QueenZone discussion #1149274

      Thunderbolt wrote:   I still believe that, if not for Freddie's illness, the band would have gone their separate ways after the Magic Tour. Not a true "split," per se, but they'd have all gone off to work on solo projects and having lives and families and stuff, and ten years later after a decade of speculation, one of them would casually mention in an interview that "We never really split, but I don't think anyone should be waiting anxiously for the next Queen album either."  

The Miracle sessions were planned and well underway before Freddie even started to show obvious signs that he was ill. The Miracle was recorded mainly in 1988 and you'd have no real reason to suspect  Freddie was sick and only really started showing signs of illness late '88 and around the time when the promotional videos for the songs were shot which I THINK was sometime in early 1989. After that his physical decline became very noticable

  atg2001 wrote:       I think The Works album was part of a wider internal struggle within the band over what direction they should take. Brian and Roger feeling vindicated by their oppostion to the concept behind Hot Space and annoyed that Freddie and John had talked them around to convinced them it was a good idea fought back to move the band back into safe and familiar territory.       I think Freddie's power-base suffered greatly as Brian and Roger blamed him for being the one so enthusiastically pushing for the funk sound of their previous album which did so badly and in some ways really killed dead the momentum they had until that point been building. It's worth noting that there are only two Mercury penned tracks on The Works and neither of them released as singles. (A Hard Life and Is This The World We Created? were both joint collaborations with May).       They'e always said that they didn't sit down and try to make hits rather albums. The Works I think they clearly DID try to make hits to atone for Hot Space. If Freddie was to go his own way it might have been then.   But he stuck with it.      

  Play The Game wrote:  

              atg2001 wrote:                               I think The Works album was part of a wider internal struggle within the band over what direction they should take. Brian and Roger feeling vindicated by their oppostion to the concept behind Hot Space and annoyed that Freddie and John had talked them around to convinced them it was a good idea fought back to move the band back into safe and familiar territory.                               I think Freddie's power-base suffered greatly as Brian and Roger blamed him for being the one so enthusiastically pushing for the funk sound of their previous album which did so badly and in some ways really killed dead the momentum they had until that point been building. It's worth noting that there are only two Mercury penned tracks on The Works and neither of them released as singles. (A Hard Life and Is This The World We Created? were both joint collaborations with May).                               They'e always said that they didn't sit down and try to make hits rather albums. The Works I think they clearly DID try to make hits to atone for Hot Space. If Freddie was to go his own way it might have been then.   But he stuck with it.                              

"It's A Hard Life", if you buy the album, you'll notice it's credited to only Freddie Mercury. =) Freddie did all the music and lyrics on the song, even if Brian May suggested the "Oh" in "Oh, yeah, I fell in love", I don't consider it a real contribution to consider. In other words, for you... get off Limewire, and buy the album!

  atg2001 wrote:  

              Play The Game wrote:              

                                                              atg2001 wrote:                                                                                                                               I think The Works album was part of a wider internal struggle within the band over what direction they should take. Brian and Roger feeling vindicated by their oppostion to the concept behind Hot Space and annoyed that Freddie and John had talked them around to convinced them it was a good idea fought back to move the band back into safe and familiar territory.                                                                                                                               I think Freddie's power-base suffered greatly as Brian and Roger blamed him for being the one so enthusiastically pushing for the funk sound of their previous album which did so badly and in some ways really killed dead the momentum they had until that point been building. It's worth noting that there are only two Mercury penned tracks on The Works and neither of them released as singles. (A Hard Life and Is This The World We Created? were both joint collaborations with May).                                                                                                                               They'e always said that they didn't sit down and try to make hits rather albums. The Works I think they clearly DID try to make hits to atone for Hot Space. If Freddie was to go his own way it might have been then.   But he stuck with it.                                                                                                                              

"It's A Hard Life", if you buy the album, you'll notice it's credited to only Freddie Mercury. =) Freddie did all the music and lyrics on the song, even if Brian May suggested the "Oh" in "Oh, yeah, I fell in love", I don't consider it a real contribution to consider. In other words, for you... get off Limewire, and buy the album!

Anyone who knows anything about the song knows that it was Freddie's song but him and May worked on the lyrics together, May even talks about this on the GH2 DVD commentary that he spent a lot of time with Freddie on that song working on the lyrics helping him put down his feelings and where the song wanted to go which is why he felt so dismayed at the video of it. It was essentially a collaboration lyrically but because the basic idea came from Freddie he got the credit as the songs creator. So don't start with that disparaging "get off limewire", why don't you get off something and look beyond just who the song is credited to and find out about the background and story of each song. From May's own mouth... ". I particularly worked very closely with Freddie on the words of "It's a Hard Life" ... we had a fantastic dialogue, looking at every word, trying to distill our common experiences, though in different areas ..... " I guess you think because the album credits "Queen" on their last two studio albums that they all wrote all the songs jointly an anyone who thinks differently are just muppets who download from limewire. 

He also is mad at Freddie for having other musicians on the "Mr. Bad Guy" album instead of Queen members.

atg2001 wrote: I'm not even going to quote what you've said as you're clearly infatuated with the enter button it's nearly impossible to. Secondly you're such an arrogant SOB. Brian said he worked closely with Freddie on the lyrics of the song....but we cannot believe him can we as he also says he liked Paul Rogers...so that must be false. Then you go onto this bollocks about "oh how I love people who say their favourite Queen album is the greatest hits" because you have no idea what you were talking about and got embarrassed for being the "real fan" who had no clue about the background of a song. You clearly have no clue mate and if you best you have is to insinuate that you're "more" of a fan because you've got an attitude problem or use the quote button like a retard leaving dirty great white spaces between everything then I suggest you go away think about what you've done and then come back and try again with a better effort. Of course know the real background to songs and who contributed what and who worked closely with who and who's concepts and ideas went into them is something only "i love greatest hits" fans would know isn't it? People like you, indepth knowledgeable people like you the REAL fan don't need to know any of that do you? No because people who know that just know the greatest hits. They're not smart enough to read an album sleeve like you are.    

      Play The Game wrote:      

              atg2001 wrote:       I'm not even going to quote what you've said as you're clearly infatuated with the enter button it's nearly impossible to. Secondly you're such an arrogant SOB. Brian said he worked closely with Freddie on the lyrics of the song....but we cannot believe him can we as he also says he liked Paul Rogers...so that must be false. Then you go onto this bollocks about "oh how I love people who say their favourite Queen album is the greatest hits" because you have no idea what you were talking about and got embarrassed for being the "real fan" who had no clue about the background of a song. You clearly have no clue mate and if you best you have is to insinuate that you're "more" of a fan because you've got an attitude problem or use the quote button like a retard leaving dirty great white spaces between everything then I suggest you go away think about what you've done and then come back and try again with a better effort. Of course know the real background to songs and who contributed what and who worked closely with who and who's concepts and ideas went into them is something only "i love greatest hits" fans would know isn't it? People like you, indepth knowledgeable people like you the REAL fan don't need to know any of that do you? No because people who know that just know the greatest hits. They're not smart enough to read an album sleeve like you are.          

Anyone can read Brian May's Soapbox. =) I don't give a fuck of what Brian contributed to It's A Hard Life... if Brian contributed significantly, I'm sure the credit would of been given. I'm sure he did his bits in it, but I doubt it was 50/50, and you know that. I want a photo of you holding The Works album.

So if Freddie was still alive and had a lovely soapbox and said that he worked with John on the lyrics on Another One Bites The Dust could we say that we doubted Freddie contribted significantly because the song was credited to just one person?

atg2001 wrote:

              Play The Game wrote:              

                              atg2001 wrote:               I'm not even going to quote what you've said as you're clearly infatuated with the enter button it's nearly impossible to. Secondly you're such an arrogant SOB. Brian said he worked closely with Freddie on the lyrics of the song....but we cannot believe him can we as he also says he liked Paul Rogers...so that must be false. Then you go onto this bollocks about "oh how I love people who say their favourite Queen album is the greatest hits" because you have no idea what you were talking about and got embarrassed for being the "real fan" who had no clue about the background of a song. You clearly have no clue mate and if you best you have is to insinuate that you're "more" of a fan because you've got an attitude problem or use the quote button like a retard leaving dirty great white spaces between everything then I suggest you go away think about what you've done and then come back and try again with a better effort. Of course know the real background to songs and who contributed what and who worked closely with who and who's concepts and ideas went into them is something only "i love greatest hits" fans would know isn't it? People like you, indepth knowledgeable people like you the REAL fan don't need to know any of that do you? No because people who know that just know the greatest hits. They're not smart enough to read an album sleeve like you are.                  

Anyone can read Brian May's Soapbox. =) I don't give a fuck of what Brian contributed to It's A Hard Life... if Brian contributed significantly, I'm sure the credit would of been given. I'm sure he did his bits in it, but I doubt it was 50/50, and you know that. I want a photo of you holding The Works album.

So presumably you don't think Freddie Mercury contributed significantly to the track A Kind of Magic despite the fact that we can hear the distinct difference between the sountrack single and the album single and know that Freddie was credited mainly with being in charge of that change and altering and reconstructing large sections to make it suitable for commercial release. Presumably because Roger Taylor is credited as the sole composer/creator of the song, that never happened? Just how naive are you about how songs are composed? Do you think they all sat in four corners of the room scribbling quietly in secrecy? Yes most songs were entirely solo compositions but other songs to a varying degree were collaborations between two or more of them but until The Miracle album the originator of the song always got the writing credit. Another One Bites The Dust for example was John's song but he worked with Freddie and the song changed around a lot because of that, we originally we know it was about cowboys but the band (in this case Freddie) worked with him to reconstruct the lyrics of the song. So if Freddie was still alive and had a lovely soapbox and said that he worked with John on the lyrics on Another One Bites The Dust could we say that we doubted Freddie contribted significantly because the song was credited to just one person? It's a nonsense, we know that Brian and Freddie worked together on that song. The original idea was Freddie's the basic song, him and Brian worked together on improving on the song. How many Queen songs released between 1973-1989  were credited to MORE than one of them? A very small number. So do you say that on all the other songs not one other artist or member of the band contributed significantly towards the birth or structure or composition or arrangement of the song other than the original writer?   After all this MUST be the case as the song writing credit was more often than not given to just one band member...right?     Finally, I'd want to see a photograph of you holding a certificate which proves your sanity

The fact that the session player would have been painful to Brian because he didn't get the chance on some reasonably strong material, but, ultimately, Freddie's solo material NEEDED to be outside of the band simply for Fred to have complete comtrol over what ended up on the album.