| Penetration_Guru 18.11.2008 14:26 |
Rather oddly, I couldn't find a thread on the first 10 pages, so I'm starting one. Listened to this today, thought the first few songs had decent intro riffs, some of the later ones were trying to be too November Rain-ish, and don't recall any hooks particularly. I will not be buying it. |
| princetom 18.11.2008 15:21 |
is it already out, or did you listen at the common demo-versions ? |
| Penetration_Guru 18.11.2008 15:22 |
er...neither. |
| Raf 19.11.2008 03:07 |
I've read three reviews, and the three of them were negative. I'll still give it a try, though. |
| john bodega 19.11.2008 05:15 |
Raf wrote: I've read three reviews, and the three of them were negative. I'll still give it a try, though. You're brave. That's a bit like saying 'being shot has bad reviews, but I'll give it a try'. Hehe |
| Ms. Rebel 19.11.2008 07:32 |
DUH! Of course I'm buying it. |
| Mr.Jingles 19.11.2008 07:51 |
Music critics are just like politicians. The great majority of them are supposed to have extensive knowledge of their profession, but they have less of a clue as the average individual. This Friday a local radio station will be playing the entire album without interruption. Then I'll make my choice if Axl deserves my 12 bucks. |
| Marcos Napier 19.11.2008 13:33 |
Ok let's be fair now. If critics say TCR is awful, they are wrong and are (insert insult here). If they say that the new GNR is bad, they become "intelligent people" (for the lack of a better adjective)? |
| Raf 19.11.2008 14:32 |
Marcos Napier wrote: Ok let's be fair now. If critics say TCR is awful, they are wrong and are (insert insult here). If they say that the new GNR is bad, they become "intelligent people" (for the lack of a better adjective)? I wouldn't say they "became" intelligent people. I personally never had my hopes up about Chinese Democracy. I can't see how Axl could put a good album together, to be honest. He was the frontman, but he wasn't the most creative force in the band at all. The creative core from the band has been recording and touring as Velvet Revolver. If Freddie's solo career was pretty much embarrassing and completely unlike Queen's typical sound (and he WAS one of the most creative songwriters in the group!), I can't see how Axl could have any further success in making good music. Let's not forget he had 14 years to work on this album, he spent millions of bucks on it, he redid every song from the album several times... He has no excuse: He took his time, he had lots of money and a large array of musicians available, and he named himself and his new band Guns n' Roses, the name of one of the biggest bands in the History of rock, maybe the biggest rock group from the early 90s. Some people will be expecting a masterpiece. I personally would expect something decent, something worth listening. One of the reviews I read said the new album is a failed mix of genres that have nothing to do with GnR (such as industrial, techno...), and the other review said it's something you simply can't stand listening, both because of the poor, uninteresting songs and because of Axl's voice itself - and let's face it, although I haven't heard his voice in any recent recording, I'm pretty sure at this age he must sound much worse than he did back when Use Your Illusion I&II were released. |
| April 19.11.2008 15:45 |
I don't expect anything from the album. Hasn't Axl been in a drinking bout all these years? |
| Crazy LittleThing 19.11.2008 19:44 |
Assuming they go ahead with the release, it looks like will be a free Dr Pepper for everyone in America: link Raf: I hope this includes Brazil! They don't specify WHICH America in the wired blog ;) |
| Marcos Napier 19.11.2008 19:47 |
One of the reviews I read said the new album is a failed mix of genres that have nothing to do with GnR (such as industrial, techno...) I read this a lot of times too and I must say I was expecting something "modern" (in its worst meaning), but they aren't pretending to be NIN or Manson. Occasionally there are some odd sounds here and there (and too many wah sounds), but it's nothing unusual to make one think that they changed genres. I just thought that some intros are extremely long and unnecessary, but overall it really surprised me, I was expecting far worse, dance beats and stuff. I felt like I had heard some of these songs before (I heard the demos once and that was it), which kind of means that they are still sounding the same as usual, I guess. I was afraid of the voice too. But considering that studio can make wonders... but what happened is that the vocals probably were recorded when he was still in a better shape and not a week ago. I doubt he can do that live, though. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 19.11.2008 19:49 |
I already have the demo's. I'm buying this album, yes. |
| Mr.Jingles 24.11.2008 17:42 |
OK, I just listened to it... Here's a message for the Axl bashers who constantly remind us that there's no G'n'R withouth Slash and expected this to be a complete utter failure... IT'S NOT THAT BAD. In fact, the album itself is pretty damn well produced, and while itdoesn't particularly have the rocking edge of Appetite For Destruction, it has the cross-over appeal of Use Your Illusion I & II. ...and another message for the Axl butt-lickers... IT'S NOT WORTH THE WAIT. Yes, it's a good album, but 12 FUCKIN' YEARS IS WAY TOO DAMN LONG TO WAIT FOR ANY ALBUM. |
| AssDudeRule 24.11.2008 19:24 |
On my first listen I thought it was ok.... The songs were good and all, but nothign cought me and I put it down and didnt listne to it that with great reaction. How ever, upon playing it fucking loud in my car, the songs are starting to sink in. Its actually a pretty cool album. Do we really need to know the back ground of an album rather than to just actually listen to it? If you forget the X amount of years it took and the title of the band, and just listen to, make that connection with, its a pretty cool album. Time will tell how it goes. If it ages well, ect ect. |
| 7Innuendo7 24.11.2008 22:19 |
"Better" & "Riad n the Bedouins" boil with Axl's rage, makes me wonder what it's all about. And the point about 12 yrs+ is too long. Well, it sure didn't take White Zombie too long to tear off "More Human Than Human," which is a bit of what the CD album sounds like. It could be said Axl is creative control defined, but a whole lotta that's outta control! "Scraped" and its ay-o chorus layers sound a little like 'Prophet's Song,' and easy to hear why BM did a guide track to "Catcher in the Rye," the guitar following the vocal melody. The ballads are surprising -- and have more studio tricks on the vocals. Worth the listen. |
| Raf 25.11.2008 02:41 |
It can be heard for free on MySpace.com I haven't heard it yet, though. |
| Marcos Napier 25.11.2008 11:14 |
People expecting it to be a new Appettite is the same as expecing a new ANATO from QPR. Won't happen ever. But definitely it's not as bad as it could be. The comparisons with NIN are pure stupidity of critics (sorry for the redundance) that haven't listened to it and write their magic formulas in their reviews, pretty much like some of the TCR reviews. |
| john bodega 25.11.2008 11:18 |
We live in a brave new world of music when "it's not that bad" = praise. |
| ***Marial-B*** 25.11.2008 14:29 |
Metallica's new album is better, period xD |
| Jjeroen 26.11.2008 04:42 |
I played the album yesterday for the first time. And without wanting to sound as the sour popjournalist, It got me screaming in pain... What an incredible piece of shit!!! I already set my expectations low - but even listening with an open mind could not change this load of bollocks into something decent. There is not a single good track on it - it is all pro-tools trickery from beginning till end, overproduced and even with all that trickery and a lot of pitching Axl sounds like a dying pig... If there is anybody in here that thinks that I missed the point, please let me know. I'd love to see the light and like this album for what it is. For now, I found it one of the worst albums I heard in LOOOOONG time... |
| Mr.Jingles 26.11.2008 07:21 |
Jjeroen wrote: I played the album yesterday for the first time. And without wanting to sound as the sour popjournalist, It got me screaming in pain... What an incredible piece of shit!!! I already set my expectations low - but even listening with an open mind could not change this load of bollocks into something decent. There is not a single good track on it - it is all pro-tools trickery from beginning till end, overproduced and even with all that trickery and a lot of pitching Axl sounds like a dying pig... If there is anybody in here that thinks that I missed the point, please let me know. I'd love to see the light and like this album for what it is. For now, I found it one of the worst albums I heard in LOOOOONG time... I listened with low expectations as well. I agree that to some it might be overproduced, but it's not that bad really. By any chance did you like 'Appetite For Destruction' and 'Use Your Illusion'? If you didn't like any of those, then chances are you'd hate this one as well. Now if you want to appreciate this album more, then I'd suggest you pick any album by the Jonas Brothers to experience real pain. |
| Jjeroen 26.11.2008 08:09 |
Yes, I did like Appetite and Illusion... (And GnR Lies as well, for that matter). Though I never was the biggest, outspoken GnR fan either. And it also has nothing to do with me listening to this album expecting to hear 'Guns n Roses'. Nothing on it sounds like GnR - and for me it doesn't need to. I listened to this album as if it were a new band with a new sound... But I found it just horrible... (note that a lot of people now compare this sound to Nine Inch Nails... well, I am a HUGE NIN fan, so that's not the problem either - though I have to admit that Robin Fink never was my favo NIN-guitarist). I got stuck in traffic while listening, and if I had any more cd's at hand, I WOULD have pushed 'stop'. When I got to about number 7 or 8 or something, I realy could not stand hearing it anymore... These tracks just do not go anywhere and Axl's shrieking just felt like pure torture. This would be the perfect cd for Guatanamo ;-) I honestly can not understand that there are people that seem to like this... |
| Treasure Moment 26.11.2008 09:36 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Rather oddly, I couldn't find a thread on the first 10 pages, so I'm starting one. Listened to this today, thought the first few songs had decent intro riffs, some of the later ones were trying to be too November Rain-ish, and don't recall any hooks particularly. I will not be buying it. its total crap, 1 TM composition>>>the whole chinese democracy album |
| john bodega 26.11.2008 11:44 |
Treasure Moment wrote: its total crap, 1 TM composition>>>the whole chinese democracy album This would be so meaningful if you had more than one composition. It's been what, 3 or 4 years since you started this crap dude.... is your band, like, DOING ANYTHING? Maybe you guys better think about throwing in the towel and picking a new career. You don't want to be playing "Forgotten One" to ten people when you're 35. |
| Treasure Moment 26.11.2008 13:51 |
Zebonka12 wrote:Treasure Moment wrote: its total crap, 1 TM composition>>>the whole chinese democracy albumThis would be so meaningful if you had more than one composition. It's been what, 3 or 4 years since you started this crap dude.... is your band, like, DOING ANYTHING? Maybe you guys better think about throwing in the towel and picking a new career. You don't want to be playing "Forgotten One" to ten people when you're 35. haha, well we just need a singer, i was talking about the music and nothing on his new album can compare to a TM composition, just a fact. |
| ..jony.. 32874 26.11.2008 14:57 |
Raf wrote:Marcos Napier wrote: Ok let's be fair now. If critics say TCR is awful, they are wrong and are (insert insult here). If they say that the new GNR is bad, they become "intelligent people" (for the lack of a better adjective)?I wouldn't say they "became" intelligent people. I personally never had my hopes up about Chinese Democracy. I can't see how Axl could put a good album together, to be honest. He was the frontman, but he wasn't the most creative force in the band at all. The creative core from the band has been recording and touring as Velvet Revolver. If Freddie's solo career was pretty much embarrassing and completely unlike Queen's typical sound (and he WAS one of the most creative songwriters in the group!), I can't see how Axl could have any further success in making good music. Let's not forget he had 14 years to work on this album, he spent millions of bucks on it, he redid every song from the album several times... He has no excuse: He took his time, he had lots of money and a large array of musicians available, and he named himself and his new band Guns n' Roses, the name of one of the biggest bands in the History of rock, maybe the biggest rock group from the early 90s. Some people will be expecting a masterpiece. I personally would expect something decent, something worth listening. One of the reviews I read said the new album is a failed mix of genres that have nothing to do with GnR (such as industrial, techno...), and the other review said it's something you simply can't stand listening, both because of the poor, uninteresting songs and because of Axl's voice itself - and let's face it, although I haven't heard his voice in any recent recording, I'm pretty sure at this age he must sound much worse than he did back when Use Your Illusion I&II were released. i've never in my entire life read such kack |
| Marcos Napier 26.11.2008 16:12 |
Axl sounds like a dying pig... what's the difference then? |
| Jjeroen 27.11.2008 04:16 |
He used to sound like a nervous weasel in it's puberty... |
| john bodega 27.11.2008 06:02 |
Treasure Moment wrote: haha, well we just need a singer I'm volunteering. |
| Lady Nyx 27.11.2008 10:19 |
i just heard one of the new singles on the radio yesterday....ive never been a huge GnR fan, but it was lukewarm. the song had some good parts, some not that great (vocalwise) but the music had some good heaviness to it. hard to say, like i said, ive never been a huge fan and i know its not the same without the original boys...its certainly different, almost an updated version of GnR. i dunno. im not uber impressed but i dont hate it. |
| Ms. Rebel 27.11.2008 10:51 |
GUNS N' ROSES. \m/ |
| Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 27.11.2008 11:20 |
I was going to buy the album, but then I desided to give it a listen in their Myspace, lets just say I am glad I didnt buy the album |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 27.11.2008 12:20 |
anyone got their free Dr Pepper yet? |
| 7Innuendo7 27.11.2008 18:28 |
if it's bad, then why does Brian May lament that he's not on the released version? maybe it's actually good, and what if it outsells TCR? |
| StoneColdClassicQueen 27.11.2008 18:36 |
1 TM composition=the whole chinese democracy album anyways, sorry TM i couldn't resist.... i hate Axl's voice. i cringe when i hear it. it probably may outsell TCR because i hear they're trying to get more publicity for it.. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 28.11.2008 06:13 |
I bought it the first day it came out here... It's good... I can listen to it. Though I much prefer the past albums. [img=/images/smiley/msn/devil_smile.gif][/img] |
| Queenluv4Life 28.11.2008 12:24 |
I've heard demos and it's not that bad, it's descent. I just think that people say it's bad because they were expecting something near Appetite for Destruction and it's not anywhere near Appetite for Destruction but i don't think it's horrible either. I'll definitely buy it! : ) |
| Marcelo_argentina 28.11.2008 13:45 |
you have missed the point tottaly here..you don't care about the music, you just hate Axl Rose and that's it...I found Chinesse Democracy as an excelent album, a couple of great songs are "Street of Dreams", "Sorry", "I.R.S" "Better" and may be the most passionate love song in decades "This I love"... it's ok if you don't like Axl or if you hate the guy, but just try at least to be responsable when saying the album is crap...and I am not a real GNR fan at all, I am just fond of music...that's the point. The album worths every penny!!!! |
| Leaky Luke 30.11.2008 13:21 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Zebonka12 wrote:haha, well we just need a singer, i was talking about the music and nothing on his new album can compare to a TM composition, just a fact.Treasure Moment wrote: its total crap, 1 TM composition>>>the whole chinese democracy albumThis would be so meaningful if you had more than one composition. It's been what, 3 or 4 years since you started this crap dude.... is your band, like, DOING ANYTHING? Maybe you guys better think about throwing in the towel and picking a new career. You don't want to be playing "Forgotten One" to ten people when you're 35. Perhaps when you can build up a solid band it might become something... I've been here for 5+ years now and in the last few years I've seen you creating approx 5 demos and all the rest is about finding new members and bitch on everyone that has an opinion and you can't seem to live with that as it is different than yours. If you keep going like this you will end up being a one-man's band playing in the gutter of your local village. |
| Marcos Napier 30.11.2008 13:58 |
If you keep going like this you will end up being a one-man's band playing in the gutter of your local village. That's GNR in 2010. |
| Treasure Moment 01.12.2008 05:10 |
Leaky Luke wrote:Treasure Moment wrote:Perhaps when you can build up a solid band it might become something... I've been here for 5+ years now and in the last few years I've seen you creating approx 5 demos and all the rest is about finding new members and bitch on everyone that has an opinion and you can't seem to live with that as it is different than yours. If you keep going like this you will end up being a one-man's band playing in the gutter of your local village.Zebonka12 wrote:haha, well we just need a singer, i was talking about the music and nothing on his new album can compare to a TM composition, just a fact.Treasure Moment wrote: its total crap, 1 TM composition>>>the whole chinese democracy albumThis would be so meaningful if you had more than one composition. It's been what, 3 or 4 years since you started this crap dude.... is your band, like, DOING ANYTHING? Maybe you guys better think about throwing in the towel and picking a new career. You don't want to be playing "Forgotten One" to ten people when you're 35. its hard to find the right singer because its a difficult music to sing, pretty much like Queen it needs a very good singer. I was just comparing the composition with the guns and roses album and its obvious the new gnr is crap. |
| john bodega 01.12.2008 07:15 |
I'll sing for Treasure Moment, I'll play drums too. Where do I sign up? |
| Treasure Moment 01.12.2008 07:52 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I'll sing for Treasure Moment, I'll play drums too. Where do I sign up? haha the comedian |
| Major Tom 01.12.2008 17:45 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I'll sing for Treasure Moment, I'll play drums too. Where do I sign up?You forgot the FACT that the drums in Treasure Moment is played basicly by tapping three buttons then loop it. Oh and regarding the vocals well...there aren't any, simply because the songs are discarded almost instantly. And when they for once DO write some lyrics it's more or less: Freddie Mercury, Freddie Mercury, Freddie Mercury, Freddie Mercury...FACT! An earthworm cut in two by a spade has more IQ than TM. |
| john bodega 01.12.2008 18:47 |
Treasure Moment wrote: haha the comedian Nah I'm not kidding. If you'll collaborate with that bald prat who sounds like he's clearing his throat, then I'm a shoe-in. Gimme a call! |
| Treasure Moment 02.12.2008 06:05 |
Dr. Pepper(The Spiceman) wrote:Zebonka12 wrote: I'll sing for Treasure Moment, I'll play drums too. Where do I sign up?You forgot the FACT that the drums in Treasure Moment is played basicly by tapping three buttons then loop it. Oh and regarding the vocals well...there aren't any, simply because the songs are discarded almost instantly. And when they for once DO write some lyrics it's more or less: Freddie Mercury, Freddie Mercury, Freddie Mercury, Freddie Mercury...FACT! An earthworm cut in two by a spade has more IQ than TM. im faaaaaaaaar smarter than you, you have no idea, you are a sheep who isnt bright. |
| Major Tom 02.12.2008 08:38 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Dr. Pepper(The Spiceman) wrote:im faaaaaaaaar smarter than you, you have no idea, you are a sheep who isnt bright.Zebonka12 wrote: I'll sing for Treasure Moment, I'll play drums too. Where do I sign up?You forgot the FACT that the drums in Treasure Moment is played basicly by tapping three buttons then loop it. Oh and regarding the vocals well...there aren't any, simply because the songs are discarded almost instantly. And when they for once DO write some lyrics it's more or less: Freddie Mercury, Freddie Mercury, Freddie Mercury, Freddie Mercury...FACT! An earthworm cut in two by a spade has more IQ than TM. Well, at least I get my english right every now and then... |
| Mr.Jingles 02.12.2008 10:08 |
Basically Treasure Moment is an attempt to carbon copy what Queen has done. I thought musicianship and artistry was about originality and being able to borrow influences without becoming a rip-off. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 02.12.2008 10:52 |
Marcos Napier wrote:If you keep going like this you will end up being a one-man's band playing in the gutter of your local village.That's GNR in 2010. LOL |
| Treasure Moment 02.12.2008 19:20 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Basically Treasure Moment is an attempt to carbon copy what Queen has done. I thought musicianship and artistry was about originality and being able to borrow influences without becoming a rip-off. what are you talking about? we havent ripped off anything from Queen, you tell me what melody or riff we have taken from Queen. |
| Micrówave 03.12.2008 11:20 |
Ok, just tell me where there's melody or a "riff" in Treasure Moment... |
| john bodega 03.12.2008 12:59 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Basically Treasure Moment is an attempt to carbon copy what Queen has done. If that were the case, they'd sound something like Queen. I think if anything they're a Joy Division/Europe rip-off. Hah |
| Treasure Moment 03.12.2008 17:19 |
Zebonka12 wrote:Mr.Jingles wrote: Basically Treasure Moment is an attempt to carbon copy what Queen has done.If that were the case, they'd sound something like Queen. I think if anything they're a Joy Division/Europe rip-off. Hah i dont know what joy division is and its time you drop the "europe ripoff" thing, its getting silly. |
| Raf 03.12.2008 20:06 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Zebonka12 wrote:i dont know what joy division is and its time you drop the "europe ripoff" thing, its getting silly.Mr.Jingles wrote: Basically Treasure Moment is an attempt to carbon copy what Queen has done.If that were the case, they'd sound something like Queen. I think if anything they're a Joy Division/Europe rip-off. Hah Exactly, it's getting silly. So stop ripping them off! |
| Treasure Moment 04.12.2008 12:47 |
Raf wrote:Treasure Moment wrote:Exactly, it's getting silly. So stop ripping them off!Zebonka12 wrote:i dont know what joy division is and its time you drop the "europe ripoff" thing, its getting silly.Mr.Jingles wrote: Basically Treasure Moment is an attempt to carbon copy what Queen has done.If that were the case, they'd sound something like Queen. I think if anything they're a Joy Division/Europe rip-off. Hah stop talking out of your ass! go to my site and tell me what we have ripped off you stupid being. |
| inu-liger 05.12.2008 01:33 |
Micrówave wrote: Ok, just tell me where there's melody or a "riff" in Treasure Moment... I think that'd be less of a challenge for him to explain riffs than (realistically) explaining music theory. All he has to say is: "I don't have to explain riffs, you are all sheep. DUM DUM-DUM-DUM FACT" Btw how's your sex life going with your brother, TM? |