QueenZone discussion #1136329

clear wrote: Don't forget, if you are an proper Queen fan and still feel the need to buy the new stuff masquarading as Queen, you don't have to put up with crap. I am proud to say that I was true to my inner voice and went back to ZAVVI in London and told them I wanted my money back. The Cosmos Rocks is total toilet. (I filled up a couple of holes in my Thin Lizzy collection instead).

clear wrote: 7 Call Me – A playful Brian number

clear wrote: Ha ha, it does sound dramatic doesn't it. Here's why - a review I wrote when I first heard it... 1 Cosmos Rockin – The guitar just after the opening “What planet is this?” is a direct steal from the opening of “I Would Do Anything For Love” by Meat Loaf.The structure sounds like a Jeff Lynne (ELO) song . The backing vocals remind me of The Beasties Boys “Fight For Your Right To PAAAARTY” thing from the 80’s – “the policeman says Stop This Noise”.And don’t forget , this is the opener – supposedly designed to grab us. 2 Time To Shine – Oh shit, is he going to try a Mustapha… no wait…it’s turned into Pinball Wizard. The wailing chorus sounds like John Farnham. 3 Still Burnin – A dirge. I was trying to identify the middle 8 guitar sound and was listening to clips from NOTW and Jazz and it made me sad. The quality and originality of the those albums just pisses over this. And then, OH MY GOD, the WWRY drum/clap. Bloody hell, are you doing a new album or is it a tribue. Why Paul Rogers would allow that is a mystery. 4 Small – Is this an attempt at an “Imagine” (music, not lyrics). I quite like the melody. That fazy bit towards the end is also a bit ELO (I suppose it’s the cosmos connection – Jeff should claim royalties). 5 Warboys – The opening reminded me of “Freedom Train” from “Happiness” but when I listened to “FT” it just reminded me of “Liar” (the syncopated rhythm). After that initial interest it goes nowhere. Another sludgy mess. I know that PR is a respected singer etc but to me he sounds constipated and having a good strain on the bog. 6 We Believe – The start of this sounds like a cross between the song that opened the last tour (Reaching Out?) and a Clliff Richard Christmas number. Then Brian rips off the riff from “Leaving Home Ain’t Easy” (keep up you youngun’s). When it gets going those typical Queen block harmonies are so obviously missing Fred’s voice. And the lyrics…. Brian Ithink..have an animal rights element at the end. Good on you Brian. How did you get Roger “Countryside Alliance” to agree to that one? 7 Call Me – A playful Brian number (sort of “Let Your Heart Rule Your Head”). Paul is much too butch for this though and has to finish the track with a dismissive laugh (as if to say “what a crock”… indeed). 8 Voodoo – Just un-necessary indulgent wank. At least “See What A Fool I’ve Been” had Fred’s voice on it. 9 Some Things That Glitter – Another song that tries to create interest by bringing in the drums after the first chorus (“Small”). This is SO weak. 10 C-lebrity – Yes, the people you refer to in the lyric have nothing to offer – but, obviously, neither have you anymore. And this was the single!!!!!!!! Old, bitter men realising their time in the sun has gone. 11 Through The Night – By this time even the most ardent QPR apologist must be reaching for the asprin bottle. I can’t think of any occasion in life when I’d like to listen to this depressing rot. 12 Say It’s No True – My partner (who only knows Queens music through me) said “Isn’t this Roger’s solo thing. Of course he’s right. It’s a rip off of “Foreign Sand”. 13 Surf’s Up, Schools Out – Jim Steinman (who wrote Meat Loaf’s most successful stuff) had a solo album called “Bad For Good”. The title track was used by Meat Loaf on his last album with Mr Brian May as guest guitarist. What a surprise that the original Jim Steinman album has a track called “Surf’s Up”. For good measure they’ve added the Alice Cooper title “School’s Out” and included some “Flash” style dialogue about weather warnings at the beginning.

clear wrote: Well. I'l stand corrected if that is so. I thought all the songs were credited to all 3. And this track sounds, musically, so obviously one of Brian's quirky numbers. Maybe Paul wrote the lyrics.

PieterMC wrote:

clear wrote: Don't forget, if you are an proper Queen fan and still feel the need to buy the new stuff masquarading as Queen, you don't have to put up with crap. I am proud to say that I was true to my inner voice and went back to ZAVVI in London and told them I wanted my money back. The Cosmos Rocks is total toilet. (I filled up a couple of holes in my Thin Lizzy collection instead).

Oh stop being so dramatic.

clear wrote: Don't forget, if you are an proper Queen fan and still feel the need to buy the new stuff masquarading as Queen, you don't have to put up with crap. I am proud to say that I was true to my inner voice and went back to ZAVVI in London and told them I wanted my money back. The Cosmos Rocks is total toilet. (I filled up a couple of holes in my Thin Lizzy collection instead).

PieterMC wrote: Yes they are all credited to QPR but they have been quoted in several interviews that Paul wrote that one. They did not collaborate writing on any tracks.

clear wrote: Don't forget, if you are an proper Queen fan and still feel the need to buy the new stuff masquarading as Queen, you don't have to put up with crap. I am proud to say that I was true to my inner voice and went back to ZAVVI in London and told them I wanted my money back. The Cosmos Rocks is total toilet. (I filled up a couple of holes in my Thin Lizzy collection instead).

beautifulsoup wrote: The allowed you to return a CD that was opened?

Marcos Napier wrote:

beautifulsoup wrote: The allowed you to return a CD that was opened?

My thoughts as well. What is getting boring is the hate of both parts. We can do whatever we want and there is no law that forbids us to hate it neither there is one that says that if you are a "proper fan" you must buy it and build an althar just to worship it. Those who loved it should respect those who hated it and vice-versa.

KingMercury wrote: The Cosmos Rocks is a great album... If you dont like, ok, but you dont have to take it back to the shop and then post that fact on this board, just to show the other people how brave you are And no one is interested in your review (funny hoy many people, suddenly, posts reviews, like a music journalist) What the fuck you were expecting? A modern version of Boh Rhap? Hey, this is Queen+Paul Rodgers, another band, another sound And TCR is a great rock album... But you have to know a little bit of music, to call an album "crap" Im proud of the guys... They show us that they still can rock!!!!!

bgordon88 wrote: There jusy seem to be alot of people who are almost turning on Brian, Roger and Paul in a kind of personal way because they album does not meet their expectations. There is almost a "string em up" type attitude which I find strange in a fan forum.  I guess the heresy here is using the Queen name but Freddie Mercury/Queen should not be used like a religion to breed hatred amongst people - how can that be right ?

clear wrote: 13 Surf’s Up, Schools Out – Jim Steinman (who wrote Meat Loaf’s most successful stuff) had a solo album called “Bad For Good”. The title track was used by Meat Loaf on his last album with Mr Brian May as guest guitarist. What a surprise that the original Jim Steinman album has a track called “Surf’s Up”. For good measure they’ve added the Alice Cooper title “School’s Out” and included some “Flash” style dialogue about weather warnings at the beginning.

QUEENROCKS_1991 wrote: I like it    bought 2  1 for the car  1 for indoor   Those who dont like it   never mind  noone forced u to buy it :) 

bgordon88 wrote:

There jusy seem to be alot of people who are almost turning on Brian, Roger and Paul in a kind of personal way because they album does not meet their expectations. There is almost a "string em up" type attitude which I find strange in a fan forum.  I guess the heresy here is using the Queen name but Freddie Mercury/Queen should not be used like a religion to breed hatred amongst people - how can that be right ?

"turning on" is a strong word to use...people are entitled to their opinion. just because YOU might loev ti....or love the sound of Brian farting in a jar...doesn;t mean aeveryone ahs to like it too
and "not meeting their expectations" is a fair assessment - ie - if it doens;t then of course it's disappointing/average/shit/tedious....whatever
TCR is no different ot any other album out there...if people dont like it they are entitled to say so...as mildly or strongly as they feel about it, after all if it was any other rock band you wouldn;t be complaining about these opinions would you?

clear wrote: Ha ha, it does sound dramatic doesn't it. Here's why - a review I wrote when I first heard it... 1 Cosmos Rockin – The guitar just after the opening “What planet is this?” is a direct steal from the opening of “I Would Do Anything For Love” by Meat Loaf.The structure sounds like a Jeff Lynne (ELO) song . The backing vocals remind me of The Beasties Boys “Fight For Your Right To PAAAARTY” thing from the 80’s – “the policeman says Stop This Noise”.And don’t forget , this is the opener – supposedly designed to grab us. 2 Time To Shine – Oh shit, is he going to try a Mustapha… no wait…it’s turned into Pinball Wizard. The wailing chorus sounds like John Farnham. 3 Still Burnin – A dirge. I was trying to identify the middle 8 guitar sound and was listening to clips from NOTW and Jazz and it made me sad. The quality and originality of the those albums just pisses over this. And then, OH MY GOD, the WWRY drum/clap. Bloody hell, are you doing a new album or is it a tribue. Why Paul Rogers would allow that is a mystery. 4 Small – Is this an attempt at an “Imagine” (music, not lyrics). I quite like the melody. That fazy bit towards the end is also a bit ELO (I suppose it’s the cosmos connection – Jeff should claim royalties). 5 Warboys – The opening reminded me of “Freedom Train” from “Happiness” but when I listened to “FT” it just reminded me of “Liar” (the syncopated rhythm). After that initial interest it goes nowhere. Another sludgy mess. I know that PR is a respected singer etc but to me he sounds constipated and having a good strain on the bog. 6 We Believe – The start of this sounds like a cross between the song that opened the last tour (Reaching Out?) and a Clliff Richard Christmas number. Then Brian rips off the riff from “Leaving Home Ain’t Easy” (keep up you youngun’s). When it gets going those typical Queen block harmonies are so obviously missing Fred’s voice. And the lyrics…. Brian Ithink..have an animal rights element at the end. Good on you Brian. How did you get Roger “Countryside Alliance” to agree to that one? 7 Call Me – A playful Brian number (sort of “Let Your Heart Rule Your Head”). Paul is much too butch for this though and has to finish the track with a dismissive laugh (as if to say “what a crock”… indeed). 8 Voodoo – Just un-necessary indulgent wank. At least “See What A Fool I’ve Been” had Fred’s voice on it. 9 Some Things That Glitter – Another song that tries to create interest by bringing in the drums after the first chorus (“Small”). This is SO weak. 10 C-lebrity – Yes, the people you refer to in the lyric have nothing to offer – but, obviously, neither have you anymore. And this was the single!!!!!!!! Old, bitter men realising their time in the sun has gone. 11 Through The Night – By this time even the most ardent QPR apologist must be reaching for the asprin bottle. I can’t think of any occasion in life when I’d like to listen to this depressing rot. 12 Say It’s No True – My partner (who only knows Queens music through me) said “Isn’t this Roger’s solo thing. Of course he’s right. It’s a rip off of “Foreign Sand”. 13 Surf’s Up, Schools Out – Jim Steinman (who wrote Meat Loaf’s most successful stuff) had a solo album called “Bad For Good”. The title track was used by Meat Loaf on his last album with Mr Brian May as guest guitarist. What a surprise that the original Jim Steinman album has a track called “Surf’s Up”. For good measure they’ve added the Alice Cooper title “School’s Out” and included some “Flash” style dialogue about weather warnings at the beginning.

Negative Creep wrote:

Marcos Napier wrote:

beautifulsoup wrote: The allowed you to return a CD that was opened?

My thoughts as well. What is getting boring is the hate of both parts. We can do whatever we want and there is no law that forbids us to hate it neither there is one that says that if you are a "proper fan" you must buy it and build an althar just to worship it. Those who loved it should respect those who hated it and vice-versa.

Well, seeing as the new album doesn't come sealed..... Anyway, you can return CDs that have been opened as long none of the packaging is damaged normally.

Micrówave wrote: I just called that shop and spoke to a lovely lady name Marie.  No, they don't accept open product returns without defect. I also asked if anyone had returned the new Queen CD because they didn't like it.  She can't speak for everyone in the store, but there are no copies in their returns box, which they keep in the back room. Clear is clearly full of it.

But the consequence is that you don't accept the 2 guys, cause it is they who write this music. It can't be that you don't like the music but you do like the authors??? This is nonsense

Marcos Napier wrote:

But the consequence is that you don't accept the 2 guys, cause it is they who write this music. It can't be that you don't like the music but you do like the authors??? This is nonsense

Ok. Do you mean you still consider them to be great musicians but you don't like their creation? If you don'tlike their creation it means you don't like them as musicians. What is the reason now for you to think they are great rockers? Their looks or what? Please, explain. I don't understand. What is your attitude to them?

Micrówave wrote:       This is still going? The Rik (love your ESPN commercials, by the way) said: Let's all respect one another. I bought the album, nobody forced me into it. I was disappointed, but that's the risk with any album. Been an active fan now for thirty years and I think taking this album back to the shop is both brave and brilliant! And funny, ofcourse! Well, I submit to you that the topic starter is the one disrespecting us, disrespectful for we who like Cosmos Rocks. What was the point of his creative fiction, other than to stir things up?  First off, anyone who "takes an album back" because they didn't like it is an idiot in the first place.  It's not brave.  It's not brilliant.  It's an idiot who bought something without looking into it.  There are all kinds of places physical and here on the internet where he could have listened to it FOR FREE.  Why would he just go buy it unknowing?  Because he's an idiot.       I still don't think he took it back.  Is this how he buys his cars?  his insurance?  his house payment?  his cell phone bill?  Don't most people check things out prior to purchase?       I guess if he didn't like Crunch Berries, he'd take those back to the grocery store then, yes? That would sure show Captain Crunch!!!      

joe90 wrote: After giving TCR a fair shot, there are definitley songs i like, and songs, imo, they should have kept on the shelf. I find i'm skipping the same songs now. My listening order goes somethin like 1. Cosmos Rocks 2. 3. 4. Small 5. 6. We Believe 7. Call Me 8. 9. Some Things That Glitter 10. C-Lebrity 11. 12. Say Its Not True 13. 14. So 7 hits, 7 misses for me. Thats a better strike rate than a lot of new records i've listened to, so my verdict is that it's hardly the stuff of classic records, but definitely not as bad as some people make out.

Holly2003 wrote: I took TCR back to the shop and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.

clear wrote: Don't forget, if you are an proper Queen fan and still feel the need to buy the new stuff masquarading as Queen, you don't have to put up with crap. I am proud to say that I was true to my inner voice and went back to ZAVVI in London and told them I wanted my money back. The Cosmos Rocks is total toilet. (I filled up a couple of holes in my Thin Lizzy collection instead).

Micrówave wrote: Ah, it's Mr. Took the Box Set back to the shop

inu-liger wrote: The reason those "Queen fans" love to bash TCR? Because they're trolls with personal, horribly stressful lives for whatever reason(s)

Ken8 wrote:

inu-liger wrote: The reason those "Queen fans" love to bash TCR? Because they're trolls with personal, horribly stressful lives for whatever reason(s)

Or they could just think it's a poor album that hasn't sold either. Or perhaps they've been around long enough to finally see Queen get the serious recognition they deserve only to have it damaged by a couple of the remaining members egos........

*As Greg Brooks so duly pointed out many times, it's too easy to say *ANYTHING* from the (false) 'security' of your private, personal computer screen. In real life, it's a totally different situation, guaranteed.

Marcos Napier wrote:

*As Greg Brooks so duly pointed out many times, it's too easy to say *ANYTHING* from the (false) 'security' of your private, personal computer screen. In real life, it's a totally different situation, guaranteed.

What should we haters do? Post an Youtube video saying how much we hate it? Write letters (handwritten, e-mails will be ignored) to Brian's house? I even gave a second chance to TCR, downloading it again (sorry, I won't buy it). It's lost in the digital space right now, couldn't go past song #3 again.

Panchgani wrote: ???? Stick to your own damn vile topics for fuck sakes.   ???? This an anti-TCR thread ... evidently you are the invader in this topic.  Personally I think that TCR is just OK, but it certainly doesn't find "Time to Shine".  However, compared to the Flash Gordon Soundtrack or the Freddie Mercury Album, TCR is a timeless classic.

  Marcos Napier wrote:  

*As Greg Brooks so duly pointed out many times, it's too easy to say *ANYTHING* from the (false) 'security' of your private, personal computer screen. In real life, it's a totally different situation, guaranteed.

What should we haters do? Post an Youtube video saying how much we hate it? Write letters (handwritten, e-mails will be ignored) to Brian's house? I even gave a second chance to TCR, downloading it again (sorry, I won't buy it). It's lost in the digital space right now, couldn't go past song #3 again.

How about skipping it and checking the rest of the songs then?

Did you also miss them here in Brazil just because of your silly Mercurism? I'd dare to say the Rio gig was the best we've had in years and years - that is, if the fans who attended all concerts here hadn't mentioned the gigs in São Paulo were even better!

  Panchgani wrote: ???? Stick to your own damn vile topics for fuck sakes.   ???? This an anti-TCR thread ... evidently you are the invader in this topic.  Personally I think that TCR is just OK, but it certainly doesn't find "Time to Shine".  However, compared to the Flash Gordon Soundtrack or the Freddie Mercury Album, TCR is a timeless classic.

Which songs on TCR are worse than these 10 songs from the Flash Gordon Soundtrack ???:

Marcos Napier wrote:

Which songs on TCR are worse than these 10 songs from the Flash Gordon Soundtrack ???:

All but Still Burnin'.

Panchgani wrote:

Marcos Napier wrote:

Which songs on TCR are worse than these 10 songs from the Flash Gordon Soundtrack ???:

All but Still Burnin'.

So, let me get this straight ... You would rather be locked in a room with a loop of ... "Why is water coming from her eyes? It's what they call tears.  It's a sign of their weaknessssss" ... than listen to any song from TCR (aside from Still Burning) Wow.  Did the Cult of Fred teach you this?

Zebonka12 wrote: I accept that I probably have stacks of naivety in this area, but I don't see how TCR can damage Queen's legacy or reputation - in the eyes of an intelligent person, at least.  Queen's legacy is set in stone; those albums, live recordings and songs aren't going anywhere.  One can easily choose to ignore everything they did after a certain point; if 'the public' were to suddenly see Queen as a joke just because of some bad collaborations in the years 1992-2008, then big deal. For what it's worth, I don't think that's happened.  Where I live, people don't even know there was a new Queen album. Get a new promotional team, Brian...

Ken8 wrote: the notion of new material, collaborations and tours by "Queen" are mostly met with lots of eye rolling and questions of why?....