| mike hunt 22.09.2008 04:42 |
Is there any decent bass playing on this new album?...I think John would have Improved this album with his solid playing and songwriting abilities. Listen to the spicey bass on hot space and the miracle compared to the TCR. John is sadly missed, and he could have written better songs than the embarrassing 'cosmos rockin' and the horrible surf's up...Schools out. Maybe he'll come out of retirement for the next album. |
| Willo 22.09.2008 04:57 |
Next album will still fail. John made the right choice to not participate in this humiliation. |
| P-Staker 22.09.2008 07:24 |
Willo wrote: Next album will still fail. John made the right choice to not participate in this humiliation.How predictable was that... Dick. |
| Adam Baboolal 22.09.2008 07:46 |
Well Willo, the fact that I just saw the news item saying they're at no.5 in the album chart says a fair bit to me. That's pretty impressive considering what the Freddie maniacs on here say about no Queen without Freddie milarky. I loved Freddie and he's who inspires me to sing, but he's gone. I accept that. Yes, the bass playing is pretty basic. But then, I was listening to Roger on the radio yesterday and John hates the music business and decided to leave. No chance of him reappearing, but I guess we knew that. :) How about a, "who could play the bass for them?" question. Adam. |
| Togg 22.09.2008 07:51 |
Wish I had a (failed) top 5 album out.... |
| Sebastian 22.09.2008 08:01 |
I haven't listened to the album, but I thought I'd add my two pence: Roger, Paul and Brian have loads of skills, separately and together - but playing bass isn't one of them. |
| Richard Orchard 22.09.2008 08:39 |
not sure about the bass playing... I am sure they are OK in the bass department. But, the new album is very un-Queen sounding. I think that many of the songs do stand on their own - but you very detatched from any "Queen" sound. Much more similar to Paul Rodgers stuff. |
| rockthecosmos2008 22.09.2008 09:26 |
mike hunt wrote: Is there any decent bass playing on this new album?...I think John would have Improved this album with his solid playing and songwriting abilities. Listen to the spicey bass on hot space and the miracle compared to the TCR. John is sadly missed, and he could have written better songs than the embarrassing 'cosmos rockin' and the horrible surf's up...Schools out. Maybe he'll come out of retirement for the next album.Yes i agree that the album is missing John, but i still like it, it is not as bad as some people are making out. I enjoyed TCR, if they do a second album, i think it will be more rock than blues (we can hope!) |
| new one 22.09.2008 10:58 |
I think they miss John aswell but lets not overstate it. As good as John was/is he was responsible or some of the shall we say shittier numbers on the last couple of albums. His last hit was I want to break free if I'm not mistaken, I don't recall Friends will be friends setting the world alight which I would say was his last good song we know of. |
| P-Staker 22.09.2008 11:50 |
Back on topic, of course John is bitterly missed. He was a master of bass and contributed a lot to the band. But then, I respect his decision to retire as much as the other guys' decision to continue... |
| new one 22.09.2008 12:01 |
Hey I totally miss John too and wish he was involved on this project as it would give it more credibility if that the right word to use. But like the previous poster says he's retired and that has to be respected so that's the end of it. |
| rockthecosmos2008 22.09.2008 14:53 |
Hi I did read that they sent songs from the new album to John, if he called them back he did not like it, if they heard nothing he liked it, i think i ead it on Queenzone somewhere in the news section |
| April 22.09.2008 15:01 |
What about writing a letter to John like we did to Paul? Asking him to join? Is it too naive? |
| jeffuk49 22.09.2008 15:23 |
yawn yawn more JD threads he has retired he does not like the music buisness fact, we should be grateful for an album. I really honestly don't think JD would have brought too much to the new album if he was involved if you listen some of the bass rifts on CR, Still Burning etc are pretty good, songwriting well might have got a track from him. when people say he was a master at the bass??? not sure about that one he was good but master dont think so, yeah he was 1/4 of Queen but he's retired and that is his right, Danny Miranda is more than capable of filling his boots on tour and he can sing aswell |
| john bodega 23.09.2008 01:12 |
I liked the decision to make the bass distorted on "School's Out". That's about it. The rest of the songs have bits where you can just HEAR John's absence. That doesn't make a lick of sense I suppose, but honestly. People are shitting upon the new songs because they're 'simple'. You know, a lot of Queen's biggest hits weren't musically complicated in and of themselves, but the parts that each member was playing were usually a stroke of genius. I just made this example in another thread... but "Save Me" isn't the worlds fanciest song, not by a long shot, but John's playing is fantastic. It matches it so well. The nearest comparison I can find on the new album is "Some Things That Glitter". The bass is just so... lacking. |
| mike hunt 23.09.2008 02:14 |
jeffuk49 wrote: yawn yawn more JD threads he has retired he does not like the music buisness fact, we should be grateful for an album. I really honestly don't think JD would have brought too much to the new album if he was involved if you listen some of the bass rifts on CR, Still Burning etc are pretty good, songwriting well might have got a track from him. when people say he was a master at the bass??? not sure about that one he was good but master dont think so, yeah he was 1/4 of Queen but he's retired and that is his right, Danny Miranda is more than capable of filling his boots on tour and he can sing aswellI Agree John wasn't the master of the Bass, but he was a good one, and don't forget his songwriting abilities. His playing would have only improved the album. |
| mike hunt 23.09.2008 02:19 |
Willo wrote: Next album will still fail. John made the right choice to not participate in this humiliation.This album has been a success, what is it at #5 on the charts?...No question about it, a Queen album with all the original members would have peaked at #1, but the top 5 isn't bad. If you want to talk about competition who would have won, a new album from The real Queen vs metallica in the UK?...I would bet on Queen. |
| inu-liger 23.09.2008 02:57 |
Togg wrote: Wish I had a (failed) top 5 album out....You've been beaten. In Swedish chart news, Treasure Moment + Nordman also entered the album charts at no. 5 with "The Homos Cock" |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 23.09.2008 04:29 |
Togg wrote: Wish I had a (failed) top 5 album out....number 5 in the UK charts is piss-poor for the standard the group have set themselves over the years.its probably the worse performing entry [for a Queen studio album].even Hot Space was a place higher than this on its release |
| Micrówave 23.09.2008 11:44 |
It's amazing how many people on here seem to be autorities on Bass Guitar, yet I don't know any of you to be even close to being on the same level as the people you (1) miss and (2) play on the album. In fact how many bass players on Queenzone? I don't mean failed guitarists, I mean legitimate bass players. |
| PieterMC 23.09.2008 11:58 |
JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:Piss poor? Considering that there is a sizable chunk of Queen fans who don't even want to touch this with a 10 foot pole I'd say it did pretty damn well. Let's not forget those who would also rather now download illegal copies that actually buy it.Togg wrote: Wish I had a (failed) top 5 album out....number 5 in the UK charts is piss-poor for the standard the group have set themselves over the years.its probably the worse performing entry [for a Queen studio album].even Hot Space was a place higher than this on its release News of the World also entered the chart at #4 btw. |
| SomebodyWhoLoves 23.09.2008 17:58 |
Sorry but Queen are a LEGENDARY BAND, one of the best, if not, the BEST BANDS OF ALL TIME. For them to not reach #1 is a dismal failure. |
| kingogre 23.09.2008 18:11 |
This is excellent considering the circumstances. Its nearly 15 years since they last released something major. The world changes. Its extremely unfair to compare with when they were 30. How many veteran artists reach number one these days.. |
| Piut 24.09.2008 10:18 |
John deacon is the defensor of the sacre flame...ok, that's his choice! to him it was simplier stop being a musician perhaps not so easy for brian and roger! so please, just stop saying he is right being retired, like i said, it is his choice! i think instead we should appreciate brian and roger courage to stage again, aware of the bad criticism around them! it's not always a matter of money and business, they are musicians and cannot stop being that! i respect john's decision but i also think that a man who can stay far away from what he has been for several years is not a musician, he is something else, not just a musician!i agree with the fact that john skills would have helped Queen+Paul in creating a better album, but i disagree when everybody apologizes john and fires Brian and Roger... |
| drwinston 24.09.2008 10:31 |
Microwave wrote: It's amazing how many people on here seem to be autorities on Bass Guitar, yet I don't know any of you to be even close to being on the same level as the people you (1) miss and (2) play on the album. In fact how many bass players on Queenzone? I don't mean failed guitarists, I mean legitimate bass players.I'm a "failed" guitarist, and when I am forced to play bass, it sounds like.. well.. like I could have been the bass player for TCR! Seriously though, I don't know exactly how much difference it would have made, but it would have helped. Listen to the bass on Voodoo. If a real bass player, that actually knew blues bass progressions and turnarounds, had played on it I think it would have made a big difference. |
| Marcos Napier 24.09.2008 11:15 |
It's a little better when someone criticizes something having experience and skills on the subject they are criticizing, but why not think about the reverse situation? When one says that some musician is "brilliant", are all these that say that skilled musicians enough to do such a statement technically speaking? Not really, they aren't basing their comments on skills sometimes, but on the effects of the the "final result" has on them. 99% of the Queen fans have never touched a guitar in their lives, let alone try multi-layering tricks etc. etc. etc. Still, Brian is a genius for most of them. |
| Micrówave 24.09.2008 12:16 |
drwinston wrote: I could have been the bass player for TCR! Seriously though, I don't know exactly how much difference it would have made, but it would have helped.Wow. I think you left your EGO pedal on, you're draining the batteries!!! If you "don't know exactly how much difference it would have made", then you're not on that level. It not just a matter of getting your finger on the right fret. But you go on with your "I could do that" attitude and I will continue to support your album sales and world tours. If they ever happen. |
| 7Innuendo7 24.09.2008 13:51 |
I'm an illegitimate bass player, and I even admit to loving the Roland AX-1 (strap on keyboard) and all kinds of antique Roland gear, like the MC-500 mkII sequencer. Sure QPR misses John, as far as I can tell, but the show must go on. What did we expect? Brian May to be a better bass player than John Deacon? I've only heard C-lebritah on local radio and the snippets of the album gleaned here & youtube of the album. The dj likes it a lot, a lot. So far it sounds better than the first Firm album, but beyond that, I'll reserve opinion 'til I get my copy. A 5 spot on the UK chart definitely draws respect -- look at how things have changed -- and even then, live music is where it's at. Piut -- awesome post -- someday owe you a cold drink! |
| AmeriQueen 25.09.2008 00:26 |
You know, I never truly appreciated Deacon's bass until this record. I see a lack of those odd, structuring, quietly shifting bass lines, and can't help but think of what the bass riff in Time To Shine might have sounded like with Deacon creating it. And the Deacon songs always, ALWAYS had good lyrics. I can't think of a better lyricist in Queen really than Deacon. |
| Micrówave 25.09.2008 12:09 |
nothing wrong with the Roland AX-1 |
| ITSM 25.09.2008 12:21 |
Save Me I think that song made a new trend. It's slow, hard, slow, hard, slow, hard... Like almost every NIRVANA's songs, and we know Kurt Cobain liked Queen in his youth... |
| April 25.09.2008 15:06 |
John Deacon wrote great songs. My favourite is Spread Your Wings and certainly Your're My Best Friend. |