aion 26.12.2008 09:47 |
As we all know, only three songs on the Made In Heaven album were written and recorded post-Innuendo: A Winter's Tale, You Don't Fool Me and Mother Love. Of these, Winter's Tale was written by Freddie, You Don't Fool Me was written by John (as far as I know) and Mother Love was written by Brian and Freddie together. There was a period of about six months when the band worked on new songs, from the end of 1990 when Innuendo was finished to May 1991 when Freddie recorded his last vocal. I remember reading/hearing that Freddie begged the other three to write songs for him to sing; he said something to the effect of, if not exactly: "write me anything and I'll sing it". So, after Freddie pleaded the others to write songs for him, John wrote one song, Brian wrote half a song, and Roger apparently didn't manage to write anything. They were recording for half a year, so were there really only three songs they were working on? Of course they weren't doing new songs all of that time, not even nearly as Freddie just wasn't capable and they were also shooting videos and promoting Innuendo and working on solo projects, but still, it seems strange to me that they were trying to record a new album - or at least do as much new material as possible as that's what Freddie wanted - and yet they had only three songs. Plus Roger's writing block seems quite odd as he had been rather prolific lately, writing music for two bands and creating such big songs within the past year as Innuendo, These Are The Days Of Our Lives and New Dark Ages (by the way am I the only one who thinks that Roger should have given New Dark Ages for Freddie instead of The Cross?). How can it be that your friend, a man basically on his death bed asks you to write songs for him and you won't write one single song, even though you have six months to do that and you've been something of a prolific songwriter lately? Is it possible that there would have in fact been more than three songs the band were working on in 1991, but for whatever reason those songs still haven't been released (maybe they were too incomplete or something)? |
ingosuntken 26.12.2008 11:02 |
Perhaps some of the songs were used for "Back To The Light" or "Happiness!?"...........There are probably some songs from these two albums with Freddie on lead vocals in the original version!? Let's ask Greg Brooks......... |
Lester Burnham 26.12.2008 11:17 |
'You Don't Fool Me' was written by Freddie and Roger. |
cmsdrums 27.12.2008 05:29 |
I think I read Roger stating once that New Dark Ages was written for Queen but discarded. Perhaps a Queen demo version exists, like the Too Much Love Will kill You one did from The Miracle sessions?? |
Pim Derks 27.12.2008 06:33 |
Freedom Train has been confirmed by Greg at the Dutch Queen Convention a couple of years back. No idea how similar it sounds to the final version on Happiness, but it was recorded with Freddie. |
andreas_mercury 27.12.2008 07:24 |
thats total bullshit his last sessions were in weeks previous to his DEMISE ask dave richards.......... fucking shit. |
FriedChicken 27.12.2008 09:19 |
I seriously doubt that Freddie was involved with the writings of Mother Love |
Pim Derks 27.12.2008 11:02 |
FriedChicken wrote: I seriously doubt that Freddie was involved with the writings of Mother Love Apparently the song was titled "Moustache Love" until Brian got involved. |
bigV 27.12.2008 19:48 |
aion wrote: by the way am I the only one who thinks that Roger should have given New Dark Ages for Freddie instead of The Cross? I read somewhere that when Roger brought NDA to the "Innuendo" recording sessions John's reaction was something along the lines of: "If you make him sing this I'm leaving!". I happen to agree with Deaky. That song was wrong for Freddie. At that point making social commentary is the last thing he should've been doing. It just wouldn't be right. And by the way, Roger DID give NDA to Queen. He just reworked it and called eit "These Are the Days of Our Lives". So there. V. |
john bodega 28.12.2008 03:06 |
Pim Derks wrote: Apparently the song was titled "Moustache Love" until Brian got involved. "I can shave it if you see me cry, I long for peeeee before I die". |
aion 28.12.2008 09:21 |
andreas_mercury wrote: thats total bullshit his last sessions were in weeks previous to his DEMISE ask dave richards.......... fucking shit.That's ridiculous, Freddie wasn't in the physical condition to sing only weeks before his death. To be precise his last vocal was on May 22nd 1991. Lester Burnham wrote: 'You Don't Fool Me' was written by Freddie and Roger.How do you know this? bigV wrote: I read somewhere that when Roger brought NDA to the "Innuendo" recording sessions John's reaction was something along the lines of: "If you make him sing this I'm leaving!". I happen to agree with Deaky. That song was wrong for Freddie. At that point making social commentary is the last thing he should've been doing. It just wouldn't be right. Maybe you're right - I definitely don't think Freddie should have sung The Also Rans although that was also written by Roger. It should have been a strict no to The Also Rans, and perhaps to New Dark Ages as well. But Freedom Train sounds good; I never knew before that Freddie sang it, but that's a good song and now I wish it would have ended up on Made In Heaven and not on Happiness?. It would have been a good fit on MIH (especially if the lines about romance were removed). I have another question regarding Made In Heaven: does anobody know how did the band end up reworking Freddie's Made In Heaven song and I Was Born To Love You, and did they consider reworking any other songs instead of these two? It's quite easy to see why they chose to rework the former, but I'd be interested to know if they had another option for the other song. |
Pim Derks 28.12.2008 09:37 |
Apparently John Deacon did a remix of There Must Be More To Life Than This around 1995/1996. Maybe it was consired for MIH - no idea. |
cmsdrums 28.12.2008 16:57 |
I have another question regarding Made In Heaven: does anobody know how did the band end up reworking Freddie's Made In Heaven song and I Was Born To Love You, and did they consider reworking any other songs instead of these two? It's quite easy to see why they chose to rework the former, but I'd be interested to know if they had another option for the other song. I've often wondered this - I have read an interview with Brian when the Freddie solo stuff came out in which he says that they have no say in Freddie's solo releases, and no control over the material at all. I wonder how this tallies with them then covering a couple of Freddie's songs, along with using his vocal on MIH. I suppose it could be that they just treat it the same as if they were covering any other artist and just apply for the relevant licences and approvals, but just have a lot more ease in getting hold of the original master tapes!! |
Penetration_Guru 28.12.2008 17:59 |
cmsdrums wrote:I have another question regarding Made In Heaven: does anobody know how did the band end up reworking Freddie's Made In Heaven song and I Was Born To Love You, and did they consider reworking any other songs instead of these two? It's quite easy to see why they chose to rework the former, but I'd be interested to know if they had another option for the other song.I've often wondered this - I have read an interview with Brian when the Freddie solo stuff came out in which he says that they have no say in Freddie's solo releases, and no control over the material at all. I wonder how this tallies with them then covering a couple of Freddie's songs, along with using his vocal on MIH. I suppose it could be that they just treat it the same as if they were covering any other artist and just apply for the relevant licences and approvals, but just have a lot more ease in getting hold of the original master tapes!! Reading between the lines of the original quote (whic I think was in a fan club letter), I think they did a deal - get access to those two tracks in return for not dissing the FM album and associated remixes. |
andreas_mercury 28.12.2008 21:07 |
aion wrote: That's ridiculous, Freddie wasn't in the physical condition to sing only weeks before his death. To be precise his last vocal was on May 22nd 1991. shows what you know dirty fucking rat. he took off when he took off his medication to stop, you see when he stopped taking that meds he had a bit more energy for an even short time and did some more singing. are you even calling dave richards a liar?? who am i going to listen to - you or him? LOL game over, freddie was singing after May. like they made the these are days of our lives video in May around the date your suggesting, are you going to stand serious face and say that he could stand under studio lights and wear hot makeup, but that he wouldnt be able to sit in a comfy chair and sing???? you are a swine. dont belittle his achevemets. |
Sebastian 29.12.2008 08:13 |
Phoebe also confirms Fred was singing during his last visit to Switzerland in October. Btw, of course Fred was involved in the writing of Mother Love: Brian's commented a couple of times on how they worked together on an embryonic verse, being their last experience collaborating (they had some more during those days, like Bijou). Moreover, there's the manuscript (missing the last verse), and of course the credits: May/Mercury. When the credit said Queen, you could assume it was a matter of agreement but one of them could've been not involved (e.g. Roger and Party), but when it's a double-credit, in the case of Queen, it's obvious that there's a reason for it. Now, of course May contributed more to ML than Fred, but that's another story. And indeed, You Don't Fool Me is Mercury/Taylor. It was John who stopped contributing to the songwriting side after the 80's were over. His only input consisted of co-creating TSMGO sequence with Rog, and re-organising Hitman's structure. |
Darren1977 29.12.2008 09:02 |
I know i'm off topic a bit, but i am fairly sure that during the recording of Innuendo, John was apparently absent a lot as "he was on holiday" and that Brian played a lot of his bass parts. Can;t remember where i read it, could have been a tabloid so probably not that accurate but they were quoting Brian. Who knows. Was there ever any intention to have a follow up to Barcelona or continue on with his idea of a covers album, as he had recorded The Great Pretender. |
Sebastian 29.12.2008 09:06 |
That's utter pish. John played all the (human) bass parts on the album. Brian's got loads of enviable skills, but playing bass isn't one of them. |
Rick 29.12.2008 09:24 |
He wrote My Secret Fantasy, right? Okay okay, I wouldn't really call it a masterpiece, but still... |
john bodega 29.12.2008 10:18 |
Sebastian wrote: That's utter pish. John played all the (human) bass parts on the album. Brian's got loads of enviable skills, but playing bass isn't one of them. I couldn't see Brian playing some of the crazy sounding bits in "I'm Going Slightly Mad", put it that way!! Inasumuch as there's some programmed drums on the Innuendo album though, I could see Brian doing simpler bass stuff. As I can't recall any at this moment in time, I wouldn't bank on it though. |
Sebastian 29.12.2008 11:11 |
I think I'd written something about it before but I don't remember where, so here it goes: Innuendo: Bass is completely human, so are drums. Slightly Mad: Bass is human, drums combine human (the basic pattern) with some e-drums and/or programming. Headlong: Bass is human (final cut, that is), drums are mostly programmed. I Can't Live With You: Ditto. Don't Try So Hard: Both bass and drums are human, and very well-played too! Ride the Wild Wind: A bit of both. I was wrong about the main drum pattern: it's human indeed. All God's People: Bass is 100% human, drums are mostly programmed except for the gospel bit. Days of Our Lives: Bass is 100% human, drums are mostly programmed. Delilah: Ditto. The Hitman: Bass is 100% human, drums are mostly human but there's some programming in the synth-part. Bijou: No bass or drums (though there's some sort of percussive synth-sound near the end of the vocal bit). Show Must Go On: Both are completely human, and a marvellous performance by both. So, to sum up, John actually participated more on that album that Roger (on instruments, of course vocals and songwriting are another story). |
aion 29.12.2008 14:10 |
andreas_mercury wrote: shows what you know dirty fucking rat. he took off when he took off his medication to stop, you see when he stopped taking that meds he had a bit more energy for an even short time and did some more singing. are you even calling dave richards a liar?? who am i going to listen to - you or him? LOL game over, freddie was singing after May. like they made the these are days of our lives video in May around the date your suggesting, are you going to stand serious face and say that he could stand under studio lights and wear hot makeup, but that he wouldnt be able to sit in a comfy chair and sing???? you are a swine. dont belittle his achevemets.Having a bad day, huh? I think you need to work on your manners quite a bit. Anyway, David Richards says in the Champions of the World video that Freddie's last vocal was recorded in May. I haven't watched the video in a while, but this next quote is from Queenpedia website: Varying accounts have indicated the time period when Freddie was unable to continue working on the album. While David Richards had somewhat carelessly said that Freddie finished his last vocal and then passed away ten days later, he had also explained in the Champions Of The World documentary that Freddie's final vocal was on 22 May 1991, and then held up a studio track sheet of Mother Love that confirmed this. It's likely that the sessions extended no further than June 1991; as much of a workaholic as he was, Freddie also valued his rest and relaxation. Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton have also claimed that Freddie was unable to speak in his last weeks, and, listening to Mother Love, it's not possible he recorded his vocal ten days before he died. Sebastian wrote: And indeed, You Don't Fool Me is Mercury/Taylor. It was John who stopped contributing to the songwriting side after the 80's were over. His only input consisted of co-creating TSMGO sequence with Rog, and re-organising Hitman's structure. I always thought that John wrote Don't Try So Hard, but I guess not... |
Sebastian 29.12.2008 16:13 |
Don't Try So Hard is Freddie's. OTOH My Life Has Been Saved is John's. |
andreas_mercury 30.12.2008 00:43 |
aion wrote: Having a bad day, huh? I think you need to work on your manners quite a bit. Anyway, David Richards says in the Champions of the World video that Freddie's last vocal was recorded in May. I haven't watched the video in a while, but this next quote is from Queenpedia website: Varying accounts have indicated the time period when Freddie was unable to continue working on the album. While David Richards had somewhat carelessly said that Freddie finished his last vocal and then passed away ten days later, he had also explained in the Champions Of The World documentary that Freddie's final vocal was on 22 May 1991, and then held up a studio track sheet of Mother Love that confirmed this. It's likely that the sessions extended no further than June 1991; as much of a workaholic as he was, Freddie also valued his rest and relaxation. Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton have also claimed that Freddie was unable to speak in his last weeks, and, listening to Mother Love, it's not possible he recorded his vocal ten days before he died. OMG i cant even believe you talking to me about manners!!!!! im not the man to cut down freddies greatest acomplishents. champions of the world is obvious not factual in that bit he is just mistaken, it is quite obviously and well known that freddie did mother love when you say he did but that in the event he did the final verse of a winners tale sometime in the month or maybe a bit more before he died, in metropolis studio. peter freestone and jim huton are also either senile or liars to you because in both their books freddie says a bunch of the stuff in his 'last week's so-called LOL this is too easy |
mike hunt 30.12.2008 01:42 |
andreas_mercury wrote:aion wrote: Having a bad day, huh? I think you need to work on your manners quite a bit. Anyway, David Richards says in the Champions of the World video that Freddie's last vocal was recorded in May. I haven't watched the video in a while, but this next quote is from Queenpedia website: Varying accounts have indicated the time period when Freddie was unable to continue working on the album. While David Richards had somewhat carelessly said that Freddie finished his last vocal and then passed away ten days later, he had also explained in the Champions Of The World documentary that Freddie's final vocal was on 22 May 1991, and then held up a studio track sheet of Mother Love that confirmed this. It's likely that the sessions extended no further than June 1991; as much of a workaholic as he was, Freddie also valued his rest and relaxation. Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton have also claimed that Freddie was unable to speak in his last weeks, and, listening to Mother Love, it's not possible he recorded his vocal ten days before he died.OMG i cant even believe you talking to me about manners!!!!! im not the man to cut down freddies greatest acomplishents. champions of the world is obvious not factual in that bit he is just mistaken, it is quite obviously and well known that freddie did mother love when you say he did but that in the event he did the final verse of a winners tale sometime in the month or maybe a bit more before he died, in metropolis studio. peter freestone and jim huton are also either senile or liars to you because in both their books freddie says a bunch of the stuff in his 'last week's so-called LOL this is too easy don't worry, aion is a typical internet idiot. He thinks he somehow knows more than the people who were close to freddie and queen in 1991. |
mike hunt 30.12.2008 03:08 |
aion wrote: As we all know, only three songs on the Made In Heaven album were written and recorded post-Innuendo: A Winter's Tale, You Don't Fool Me and Mother Love. Of these, Winter's Tale was written by Freddie, You Don't Fool Me was written by John (as far as I know) and Mother Love was written by Brian and Freddie together. There was a period of about six months when the band worked on new songs, from the end of 1990 when Innuendo was finished to May 1991 when Freddie recorded his last vocal. I remember reading/hearing that Freddie begged the other three to write songs for him to sing; he said something to the effect of, if not exactly: "write me anything and I'll sing it". So, after Freddie pleaded the others to write songs for him, John wrote one song, Brian wrote half a song, and Roger apparently didn't manage to write anything. They were recording for half a year, so were there really only three songs they were working on? Of course they weren't doing new songs all of that time, not even nearly as Freddie just wasn't capable and they were also shooting videos and promoting Innuendo and working on solo projects, but still, it seems strange to me that they were trying to record a new album - or at least do as much new material as possible as that's what Freddie wanted - and yet they had only three songs. Plus Roger's writing block seems quite odd as he had been rather prolific lately, writing music for two bands and creating such big songs within the past year as Innuendo, These Are The Days Of Our Lives and New Dark Ages (by the way am I the only one who thinks that Roger should have given New Dark Ages for Freddie instead of The Cross?). How can it be that your friend, a man basically on his death bed asks you to write songs for him and you won't write one single song, even though you have six months to do that and you've been something of a prolific songwriter lately? Is it possible that there would have in fact been more than three songs the band were working on in 1991, but for whatever reason those songs still haven't been released (maybe they were too incomplete or something)? you don't even have your facts straight!... We all know John didn't write 'you don't fool me' and roger wasn't the creator of Innuendo. do some research!....The song started as a Jam session from brian, roger, and John. Freddie heard it from another room and took it over, writing the melody, and started the lryics. Fred also wrote the middle section, while Roger finished the lryics. You don't even know who wrote what! |
Kevin Hughes 30.12.2008 03:54 |
Regarding who wrote " You dont fool me " It was written by Freddie and John.I went to The University of Hertfordshire to see " An evening with Brian May" 9th January 2004.During the question and answer session, when asked who wrote " You dont fool me " Brian said It was Freddie and John.Regarding Innuendo, I thought It was written by Roger?, im sure I have heard an Interview with Roger for an American radio station, not long after Innuendo was released, when, Roger claimed to have written the lyrics for Innuendo. |
mike hunt 30.12.2008 04:52 |
Kevin Hughes wrote: Regarding who wrote " You dont fool me " It was written by Freddie and John.I went to The University of Hertfordshire to see " An evening with Brian May" 9th January 2004.During the question and answer session, when asked who wrote " You dont fool me " Brian said It was Freddie and John.Regarding Innuendo, I thought It was written by Roger?, im sure I have heard an Interview with Roger for an American radio station, not long after Innuendo was released, when, Roger claimed to have written the lyrics for Innuendo. yes, most of the lryics except for the middle section was roger, but freddie wrote most of the music and started the lryics. Roger finished them. A little research people! |
Holly2003 30.12.2008 04:54 |
Why does every discussion have to end with morons shouting at eachother? This is actually a good topic so please keep it that way. |
cmsdrums 30.12.2008 06:03 |
Sebastian wrote: Headlong: Bass is human (final cut, that is), drums are mostly programmed. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm really surprised that headlong drums are mostly programmed. The feel and sound of the drums are typical Roger, including his trademark hi hat opening on the snare, and the snare and tom fills such before the solo etc... It could be that as the verse parts are pretty straight that he recorded once and then they copied the parts over and pver, but that wouldn't be the same as 'programmed' (ie completely fake) drums |
thomasquinn 32989 30.12.2008 07:21 |
Sebastian wrote: That's utter pish. John played all the (human) bass parts on the album. Brian's got loads of enviable skills, but playing bass isn't one of them. If you can play the guitar, you can play bass guitar. Not necessarily expertly, but you can manage. It's not too different from saxophone: if you can play the tenor, you can play the baritone; again, not necessarily expertly, but you'd manage. |
Sebastian 30.12.2008 09:12 |
It's not *that* simple. Brian, Roger and maybe even Freddie could obviously play a simple line, but they were not even close to John's abilities. It's like Brian singing Show Must Go On: he could hit the notes (even the very high ones), he could do the phrasing, but it's completely different when a genius takes it over. While John's not a bass genius, he was definitely an expert. As for Freddie's last recordings: I think Phoebe confirmed somewhere that his last visit to Switzerland was during October, and he was still doing vocals then. As for songwriting: Some people here are still living in 1995, it seems ;) Headlong: Maybe it's a similar case to Slightly Mad - a looped pattern + loads of synths. |
aion 30.12.2008 09:53 |
andreas_mercury wrote: OMG i cant even believe you talking to me about manners!!!!! im not the man to cut down freddies greatest acomplishents. champions of the world is obvious not factual in that bit he is just mistaken, it is quite obviously and well known that freddie did mother love when you say he did but that in the event he did the final verse of a winners tale sometime in the month or maybe a bit more before he died, in metropolis studio. peter freestone and jim huton are also either senile or liars to you because in both their books freddie says a bunch of the stuff in his 'last week's so-called LOL this is too easyRight. When David Richards says something you like, he's correct, when he says something you don't like - which he also proves by showing the studio track sheet - he's simply mistaken. Your arguments are the greatest ever, you should be a lawyer or something. Exactly what was your proof that Freddie recorded his last vocal weeks before he died? mike hunt wrote: don't worry, aion is a typical internet idiot. He thinks he somehow knows more than the people who were close to freddie and queen in 1991. mike hunt wrote: you don't even have your facts straight!... We all know John didn't write 'you don't fool me' and roger wasn't the creator of Innuendo. do some research!....The song started as a Jam session from brian, roger, and John. Freddie heard it from another room and took it over, writing the melody, and started the lryics. Fred also wrote the middle section, while Roger finished the lryics. You don't even know who wrote what! I can see another fine, well-behaving gentleman right here. Well Sherlock, I guess you were too intelligent to notice it but I started this thread to ask questions and get facts straight, this isn't a thread where I claim to know everything about the band. I don't know what's wrong with you people. |
andreas_mercury 30.12.2008 22:04 |
aion wrote: Right. When David Richards says something you like, he's correct, when he says something you don't like - which he also proves by showing the studio track sheet - he's simply mistaken. Your arguments are the greatest ever, you should be a lawyer or something. Exactly what was your proof that Freddie recorded his last vocal weeks before he died?freestone says he was, and besides which its probably not even the right track sheet lol its probably from when brian did his demo or something im not a lawyer aion wrote: I can see another fine, well-behaving gentleman right here. Well Sherlock, I guess you were too intelligent to notice it but I started this thread to ask questions and get facts straight, this isn't a thread where I claim to know everything about the band. I don't know what's wrong with you people. what are you going to do, go cry? gonna cry?? |
mike hunt 31.12.2008 01:35 |
aion wrote:andreas_mercury wrote: OMG i cant even believe you talking to me about manners!!!!! im not the man to cut down freddies greatest acomplishents. champions of the world is obvious not factual in that bit he is just mistaken, it is quite obviously and well known that freddie did mother love when you say he did but that in the event he did the final verse of a winners tale sometime in the month or maybe a bit more before he died, in metropolis studio. peter freestone and jim huton are also either senile or liars to you because in both their books freddie says a bunch of the stuff in his 'last week's so-called LOL this is too easyRight. When David Richards says something you like, he's correct, when he says something you don't like - which he also proves by showing the studio track sheet - he's simply mistaken. Your arguments are the greatest ever, you should be a lawyer or something. Exactly what was your proof that Freddie recorded his last vocal weeks before he died?mike hunt wrote: don't worry, aion is a typical internet idiot. He thinks he somehow knows more than the people who were close to freddie and queen in 1991.mike hunt wrote: you don't even have your facts straight!... We all know John didn't write 'you don't fool me' and roger wasn't the creator of Innuendo. do some research!....The song started as a Jam session from brian, roger, and John. Freddie heard it from another room and took it over, writing the melody, and started the lryics. Fred also wrote the middle section, while Roger finished the lryics. You don't even know who wrote what!I can see another fine, well-behaving gentleman right here. Well Sherlock, I guess you were too intelligent to notice it but I started this thread to ask questions and get facts straight, this isn't a thread where I claim to know everything about the band. I don't know what's wrong with you people. your questions are anwsered, so why are you argung?...freestone, greg brooks and richards all have said when freddie's last vocal take was, yet your still arguing that fact. |
Rick 31.12.2008 04:33 |
No, it's members like "andreas_mercury" who ruin the whole discussion. If "aion" hasn't got his facts straight, well fine, you could at least correct him using reasonable arguments. Does name calling help to any extent? Rhetorical question. |
aion 31.12.2008 10:13 |
andreas_mercury wrote: freestone says he was, and besides which its probably not even the right track sheet lol its probably from when brian did his demo or something im not a lawyerI'm quite ready to believe that Freddie did his last vocal take in October if Richards, Freestone etc. all say that, but it's not like your word alone means a damn thing to me. what are you going to do, go cry? gonna cry?? You are a very childish person, please grow up some day. Most likely you aren't older than 10 years, but if you are (which I find hard to believe) it's amazing that you don't realise how stupid you make yourself look. |
Sebastian 31.12.2008 11:58 |
I haven't got quotes at the moment, but it's been confirmed that Fred's last visit to Montreux was to record. Now: 'Freddie had flown back from Switzerland on Saturday, November 9, 1991having made up his mind that he was no longer going to take any of the drugs that were keeping him alive' (Freddie Mercury: An Intimate Memoir..., page 232). |
andreas_mercury 31.12.2008 12:27 |
Rick wrote: No, it's members like "andreas_mercury" who ruin the whole discussion. bull crap to you! this forum is so disjoint sometimes its like a warzone. im like a soldier on the frontlines here i have to make the thread make some sense. maybe i should be more choosy in not insulting people like aion because its not his fault that he doesnt know what hes talking about, but i dont think i should even sit here and listen to him discount the achevnments of freddie mercury in his swan song days. |
andreas_mercury 31.12.2008 12:31 |
aion wrote: I'm quite ready to believe that Freddie did his last vocal take in October if Richards, Freestone etc. all say that, but it's not like your word alone means a damn thing to me.theres a real good saying along the lines to something like 'listen to what's being said, and not the person who is saying it'. i read the same quotes and interviews that to you read and watch, since i dont see that track sheet in front of me at this second i cant say if its relevent or if it means to some other session. people are mistakes all the time, especially the fog memory of Brain may. aion wrote: You are a very childish person, please grow up some day. Most likely you aren't older than 10 years, but if you are (which I find hard to believe) it's amazing that you don't realise how stupid you make yourself look. oh please, to call me childish!!!!! so it isnt even my native language and i struggle to make my points heard but tell you something pal, if anyones childish here..... you coming onto this forum out of blue yonder and talk trash to fans of Queen who probably put in more time to learning on the subejct than you do! i have good advice, you probably want to just start a new account instead of admitting to being you. |
aion 31.12.2008 15:51 |
andreas_mercury wrote: oh please, to call me childish!!!!! so it isnt even my native language and i struggle to make my points heard but tell you something pal, if anyones childish here..... you coming onto this forum out of blue yonder and talk trash to fans of Queen who probably put in more time to learning on the subejct than you do! i have good advice, you probably want to just start a new account instead of admitting to being you. Sorry kid but your posts are getting more and more pathetic. Listen darling, I can see that you're angry because mama didn't let you eat more cookies but there's no use in you waving your tiny fists here, you're just amusing to everyone else in the forum. Get back to me with your little insults when you turn at least 15 (or learn to write - judging from your grammar and punctuation this message board is the first place where you've ever tried to write any words down). |
oh-ja 31.12.2008 16:42 |
andreas, es gibt wohl kaum einen grund, hier derartig rumzumeckern. lerne, dich zu benehmen, dann findest du vielleicht sogar irgendwann einen weg, andere an deinem wissen teilhabenzulassen - falls es denn dafür überhaupt reicht. auch hat freddie es nicht nötig, in dieser weise von dir verteidigt zu werden (zumal hier niemand etwas schlechtes über ihn gesagt hat) - typischer fan-größenwahn ... also: locker bleiben, füße stillhalten, erwachsen werden. gruß ha-jo |
inu-liger 31.12.2008 16:55 |
aion wrote:andreas_mercury wrote: oh please, to call me childish!!!!! so it isnt even my native language and i struggle to make my points heard but tell you something pal, if anyones childish here..... you coming onto this forum out of blue yonder and talk trash to fans of Queen who probably put in more time to learning on the subejct than you do! i have good advice, you probably want to just start a new account instead of admitting to being you.Sorry kid but your posts are getting more and more pathetic. Listen darling, I can see that you're angry because mama didn't let you eat more cookies but there's no use in you waving your tiny fists here, you're just amusing to everyone else in the forum. Get back to me with your little insults when you turn at least 15 (or learn to write - judging from your grammar and punctuation this message board is the first place where you've ever tried to write any words down). ENOUGH ALREADY, FFS. GET BACK TO THE MAIN SUBJECT! |
andreas_mercury 31.12.2008 22:23 |
aion wrote Sorry kid but your posts are getting more and more pathetic. Listen darling, I can see that you're angry because mama didn't let you eat more cookies but there's no use in you waving your tiny fists here, you're just amusing to everyone else in the forum. Get back to me with your little insults when you turn at least 15 (or learn to write - judging from your grammar and punctuation this message board is the first place where you've ever tried to write any words down). LOL i dont even know how you can be in a position to call me pathetic. you fall right in the pigeon hole of people who say 'darling' just to sound like queen fans, and you couldnt even address anything i said. absolute hilarious. and this message forum is the only place i try to use English, so what, i try to be convenient for people not so that they dont have to always use Babelfish (more like BABBLE FISH lol) to know what i'm posting cant even stay on topic can you? i guess since you know nothing about the topic, its no surprises! i havent insulted you once, im just pointing out truth. |
aion 01.01.2009 10:53 |
inu-liger wrote:aion wrote: Sorry kid but your posts are getting more and more pathetic. Listen darling, I can see that you're angry because mama didn't let you eat more cookies but there's no use in you waving your tiny fists here, you're just amusing to everyone else in the forum. Get back to me with your little insults when you turn at least 15 (or learn to write - judging from your grammar and punctuation this message board is the first place where you've ever tried to write any words down).ENOUGH ALREADY, FFS. GET BACK TO THE MAIN SUBJECT! You're right, the little brat doesn't need any more attention. |
inu-liger 01.01.2009 10:56 |
aion wrote:inu-liger wrote:You're right, the little brat doesn't need any more attention.aion wrote: Sorry kid but your posts are getting more and more pathetic. Listen darling, I can see that you're angry because mama didn't let you eat more cookies but there's no use in you waving your tiny fists here, you're just amusing to everyone else in the forum. Get back to me with your little insults when you turn at least 15 (or learn to write - judging from your grammar and punctuation this message board is the first place where you've ever tried to write any words down).ENOUGH ALREADY, FFS. GET BACK TO THE MAIN SUBJECT! I'm sorry to say, but having read your fighting posts, you're IMO the one who comes across more as the child here. Anyways, back to the main subject... |
Danne 01.01.2009 12:07 |
cmsdrums wrote:Sebastian wrote: Headlong: Bass is human (final cut, that is), drums are mostly programmed.I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm really surprised that headlong drums are mostly programmed. The feel and sound of the drums are typical Roger, including his trademark hi hat opening on the snare, and the snare and tom fills such before the solo etc... It could be that as the verse parts are pretty straight that he recorded once and then they copied the parts over and pver, but that wouldn't be the same as 'programmed' (ie completely fake) drums I wouldn't say that they're mostly programmed, it's quite obvious that most of it is played, since the pattern isn't that exact, and you can hear all those little Roger trademarks you mention. The bass drum that you most clearly hear in the intro and before Brian's solo (but which is featured more than that "behind" Roger's playing) is programmed, and there's a programmed hihat playing 16th-notes throughout (Roger's real hihat is quarter notes), but I think that's it as far as programming goes. "Headlong" is one of the most organic sounding tracks on the album, IMO. |
Sebastian 01.01.2009 13:00 |
Danne wrote: "Headlong" is one of the most organic sounding tracks on the album, IMO. To be or not to be 'one of the most organic sounding tracks on the album' is not a question of opinion. Innuendo, Don't Try So Hard and The Show Must Go On are completely human, and The Hitman is a hell of a lot more 'organic' than Headlong. So, Headlong is not 'one of the most organic sounding tracks on the album', considering it doesn't even make it to the top 30%. |
aion 02.01.2009 10:06 |
inu-liger wrote:aion wrote:I'm sorry to say, but having read your fighting posts, you're IMO the one who comes across more as the child here. Anyways, back to the main subject...inu-liger wrote:You're right, the little brat doesn't need any more attention.aion wrote: Sorry kid but your posts are getting more and more pathetic. Listen darling, I can see that you're angry because mama didn't let you eat more cookies but there's no use in you waving your tiny fists here, you're just amusing to everyone else in the forum. Get back to me with your little insults when you turn at least 15 (or learn to write - judging from your grammar and punctuation this message board is the first place where you've ever tried to write any words down).ENOUGH ALREADY, FFS. GET BACK TO THE MAIN SUBJECT! That's not a very funny joke. |
Rick 03.01.2009 12:21 |
Sebastian, do you happen to know on which Innuendo track(s) John plays keyboards? |
Sebastian 03.01.2009 12:43 |
None. But he does co-programme keyboards (hence his credit) on 'Days of Our Lives' together with the others and the producer. |
Rick 03.01.2009 16:00 |
Ah thanks. It doesn't suprise me. Although I was hoping he participated a bit more. I assume he did play keyboards on My Secret Fantasy? |
Sebastian 03.01.2009 20:32 |
No idea. IF the song is his, maybe. But the only reason why that piece is credited to him is speculative. It could easily be from the others. |
inu-liger 04.01.2009 03:00 |
aion wrote:inu-liger wrote:That's not a very funny joke.aion wrote:I'm sorry to say, but having read your fighting posts, you're IMO the one who comes across more as the child here. Anyways, back to the main subject...inu-liger wrote:You're right, the little brat doesn't need any more attention.aion wrote: Sorry kid but your posts are getting more and more pathetic. Listen darling, I can see that you're angry because mama didn't let you eat more cookies but there's no use in you waving your tiny fists here, you're just amusing to everyone else in the forum. Get back to me with your little insults when you turn at least 15 (or learn to write - judging from your grammar and punctuation this message board is the first place where you've ever tried to write any words down).ENOUGH ALREADY, FFS. GET BACK TO THE MAIN SUBJECT! I wasn't even joking in the slightest. I'm being serious here. I'm stating *my opinion*. Besides, if I was joking, I'd have inserted a smiley. |
Danne 04.01.2009 09:03 |
Sebastian wrote:Danne wrote: "Headlong" is one of the most organic sounding tracks on the album, IMO.To be or not to be 'one of the most organic sounding tracks on the album' is not a question of opinion. Innuendo, Don't Try So Hard and The Show Must Go On are completely human, and The Hitman is a hell of a lot more 'organic' than Headlong. So, Headlong is not 'one of the most organic sounding tracks on the album', considering it doesn't even make it to the top 30%. Yes, it certainly is a matter of opinion. In my opinion... :) Seriously though, I don't believe 'Headlong' is programmed to the extent that you seem to think it is. I'm quite sure that most of the drums on that track are played. You may disagree about that, but I believe I'm right. :) And since (to my ear) synths, per definition, don't sound 'organic' in the way, say, a guitar does, even if it's played "live" by a human, and since most of the examples you brought up are drenched in synths, to me 'Headlong' does sound more organic. "Organic" also includes elements of vague things like groove, and if the band make it "happen", so to speak, and 'Headlong' (again, to me) sounds like four musicians having fun in the studio, which a track like 'Innuendo' doesn't. That's not to say "organic" necessarily is better than "un-organic". I much prefer 'Innuendo' to 'Headlong', for example. |
Sebastian 04.01.2009 11:59 |
I think I misunderstood. Drum-wise, Headlong isn't one of the most organic-sounding tracks off the album. Overall, Headlong is indeed one of the most organic-sounding tracks off the album. So, at the end of the day, we were both right ;) |
Danne 04.01.2009 17:15 |
Sebastian wrote: I think I misunderstood. Drum-wise, Headlong isn't one of the most organic-sounding tracks off the album. Overall, Headlong is indeed one of the most organic-sounding tracks off the album. So, at the end of the day, we were both right ;) And that's always a nice thing! :) |
aion 06.01.2009 10:13 |
inu-liger wrote:Have you honestly read any of his posts? Did you notice how he immediately started to curse and call names without any reason? Did you notice how he says "OMG" and uses many exclamation marks? Did you notice how he's hardly able to spell even one word correctly and he's apparently never heard of capital letters? Did you notice this, my absolute favourite quote from him:aion wrote:I wasn't even joking in the slightest. I'm being serious here. I'm stating *my opinion*. Besides, if I was joking, I'd have inserted a smiley.inu-liger wrote:That's not a very funny joke.aion wrote: You're right, the little brat doesn't need any more attention.I'm sorry to say, but having read your fighting posts, you're IMO the one who comes across more as the child here. Anyways, back to the main subject... andreas_mercury wrote: what are you going to do, go cry? gonna cry?? NO-ONE older than 12 years can say something like this. It's just not possible. This is something that little bullies say in elementary school. And by the way, did you notice that he never even denied being younger than 12? And yet you are calling *ME* childish? What the hell?! |
vadenuez 06.01.2009 16:45 |
Aion, did you notice that his signature says "Treasure Moment: REAL MUSIC"? If I were you, I'd simply ignore him. It's healthier. |
Sebastian 03.09.2009 10:30 |
Last year I missed the comment about Hertfordshire. It'll be corrected in my website today. |
john bodega 03.09.2009 10:45 |
vadenuez wrote: Aion, did you notice that his signature says "Treasure Moment: REAL MUSIC"? If I were you, I'd simply ignore him. It's healthier.Ugh... it's bad enough that they have two Myspace pages, but that 2nd one is even uglier than the first. |
cacatua 03.09.2009 14:40 |
I went to this discussion and a fist-fight broke out. Seems to be business as usual here, unless the topic is a spoof, like Brian's Curse. I was having a bad day when I came home and found that one, and I was soon laughing myself to tears. I will have to say that the venom of the insults leveled here this time around was impressive though. |
luthorn 04.09.2009 14:41 |
Interesting conversation interrupted by sewage pipers. It's like watching Live in Rio on itV 4 and switching channels to 'what Katie did next' during the commercial break. Art mixed with kitsch. |
bigV 04.09.2009 14:59 |
luthorn wrote: Interesting conversation interrupted by sewage pipers. It's like watching Live in Rio on itV 4 and switching channels to 'what Katie did next' during the commercial break. Art mixed with kitsch.Seconded. The final sessions of the band is one of my favourite discussion topics and all this bollocks just ruined it for me. Bummer! V. |
lalaalalaa 04.09.2009 17:06 |
Was Let Me Live not part of the Made In Heaven sessions? EDIT- nevermind, I looked it up |