| ph133 29.10.2008 05:02 |
The song in "The Works". Why doesn't it end smoothly? |
| Saif 29.10.2008 07:16 |
Beats me. |
| Markman38 29.10.2008 07:23 |
Mybe they didn't want to spent too much time on a filler |
| masterstroke_84 29.10.2008 07:49 |
You are very nice calling it "filler", I would said "crap". I can't understand how a band like Queen could have songs like that in an album... specially if is placed after IT¨S A HARD LIFE... Jesus.. |
| Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 29.10.2008 09:29 |
masterstroke_84 wrote: You are very nice calling it "filler", I would said "crap". I can't understand how a band like Queen could have songs like that in an album... specially if is placed after IT¨S A HARD LIFE... Jesus..hey I say, if you dont like it, GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE! |
| masterstroke_84 29.10.2008 09:40 |
being a Queen fan is to love everything they do because is Queen? even if is crap?... the works is a great album except Break free and Prowl... the rest is classic and great. you dont have an idea of how much I love Queen (15 years of love now), but I do have a common sense that says to me that even them, the greatest band on the planet, made crap songs, crap albums and crap shows. wake up, nothing is perfect. |
| Lester Burnham 29.10.2008 09:53 |
Because there's a god. If you want something longer, check out the 6 1/2 minute extended version. Pretty soon you'll be WISHING the song was shorter... |
| Vali 29.10.2008 09:56 |
Lester Burnham wrote: Because there's a god. If you want something longer, check out the 6 1/2 minute extended version. Pretty soon you'll be WISHING the song was shorter... yeah ... that extended version is unbearable ! |
| louvox 29.10.2008 10:21 |
Markman38 wrote: Mybe they didn't want to spent too much time on a filler Other than "Hammer to fall" the entire "Works" album is an embarrassment. “Man on the prowl” is a remake of “Crazy little thing called love” and should have been left off to begin with. |
| Marcos Napier 29.10.2008 10:23 |
Because after 2 minutes they noticed that they were recycling material (again?) and gave up. |
| masterstroke_84 29.10.2008 10:26 |
Only Hammer to fall?, man... its a hard life!!, keep passing!!, radio ga-ga (we are sick of it but its a great epic song) and even Machines are excellent!!, and "Is this the world...?" closes the album beatifully. |
| Wiley 29.10.2008 12:26 |
A very short album. They should have included I Go Crazy and There Must be more to life than this, maybe something else left in the vaults or something that Roger was working on for Strange Frontier and it could be a classic album. Radio GaGa, I want to break free, Hammer to fall and It's a Hard Life were great singles. Machines is one of Queen's better album tracks from the 80's. I used to get bored with this album. I didn't like it at all. Suddenly it hit me and I started to like the overall sound of the album and I really got into the Machine vs Human "concept" or "theme" in the album's production. Now I enjoy it a lot, even if I don't listen to it a lot. Listen to it after months of being into 70's Queen and listening to long epics, layered guitars and all that and it WILL sound refreshing to your ears. Still, too damn short. Edit: I rambled talking about the album but forgot to address the actual topic. I don't particularly like Man on the Prowl, it IS filler but it is still enjoyable and it is sandwiched between two of the best tracks of the album (at least on the CD). |
| louvox 29.10.2008 12:27 |
Marcos Napier wrote: Because after 2 minutes they noticed that they were recycling material (again?) and gave up. There is nothing worse than when an artist rips themselves off. It shows boredom and a total lack of imagination and inspiration. The Works is their second worse offering ever. The entire thing sounds sterile, flat and cold. They are four individuals simply going through the motions and recycling old ideas. [listo] [li]Radio Ga, Ga is a complete joke and one of their most overrated songs. [li]Tear it up is a remake of We will rock you [li]It’s a hard life is a remake of Play the game [li]Man on the prowl is a remake of Crazy little thing called love [li]Machines is nauseous, repetitive & a complete bore! [li]I want to break free crawls along at a snails pace. The synth solo sounds like someone taking a shit. [li]Keep passing the open windows is a remake of Don’t stop me now. [li]Hammer to fall is the only good song on this scrap heap. [li]Is this the world we created? is a remake of the live version of Love of my life [/listo] . |
| pittrek 29.10.2008 13:16 |
ph133 wrote: The song in "The Works". Why doesn't it end smoothly? The only person who could answer you is dead for 17 years |
| eYe 29.10.2008 13:49 |
Remake ... remake ... remake ... Guess why they called the album "The Works". |
| gooddrills 29.10.2008 13:51 |
I like the album, personal taste and all that. I even like Man On The Prowl, not their best work but an enjoyable song. I'm not a big fan of comparing, take every song on individual merit. The album is what it is and it's fun. The only song I really don't think is that cracky is ITTWWC. It's just ok. I think I want to Break Free is great Queen pop and a great vocal from Freddie. Machines, great song, love listening to it. |
| Micrówave 29.10.2008 13:56 |
Man on the prowl is a remake of Crazy little thing called love Oh my god, you're right!!!! It's like the cabaret version of Crazy. All that's missing is a cheap cigar and a satin jacket. Thanks Lou, you've ruined BOTH songs for me now... or enhanced them!!! Awesome. |
| Marcelo_argentina 29.10.2008 13:59 |
I see a lot of shit on this thread...Let me remind you that thanks to this "Crap" album Queen came back with all the power and refreshing ideas and succed after "Hot Space"...you really think this albums is crap? or are you saying that people is stupid? I see a lot of hits, concerts and selling after Hot Space...Remember Live Aid 85?? just to say something... So, let's stopt talking shit about The Works...thanks to this album Queen was still alive during 80's.... |
| ggo1 29.10.2008 14:06 |
Personally I have always thought that Man On the Prowl is the worst thing (outside of a couple of Flash gordon instrumentals) ever committed to vinyl by the band. It's obvious they were trying to build on Crazy Little Thing, but it's just a dreadful tuneless mess of a song. I disagree with the poster who says the works is a crap album though. Yes, some of the songs are derivative of others but they were trying for something that sounded like a Queen album after Hot space didnt and it worked. I like the album - It's not the greatest ever, but it's not poor. I prefer it to The Miracle and I think its less variable than a Kind Of Magic. But Man On the Prowl was so bad that I used to skip it even when I was litening to vinyl. Trust me, for a track to make me get up off the couch and go to the trouble of lifting the needle to the next track... must have been bad. I just checked my itunes... number of times Man On the Prowl has been played... zero! So I have never actually got to the end of it. Even when in shuffle mode, if it comes on... I skip past it. The only other Queen track I skip EVERY time is Delilah. (Still Burnin is the first of the new album to be subjected to the skip button - but not every time) |
| fernandosales 29.10.2008 14:09 |
Wiley wrote:
A very short album.
They should have included I Go Crazy and There Must be more to life than this, maybe something else left in the vaults or something that Roger was working on for Strange Frontier and it could be a classic album.
Back in the '84, "The Works" was made for vinyl format. The space in this format is limited. |
| masterstroke_84 29.10.2008 14:28 |
Sorry for taking the subject 5 years ahead of "Works" but I can't understand when people describe "The Miracle" as a bad album... look at the songs: Miracle: Top 5 Freddie songs, Period. Want it all (hard rock anthem, thank god Q+PR exists to take this to live) Invisible man (ok we can argue here but for me is a pop gem) breakthru (we all know how this song make us feel) Scandal Was it all worth it (excellent song) So, 6 very good/excellent songs make The Miracle an average or poor album?? Thank you for let me say this! |
| Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 29.10.2008 16:16 |
masterstroke_84 wrote: being a Queen fan is to love everything they do because is Queen? even if is crap?... the works is a great album except Break free and Prowl... the rest is classic and great. you dont have an idea of how much I love Queen (15 years of love now), but I do have a common sense that says to me that even them, the greatest band on the planet, made crap songs, crap albums and crap shows. wake up, nothing is perfect.hey, i've been a queen fan since 95 as well, and there are songs I dont like, but your freaking comment is insulting to the band that I love, and to this site which is created for that band, so show some freaking respect and just say you dont like it. BTW I love MOTP and I love how it ends |
| Marcos Napier 29.10.2008 16:46 |
And "Get the fuck outta here" is insulting to?... |
| Mr Mercury 29.10.2008 17:00 |
Lester Burnham wrote: Because there's a god. If you want something longer, check out the 6 1/2 minute extended version. Pretty soon you'll be WISHING the song was shorter... Thats just the best quote I have read in a long while [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] [img=/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_up.gif][/img] Made me laugh at least....... |
| Wiley 29.10.2008 17:39 |
fernandosales said:
Back in the '84, "The Works" was made for vinyl format. The space in this format is limited.
Queen Greatest Hits was compiled almost 3 years before and it had a longer running time than The Works, for almost 20 minutes I think. That is not a valid excuse. Maybe they were lazy and they only wanted an album to hit the road again? |
| Winter Land Man 29.10.2008 18:41 |
I enjoy MOTP. Love the ext. version even more!!! Better than CLTCL. The Works's problem is the album is just too short. |
| Smartie 29.10.2008 19:03 |
I always liked MOTP, used to play it on the piano a lot and sing to it. Always wandered about its ending, the piano at the end of this song is awesome. Who played it? Mike Moran? When I first heard The Works in 1993 I disliked it. Then it grew on me a lot, Queen liked this record a lot when they released it back then, because it took the Queen sound into a new decade. Look what happened to other Rock bands like Led Zep, Gentle Giant, Kansas... I heard Radio Gaga perhaps 300-500 times. And i still enjoy it each time I hear it. It is timeless music.... Why compare the songs on The Works with previous songs they released, of course there are similarities, but that's the typical Queen sound - they tried something different with HOT SPACE - and most of the fans were fucked up. To me HOT SPACE is as enjoyable as THRILLER. THE WORKS sounds like traditional Queen put into an innovative 80's outfit. And it made Queen one of the greatest bands of the 80's. |
| doxonrox 29.10.2008 20:40 |
Marcos Napier wrote: And "Get the fuck outta here" is insulting to?... Adolfo's an ignorant asshole. Ignore him. |
| john bodega 29.10.2008 21:10 |
Jesus, don't come to this place for musical insight. "There Must Be More To Life Than This" should've been on the Works???! Feel-good, fairy floss, bullshit song. It makes me wonder why I complained so much about "We Believe" when really, something just as terrible has existed since the 80's. Man On the Prowl isn't as shitty as most people in this thread imply. It's definitely not among the tracks I'm taking with me to Mars, though. |
| joe90 30.10.2008 01:28 |
Why is this song so short? God this is like one of those 1000 inane questions kids ask. It just is!! OK! |
| Togg 30.10.2008 09:17 |
A silly question it is true, however at the risk of actually falling into a trap here... the simple reason is becuase it's a 50's-Elvis style song which were all basically about 2-3 mins long... simple A bigger question would be "why is The Game so short? Of all the Queen albums it feels like it ends way too soon, particularly since it was well reported at the time that they had a number of songs that could have been worked up to a finished track, why leave this album feeling more like an EP than a full LP? |
| Marcos Napier 30.10.2008 09:46 |
Maybe they wanted the album intentionally to be short so they could make the vinyl sound a little better (the larger the grooves the better the sound)? About the 50's songs: the Honeydrippers album is probably the shortest album I've ever seen (or heard...): 22 mins. |
| Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 30.10.2008 10:10 |
Marcos Napier wrote: And "Get the fuck outta here" is insulting to?... its supposed to be insulting to you, but I dont give a damn about you, just the band, respect the band |
| john bodega 30.10.2008 11:06 |
Someone brought up The Game being too short? Nah. All they had to do was delete "Coming Soon" forever and replace it with "Sandbox". |
| Kind of Magician 30.10.2008 16:13 |
Works is a great album!!! Better than The Game and Hot Space, tied with The Miracle and worse than AKOM...IMO! MOTP is a decent album track, I like Freddie's voice at the end... |
| Infallible 20.01.2009 14:00 |
I love Man on the Prowl, it's great. Interestingly every track on The Works appeared on a single as a UK a or b-side all within 1984, Queen had 5 hit singles that year including "Thank god It's Christmas", and the album got to number 2 you can't argue with that! Lester : ) P.S. I loved "I Go Crazy" too, it's Ace! |
| P-Staker 20.01.2009 14:51 |
Gotta love Queen fans. Filler. Crap. Embarrassment. Oh, but we LOOOOVE Queen. More than you do, probably. Lame fucks who know shit. You probably wish Queen were more like nu-metal which is, like, cool, cos it has, like, awesome, like, riffs. The idea that you own a Queen CD seriously bothers me; I'd rather pigs ate grandma's pearls. |
| mike hunt 21.01.2009 03:57 |
louvox wrote:Markman38 wrote: Mybe they didn't want to spent too much time on a fillerOther than "Hammer to fall" the entire "Works" album is an embarrassment. “Man on the prowl” is a remake of “Crazy little thing called love” and should have been left off to begin with. another retarded response from a retard. man on the prowl is a weak song, that is true, but your "remake" comment isn't all that original. Many have said the same thing. How stupid are you!... queen wrote more styles on the works than most bands write in a career. Radio ga ga (pop) tear it up (rock) hard life (operatic rock) MOTP (rock n roll) how many bands can play all those styles like queen did? Also, Lou, your favorite Queen album is "a day at the races" that album was basically a remake of anato, but I don't hear anyone complaining about that. I see the works as a middle of the road album, the 2 songs I don't like are tear it up and man on the prowl. The rest is good. |
| john bodega 21.01.2009 08:17 |
I remember this thread! Oh wow, thanks for the memories guys.. Only a musical moron compares "Play the Game" with "It's A Hard Life". The latter has far more in common with Bohemian Rhapsody, sans the rock section at the end. That's what it is; Bo Rhap, utilising only the ballad parts. People only compare it to "Play the Game" because "it's a haaaard life" sounds like "this is yoooooour life". Q E fucking D. I'm sick of hearing that comparison. "Man on the Prowl" isn't anything fantastic. Again, though, it's moronic to call it a remake of "Crazy Little Thing Called Love". For crying out loud, just because they went with a 50's nostalgia vibe doesn't actually make the song a 'remake'. Unless I've missed something, it was actually more like the fast bit of "Don't Try Suicide". I don't think The Works is that great an album, all up, but it's not really a lack of originality that kills it for me. It's the songs that they didn't use. "I Go Crazy" should've been on there, and Roger totally should've forced "Man On Fire" in there as well. Crap song really but it's catchy as all fuck. The video is hilarious too. |
| Amazon 21.01.2009 08:19 |
louvox wrote: There is nothing worse than when an artist rips themselves off. It shows boredom and a total lack of imagination and inspiration. The Works is their second worse offering ever. The entire thing sounds sterile, flat and cold. They are four individuals simply going through the motions and recycling old ideas. [listo] [li]Radio Ga, Ga is a complete joke and one of their most overrated songs. [li]Tear it up is a remake of We will rock you [li]It’s a hard life is a remake of Play the game [li]Man on the prowl is a remake of Crazy little thing called love [li]Machines is nauseous, repetitive & a complete bore! [li]I want to break free crawls along at a snails pace. The synth solo sounds like someone taking a shit. [li]Keep passing the open windows is a remake of Don’t stop me now. [li]Hammer to fall is the only good song on this scrap heap. [li]Is this the world we created? is a remake of the live version of Love of my life [/listo] .I don't get how people say that Tear it Up is a remake of We Will Rock You? As for KPTOW, how on earth is it a remake of DSMN? If anything, it was inspired more by the Beatles than DSMN. I like The Works alot. There is not one song on the album which I don't like, and many of them (Radio, IWTBF, KPTOW, Machines) are among my favourite Queen songs. But, what lets the album down for me is that it's too short and it doesn't seem like a coherent atudio album to me. There really aren't any 'quiet' songs; songs which are terrific but don't feel like hits. Almost all of the songs feel like hits and it comes across to me as too much of a collection of hits, rather than a unified work. That said, it's my second favourite album of the 80's (after The Game) and I think that Freddie was magnificent. [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] |
| Voice of Reason 2018 21.01.2009 10:18 |
The debate has developed as it always does. Regarding the original question - why doesn't it end smoothly? I don't know! Some other points - in 1984 bands could 'get away' with only 9 songs on an album and a lot of them did. 10 had been the standard, then 9 for a while. I think the Works had impact because of strong singles, great videos and, later, the tour. Two of the singles made it into the Live Aid selection. The rest of the album is fairly weak, only 9 tracks and a few 'remakes' as listed above. If Radio Gaga had flopped that could well have been the end of Queen coming as it did after Hot Space and Back Chat making no. 40 in the UK. |
| louvox 21.01.2009 12:23 |
It's a crappy song that should not have been recorded in the first place. The Works CD is Queen's second worst offering! |
| TELMO 21.01.2009 14:11 |
One of the best songs of this album for me... And I don't understand how so many people don't like it when it's very similar to CLTCL, and no one says that hates CLTCL. As someone has said, addind "There must be more to life than this" would have been great, at least for me. I like it more than "Is this the world...?". |
| Valentine '90 21.01.2009 14:40 |
Man On The Prowl is a great track - just listen to it and you'll find - it is completely finished song - no shorter, no longer - it's just OK I love Freddie sings it My first CD I have is from 2005 - A Night At The Opera with The Works - that was first ever rock'n'roll I've heard and all songs hit me very much. I still enjoy The Works - and Man On The Prowl is much better then CrazyLTCL Ok, I must finish to read this topic |
| Valentine '90 22.01.2009 03:19 |
Err, Would be nice to listen the 6,5-lenght version Maybe it's official, then Well, would someone send me a PM with a link to it? |
| Vali 22.01.2009 04:44 |
from www.queenvault.com : Man On The Prowl (Extended Verion) 6:04 Written by Freddie Mercury Appears on: UK Thank God It's Christmas 12" vinyl, 12" Collection CD At almost 3 minutes longer than the album version, this extended mix can get a little repetitive. That being said, it is a fun mix with lots of added piano, bass, and vocal bits. The added instrumental bits make it sound more like a jam session. If you liked the album version, you'll love this. And I must add: if you didn't like the album version, you'll hate this one !! But that's not my case .... I don't love it, but wouldn't say I hate it |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.01.2009 07:11 |
masterstroke_84 wrote: being a Queen fan is to love everything they do because is Queen? even if is crap?... the works is a great album except Break free and Prowl... the rest is classic and great. you dont have an idea of how much I love Queen (15 years of love now), but I do have a common sense that says to me that even them, the greatest band on the planet, made crap songs, crap albums and crap shows. wake up, nothing is perfect. No, no, no, you've got it all wrong! Being a Queen-fan is like being a religious fanatic: you must not only defend everything the band ever did, you also have to make anyone who disagrees feel inferior, charge them with blasphemy and call for their gruesome murder. Then there is also the commandment to sacrifice all your free time in converting those who haven't yet seen the light to Queen, and to smite all those who oppose you or will not be converted. Finally, you must also follow in their footsteps by making crap music and screaming at the top of your voice that it is exactly like Queen until people stop contradicting you. Ask Treasure Moment for further details, he knows all about it... |
| john bodega 22.01.2009 07:23 |
Treasure Moment could not be contacted for further comment as he is currently colonising Gliese 581 c. At least, that's what the mushrooms are telling him. |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.01.2009 07:46 |
Oh bummer. I was hoping he was in the process of overdosing on DMT. Now that would be fun! |
| Amazon 23.01.2009 05:14 |
Here's an interesting question on a similar theme. Why does The Show Must Go On end so softly? It doesn't end with the bang that I was expecting or hoping it would. |
| thomasquinn 32989 23.01.2009 06:38 |
Amazon wrote: Here's an interesting question on a similar theme. Why does The Show Must Go On end so softly? It doesn't end with the bang that I was expecting or hoping it would. I'd say exactly *because* you'd expect it to end "with [a] bang". Keeps things interesting. |