QueenZone discussion #1154320

clear wrote: What a f..kin' cheek! A mixture of different countries covers. No attempt at giving the fan a complete collection. How much would it have cost to include every country's cover (where applicable)? Working in the print industry I'll tell you - about another 5p - 10p per box set based on the quantity being printed and the size of a CD cover. The reason for all this shit is that Queen is dead. Freddie has passed away, John has put his head in the sand and Brian and Roger are money-grabbing paranoid old men desperate for former glories (and even more money). Where's the rest of the Greatest Video Hits? Where's the rest of the Audio DVD's (was it ADATR next?)? Some of us bought these things believing we would build them into a complete set. Where's a DVD of a gig that would be appreciated by proper fans (eg Earls Court) and not just another gig "from the stadium years". When this utterly disappointing Box sells as much as a Gary Glitter comeback do you really think we'll see Boxes 2 and 3? Will we f..k. The stock response from Greg, QPL etc is "No-one is forcing you to buy it". No, they're not but long-time Queen fans want to collect everything. And business-head Jim Beach and Queen know this all too well. These people have made a bloody good living out of Queen fans. They are not desperate artists scraping by. So, maybe, they could give a little back. A proper box set of all the stuff we want from the singles all in one place with all the notes. "oh no, it would cost too much for the ordinary fan in these credit crunch times". Piss off. If it's 160 tracks, that could be, at the most, 16 cds. With a comprehensive booklet easily on the shelf for £60. FOR THE FANS. The regular punter would still only want and buy the Greatest Hits. Don't buy this box my friends. Treasure your original Queen stuff and precious memories. Brian and Roger are not the Brian and Roger we knew many years ago.

lalaalalaa wrote: You are an idiot.  You are very selfish complaining that you don't get enough.  Brian and Roger are still performing because they care about their fans!!!! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY! Queen is not dead and never will be dead. You are just a jerk.  Brian and Roger try to do what they can for the fans but you don't appreciate it because you are a selfish, spoiled jerk. 

John S Stuart wrote: Do NOT return this boxset. Be like me - and do NOT buy it in the first place!

John S Stuart wrote: Do NOT return this boxset. Be like me - and do NOT buy it in the first place!

lalaalalaa wrote:

  clear wrote: What a f..kin' cheek! A mixture of different countries covers. No attempt at giving the fan a complete collection. How much would it have cost to include every country's cover (where applicable)? Working in the print industry I'll tell you - about another 5p - 10p per box set based on the quantity being printed and the size of a CD cover. The reason for all this shit is that Queen is dead. Freddie has passed away, John has put his head in the sand and Brian and Roger are money-grabbing paranoid old men desperate for former glories (and even more money). Where's the rest of the Greatest Video Hits? Where's the rest of the Audio DVD's (was it ADATR next?)? Some of us bought these things believing we would build them into a complete set. Where's a DVD of a gig that would be appreciated by proper fans (eg Earls Court) and not just another gig "from the stadium years". When this utterly disappointing Box sells as much as a Gary Glitter comeback do you really think we'll see Boxes 2 and 3? Will we f..k. The stock response from Greg, QPL etc is "No-one is forcing you to buy it". No, they're not but long-time Queen fans want to collect everything. And business-head Jim Beach and Queen know this all too well. These people have made a bloody good living out of Queen fans. They are not desperate artists scraping by. So, maybe, they could give a little back. A proper box set of all the stuff we want from the singles all in one place with all the notes. "oh no, it would cost too much for the ordinary fan in these credit crunch times". Piss off. If it's 160 tracks, that could be, at the most, 16 cds. With a comprehensive booklet easily on the shelf for £60. FOR THE FANS. The regular punter would still only want and buy the Greatest Hits. Don't buy this box my friends. Treasure your original Queen stuff and precious memories. Brian and Roger are not the Brian and Roger we knew many years ago.

You are an idiot.  You are very selfish complaining that you don't get enough.  Brian and Roger are still performing because they care about their fans!!!! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY! Queen is not dead and never will be dead. You are just a jerk.  Brian and Roger try to do what they can for the fans but you don't appreciate it because you are a selfish, spoiled jerk. 

lalaalalaa wrote: I've never seen a more selfish group of people.  Why can't you guys be happy with what you have already?  It's never enough with you people.  Just be happy with what you have and stop complaining that it's still not enough

Lester Burnham wrote:

              lalaalalaa wrote:       I've never seen a more selfish group of people.  Why can't you guys be happy with what you have already?  It's never enough with you people.  Just be happy with what you have and stop complaining that it's still not enough      

Psst! I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Don't tell anyone, okay? This stays between you and me. Ready? . .. ... Queen aren't perfect. This box set isn't perfect. It's a travesty. This will do more harm to Queen's reputation than a million Paul Rodgers ever could. And that's not hyperbole. Here's another little secret. . .. ... We're allowed to criticize, especially against such a shitty product. We don't have to be happy with everything we get, and we certainly have the right to express our displeasure. Not everything is puppy dogs shitting rainbows, y'know. If we just bought it like mindless sheep instead of voicing our opinion, that gives off the impression to Queen Productions that they can continue to release subpar material and anybody will buy it. We don't want to give them that impression, now do we? NOW REMEMBER, that's our little secret!!!

Rotwang wrote: I see both sides.  The heads at Queen productions are sitting on who knows how much stuff we've never heard and may never hear.  To keep rehashing the same songs on compilation CDs that we all have and continue to buy just proves to them that we will keep buying the same songs with different CD booklets.  A proper box set, as we all know, would consist of the hits, b-sides, and unreleased stuff (properly completed or not).  But I don't think all this is in Brian and Roger's hands.  They do have an approval vote though.  It does fall on them to say "Hey, why don't we do this...."  I agree that Brian and Roger love playing music for the music and not to rape the wallets of the fans.  That has been left up to the ticket companies and that just isn't right.  Just as a side note, I have a Queen poster for a show in Indianapolis from 1980 and it states the ticket prices are $8.00 for all seats!!!!!  What the hell happened?  The musicians should stand up to this but as soon as they see the paycheck, they back down.  So where is the line drawn for the musicians to earn respectable money but do it for the fans?

pma wrote: Geez, for a moment I thought Queen had actually released THE boxsets and I had not even noticed it

Penetration_Guru wrote:

  lalaalalaa wrote: You are an idiot.  You are very selfish complaining that you don't get enough.  Brian and Roger are still performing because they care about their fans!!!! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY! Queen is not dead and never will be dead. You are just a jerk.  Brian and Roger try to do what they can for the fans but you don't appreciate it because you are a selfish, spoiled jerk. 

Dear Mr(s) Stepford Please tell me what the purpose of this release is if not to make money.  Do you imagine that it is being sold at a loss? Also, please elaborate on the phrase "Brian & Roger try to do what they can for the fans" - I'm curious to see what examples you feel support this assertion. Thanks in advance 

lalaalalaa wrote:

  Lester Burnham wrote:  

   lalaalalaa wrote:     I've never seen a more selfish group of people.  Why can't you guys be happy with what you have already?  It's never enough with you people.  Just be happy with what you have and stop complaining that it's still not enough    

Queen aren't perfect. This box set isn't perfect. It's a travesty. This will do more harm to Queen's reputation than a million Paul Rodgers ever could. And that's not hyperbole. We're allowed to criticize, especially against such a shitty product. We don't have to be happy with everything we get, and we certainly have the right to express our displeasure. Not everything is puppy dogs shitting rainbows, y'know. If we just bought it like mindless sheep instead of voicing our opinion, that gives off the impression to Queen Productions that they can continue to release subpar material and anybody will buy it. We don't want to give them that impression, now do we? NOW REMEMBER, that's our little secret!!!

Maybe you all consider it a bad product but that is just your opinions.  Not everybody will think that bad of it.  I don't care if you "express your displeasure" but you could do it in a nicer way.  Nobody is making you buy it and no matter what products they release, they won't harm their reputation.

But $8 for an international act?! I pay the equivalent to 5 dollars to see local underground festivals w/ garage bands! I don't think Queen should be only 3 dollars more expensive than garage bands.

Penetration_Guru wrote:

  lalaalalaa wrote:  

      Lester Burnham wrote:      

       lalaalalaa wrote:         I've never seen a more selfish group of people.  Why can't you guys be happy with what you have already?  It's never enough with you people.  Just be happy with what you have and stop complaining that it's still not enough          

Queen aren't perfect. This box set isn't perfect. It's a travesty. This will do more harm to Queen's reputation than a million Paul Rodgers ever could. And that's not hyperbole. We're allowed to criticize, especially against such a shitty product. We don't have to be happy with everything we get, and we certainly have the right to express our displeasure. Not everything is puppy dogs shitting rainbows, y'know. If we just bought it like mindless sheep instead of voicing our opinion, that gives off the impression to Queen Productions that they can continue to release subpar material and anybody will buy it. We don't want to give them that impression, now do we? NOW REMEMBER, that's our little secret!!!

Maybe you all consider it a bad product but that is just your opinions.  Not everybody will think that bad of it.  I don't care if you "express your displeasure" but you could do it in a nicer way.  Nobody is making you buy it and no matter what products they release, they won't harm their reputation.

Ah!!!! We should be nicer in expressing our opinions, but it's ok for you to call us selfish spolied jerks for doing so. Is it ok to call you a hypocrite?  It's certainly accurate...

Penetration_Guru wrote:

  Penetration_Guru wrote:  

      lalaalalaa wrote:   You are an idiot.  You are very selfish complaining that you don't get enough.  Brian and Roger are still performing because they care about their fans!!!! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY! Queen is not dead and never will be dead. You are just a jerk.  Brian and Roger try to do what they can for the fans but you don't appreciate it because you are a selfish, spoiled jerk.   

Dear Mr(s) Stepford Please tell me what the purpose of this release is if not to make money.  Do you imagine that it is being sold at a loss? Also, please elaborate on the phrase "Brian & Roger try to do what they can for the fans" - I'm curious to see what examples you feel support this assertion. Thanks in advance 

Still waiting. 

Rotwang wrote: Just as a side note, I have a Queen poster for a show in Indianapolis from 1980 and it states the ticket prices are $8.00 for all seats!!!!!  What the hell happened?  The musicians should stand up to this but as soon as they see the paycheck, they back down.  So where is the line drawn for the musicians to earn respectable money but do it for the fans?

lalaalalaa wrote:

  Penetration_Guru wrote:  

   Penetration_Guru wrote:    

    lalaalalaa wrote:   You are an idiot.  You are very selfish complaining that you don't get enough.  Brian and Roger are still performing because they care about their fans!!!! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY! Queen is not dead and never will be dead. You are just a jerk.  Brian and Roger try to do what they can for the fans but you don't appreciate it because you are a selfish, spoiled jerk.  

Dear Mr(s) Stepford Please tell me what the purpose of this release is if not to make money.  Do you imagine that it is being sold at a loss? Also, please elaborate on the phrase "Brian & Roger try to do what they can for the fans" - I'm curious to see what examples you feel support this assertion. Thanks in advance 

Still waiting. 

To be honest, I don't remember typing this....... 

Penetration_Guru wrote:

  lalaalalaa wrote:  

      Penetration_Guru wrote:      

       Penetration_Guru wrote:          

        lalaalalaa wrote:       You are an idiot.  You are very selfish complaining that you don't get enough.  Brian and Roger are still performing because they care about their fans!!!! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY! Queen is not dead and never will be dead. You are just a jerk.  Brian and Roger try to do what they can for the fans but you don't appreciate it because you are a selfish, spoiled jerk.    

Dear Mr(s) Stepford Please tell me what the purpose of this release is if not to make money.  Do you imagine that it is being sold at a loss? Also, please elaborate on the phrase "Brian & Roger try to do what they can for the fans" - I'm curious to see what examples you feel support this assertion. Thanks in advance 

Still waiting. 

To be honest, I don't remember typing this....... 

Either you're on heavy medication, or too rude/lazy to scroll back and find out.... My money's on the latter.

lalaalalaa wrote:

  Penetration_Guru wrote:  

   lalaalalaa wrote:

   Penetration_Guru wrote: Still waiting. 

To be honest, I don't remember typing this....... 

Either you're on heavy medication, or too rude/lazy to scroll back and find out.... My money's on the latter.

Maybe somebody just hacked onto my account cause I don't take any medication and I'm never too lazy or rude to scroll back. :P

  Penetration_Guru wrote:  

   lalaalalaa wrote:      

   Penetration_Guru wrote: Either you're on heavy medication, or too rude/lazy to scroll back and find out.... My money's on the latter.  

Maybe somebody just hacked onto my account cause I don't take any medication and I'm never too lazy or rude to scroll back. :P

Well, how easy is your password to guess? is it "muppet"?

Penetration_Guru wrote:

      Penetration_Guru wrote:      

       lalaalalaa wrote:              

       Penetration_Guru wrote: Either you're on heavy medication, or too rude/lazy to scroll back and find out.... My money's on the latter.      

Maybe somebody just hacked onto my account cause I don't take any medication and I'm never too lazy or rude to scroll back. :P

Well, how easy is your password to guess? is it "muppet"?

So, which of "your" posts on this thread, having scrolled back and read them, do you stand by, and which do you reject?

Micrówave wrote: @ clear Do you find it enjoyable buying stuff and returning it?  Because you sure do it a lot. If I owned the shop and you came in, I would politely ask you to shop somewhere else.

Micrówave wrote: You can ask... But I think everyone here would rather you f... off and take your stupid "I took ____ back to the shop" threads with you.  I have an idea.  Why not take yourself back to the shop and get us all a refund. I believe that store would be Babies R Us.  I don't think you'll need a receipt.

  LyricHunger wrote:       clear wrote:   Where's the rest of the Greatest Video Hits? Where's the rest of the Audio DVD's (was it ADATR next?)? Some of us bought these things believing we would build them into a complete set.  

clear wrote:

  Micrówave wrote: @ clear Do you find it enjoyable buying stuff and returning it?  Because you sure do it a lot. If I owned the shop and you came in, I would politely ask you to shop somewhere else.

Because I sure do it a lot?  I bought TCR in order to hear it properly all the way through. I took it back because it is lazy shit and not worth the money.   I've advised anyone daft enough to have bought the Box set to take it back. I haven't taken it back because I didn't buy it myself in the first place - because I know and bought everything contained within it first time around and it's only value is to maybe throw the cd's away and use the box as an emergency toilet.  Try reading what you're attempting to be arsey about. You little tit. Can I politely ask you to f...off?

Panchgani wrote:

  Micrówave wrote: You can ask... But I think everyone here would rather you f... off and take your stupid "I took ____ back to the shop" threads with you.  I have an idea.  Why not take yourself back to the shop and get us all a refund. I believe that store would be Babies R Us.  I don't think you'll need a receipt.

Microwave - Since when do you think for everyone?  Just because you have swollen head as big as Texas, does not mean that everyone thinks like you. 

Micrówave wrote: @ clear Do you find it enjoyable buying stuff and returning it?  Because you sure do it a lot. If I owned the shop and you came in, I would politely ask you to shop somewhere else.

clear wrote:

Micrówave wrote: @ clear Do you find it enjoyable buying stuff and returning it?  Because you sure do it a lot. If I owned the shop and you came in, I would politely ask you to shop somewhere else.

Because I sure do it a lot?  I bought TCR in order to hear it properly all the way through. I took it back because it is lazy shit and not worth the money.   I've advised anyone daft enough to have bought the Box set to take it back. I haven't taken it back because I didn't buy it myself in the first place - because I know and bought everything contained within it first time around and it's only value is to maybe throw the cd's away and use the box as an emergency toilet.  Try reading what you're attempting to be arsey about. You little tit. Can I politely ask you to f...off?

Micrówave wrote:

  Panchgani wrote:  

      Micrówave wrote:   You can ask... But I think everyone here would rather you f... off and take your stupid "I took ____ back to the shop" threads with you.  I have an idea.  Why not take yourself back to the shop and get us all a refund. I believe that store would be Babies R Us.  I don't think you'll need a receipt.  

Microwave - Since when do you think for everyone?  Just because you have swollen head as big as Texas, does not mean that everyone thinks like you. 

Well, they SHOULD think like me.  Especially before going to the record store.  My thinking saves money, time, and the curbs the need to act like an ass. I'm sorry, what were you saying?   Perhaps you should move to Texas and enroll in one of our "hick" schools to teach you about roping, cattle farming, and common sense.

inu-liger wrote: Here in Canada, that's not possible at all. You either exchange it for another product (the same one) due to manufacturer's defects (had that happen with The Freddie Mercury Tribute concert DVD back around 2003 - there was a nasty defect that made one chapter skip and turn into macroblock-pixellated garbage onscreen horribly), or with some stores, you get store credit (ie. not cash) although I can't name any stores here offhand that actually do the latter. And that's also WITH receipts of course, in either case.

Benn wrote: inu-liger, re: >>I seriously still find it hard to believe there are retail stores even in the UK that will refund *opened product*, let alone just because someone thought it was shit. It's all a question of whether the item is "fit for purpose".  Clearly, in terms of providing an enjoyable listening experience at a resonable price with no flaws or errors, this box set does not fit the bill and is a returnable item.  There are plenty of grey areas around this, but, in essence, the consumer is king.  If the item is on the shelf as a sealed item, the purchaser has no way of seeing *whats inside* and therefore, only on opening it will they be able to make an informed choice.  I'm sure you guys must have consumer protection acts in Canada which protect you against buying a CD in a sealed packet, only to get it home and find that inside, you have a drinks coaster........?

Or - and wouldn't this be fun - the person behind the till simply took pity on this poor soul who had spent his hard-earned on such a shitty item.  They were probably laughing as he / she walked out of the door with a satisfied smile after buying it and then ran a sweepstake in the shop on how long it would be before the same customer came back trying to return it..........

Sir GH wrote:

inu-liger wrote: Here in Canada, that's not possible at all. You either exchange it for another product (the same one) due to manufacturer's defects (had that happen with The Freddie Mercury Tribute concert DVD back around 2003 - there was a nasty defect that made one chapter skip and turn into macroblock-pixellated garbage onscreen horribly), or with some stores, you get store credit (ie. not cash) although I can't name any stores here offhand that actually do the latter. And that's also WITH receipts of course, in either case.

Nah, I've done it... So it's got nothing to do with the country.  Each retailer does it their own way.  In most cases you're right, but it can be done.