QueenZone discussion #1130407

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: Brian & Roger are only proving one thing with this new Album: That Freddie Mercury was the MAIN reason for Queen's success and sound. In the past, we argued that it was a partnership of Freddie, Brian, Roger, and John. But now I am not sure that Brian + Roger + John is even half of what Freddie contributed. Freddie IS / WAS Queen. The "Red Special" used to be a signature piece of Queen. No longer. Brian has proven that with this new album. Brian, Roger, what you SHOULD've done was hire a Singer who can sing great, and remind us of Queen. Nobody could replace Freddie, but you should've hired a singer who could come close. Paul Rogers is too different from the Queen sound. You guys screwed up badly.

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: It's not the Cult of Freddie. It's the simple truth. Brian and Roger are only making fools of themselves, and are showing how little they contributed to the Queen sound.

Zebonka12 wrote: BLAH BLAH BLAH.... There should be camps for people like these...

Haystacks Calhounski wrote: Then way waste your time blathering? Fucktard.

pittrek wrote: Jesus Christ how many fucking threads do you people want to start ?

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:

pittrek wrote: Jesus Christ how many fucking threads do you people want to start ?

As many as we can to piss people like you off. YAY...we pissed him off! WHOO HOO!

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:

Haystacks Calhounski wrote: Then way waste your time blathering? Fucktard.

Because we live in a FREE society where we have Freedom of Speech? And um..also because this is a Messageboard?

Haystacks Calhounski wrote:

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:

pittrek wrote: Jesus Christ how many fucking threads do you people want to start ?

As many as we can to piss people like you off. YAY...we pissed him off! WHOO HOO!

There you have it. A troll in the finest sense. There should be camps for trolls like you, complete with death squads.

Haystacks Calhounski wrote:

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:

Haystacks Calhounski wrote: Then way waste your time blathering? Fucktard.

Because we live in a FREE society where we have Freedom of Speech? And um..also because this is a Messageboard?

Freedom of Speech and acting like a complete idiot are two vastly different things..... You mother should have aborted you.

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: Brian & Roger are only proving one thing with this new Album: That Freddie Mercury was the MAIN reason for Queen's success and sound. In the past, we argued that it was a partnership of Freddie, Brian, Roger, and John. But now I am not sure that Brian + Roger + John is even half of what Freddie contributed. Freddie IS / WAS Queen. The "Red Special" used to be a signature piece of Queen. No longer. Brian has proven that with this new album. Brian, Roger, what you SHOULD've done was hire a Singer who can sing great, and remind us of Queen. Nobody could replace Freddie, but you should've hired a singer who could come close. Paul Rogers is too different from the Queen sound. You guys screwed up badly.

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: everyone's a critic...

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: everyone's a critic...

I'm not being critical to be an a-Hole. I revere every member of Queen. Brian and Roger went from being gods of Rock and Roll to being pathetic. Seriously, this album SUCKS.

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: Brian & Roger are only proving one thing with this new Album: That Freddie Mercury was the MAIN reason for Queen's success and sound. In the past, we argued that it was a partnership of Freddie, Brian, Roger, and John. But now I am not sure that Brian + Roger + John is even half of what Freddie contributed. Freddie IS / WAS Queen. The "Red Special" used to be a signature piece of Queen. No longer. Brian has proven that with this new album.

Adolfo wrote:

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: Brian & Roger are only proving one thing with this new Album: That Freddie Mercury was the MAIN reason for Queen's success and sound. In the past, we argued that it was a partnership of Freddie, Brian, Roger, and John. But now I am not sure that Brian + Roger + John is even half of what Freddie contributed. Freddie IS / WAS Queen. The "Red Special" used to be a signature piece of Queen. No longer.

kingogre wrote: This album is the best thing theyve done in years. Might not be a huge success, but many GREAT albums arent. The record business has changed, no point in arguing about that. Its not an imitation of their old sound, but then again that would have been completely pointless. And Brian has already proven several times that he can sound like Queen on his own if he wants to, no point in doing that again. Queen were always about moving forward and doing new things, and now theyve done it again. Paul is one of the absolutely best singers of his generation active today and an extraordinarily talented musician, to only use him as somekind of vehicle for making a Queen-retro record would have been stupid. Brian and Roger has now proved they can make great music on their own and how great musicians they were along and still are. Paul shows what a legend he truly is and why he is criminally unknown to many people.

Haystacks Calhounski wrote:

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:

Haystacks Calhounski wrote: Then way waste your time blathering? Fucktard.

Because we live in a FREE society where we have Freedom of Speech? And um..also because this is a Messageboard?

Freedom of Speech and acting like a complete idiot are two vastly different things..... You mother should have aborted you.

Ken8 wrote: The funny thing is that he thinks he's "clever"

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: Clearly the concept of Free Speech eludes you...

Zebonka12 wrote:

Ken8 wrote: The funny thing is that he thinks he's "clever" QUOTE] Blah-blah-blah. When did I ever make that claim?

And so quick to respond too!
Good, it's official. Zebonka refutes "clever" label.
Proof, if any is required is the classic "waste of a life" called Zebonka's blog.
Please visit there for evidence of someone who needs to get a grip and just get a life.

kingogre wrote: This album is the best thing theyve done in years.

kingogre wrote: Queen were always about moving forward and doing new things, and now theyve done it again.

kingogre wrote: Brian and Roger has now proved they can make great music on their own and how great musicians they were along and still are. Paul shows what a legend he truly is and why he is criminally unknown to many people.

Raf wrote: Oh, look who's back!

Band Forever wrote: Freddie with his range of voice would have delivered the songs with a different more stellar approach

Zebonka12 wrote:

Band Forever wrote: Freddie with his range of voice would have delivered the songs with a different more stellar approach

That may be true, but if he'd sung on this album then what you'd have would be great performances on songs that aren't all that special...

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: Brian, Roger, what you SHOULD've done was hire a Singer who can sing great, and remind us of Queen.

April wrote: Let's embrace the present and the future and be happy about the fact that our faves are with us again. It's Brian and Roger, it's them, the legendary musicians!

Tero wrote:

April wrote: Let's embrace the present and the future and be happy about the fact that our faves are with us again. It's Brian and Roger, it's them, the legendary musicians!

I really do hate to sound negative, but Brian and Roger are NOT my faves. My favourite group consisted of four equal members, and it took all four of them to be legendary. I'm sure quite a few people agree with me, and they are perfectly entitled to do so, without the need to be happy about something they don't really care about. Thanks!

Treasure Moment wrote: this album sounds more like paul rodgers feat brian may and roger taylor, has nothing to do with Queen whatsoever.

Bri-Anns Permed Poodle wrote: Thanks Brian and Roger you have turned the name Queen into a complete joke. What you should have done is sampled Freddie's voice on all new tracks instead of the useless pathetic excuse for a pub singer Rogers. PLEASE RETIRE NOW!!! Freddie was Queen you can never reclaim the magic you once had. ANGEY AS HELL. The new so called album Derserves the Media panning the media know Queen = Freddie why can't Brian and Roger ?

Hitman1965 wrote:

Bri-Anns Permed Poodle wrote: Thanks Brian and Roger you have turned the name Queen into a complete joke. What you should have done is sampled Freddie's voice on all new tracks instead of the useless pathetic excuse for a pub singer Rogers. PLEASE RETIRE NOW!!! Freddie was Queen you can never reclaim the magic you once had. ANGEY AS HELL. The new so called album Derserves the Media panning the media know Queen = Freddie why can't Brian and Roger ?

For God's sake get a life - didn't you notice the odd 350,000+ fans on Friday night? I somehow think you are in a very vocal but in real terms small minority. Looking forward to picking up my album of the year tomorrow :-)

April wrote:

Tero wrote:

April wrote: Let's embrace the present and the future and be happy about the fact that our faves are with us again. It's Brian and Roger, it's them, the legendary musicians!

I really do hate to sound negative, but Brian and Roger are NOT my faves. My favourite group consisted of four equal members, and it took all four of them to be legendary. I'm sure quite a few people agree with me, and they are perfectly entitled to do so, without the need to be happy about something they don't really care about. Thanks!

Yes, you are absolutely right! It took the 4 of them to be legendary. But if you stick to that premise then you have nothing to do with the new band as a fan. Isn't it better first to open your mind, listen to the group and judge it rather than have a foregone prejudiced attitude to them?

kingogre wrote: Far from average in my opinion. Some great songs, many surprises and a very nice "real" organic feel exactly like they said. The musicianship is great, probably among the best theyve ever done. Few albums spring to mind were they have shown so much enthusiasm, creativity and energy on their instruments. They are one of those bands were the musicianship is enough to carry an album. They dont have to rely on that here though. Probably to much soul and blues for the teenyboppers though.

Treasure Moment wrote: Freddies solo albums could have easily been Queen albums and in fact several of his solo songs are used as Queen songs. Freddie was the soul of Queen and the one who made them what they are, thats just a fact.

kingogre wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: Freddies solo albums could have easily been Queen albums and in fact several of his solo songs are used as Queen songs. Freddie was the soul of Queen and the one who made them what they are, thats just a fact.

Mr Bad Guy, three good songs and a lot of embarrasing 80s gay disco. That album has aged A LOT.

Ken8 wrote:

kingogre wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: Freddies solo albums could have easily been Queen albums and in fact several of his solo songs are used as Queen songs. Freddie was the soul of Queen and the one who made them what they are, thats just a fact.

Mr Bad Guy, three good songs and a lot of embarrasing 80s gay disco. That album has aged A LOT.

Yes it has, by todays standards it's a relic of another era. The Cosmos Rocks is also a relic of another era, and it's brand new. Do these guys even know what's going on in the music scene anymore? Not only is it a mediocre effort, it's so out of touch it's cringeworthy.

Holly2003 wrote:

Ken8 wrote:

kingogre wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: Freddies solo albums could have easily been Queen albums and in fact several of his solo songs are used as Queen songs. Freddie was the soul of Queen and the one who made them what they are, thats just a fact.

Mr Bad Guy, three good songs and a lot of embarrasing 80s gay disco. That album has aged A LOT.

Yes it has, by todays standards it's a relic of another era. The Cosmos Rocks is also a relic of another era, and it's brand new. Do these guys even know what's going on in the music scene anymore? Not only is it a mediocre effort, it's so out of touch it's cringeworthy.

Err.. out of touch with what? Do you expect a Queen hip hop album? Rap? Techno? What exactly did you expect from Queen + PR?

Holly2003 wrote:

Ken8 wrote:

kingogre wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: Freddies solo albums could have easily been Queen albums and in fact several of his solo songs are used as Queen songs. Freddie was the soul of Queen and the one who made them what they are, thats just a fact.

Mr Bad Guy, three good songs and a lot of embarrasing 80s gay disco. That album has aged A LOT.

Yes it has, by todays standards it's a relic of another era. The Cosmos Rocks is also a relic of another era, and it's brand new. Do these guys even know what's going on in the music scene anymore? Not only is it a mediocre effort, it's so out of touch it's cringeworthy.

Err.. out of touch with what? Do you expect a Queen hip hop album? Rap? Techno? What exactly did you expect from Queen + PR?

Ken8 wrote: [QUOTEIf in 2008 you have to ask, you explain why you're happy with a relic like The Cosmos Rocks. Instead of their unique, timeless sound, they now sound ancient in a way that their old catalogue mostly doesn't. And they certainly struggle to find a hook or a catchy melody like they used to toss off with ease.

Fastguitars wrote: Well, ive not heard the album.....seems im one of those long time early fans that prefers to think that Freddie was "Queen" and the other 3 just supported him after about the 3rd Album when he sort of totally took over the band....maybe u would disagree,but the fact is, after BoRap, "Queen" ceased to be about the band anymore, and frankly, that is acceptable, coz its Freddie's voice that was the centerpiece along with his persona.....Regarding this album?, well, it is offensive that 50% of the band calls themselves "Queen" while 100% of the point of the band is in the grave......Even John Deacon realizes this and was the first one to do the right thing....However, as Brian never felt that he was appreciated and still has that axe to grind, i guess that Rog will follow him to the grave or the next stage....whatever comes first......and oh yeah, the new album cant be any worse then Hot Space or Brian's 2nd Solo outing, however, its not a Queen album, and how do i know this?....Coz the real Queen is not singing for them anymore.

April wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: this album sounds more like paul rodgers feat brian may and roger taylor, has nothing to do with Queen whatsoever.

I think you wanted to say: Brian May and Roger Taylor feat Paul Rodgers..? If it's vice versa then it's still Queen.

Zebonka12 wrote: "We Believe" reminds me of John Farnham and "Call Me" reminds me of "Tommy Can You Hear Me?". Bleh.

Treasure Moment wrote: Freddies solo albums could have easily been Queen albums and in fact several of his solo songs are used as Queen songs. Freddie was the soul of Queen and the one who made them what they are, thats just a fact.

Fastguitars wrote: However, as Brian never felt that he was appreciated and still has that axe to grind, i guess that Rog will follow him to the grave or the next stage....whatever comes first...

gnomo wrote:

Fastguitars wrote: However, as Brian never felt that he was appreciated and still has that axe to grind, i guess that Rog will follow him to the grave or the next stage....whatever comes first...

... sorry for pointing out a minor factual inaccuracy, but it is ALLEGEDLY ROGER who insisted that they tour and record together again, and it took him a lot of time (and persistence and effort and luck) to convince Brian to extend the collaboration with Paul further than a few "one-off" live appearances... FWLIW

Oberon wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: Freddies solo albums could have easily been Queen albums and in fact several of his solo songs are used as Queen songs. Freddie was the soul of Queen and the one who made them what they are, thats just a fact.

I know you think Mr Bad Guy was fantastic, but I really don't. It's ok, but I don't remember it lighting up the world, or reading anything to that effect. Barcelona was a real achievement, but it doesn't really interest me as an album (but i am a rock fan really, so no surprise). the Queen re-works of FM and RT songs were interesting, but I wish they'd been b-sides or on a raities and not on MIH. I'd have preferred MIH to have been an EP of the "new material" But my point is that I don't really think the Mr Bad Guy and Barcelona can be held as evidence that Freddie was that major component in Queen. Obviously important, but I really think it was the combination of the four all acting as each other's quality control that made it work. I'm not denying that Freddie wrote many of their best songs - BoRhap, MOTBQ, STL etc, or that he might have been very instrumental in key songs like Radio Ga Ga, A Kind Of Magic etc, but I don't think he would have come up with those songs himself in the first place, not to mention SMGO, Innuendo, HTF, IWTBF, AOBTD etc. So I really don't think it holds up. As for Cosmos Rocks, I've only heard it once in 3 sittings, so can't comment yet really, but it's not too far from what I expected at the moment. I never expected it to be like "Queen". It's not going to be is it? A lot of water has gone under the bridge, and RT + BT on their own would'nt have been the same, so if you put PR in the mix, then it definitely won't be. I never expected it to be comparable to current trends (Queen never were anyway), so that isn't relevant (IMO). I'm sure I'll settle with it being around average/above av (weighed against all musical offerings, not against my biased perception of four musicians whose music I love) That's my POV anyway

April wrote: I absolutely agree that Freddie was a unique talent, an artist distinguished in everything, the soul and heart and driving force of Queen. But he's gone. Now we have a different band, accept the fact. I for one am happy that I can hear and see my favourite Brian and Roger again, they make an effort, they write songs. And, you know, the songs are not that bad, they are good, they are very good! They call themselves Queen? They have the right, they were Queen. Paul R. doesn't do it. So what's the fuss about? This is a new band: Queen+P.R. The question is whether you like it or not. So, do you like the band?

April wrote: I think they do want to change and are trying to find a new sound. Maybe make it bluesy. And if they changed their name from Queen would you accept them and like them more???

Zebonka12 wrote: "We Believe" reminds me of John Farnham and "Call Me" reminds me of "Tommy Can You Hear Me?". Bleh.

Treasure Moment wrote:

April wrote: I think they do want to change and are trying to find a new sound. Maybe make it bluesy. And if they changed their name from Queen would you accept them and like them more???

I wouldnt like them more but i would respect them alot more

Sir GH wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

April wrote: I think they do want to change and are trying to find a new sound. Maybe make it bluesy. And if they changed their name from Queen would you accept them and like them more???

I wouldnt like them more but i would respect them alot more

In case you missed the news, Queen + Paul Rodgers just played to 350,000 people a few nights ago. They're doing just fine without your respect.

Treasure Moment wrote: Freddies solo albums could have easily been Queen albums and in fact several of his solo songs are used as Queen songs. Freddie was the soul of Queen and the one who made them what they are, thats just a fact.

Celebration82 wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: Freddies solo albums could have easily been Queen albums and in fact several of his solo songs are used as Queen songs. Freddie was the soul of Queen and the one who made them what they are, thats just a fact.

I have to disagree. Queen were Freddie, Brian, Roger, and John; they all were equally important. Yes, they lost an integral part of the band when Freddie died, but a lot of really big Queen songs were written by the other members. I like the new album, but it's not Queen. There's only half of the band there (it would have been more Queen if John was involved), and Paul sort of directed the band away from their signature sound. It's more a solo Brian and Roger album with Paul involved than a new Queen album.

Treasure Moment wrote: you dont understand what im saying, i mean that though the others wrote songs it was freddies input that made them that good, his influence over the band. for example, radio gaga, its a kind of magic, one vision, he controlled everything, he was the soul of the band.

emrabt wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: you dont understand what im saying, i mean that though the others wrote songs it was freddies input that made them that good, his influence over the band. for example, radio gaga, its a kind of magic, one vision, he controlled everything, he was the soul of the band.

If Freddie's input was the only thing that made the songs good, explain the songs on Made in Heaven or No One but You. If anything this proves John Deacon was the one who kept the band producing to a high standard. In fact Queens general production quality has dropped since John left.

Treasure Moment wrote: whats there to explain, the material on made in heaven came from stuff freddie did before he died and they just put them together here and there, some songs are from freddies solo album. No one but you however is a great song that they did by themselves.

emrabt wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: whats there to explain, the material on made in heaven came from stuff freddie did before he died and they just put them together here and there, some songs are from freddies solo album. No one but you however is a great song that they did by themselves.

Thank you, you have just admited that Brian, Roger and John COULD make great queen sounding music without Freddie.

Treasure Moment wrote: haha i did? if making a WHOLE album based on stuff they made with freddie before he died and then put the pieces together here and there then yeah haha.

No one but you however is a great song that they did by themselves.

NO ONE BUT YOU however is A GREAT SONG that they did by themselves.

NO ONE BUT YOU HOWEVER IS A GREAT SONG THAT THEY DID BY THEMSELVES.

emrabt wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: haha i did? if making a WHOLE album based on stuff they made with freddie before he died and then put the pieces together here and there then yeah haha.

Treasure Moment wrote:

No one but you however is a great song that they did by themselves.

NO ONE BUT YOU however is A GREAT SONG that they did by themselves.

NO ONE BUT YOU HOWEVER IS A GREAT SONG THAT THEY DID BY THEMSELVES.

Yes you did

Treasure Moment wrote: thats a song, not a whole album

Treasure Moment wrote: you dont understand what im saying, i mean that though the others wrote songs it was freddies input that made them that good, his influence over the band. for example, radio gaga, its a kind of magic, one vision, he controlled everything, he was the soul of the band.

emrabt wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: thats a song, not a whole album

The album has nothing to do with it, our conversation never brought up an album. You admitted, in your own words, right here on this message board, that JOHN BRIAN AND ROGER made good music without Freddie, weather it's a song or and album is irrelevant. If you were talking about an album why bring this up:

Treasure Moment wrote: you dont understand what im saying, i mean that though the others wrote songs it was freddies input that made them that good, his influence over the band. for example, radio gaga, its a kind of magic, one vision, he controlled everything, he was the soul of the band.

This can’t be true because you admitted that No One But You is great, but how could it be great if Freddie controlled the band. You can't deny Freddie had NO INPUT INTO THAT SONG. Your logic is very flawed, it makes no sense.

Treasure Moment wrote: [QUOTE i think freddie made their songs 10 times better than without him. Of course they had great ideas and now and then could write a good song but nowhere near as many as freddie helped them with.

bathump wrote: Ps I know many people don't like the song Cosmos Rocking but it is one of the songs I could imagine Freddie singing very Headlong/Breakthru. Ta

Treasure Moment wrote: well ok, i never said they couldnt write songs, i told you before that i think freddie made their songs 10 times better than without him. Of course they had great ideas and now and then could write a good song but nowhere near as many as freddie helped them with. They are all talented, its just that freddie in on another level.

emrabt wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: well ok, i never said they couldnt write songs, i told you before that i think freddie made their songs 10 times better than without him. Of course they had great ideas and now and then could write a good song but nowhere near as many as freddie helped them with. They are all talented, its just that freddie in on another level.

Okay, you have gone from saying freddie is the reason all queens songs are fantastic, to saying the others had some good ideas. Just so you know: Heaven for everyone and too much love will kill you Had no Freddie input, apart from a vocal track. It's a beautiful day was just vocals and piano. Let me live was Freddie a piano and rod Stewart. That’s at least 4 songs from made in heaven that had no real input from Freddie, all the music was put together years after he died. This is a BIG chunk of made in heaven without Freddie, but how does it sound so good without him?

Treasure Moment wrote: its a beautiful day was JUST piano and vocals? its that basically the whole song? if freddie did the piano on let me live its basically his song isnt it? ive said it 100 times, they have talent but clearly not as freddie, listen to cosmos rocks.

if freddie did the piano on let me live its basically his song isnt it?

its a beautiful day was JUST piano and vocals?

listen to cosmos rocks

Treasure Moment wrote:

its a beautiful day was JUST piano and vocals? its that basically the whole song? if freddie did the piano on let me live its basically his song isnt it? ive said it 100 times, they have talent but clearly not as freddie, listen to cosmos rocks.

Once again you've been asked to 'put up or shut up' and you've chosen the latter.

emrabt wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: its a beautiful day was JUST piano and vocals? its that basically the whole song? if freddie did the piano on let me live its basically his song isnt it? ive said it 100 times, they have talent but clearly not as freddie, listen to cosmos rocks.

Okay im getting nowhere. You skip over bits of my post.

if freddie did the piano on let me live its basically his song isnt it?

No, a few lyrics and some piano does not make the song; the song was gospel with 3 more verses added to it when it finished. If I played a few bars on the piano, then someone came along and contributed to what I did, it would be collaboration. if they expanded it into something new then it would be there song.

its a beautiful day was JUST piano and vocals?

There was loads of those Synths you love, all over those two tracks, I bet Brian did that.

listen to cosmos rocks

For the last time, stop bringing up the cosmos rocks, this has nothing to do with our argument. It’s like me saying listen to “Love Is The Hero”. If we bring the cosmos rocks into it, then I say the lack of quality is because of the lack of John Deacon. Queen 1 right through to made in heaven (including no one but you) were very "queen" sounding, you admitted that. Now tell me who is the ONLY person missing between made in heaven and now? Freddie was a great singer, but he was an average composer of music; he hardly had any idea of how to express himself on the guitar, for example. (This in my opinion) I feel this really shows through on Mr Bad guy, don’t shout at me, it’s an opinion) This isn’t his fault; he was brought up playing the piano. It took to four of them, not just Freddie to make the albums.

yeah freddie was an average composer of music, he ONLY wrote the biggest song in the world which happenes to be very complex.

which happenes to be very complex

Holly2003 wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: [QUOTE i think freddie made their songs 10 times better than without him. Of course they had great ideas and now and then could write a good song but nowhere near as many as freddie helped them with.

Your repeat this to the point of tedium so let's have some proof. Start with Queen 1 and give me a number of examples from each album, where Freddie has taken an original idea from John, Brian and Roger and made it "10 times better".

emrabt wrote:

yeah freddie was an average composer of music, he ONLY wrote the biggest song in the world which happenes to be very complex.

The biggest song IN THE WORLD? where did you get that from. surely this disney owned song "HAppY Birthday to you" is more widely known?

which happenes to be very complex

no more complex than some of the beatles stuff, or maybe one of tim rices musicals. i said freddy was a pretty average composer, which in my opinion was true.

Treasure Moment wrote:

Sir GH wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

April wrote: I think they do want to change and are trying to find a new sound. Maybe make it bluesy. And if they changed their name from Queen would you accept them and like them more???

I wouldnt like them more but i would respect them alot more

In case you missed the news, Queen + Paul Rodgers just played to 350,000 people a few nights ago. They're doing just fine without your respect.

wow! they did? was it a free concert because i HIGHLY doubt that many people would PAY to see them.

though the others wrote songs it was freddies input that made them that good, his influence over the band. for example, radio gaga, its a kind of magic, one vision, he controlled everything, he was the soul of the band.

Treasure Moment wrote: you are silly, he was faaaar away from average, you think writing something like bohemian rhapsody is average?! haha the Beatles? they are amateurs, i heard 20 of their songs and they all sucked, over hyped amateurs.

Queen 1 right through to made in heaven (including no one but you) were very "queen" sounding, you admitted that. Now tell me who is the ONLY person missing between made in heaven (and no one but you)and now?

Bad Horsie wrote: FREDDIE AN AVERAGE COMPOSER?!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD?!?!?!?! Cheers, Hor

Bad Horsie wrote: FREDDIE AN AVERAGE COMPOSER?!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD?!?!?!?! Cheers, Hor

Ken8 wrote:

Bad Horsie wrote: FREDDIE AN AVERAGE COMPOSER?!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD?!?!?!?! Cheers, Hor

Because the sheep are so in awe of a very average piece of work, The Cosmos Rocks, their defence of it is to drag Fred down to that level of mediocrity. Yeah, Queen "fans" apparently. Pathetic and desperate, and will only get worse as the bad reviews continue as the album slides into oblivion and the current band becomes a laughing stock.

Ken8 wrote:

Bad Horsie wrote: FREDDIE AN AVERAGE COMPOSER?!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD?!?!?!?! Cheers, Hor

Because the sheep are so in awe of a very average piece of work, The Cosmos Rocks, their defence of it is to drag Fred down to that level of mediocrity. Yeah, Queen "fans" apparently. Pathetic and desperate, and will only get worse as the bad reviews continue as the album slides into oblivion and the current band becomes a laughing stock.

Sir GH wrote: They created album album that they wanted to create, and they don't need you to like it.

mike hunt wrote: the album makes hot space and the works sound like masterpieces.

emrabt wrote:

Ken8 wrote:

Bad Horsie wrote: FREDDIE AN AVERAGE COMPOSER?!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD?!?!?!?! Cheers, Hor

Because the sheep are so in awe of a very average piece of work, The Cosmos Rocks, their defence of it is to drag Fred down to that level of mediocrity. Yeah, Queen "fans" apparently. Pathetic and desperate, and will only get worse as the bad reviews continue as the album slides into oblivion and the current band becomes a laughing stock.

Hey, it was me who said "Freddie was a pretty average composer, COMPARED TO OTHER COMPOSERS OUT THERE. There are people who can arrange music better than him, he was not super human, for example he couldn't express himself on the guitar, he had to do it on the piano and Brian had to translate. It took 4 people to make queen. And it is my opinion, I stand by that, I’ve said it before too. This has nothing to do with people who like "the cosmos rocks." In fact several times during this Discussion with treasure moment I’ve told him to stop brining it up. Thinking about it composer probably isn't the right word, in fact i don't know the right word.

Now I would like to hear, compared to WHO is Freddie an average composer? Give me as many names as you can. Cheers, Hor

emrabt wrote:

Ken8 wrote:

Bad Horsie wrote: FREDDIE AN AVERAGE COMPOSER?!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD?!?!?!?! Cheers, Hor

Because the sheep are so in awe of a very average piece of work, The Cosmos Rocks, their defence of it is to drag Fred down to that level of mediocrity. Yeah, Queen "fans" apparently. Pathetic and desperate, and will only get worse as the bad reviews continue as the album slides into oblivion and the current band becomes a laughing stock.

Hey, it was me who said "Freddie was a pretty average composer, COMPARED TO OTHER COMPOSERS OUT THERE. There are people who can arrange music better than him, he was not super human, for example he couldn't express himself on the guitar, he had to do it on the piano and Brian had to translate. It took 4 people to make queen. And it is my opinion, I stand by that, I’ve said it before too. This has nothing to do with people who like "the cosmos rocks." In fact several times during this Discussion with treasure moment I’ve told him to stop brining it up. Thinking about it composer probably isn't the right word, in fact i don't know the right word.

emrabt wrote:

Now I would like to hear, compared to WHO is Freddie an average composer? Give me as many names as you can. Cheers, Hor

as i have said composer probably wasn't the right word, i can't think of the word i mean. but AGAIN, this list you asked for would just be my opinion, which you will take and argue against. You see neither of us can win, because we are both right, it's all opinion. where some people like complicated arangements ohters might like to keep things simple. For example: if I said Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim rice can make music which has both the heart and sole of what they are conveying, they can lift any scene with a few simple notes. You would come back and say something like “they suck”, see it’s opinion. Or I could say, I feel the Sherman Brothers are fantastic at displaying humour using only styles of music. You might not agree with it, but that doesn’t make it wrong, it just makes us have different opinions. Don't get me wrong, I think we all know that without Freddie smile would have died, Queen would never have become Queen, he Definitely made the band his own, with his style, but he WAS ONLY HUMAN. Without him we wouldn’t have had the 3 decades of the band we love. After all, in the seventies he had the gift of knowing what people wanted to hear, before “the people” knew. It still doesn't change my opinion, but does it matter? he made still fantastic music.

April wrote: Freddie was a great composer, a great singer, a great talent. By birth! When Tim first brought him to the college's hall to meet Smile, and Freddie sang a powerful energetic song and then improvised singing without words, Tim, Roger and Brian couldn't believe their ears, unable to speak, enchanted by his extraordinary abilities.

Bad Horsie wrote: Ok, if you're comparing composers and say it's a matter of taste, I should really take it as you don't know what you're talking about. Cheers, Hor

April wrote: I read that story in a series of articles called "Informal biographies" (don't remember the author, sorry!). The articles devoted to Freddie are called "Freddie Mercury - Want To Be a Legend". I also remember reading that Tim had pimples all over his face and very bad teeth, and when he smiled somebody from the audience always said: "Close your mouth, Tim!" Ha-ha! So the guys needed a face for the band. When they first saw Freddie, Brian later recalled, they, or rather he, thought: "What a handsome guy! I wish we had such a face in the group, all the girls would go mad..." Concerning Freddie is God statement, I didn't write it. What I wrote is: Freddie is a talent from God, a talent by birth. That's different, isn't it? And why not admire him? I will. and I do.

emrabt wrote:

Bad Horsie wrote: Ok, if you're comparing composers and say it's a matter of taste, I should really take it as you don't know what you're talking about. Cheers, Hor

This makes no sense, please go back and re-read my posts. I give up anyway, you win, Freddie IS god, you're right, you also can't grasp what an opinion IS, I’ve been telling you all along NO ONE is wrong and no one is right. Also no amount of comparing composers will prove ANYTHING. He could fly too, well, he could hover a few inches about the ground, he lost the ability to fly in the early 80's when he put on a bit of weight. But weight, he didn’t put on weight, sorry I was wrong about that too, how could your god put on weight.

April wrote: Singing without words, you know, it's like - la-la-la! I think I am good at it too, aren't I? But, emrabt, it's not good to be so sarcastic about Freddie. People do love him and it's painful to hear someone say rather ugly things about the one you love. Especially it is strange to hear such things from Queen fans themselves.

drwinston wrote:

April wrote: Freddie was a great composer, a great singer, a great talent. By birth! When Tim first brought him to the college's hall to meet Smile, and Freddie sang a powerful energetic song and then improvised singing without words, Tim, Roger and Brian couldn't believe their ears, unable to speak, enchanted by his extraordinary abilities.

Where exactly did you hear this story?

emrabt wrote:

April wrote: Singing without words, you know, it's like - la-la-la! I think I am good at it too, aren't I? But, emrabt, it's not good to be so sarcastic about Freddie. People do love him and it's painful to hear someone say rather ugly things about the one you love. Especially it is strange to hear such things from Queen fans themselves.

Hey April, welcome to queenzone i don't think i've met you before. I wasn't being sarcastic, there are people on this message board who really believe Freddie Mercury IS GOD. I don't mind that. What I HATE is when people slam down their opinions as fact, try and convert you to there weird Freddie religion. And if you say anything about Paul Rodgers (if it's good the haters get you, if it's bad then the likers get you) or an opinion about Freddie they shout at you for it. It doesn't have to be anything bad about Freddie either; it could be "Freddie worked day and night all through his early school years learning the piano." They will come and tell you “YOU ARE WRONG, FREDDIE IS GOD BLAH BLAH whole new level." I hate to sound like I’m getting old but when I joined this forum it was full of people who at listened to your opinion, corrected you when you were wrong and helped you when you asked for help. There were some really GREAT conversations, but now many of the oldies have stopped posting because of the Idiots, and we get thread after thread of bashing. The new rules of the forum according to these people (if you post against them, you get the CR*p bashed out of you: 1)PAUL RODGERS IS THE DEVIL 2)FREDDIE IS GOD, HE WAS PERFECT he was born perfect, he never worked his way up, no one could sing better, make better music or live longer. He never made mistakes, he never drank or smoked ETC. 3)BRIAN AND ROGER ARE BAD FOR DOING WHAT THEY LOVE AND GOING ON TOUR 4) NO ONE MATCHES FREDDIE 5) except Treasure moment 6) every week you must try and get around the NO OFFICAL MATERIAL RULE by posting some 7) If asked about John is good, but didn’t do anything to help Freddie and the rest of the band. And I am not the only person who thinks this, there are some great people of the past who never post anymore. This board has become a parody of its former self, it really has. i bet any money you like treasure moment or bad horsie will answer this with "pathetic" or "you can't face the truth"

Yara wrote: When I first came here, there was nothing BUT aggression, and much of it by the oldies. So, please, just let it go and avoid creating another fake controversy which will generate hundreds of useless messages. Cheers.

Treasure Moment wrote: this album sounds more like paul rodgers feat brian may and roger taylor, has nothing to do with Queen whatsoever.

Zebonka12 wrote:

drwinston wrote:

April wrote: Freddie was a great composer, a great singer, a great talent. By birth! When Tim first brought him to the college's hall to meet Smile, and Freddie sang a powerful energetic song and then improvised singing without words, Tim, Roger and Brian couldn't believe their ears, unable to speak, enchanted by his extraordinary abilities.

Where exactly did you hear this story?

Don't be so gullible, that never happened. When Brian and Roger met Freddie he was all ego, and really more of a shouter/screecher than a singer.

Zebonka12 wrote: I dunno. My version comes from Brian and Roger... not everyone around here trusts those guys memories :P I think that Brian's anecdote of them not being sure if 'this guy can really sing or not' is reliable though, when you listen to the Ibex tapes. As a rock singer he had a long, long way to go back then.