| boca 24.11.2008 08:33 |
Ok, what do you think, or do you have any info, that Queen members ever used some other songs, from other artists, and made new song? i really wonder, although i think not, or not much... |
| mooghead 24.11.2008 08:45 |
John nicked Another One Bites The Dust. Everyone knows that |
| Marcos Napier 24.11.2008 08:48 |
boca wrote: Ok, what do you think, or do you have any info, that Queen members ever used some other songs, from other artists, and made new song? i really wonder, although i think not, or not much... You mean plagiarize? I don't think so. |
| Dane 24.11.2008 09:30 |
Well.. maybe a bit. A couple of months ago I was in the city with my brother and chance had it there was a live Opera playing outside City Hall. One of the songs started off exactly, and I mean EXACTLY like It's A Hard Life. Freddie must have nicked that when he heard it at an Opera. But I believe that isn't a secret. |
| Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 24.11.2008 10:02 |
Dane wrote: Well.. maybe a bit. A couple of months ago I was in the city with my brother and chance had it there was a live Opera playing outside City Hall. One of the songs started off exactly, and I mean EXACTLY like It's A Hard Life. Freddie must have nicked that when he heard it at an Opera. But I believe that isn't a secret. hehehe, you dont have that much of an opera background do you? |
| Major Tom 24.11.2008 12:32 |
Brian nicked the solo in "The millionare waltz" from Winnie the Pooh, LOL. |
| Marcos Napier 24.11.2008 12:50 |
Sorry I forgot this link |
| AssDudeRule 24.11.2008 17:56 |
mooghead wrote: John nicked Another One Bites The Dust. Everyone knows that Not entirely.... Listen to the song.... Its by "chick" ...I think thats there name... and you will find the songs are totally different... little base line that sounds the same at the start, but ABTD then goes into a different direction. The bass line was inspired by the song "Good Times" by the Disco group Chic. [1] [2] In an interview with New Musical Express, Chic co-founder Bernard Edwards stated, "...that Queen record came about because that Queen bass player... spent some time hanging out with us at our studio". link |
| Voice of Reason 2018 25.11.2008 04:22 |
Our local pub has been playing 'Young hearts run free' a lot lately which always reminds me of 'Rain must fall'! |
| Al TurHao 25.11.2008 06:58 |
I got curious and searched that Young Hearts Run Free and YES, it really sounds sometimes like Rain Must Fall (some arrangements and chord progressions). As for the the opera/it's a hard life, it's no secret. It's an aria called Vesti La Giubba. |
| boca 25.11.2008 09:23 |
Al TurHao wrote:
I got curious and searched that Young Hearts Run Free and YES, it really sounds sometimes like Rain Must Fall (some arrangements and chord progressions).
As for the the opera/it's a hard life, it's no secret. It's an aria called Vesti La Giubba.
Is it the part "I don't want my freedom, there's no reason for living with the broken heart"? |
| boca 25.11.2008 09:29 |
I also remember Brian saying that he's not sure if "Save Me" was also, mabye unconsciously, inspired by one song, i can't remember which one. Can someone confirm that? Many years later Brian also admitted "See What a Fool I Been" was inspired by an old blues song which he saw on television. Song is "That's How I Feel", by Brownie McGhee & Sonny Terry. |
| Holly2003 25.11.2008 09:39 |
boca wrote: I also remember Brian saying that he's not sure if "Save Me" was also, mabye unconsciously, inspired by one song, i can't remember which one. Can someone confirm that? Many years later Brian also admitted "See What a Fool I Been" was inspired by an old blues song which he saw on television. Song is "That's How I Feel", by Brownie McGhee & Sonny Terry. Someone made that song available here once and if I recall correctly it doesn't sound anything like SWAFIB. I always thought it sounded a bit like 'Love in Vain' by Robert Johnson (or maybe one of the songs that were influenced by that, like UFO's 'Mystery Train'.) |
| AssDudeRule 25.11.2008 17:10 |
and my baby does me is taken from somethign esle also... forget which song. |
| shieldmatron 25.11.2008 20:00 |
boca wrote: Al TurHao wrote: I got curious and searched that Young Hearts Run Free and YES, it really sounds sometimes like Rain Must Fall (some arrangements and chord progressions). As for the the opera/it's a hard life, it's no secret. It's an aria called Vesti La Giubba.Is it the part "I don't want my freedom, there's no reason for living with the broken heart"? Yes. It's from the opera Pagliacci. The opening Freddie used starts at the 2:06 minute mark in this video, if you are curious... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky271W94VHA |
| Yara 25.11.2008 22:25 |
boca wrote: Ok, what do you think, or do you have any info, that Queen members ever used some other songs, from other artists, and made new song? i really wonder, although i think not, or not much... Hi, Boca! I think music would be a very hard thing to do, even for the most gifted, if artists couldn't rely on other people's work, past and present, to create pieces of their own. In every piece of music there are signs of a certain, or of many, musical traditions - no one breakes new ground without being acquainted with what has already been achieved in the musical tradition. One has to start from some point. Things don't come up out of thin air or nothing. In the end of the day, however, if the composer is really imaginative, he succeeds in creating new, fresh interesting material from things he has listened to, read, remembers, and so on. I think it's very hard to tell sometimes plagiarism from influence - some songs are so strikingly similar in some respects that one tends to think that the composer did only a "copy and paste" process, but that's not so simple. Freddie's piano harmonic progressions and runs are reminiscent of dozens of classical pieces - you may find yourself listening to the introduction to "Death on Two Legs" or to the live intros to Somebody To Love in the works tour in the middle of a Liszt or Chopin composition - but then such artists as Liszt and Chopin or, as far as singing is concerned, Aretha, availed themselves of the tradition to create new ways of approaching an instrument or even vocals which turned out to be the very framework within which other artists would do their stuff. With time, their influence is so pervasive that one is just infected by it and tends to build things based on such influences unconsciously. Freddie's vocals in "Somebody to Love", especially in the 80's, seemed like a conscious effort to sound like Aretha - however, the song itself, even though it does have traditional gospel elements, is a new, fresh piece of music with a lot of innovation and creativity. The guitar introduction of Oasis' "Cigarretes & Alcohol" can be heard on Power Station's "Get it On", on about two or three Kiss' songs, and I started to try to trace it and it goes back to some basic blues progressions which happened to be developed to sound as a catchy and groovy rock n roll motive. These developments were so obvious, musically speaking, that different people made it on their own, only to find that someone else had already drawned that conclusion before. I think plagiarism, that is, the conscient reproduction of other people's work without acknolwdgement and any further significant input or innovation is very hard to prove. These things are not so clear-cut. Freddie and Brian were heavily influenced by many artists. Such influences do show up in a more striking way in some songs, but in the end of the day their own input is creative enough to produce new, fresh and interesting tunes. I can't help but remembering Robert Plant and Led when I listen to the original version of Sheer Heart Attack. There may be an influence there, but the Queen tune has a mark of its own and I like it more than any Led song. So, even though by listening to Queen I do listen partially, consciously or not, to other artists, I can't think of any song that the guys plagiarized. I know the answer turned out to be too long, but well, it's NO. I can't think of plagiarism in any Queen song - influence, even heavy influence, yes, but not really plagiarism. Cheers and take care! |
| boca 25.11.2008 22:39 |
Yara wrote:boca wrote: Ok, what do you think, or do you have any info, that Queen members ever used some other songs, from other artists, and made new song? i really wonder, although i think not, or not much...Hi, Boca! I think music would be a very hard thing to do, even for the most gifted, if artists couldn't rely on other people's work, past and present, to create pieces of their own. In every piece of music there are signs of a certain, or of many, musical traditions - no one breakes new ground without being acquainted with what has already been achieved in the musical tradition. One has to start from some point. Things don't come up out of thin air or nothing. In the end of the day, however, if the composer is really imaginative, he succeeds in creating new, fresh interesting material from things he has listened to, read, remembers, and so on. I think it's very hard to tell sometimes plagiarism from influence - some songs are so strikingly similar in some respects that one tends to think that the composer did only a "copy and paste" process, but that's not so simple. Freddie's piano harmonic progressions and runs are reminiscent of dozens of classical pieces - you may find yourself listening to the introduction to "Death on Two Legs" or to the live intros to Somebody To Love in the works tour in the middle of a Liszt or Chopin composition - but then such artists as Liszt and Chopin or, as far as singing is concerned, Aretha, availed themselves of the tradition to create new ways of approaching an instrument or even vocals which turned out to be the very framework within which other artists would do their stuff. With time, their influence is so pervasive that one is just infected by it and tends to build things based on such influences unconsciously. Freddie's vocals in "Somebody to Love", especially in the 80's, seemed like a conscious effort to sound like Aretha - however, the song itself, even though it does have traditional gospel elements, is a new, fresh piece of music with a lot of innovation and creativity. The guitar introduction of Oasis' "Cigarretes & Alcohol" can be heard on Power Station's "Get it On", on about two or three Kiss' songs, and I started to try to trace it and it goes back to some basic blues progressions which happened to be developed to sound as a catchy and groovy rock n roll motive. These developments were so obvious, musically speaking, that different people made it on their own, only to find that someone else had already drawned that conclusion before. I think plagiarism, that is, the conscient reproduction of other people's work without acknolwdgement and any further significant input or innovation is very hard to prove. These things are not so clear-cut. Freddie and Brian were heavily influenced by many artists. Such influences do show up in a more striking way in some songs, but in the end of the day their own input is creative enough to produce new, fresh and interesting tunes. I can't help but remembering Robert Plant and Led when I listen to the original version of Sheer Heart Attack. There may be an influence there, but the Queen tune has a mark of its own and I like it more than any Led song. So, even though by listening to Queen I do listen partially, consciously or not, to other artists, I can't think of any song that the guys plagiarized. I know the answer turned out to be too long, but well, it's NO. I can't think of plagiarism in any Queen song - influence, even heavy influence, yes, but not really plagiarism. Cheers and take care! thanks for your kind reply. cheers! |
| chaim 26.11.2008 02:55 |
Breakthru -> Boys of summer (Don Henley). Pretty much the same hook in the chorus. |
| Holly2003 26.11.2008 08:48 |
Funny How Love Is - influenced by Phil Spector 'Wall of Sound' style of production. Ditto Now I'm Here and Chuck Berry. The list is endless. |
| new one 26.11.2008 09:35 |
Under pressure sounds like it was knicked from Vanilla Ice's Ice Ice Baby, in fact its quite embaressing its so obvious!!!! |
| boca 26.11.2008 10:05 |
new one wrote: Under pressure sounds like it was knicked from Vanilla Ice's Ice Ice Baby, in fact its quite embaressing its so obvious!!!! If you're not joking, Ice Ice Baby was made in 1990, so it's obvious who nicked what. |
| boca 26.11.2008 10:12 |
chaim wrote: Breakthru -> Boys of summer (Don Henley). Pretty much the same hook in the chorus. well...that may be true, but also a coincidence..it's not that similar |
| chaim 26.11.2008 11:55 |
boca wrote:chaim wrote: Breakthru -> Boys of summer (Don Henley). Pretty much the same hook in the chorus.well...that may be true, but also a coincidence..it's not that similar ok. |
| Wiley 26.11.2008 13:06 |
Good post by Yara. I appreciate someone taking the time to actually discuss a subject in an orderly manner. Queen's music almost always sounded original to me, partly because they were the first band I became a fan but also because they were a very unique band. I learned to play the guitar and then the piano during college and I got to play many songs only as good as to give the general idea of what I was playing. It is very rare that I can play a Queen song in full, which is not the case for many Beatles and Oasis songs (other bands I like). As time went by I knew more about music theory and listened to other artists. I even took a Musical Appreciation course like 5 years ago: lots of history, lots of music analysis, from the 1200's to the 1900's. Loved it. Now I can surely identify patterns and clichés here and there: the I-I/VII-iv transition (or something like that) with descending bass that is very common, also the chord progression in the ballad section of Bohemian Rhapsody (Mama, just killed a man), etc., but that's just the way music is built. Queen were craftsmen and true artists and they could take these familiar elements and take them two steps ahead. |
| Marcos Napier 26.11.2008 14:53 |
The supposed classical/operatic quotation in IAHL isn't as subtle as what Rick Wakeman did in Journey... |
| ITSM 30.11.2008 21:00 |
Some time ago here on QueenZone, some one wrote that BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY had some bits from THE BEATLES - A DAY IN THE LIFE. It's actually my favorite Beatles song, but I can't see the connection though. I think the person referred to the part "Woke up, fell out of bed, ... a comb across my hair. Went up stairs and had a smoke, and somebody spoke and I went into a dream", and "Mama, just killed a man". Any thoughts? By the way, a lot of Hip Hoppers have sampled a lot of Queen songs, like Save Me, Princes of the Universe etc. But that's old news, I KNOW [img=/images/smiley/msn/whatchutalkingabout_smile.gif][/img] |
| Donna13 30.11.2008 23:01 |
Earlier this year, I was listening to my mother play a Beethoven piece. At the time, I realized that Freddie had probably taken inspiration from it for "Nevermore". It was an "Oh, my gosh!" moment for me. Ha. I am pasting a link to a midi site below; I hope it works. Anyway, if you start listening about mid-way into the piece, or just slide over to about 6:15 or so, I think you will hear what I am referring to. I also think it helps to slow down the speed of the midi, if you can do that. I was using Windows Media Player to listen to it, and that allowed me to slow it down. http://www.lvbeethoven-music.com/Beethoven-Midi/BunjiHisamori/Sonates/Sonate22_Opus54.mid If that link doesn't work, here is the link to the page of all the midis (just go to Opus 54, 22nd Sonata): http://www.lvbeethoven.com/Oeuvres/Music-Midi-Mp3-Sonatas-Piano.html |
| Charlie Brown 02.12.2008 00:35 |
Ladies and germs only so many musical notes exist and only so many words exist in the English language or any other language to write lyrics with, so similarities are probably bound to occur even if composers aren't trying to copy. |
| turini 02.12.2008 11:01 |
Rush- Working man link i have no idea but at around 3:30 everytime i heard that guitar riff it reminds me of queen... |
| paul rodgers 39611 02.12.2008 16:12 |
I stole the entire Cosmos album from William Mahler. |
| Marcos Napier 02.12.2008 17:37 |
Paul Rodgers wrote: I stole the entire Cosmos album from William Mahler. It explains it all then. There are 7 notes and a few semitones. Make your own math to find the possible combinations. |
| new one 07.12.2008 05:48 |
boca wrote:new one wrote: Under pressure sounds like it was knicked from Vanilla Ice's Ice Ice Baby, in fact its quite embaressing its so obvious!!!!If you're not joking, Ice Ice Baby was made in 1990, so it's obvious who nicked what. Oh my God! Of course I was joking. But I am pretty sure We will Rock you was knicked from a song the boy band FIVE did!! |
| boca 07.12.2008 17:42 |
new one wrote:boca wrote:Oh my God! Of course I was joking. But I am pretty sure We will Rock you was knicked from a song the boy band FIVE did!!new one wrote: Under pressure sounds like it was knicked from Vanilla Ice's Ice Ice Baby, in fact its quite embaressing its so obvious!!!!If you're not joking, Ice Ice Baby was made in 1990, so it's obvious who nicked what. haha good one! although i don't like topic answers that are not serious, you're forgiven ;) |