of guys. Rowdy, yeah, but nice. And their music isn't half bad either. Yes, you are allowed to like both Skynyrd and Queen, even if the two bands more or less can't stand each other. |
redspecialusa 31.01.2009 19:27 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Come on, you guys are being terribly harsh. Truth is, of course, that their plane couldn't hit the ground hard enough. HOLY SHIT. I feel like an asshole for laughing at that comment. Why must you reach my dark, cynical humor Zebonka? I don't have anything personal against Skynyrd, I have a couple of their albums. They don't hold a candle to Queen in terms of talent, and in essence they are a very different band. But they are good Southern Rock. |
doxonrox 31.01.2009 19:59 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Come on, you guys are being terribly harsh. Truth is, of course, that their plane couldn't hit the ground hard enough. I don't like their music. But the actual truth is that they made a name for themselves in the music industry, regardless of what you envision their beliefs to be, while you live with your mom and post on Queenzone. Walk proud!!! |
Erin 31.01.2009 22:07 |
FREEEE BIIIIIIIIIIIIRRDD!!!! WOOOOO!!!!!!!!! ">link |
Knute 31.01.2009 23:55 |
I found this fan's response to the Roger quote. It's good for a laugh. ================================================== Hey Roger Taylor: The guys in Lynyrd Skynyrd went through the South in the late sixties and early seventies as rock-n-rollers with long hair! Do you think the sight of four effeminate limeys would scare them after facing all the good-old-boy roadside bars and backwoods joints they played while woodshedding? Ever heard Charlie Daniels' "Uneasy Rider"? If you are stupidly going to refer to the members of Skynyrd as "rednecks" because they were from the South (which, by the way Rog, is where rock 'n' roll was born), then I am going to refer to you and your fellow bandmates as "swishy Brits." And it's off the topic, but why has your country continued to make such pussified rock 'n' roll for the past quarter-century or so? Is the swishiness in your blood or what? And yes, while Skynyrd had three guitarists, they also didn't have to spend eight months in the studio overdubbing/multitracking/whatevering to come up with "Workin' For MCA" or "Saturday Night Special" - rockers which simply and straightly kick the ass of anything you and your mates ever came up with. "Free Bird" goes on for months? You're one to talk - how about "Bohemian Rhapsody" and that "We Will Rock You/We Are The Champions" monstrosity? Fuck, at least Skynyrd wasn't channeling a Nuremberg rally. I'll put the original Skynyrd's output of Pronounced through Street Survivors up against anything your cute little band came up with any time. "Bollocks" to respect for the dead? I agree. When Freddie Mercury croaked, I did a shot and cracked a beer and broke down and cried! Queen could never again get together to create more gems like "Bicycle Race"! Oh no! The tragedy! No more pretentious, overblown, aristocratic British rock! No more brilliance ala "Body Language"! Boo-hoo! What a loss! Finally, Roger, let's get something straight. Lynyrd Skynyrd was one of the finest, toughest, rock 'n' roll bands ever. Queen was an overblown, crappy pomposity of an outfit that performed show tunes covered up with a buncha overdubbed guitars and vocals. And as I type this, I sincerely hope that wherever they are ... Ronnie Van Zant is busting a pool cue over Freddie Mercury's skull. (Note: A letter-writer in the June issue of MOJO points out that the concerts occurred in 1974 and sent a photo of a ticket stub to prove it. Makes sense as Skynyrd was still in the bars in '71 and Queen's first album didn't come out until '73 - sloppy fact-checking by MOJO. The letter-writer also says at the show he attended that Skynyrd blew people away and half the crowd left before Queen came on. He and his pals got bored with Queen after a few numbers and also left.) |
john bodega 01.02.2009 00:24 |
doxonrox wrote: I don't like their music. But the actual truth is that they made a name for themselves in the music industry, regardless of what you envision their beliefs to be, while you live with your mom and post on Queenzone. Walk proud!!! I'm not a group of racist, cracker morons, though. I think I get at least half a brownie point for that. |
Knute 01.02.2009 00:29 |
He was a good solid piano player. His solo on Call Me the Breeze is excellent. It's not easy playing those boogie-woogie licks. I'm trying to learn that sort of shit right now. So to say he wasn't a good musician is just ignorant. All of them were good musicians and Van Zandt was a very good lyricist. In their recent incarnation they were pretty much a caricature of themselves and they become some run of the mill blase Americana band. But back in their heydey they were a good band. |
john bodega 01.02.2009 00:53 |
Knute wrote: they also didn't have to spend eight months in the studio overdubbing/multitracking/whatevering to come up with "Workin' For MCA" or "Saturday Night Special" And it showed... Thanks for pasting that letter though, I got a giggle out of it! |
Saif 01.02.2009 06:07 |
doxonrox wrote:Zebonka12 wrote: Come on, you guys are being terribly harsh. Truth is, of course, that their plane couldn't hit the ground hard enough.I don't like their music. But the actual truth is that they made a name for themselves in the music industry, regardless of what you envision their beliefs to be, while you live with your mom and post on Queenzone. Walk proud!!! Shut the hell up, you're obviously an idiot and it has nothing to do with Lynyrd Skynyrd. |
Holly2003 01.02.2009 08:43 |
What's thre reference to Charlie Daniels' "Uneasy Rider" all about then? It hardly supports the idea that Southerners aren't intolerant rednecks. |
Raf 01.02.2009 08:54 |
doxonrox wrote:Zebonka12 wrote: Come on, you guys are being terribly harsh. Truth is, of course, that their plane couldn't hit the ground hard enough.I don't like their music. But the actual truth is that they made a name for themselves in the music industry, regardless of what you envision their beliefs to be, while you live with your mom and post on Queenzone. Walk proud!!! At least Zebonka is still able to live with his mother. |
pma 01.02.2009 13:43 |
The intellectual quality of Queen fans is once again higlighted at queenzone when the name of Lynyrd Skynyrd is mentioned. The words "redneck", "racist" and "ignorant" are shouted out by numbskulls left and right, people who have never ever listened to Lynyrd Skynyrd to begin with, yet find themselves with expertise to label the legacy of such a fine band with such crude words. You people are pathetic at best. How about actually giving Skynyrd a spin? What? They have songs like The Ballad of Curtis Loew? About a white boy admiring a black man? No-way? Nooo, but you all knew that since you are our resident experts on racial relations (and music) People who are intellectually at the level of well, let's call this intellectual level "QUEENZONE" to signify a level of intellect, slightly below the IQ of 40, fail to see any irony in Sweet Home Alabama, by a band from Jacksonville, Florida (They're not from Alabama? waaa!). "Now we all did what we could do", could no possibly refer to people who helped further civil rights in the south, the "boo boo boo" could not possibly mean disapproval of "the governor" now could it. The confederate flag in Skynyrd concerts could not have been the sole idea of MCA-records, something the band felt very uncomfortable doing (RVZ especially) Rivalry with Neil Young? Yes, RVZ sure hated Young, enough to wear a t-shirt of Neil Young's "Tonights the Night"-album. Ever heard of urban legends? link link Skynyrd were supposed to record Young's "Powderfinger", which was sent to them as a demo by Young, sadly this never happened because of the fatal plane crash. Oh, the rivalry and hate between them. Sending demos and mutual admiration, how awful is that. Young befriended racist rednecks! Could it be that he knew the meaning of "irony"... Lynyrd Skynyrd endorsed Jimmy Carter (JIMMY f'ing CARTER) for president in 1976, played a few of his fundraisers. What a racist redneck thing to do! They even sang the ending line of "Sweet Home Alabama" at gigs as "Mr. Carter's got the answer", now that's just racist, ignorant and redneck isn't it. If there ever was an award for the most misunderstood song or band, Lynyrd Skynyrd would have no problems winning that award. But since a person at the level of "Queenzone" has heard from somewhere (or read online) that Skynyrd were racist, he sure as hell is going to repeat this view like any other chimp would. But as I'm an ignorant racist redneck fuck who likes Lynyrd Skynyrd, I'll get my coat and rush off to listen to those redneck NRA-loving racist fucks sing lyrics like... Hand guns are made for killin' Aint no good for nothin else And if you like your whiskey You might even shoot yourself So why dont we dump em people To the bottom of the sea Before some fool come around here Wanna shoot either you or me Its a saturday night special Got a barrel thats blue and cold Aint no good for nothin But put a man six feet in a hole Oh wait, that sounds quite familiar as a political stance on hand-guns doesn't it? Some talentless faggot-hacks who called themselves Queen did a much worse song with the same theme much later in the 80's... I heard they also played Sun City, those fucking racist pieces of shit. To hell with all of them. Atleast Brian May had more sense than his idiot internet fans, R.I.P Billy Powell. |
kosimodo 01.02.2009 14:20 |
easy dude... only one of the replies was saying they were racist.... that was his/her call I started this thread cause Brian should have met Bill allready in 1974... and not like he stated 3 years ago personly i do like lynnyrd skynnyrd. (my fav on guitar hero;) ) would never compare them with Queen tho...:) |
Saif 01.02.2009 20:25 |
pma wrote: Lynyrd Skynyrd endorsed Jimmy Carter (JIMMY f'ing CARTER) for president in 1976, played a few of his fundraisers. What a racist redneck thing to do! They even sang the ending line of "Sweet Home Alabama" at gigs as "Mr. Carter's got the answer", now that's just racist, ignorant and redneck isn't it. Rednecks can be both Republican and Democrat. I don't know if he was a racist, but Jimmy Carter was a fucking redneck. So obviously the rednecks voted for the redneck. Most of the South went for Jimmy Carter. You say that he endorsed Carter like it's a good thing or a non-redneck thing to do, which it isn't. |
redspecialusa 01.02.2009 22:02 |
Here's a little history for you. For most of the 20th Century, the majority of the Southern United States were controlled by a part of the Democrat party called the 'Dixie'crats. The real white power racist southern politicians...some of those Dixiecrats eventually drifted over to the other political party. But I just wanted to point that out so you have some what of a better understanding as to how things were in the South. The only part in that hateful response to Roger (that someone else quoted that was funny) that was true was that Rock 'n Roll was born in the Southern United States. My optimism about it is that things have by far and wide changed over the past 40 years, and the good old rock 'n roll is one of the many good things that came out of a trying time for my country, and it served to inspire others to move forward and live in peace. |
john bodega 02.02.2009 03:51 |
pma wrote: Atleast Brian May had more sense than his idiot internet fans, R.I.P Billy Powell. Yeah, he'll be lynching in Heaven! God bless! |
thomasquinn 32989 02.02.2009 04:57 |
Saif wrote:pma wrote: Lynyrd Skynyrd endorsed Jimmy Carter (JIMMY f'ing CARTER) for president in 1976, played a few of his fundraisers. What a racist redneck thing to do! They even sang the ending line of "Sweet Home Alabama" at gigs as "Mr. Carter's got the answer", now that's just racist, ignorant and redneck isn't it.Rednecks can be both Republican and Democrat. I don't know if he was a racist, but Jimmy Carter was a fucking redneck. So obviously the rednecks voted for the redneck. Most of the South went for Jimmy Carter. You say that he endorsed Carter like it's a good thing or a non-redneck thing to do, which it isn't. Rednecks are traditionally democrats, and in fact many Southerners voted democrat until Johnson "lost the South" by going Civil Rights and Nixon filled in the gap with "the Southern Strategy". Why do they vote democrat? Because the Democratic Party was, ever since the collapse of the Second Party System in the 1840s/1850s, the Democracy was the party of the South, and the Republicans were associated with Reconstruction. I don't give a shit if Lynyrd Skynyrd didn't *want* to play in front of a Confederate Battle Flag. They didn't refuse to, and so they had no moral fiber there. Fuck them. I don't give a damn what they personally supported or not, they wittingly and willingly embraced racist imagery, and that is inexcusable. |
Sheer Brass Neck 02.02.2009 05:27 |
The same moral fibre that Queen had while playing Sun City, or getting into bed with The Sun for the WWRY musical? |
mrbadguy86 02.02.2009 08:02 |
Why do people even mention Sun City? It was a good thing that some bands in the west played for both black and white back then, instead of just give a damn! Did they say NO if some black people wanted to go to the concert? NO! And yes, most of the southern people have conservative and at some point racists meanings. And I dont only referering to black people, but maybe even more GAY people, like Mercury himself! And isn't this a QUEENsite? Where do all the idiots who support Lynyrd Skynyrd coming from really? Its a kind of ironic that people are on this site, and spreading shit bout Queen! |
Saif 02.02.2009 08:31 |
mrbadguy86 wrote: Why do people even mention Sun City? It was a good thing that some bands in the west played for both black and white back then, instead of just give a damn! Did they say NO if some black people wanted to go to the concert? NO! And yes, most of the southern people have conservative and at some point racists meanings. And I dont only referering to black people, but maybe even more GAY people, like Mercury himself! And isn't this a QUEENsite? Where do all the idiots who support Lynyrd Skynyrd coming from really? Its a kind of ironic that people are on this site, and spreading shit bout Queen! O.K., that really wasn't very coherent. "most of the southern people have conservative and at some point racist meanings" - WTF!? Anyway, the part in bold was funny. Lynyrd Skynyrd sucks. They coulda been contenders, they coulda been somebodies, but they ain't nothin' but bums, which is what they are. By the by, there's nothing wrong with being a Southerner, being Republican OR being conservative. But there is something wrong with you if you're a "good ol' boy", if you know what I mean. |
mrbadguy86 02.02.2009 08:40 |
Good ol' boy? Meaning that I'm gay?:S didnt get that.. anyway.. none of your business, and any problems if I was? In that case, I feel bad for you, my dear ;-) |
Amazon 02.02.2009 08:45 |
I don't know much about Lynyrd Skynyrd beyond hearing 'Sweet Home Alabama' a few times, so I won't comment on whether they are racist. But am I the only one who takes it as a compliment at Queen's music getting called 'pretentious, overblown, aristocratic British rock'? [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] |
Saif 02.02.2009 09:28 |
mrbadguy86 wrote: Good ol' boy? Meaning that I'm gay?:S didnt get that.. anyway.. none of your business, and any problems if I was? In that case, I feel bad for you, my dear ;-) You completely misunderstood me. Good ol' boy = racist, typical "Suth'ner" white trash I was talking about Lynyrd Skynyrd fans, most of whom are Good Ol' Boys |
Legy 02.02.2009 11:25 |
The beauty of life is people grow wiser as they get older. I personally don't like Skynyrd, there's a few songs I like, Tuesday's Gone come to mind. While Roger is the more outspoken of the two, Brian is always the gentleman. It could be that when Skynyrd were inducted to the RRHF, they made amends. They could have let bygones be bygones and became good friends. Brian did post he was giving members of Skynard update versions of BHM guitars a few months ago. |
Erin 02.02.2009 12:01 |
I have Lynyrd Skynyrd's Greatest Hits. I'm a white trash redneck, I reckon. [img=/images/smiley/msn/regular_smile.gif][/img] |
john bodega 02.02.2009 12:05 |
artemismoon wrote: Brian did post he was giving members of Skynard update versions of BHM guitars a few months ago. I wasn't aware one could be awarded a guitar posthumously. Then again, you know you're in Heaven when Brian's sending you free shit ... ! |
teleman 02.02.2009 14:10 |
I don't much care for their music but having heard it on the radio constantly when I was young I can see why it was popular at the time. They were capable musicians who were successful beyond Southern Rock and at least on that level I can have a begrudging respect. As far as prejudices. I see as much from people assuming that people from the Southern USA are rednecks, good ol' boys, klansmen etc. as that presumed about the members of Skynyrd. Unless you were in the room when so called "events" took place or knew Skynyrd personally you don't have much to base an opinion on. And one more thing from those who wish to put down Americans and accuse them of being intolerant, I've traveled a great deal in my life and I've seen intolerance from every nationality. Some rivaling what Southerners are supposedly capable of. There's no excuse IMO for bigotry but until you can look in the mirror and say you've done your part to eradicate racism and intolerance from the planet and fostered a climate of good will you have no business pointing fingers. |
Legy 02.02.2009 15:43 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I wasn't aware one could be awarded a guitar posthumously. Then again, you know you're in Heaven when Brian's sending you free shit ... ! There's a current, or was a line up of Lynyrd Skynyrd that has toured the US pretty much every other summer since 1987. They last toured the US last year. There's a high probability the current line up will find a replacement for Powell and tour in '09. They were working on a new album. |
Legy 02.02.2009 18:42 |
oops. |
john bodega 02.02.2009 21:49 |
teleman wrote: until you can look in the mirror and say you've done your part to eradicate racism and intolerance from the planet and fostered a climate of good will you have no business pointing fingers. I have a smiley face on the back of my car. Any bigot who sees that is sure to melt into a warm fuzzy pile of niceness. I've done my duty! PS. I'd like to amend one of my previous posts (wherein I claim that the Skynrd plane 'couldn't hit the ground hard enough') and state that I didn't say this because I think they're a bunch of racists. I said this because I hate their freaking music, and just when I couldn't hate it anymore their most popular song got fed through the Kid Rock-inator and went around the world a second time. Like any of us needed to hear that shit song ever again... |
Flush_Gurdun 03.02.2009 11:15 |
Saif wrote:mrbadguy86 wrote: Why do people even mention Sun City? It was a good thing that some bands in the west played for both black and white back then, instead of just give a damn! Did they say NO if some black people wanted to go to the concert? NO! And yes, most of the southern people have conservative and at some point racists meanings. And I dont only referering to black people, but maybe even more GAY people, like Mercury himself! And isn't this a QUEENsite? Where do all the idiots who support Lynyrd Skynyrd coming from really? Its a kind of ironic that people are on this site, and spreading shit bout Queen!O.K., that really wasn't very coherent. "most of the southern people have conservative and at some point racist meanings" - WTF!? Anyway, the part in bold was funny. Lynyrd Skynyrd sucks. They coulda been contenders, they coulda been somebodies, but they ain't nothin' but bums, which is what they are. By the by, there's nothing wrong with being a Southerner, being Republican OR being conservative. But there is something wrong with you if you're a "good ol' boy", if you know what I mean. You completely misunderstood him BTW... he's fucking agreeing with you! lol I don't know much about LS, only the hits... which are ok, not a patch on Queen. I do agree with PMAs point that a lot of folk here do just jump on the band wagon. There friend says this, let's back him up. Maybe you should do a little research beyond a quote of Roger Taylor from the early 70s. Maybe they were "rednecks", "racist"... me personally, I don't know so I'm not gonna call them that without justification, which is what I think a lot of folk have done here based on Roger's quote solely. Without being argumentative, maybe read PMAs post closely then do a little research, then see what you feel. Don't just jump onto wiki either. Labelling someone "racist" without looking into it past a quote from you're favourite band's drummer is a little unfair is it not? Quite funny that a lot of people with such strong views on LS are either teens or a little older than so... wish I had all that wisdom at such an early age. Take time and read both sides of an argument before becoming so adamant you're right. |
doxonrox 04.02.2009 20:30 |
Zebonka12 wrote:teleman wrote: until you can look in the mirror and say you've done your part to eradicate racism and intolerance from the planet and fostered a climate of good will you have no business pointing fingers.I have a smiley face on the back of my car. Any bigot who sees that is sure to melt into a warm fuzzy pile of niceness. I've done my duty! PS. I'd like to amend one of my previous posts (wherein I claim that the Skynrd plane 'couldn't hit the ground hard enough') and state that I didn't say this because I think they're a bunch of racists. I said this because I hate their freaking music, and just when I couldn't hate it anymore their most popular song got fed through the Kid Rock-inator and went around the world a second time. Like any of us needed to hear that shit song ever again... You're my favorite Zoner, Zebo. Love your posts. As I said before, I don't like their music either. Actually, their drummer was a child molester, so racist is an upgrade! As an American, I remember very vividly when FM radio was dominated by Skynyrd and other "dumb rock" bands like Bad Company (yes, that Bad Company} and it bored the hell out me. I bought Live Killers on a gamble, and I never heard music the same way again. |
doxonrox 04.02.2009 20:34 |
Saif wrote:doxonrox wrote:Shut the hell up, you're obviously an idiot and it has nothing to do with Lynyrd Skynyrd.Zebonka12 wrote: Come on, you guys are being terribly harsh. Truth is, of course, that their plane couldn't hit the ground hard enough.I don't like their music. But the actual truth is that they made a name for themselves in the music industry, regardless of what you envision their beliefs to be, while you live with your mom and post on Queenzone. Walk proud!!! What has nothing to do with Skynyrd, Einstein? Don't get your panties in a wad over a joke. |
thunderbolt 31742 05.02.2009 16:07 |
As I've said before, I grew up in Jacksonville and went to high school with Johnny Van Zant's (current lead singer) daughter. I've met the band a couple of times, and seen them live both in larger venues and at the bar-grille they own in Jacksonville Beach. They definitely embrace the concept of "Southern rock," but more as a matter of heritage than hate. Let me elaborate. Growing up in the southern US, I saw plenty of hate. I also saw heritage at work. There was a savage civil rights beating in Jacksonville almost 50 years ago called "Ax Handle Saturday." A group of black teens sat-in at a department store soda counter, and when they refused to leave, a wave of violence swept the city, and the Klan showed up with baseball bats, lead pipes, and ax handles to administer a vicious beating to literally any black person in sight. Some years back, there was a ceremony in town to remember the 40th anniversary of the event. Among the 500 or so people who turned out (including myself, "good 'ol boy" that I was) was--you guessed it--Johnny Van Zant. He didn't make a scene of himself, he didn't play any music, nor was he even acknowledged, but he was there to remember that day. "Southern Rock" has always embraced the Confederate flag. We southerners are a defiant type--if you tell us we can't fly the stars 'n bars, we're liable to hang it twice as high, just to piss you off. I never latched on to the Confederate flag, but some of the people I knew who did spent their weekends working on Habitat for Humanity homes in the run-down, drugged-out "black" parts of town. I guess where I'm going with this is don't judge a band by its fans. Sure, Skynyrd appeals to rednecks and racists. So do lots of bands that members here hold in high regard--including Queen. Whether you like their music or not is your business, but saying that the plane "couldn't have hit the ground hard enough" is just disrespectful. What would happen if a Skynyrd fan were to come on these boards and say that Freddie "should've taken the rest of the band with him"? You'd all be singing a different tune, I promise you that. |
redspecialusa 05.02.2009 19:05 |
Well said Thunderbolt...I'm a native of Atlanta, and living in Tennessee currently. |
Erin 05.02.2009 20:03 |
I'm in SC, and most everyone here who "embraces the Rebel flag" is a big ole redneck. [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img] |
redspecialusa 05.02.2009 22:55 |
Well, people from SC also have a habit of starting wars too...hehe. [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img] They're a little more serious about things. Little historical humour there. |
john bodega 05.02.2009 23:27 |
Thunderbolt wrote: Whether you like their music or not is your business, but saying that the plane "couldn't have hit the ground hard enough" is just disrespectful.I think that's the idea. It is indeed 'my business', and since it's a forum I get to say what I think. It's beautiful! Thunderbolt wrote: What would happen if a Skynyrd fan were to come on these boards and say that Freddie "should've taken the rest of the band with him"? You'd all be singing a different tune, I promise you that. Nope, not me... I wouldn't give a shit. And I'm hoping the same can be said of any Skynyrd fan that wanders in here. Then again, these forums don't have a strict age limit so that probably isn't the case, but a guy can dream. |
Erin 05.02.2009 23:39 |
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Erin 05.02.2009 23:46 |
redspecialusa wrote: Well, people from SC also have a habit of starting wars too...hehe. They're a little more serious about things. Little historical humour there. Well, yes that's true. I think this pretty much sums up the flag debate. ">link |
Holly2003 06.02.2009 08:44 |
Is Freebird the one that goes errrrwrrrrr, errrwerrrrr, de de do do do do dat do you, werrr werrrrrnnnn, werrr , werrnnnn, doo do do de doo? Or is that another one of their songs? |
PieterMC 06.02.2009 08:46 |
Holly2003 wrote: Is Freebird the one that goes errrrwrrrrr, errrwerrrrr, de de do do do do dat do you, werrr werrrrrnnnn, werrr , werrnnnn, doo do do de doo? Or is that another one of their songs? That's it. |
Holly2003 06.02.2009 08:51 |
PieterMC wrote: Holly2003 wrote: Is Freebird the one that goes errrrwrrrrr, errrwerrrrr, de de do do do do dat do you, werrr werrrrrnnnn, werrr , werrnnnn, doo do do de doo? Or is that another one of their songs?That's it. Thanks Pieter. I'm surprised you recognised it though, because I missed a note. It should of course be: errrrwrrrrr, errrwerrrrr, de de do do do do dat do do, werrr werrrrrnnnn, werrr , werrnnnn, doo do do de doo and not: errrrwrrrrr, errrwerrrrr, de de do do do do dat do you, werrr werrrrrnnnn, werrr , werrnnnn, doo do do de doo Writing music is a lot harder than many people think... |
Erin 06.02.2009 10:40 |
^^ That's like when I mouth Brian's solos. Why did I stop taking guitar lessons!?? :-/ |
thomasquinn 32989 06.02.2009 12:42 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: The same moral fibre that Queen had while playing Sun City, or getting into bed with The Sun for the WWRY musical? Yes, indeed. I disagree with those three decisions, too (though only Sun City was a truly major offense). The difference is in proportion: one series of concerts in Sun City vs. a whole carreer of Reb imagery. |
thomasquinn 32989 06.02.2009 12:43 |
mrbadguy86 wrote: Why do people even mention Sun City? It was a good thing that some bands in the west played for both black and white back then, instead of just give a damn! Did they say NO if some black people wanted to go to the concert? NO! It was South Africa during apartheid. No black person could a) afford entry b) would've been allowed in. Technically, it was not illegal for black people to go to Sun City, but the government would've found an excuse to refuse them entry. You are either very ignorant or a very bad person for even saying this. |
thomasquinn 32989 06.02.2009 12:46 |
Thunderbolt wrote: "Southern Rock" has always embraced the Confederate flag. We southerners are a defiant type--if you tell us we can't fly the stars 'n bars, we're liable to hang it twice as high, just to piss you off. I never latched on to the Confederate flag, but some of the people I knew who did spent their weekends working on Habitat for Humanity homes in the run-down, drugged-out "black" parts of town. Patriotic Germans don't fly a swastika. There is no excuse for flying a Rebel Battle Flag, either. |
Mr. Farenheit 08.02.2009 18:10 |
This thread just shows how clueless people are about Americans and the Culture. Totally, utterly, clueless. |
Mr. Farenheit 08.02.2009 18:12 |
Good God. Freebird or Bohemian Rhaposdy....I could live happily without hearing either song again. |
Mr. Farenheit 08.02.2009 18:13 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Come on, you guys are being terribly harsh. Truth is, of course, that their plane couldn't hit the ground hard enough. Real Rock stars die in plane crashes. Freddie Mercury. Hmm....didnt he die from some disease from another mans cock? After peeing on himself in bed for weeks that is. Yea. Truly dignified way to go. |
john bodega 08.02.2009 22:09 |
Mr. Farenheit wrote: This thread just shows how clueless people are about Americans and the Culture. Totally, utterly, clueless. It's revenge for all of those people in America who don't have a clue about the rest of the world. (Message to those people : yes, it does exist, and it's lovely out here!). |
Saif 08.02.2009 23:38 |
Mr. Farenheit wrote:His post was funny. Yours is not. You lose, asshole.Zebonka12 wrote: Come on, you guys are being terribly harsh. Truth is, of course, that their plane couldn't hit the ground hard enough.Real Rock stars die in plane crashes. Freddie Mercury. Hmm....didnt he die from some disease from another mans cock? After peeing on himself in bed for weeks that is. Yea. Truly dignified way to go. |
Raf 09.02.2009 04:19 |
Zebonka12 wrote:...and we have a winner!...Mr. Farenheit wrote: This thread just shows how clueless people are about Americans and the Culture. Totally, utterly, clueless.It's revenge for all of those people in America who don't have a clue about the rest of the world. (Message to those people : yes, it does exist, and it's lovely out here!). |
Mr. Farenheit 09.02.2009 12:04 |
Zebonka12 wrote:Mr. Farenheit wrote: This thread just shows how clueless people are about Americans and the Culture. Totally, utterly, clueless.It's revenge for all of those people in America who don't have a clue about the rest of the world. (Message to those people : yes, it does exist, and it's lovely out here!). We know it's out there....antiquated streets, bad plumbing, and mostly ignorant citizens who smoke a lot. You can have it! |
Mr. Farenheit 09.02.2009 12:11 |
Saif wrote:Mr. Farenheit wrote:His post was funny. Yours is not. You lose, asshole.Zebonka12 wrote: Come on, you guys are being terribly harsh. Truth is, of course, that their plane couldn't hit the ground hard enough.Real Rock stars die in plane crashes. Freddie Mercury. Hmm....didnt he die from some disease from another mans cock? After peeing on himself in bed for weeks that is. Yea. Truly dignified way to go. Hmm.. I wasnt trying to be "funny." Truth hurts doesnt it? |
john bodega 09.02.2009 13:47 |
Mr. Farenheit wrote: We know it's out there....antiquated streets, bad plumbing, and mostly ignorant citizens who smoke a lot. You can have it! As I haven't encountered a single one of those things in the past month, it begs the question : Just where exactly have you been??? |
redspecialusa 10.02.2009 02:07 |
Mr. Farenheit wrote: This thread just shows how clueless people are about Americans and the Culture. Totally, utterly, clueless. Yup, they think they know it all don't they? |
mrbadguy86 10.02.2009 05:53 |
You are good to judge yourself, Mister:) Btw.. Boney M played their earlier actually, but no one even cared than so... |
Crisstti 11.02.2009 18:00 |
About Sun City, this is a quote from Brian: link You played Sun City in South Africa a few years ago. B) Yes we did. We stirred up a whole hornets nest of controversy. I) What's the current thinking from the Queen camp about return visits or the attitude to South Africa and apartheid? B) OK, the current thing is that we said we won't go back until this regime is gone. That's in response to what everyone else has said. We went there, and we're not ashamed of the fact that we went there. It would be very easy to say "OK, we made a mistake. Sorry" and all that stuff, but that's not really the truth. The truth is we thought very carefully about going and we considered that it was right because for the first time we were going to be able to play to non-segregated audiences, which we did, and it's absolutely true, whether people believe it or not. I was there, I saw it with my own eyes, I know what happened. We feel that by going there and by stating very clearly our point of view, which was that we were utterly opposed to apartheid, that we did a lot more to accelerate the end of that way of thinking in South Africa than many people have done by staying away. I know it's a very unpopular thing to say, probably, but it's the way we feel, and that's the truth. We've been there, we've seen it, we've talked to people of all races there and we feel that, well know for a fact that a lot of people who were there feel that it was right for us to go. It's kind of special for us, because we've been selling records in South Africa for a long time, but not just to the white part of South Africa. We've been selling records to the black community, particularly "Another One Bites The Dust" and "I Want To Break Free", which became like an anthem for the human rights people down there. So we feel very close to the people who are fighting for their rights there. By going there we feel like we helped them, and I know a lot of them there feel the same way. I can go on about t for a long time because it's something I feel very strongly about. Nevertheless, we've now had so much pressure from people, the UN committee, Little Steven and all his friends, that it's better to stay away that we've said "OK, we'll go along with you, we'll do it your way", and we've said we won't go back. I just pray that it's the right way. I think in my heart I'm not convinced that it's gonna do, that it's gonna be the best way to achieve the end which we all want to achieve. All I can say is that our aims are all the same, we just have slightly different ways of going about it. I) I think without going there, though, people very much think it's all a black and white situation. It's not, there's 16 shades of grey, and people don't realise that until they get there. B) That's right. That's right. That's so true, yeah. I would challenge so many of the people who come up with this very glib thing "OK we'll boycott the bastards. We're right, they're wrong." I would challenge them to go there and find out the real situation and then come back and say the same thing. Of course apartheid is wrong. Of course the present situation produces a lot of misery, but how do you go about bringing about the change? I'm not convinced that this isolation policy is right and I'm not convinced a cultural boycott has ever achieved a change of internal attitude in a country. I don't think there's any examples in history where this worked. I think all you do is tend to make people more bitter and more entrenched in their own opinions. Anyway, that's what I think. And on YouTube: link |
jackunion 19.02.2009 08:45 |
Hey Roger Taylor: The guys in Lynyrd Skynyrd went through the South in the late sixties and early seventies as rock-n-rollers with long hair! Do you think the sight of four effeminate limeys would scare them after facing all the good-old-boy roadside bars and backwoods joints they played while woodshedding? Ever heard Charlie Daniels' "Uneasy Rider"? If you are stupidly going to refer to the members of Skynyrd as "rednecks" because they were from the South (which, by the way Rog, is where rock 'n' roll was born), then I am going to refer to you and your fellow bandmates as "swishy Brits." And it's off the topic, but why has your country continued to make such pussified rock 'n' roll for the past quarter-century or so? Is the swishiness in your blood or what? And yes, while Skynyrd had three guitarists, they also didn't have to spend eight months in the studio overdubbing/multitracking/whatevering to come up with "Workin' For MCA" or "Saturday Night Special" - rockers which simply and straightly kick the ass of anything you and your mates ever came up with. "Free Bird" goes on for months? You're one to talk - how about "Bohemian Rhapsody" and that "We Will Rock You/We Are The Champions" monstrosity? Fuck, at least Skynyrd wasn't channeling a Nuremberg rally. I'll put the original Skynyrd's output of Pronounced through Street Survivors up against anything your cute little band came up with any time. "Bollocks" to respect for the dead? I agree. When Freddie Mercury croaked, I did a shot and cracked a beer and broke down and cried! Queen could never again get together to create more gems like "Bicycle Race"! Oh no! The tragedy! No more pretentious, overblown, aristocratic British rock! No more brilliance ala "Body Language"! Boo-hoo! What a loss! Finally, Roger, let's get something straight. Lynyrd Skynyrd was one of the finest, toughest, rock 'n' roll bands ever. Queen was an overblown, crappy pomposity of an outfit that performed show tunes covered up with a buncha overdubbed guitars and vocals. And as I type this, I sincerely hope that wherever they are ... Ronnie Van Zant is busting a pool cue over Freddie Mercury's skull. (Note: A letter-writer in the June issue of MOJO points out that the concerts occurred in 1974 and sent a photo of a ticket stub to prove it. Makes sense as Skynyrd was still in the bars in '71 and Queen's first album didn't come out until '73 - sloppy fact-checking by MOJO. The letter-writer also says at the show he attended that Skynyrd blew people away and half the crowd left before Queen came on. He and his pals got bored with Queen after a few numbers and also left.) Knute, you are a fucking cock. You stupid little ignoramus. Too right those dumb yanks lynyrd skidmark never spent months in the studio working on their songs - they wouldn't know how to construct a decent song anyway. To state that queen was an ' overblown, crappy pomposity' yet praise up lynyrd skidmark really shows your lack of any form of intelligence or knowledge. You are an ignoramus. And as for that twat ronnie van shat busting a pool cue over freddie's skull - how utterly juvenile, you little boy. Grow up you foolish little retard. Cock. |
jackunion 19.02.2009 09:07 |
Mr farenheit. Your post about freddie's death was absolutely pathetic, you little homophobe. Secondly your post concerning the rest of the world truly reveals your ignorance. Yeh, cause the usa is such a great country, ha ha. fucking laughable. Any country that can elect a retard like bush - well that speaks volumes. ( Btw, I'm not saying all americans are dumb - obviously not everyone wanted Bush as president.) A country that banned the 'break free' video because four men dressed up in drag - how behind the times can you get?!!! Trouble with some americans though is that they believe they are more superior than the rest of the world. Still ,they are still in their infancy compared to the rest of us, bless 'em. And just one look at your country's official music charts on any given week says it all - dominated by rap shit and rnb bollocks, basically music that will be forgotten overnight. Apart from Elvis, madonna and michael 'i love boys and chimps' jackson, your country really hasn't produced many lasting world-wide -succesful acts, has it? Whereas the uk (tiny as we are - and size does matter to you americans, just checks those waist-sizes!) has produced the most succesful bands and singers of all time. fact. The stones, the beatles, Queen, led zeppelin, the who, david bowie, elton john, cliff richard......... Regardless if your like or dislike those mentioned, the fact is they are all hugely succesful the world over. Go and fuck an apple pie. |
Knute 20.02.2009 19:43 |
jackunion wrote: Knute, you are a fucking cock. You stupid little ignoramus. Too right those dumb yanks lynyrd skidmark never spent months in the studio working on their songs - they wouldn't know how to construct a decent song anyway. To state that queen was an ' overblown, crappy pomposity' yet praise up lynyrd skidmark really shows your lack of any form of intelligence or knowledge. You are an ignoramus. And as for that twat ronnie van shat busting a pool cue over freddie's skull - how utterly juvenile, you little boy. Grow up you foolish little retard. Cock. Reading and comprehension are essential skills in this world. Read the first sentence of my post again and it will be clear to you that I didn't write that. And you are calling me an ignoramus? |
jackunion 23.02.2009 14:58 |
knute, I must hold my hands up and apologise to you. I obviously jumped the gun there - sorry! |
Knute 23.02.2009 19:04 |
jackunion wrote: knute, I must hold my hands up and apologise to you. I obviously jumped the gun there - sorry! No biggie. Apology accepted. |
john bodega 24.02.2009 01:07 |
You could still follow his advice and fuck an apple pie. *shrugs* I dunno, I've heard it's kinda fun! |